Coch, you are a classic! I really enjoy your presentations and your style. Thanks for doing these, they're great, and filled with some really helpful info. And these compliments are coming from an old grunt...
This video brings back an old memory from the nineties. I met Chief Petty Officer Jim "Patches" Watson (retired) at the UDT/SEAL museum summer 1994. Met Watson at the museum at Fort Pierce, FL. Watson had just published an book about himself and his experiences in the old UDT and the original SEAL TEAM 2. Watson wrote in his book he carried one of those old school pump shotguns as a point man for SEAL TEAM 2 in the Mekong Delta. If I remember it was an Ithaca 37. Watson autographed a SEAL book I bought at the museum and called me "hoss" Short for horse.
it’s curious how the trench gun that scared the crup out of the jerries in the great war evolved into mostly a mere door opener in the gwot. it would be interesting to know how much the mossberg 590a1 got used in iraq & ‘ganistan and whether it was used for more than breeching . . . good episode!
Probably due to the advancement of other weapon systems. At the time all they had where bolt action 20in rifles with 8in bayonets on the ends of them. Trying to use that against a a pissed off 17yr old marine in a 5 food wide trench was enough to soil yourself. Now days we stepped off trench warfare for the most part (excluding Ukraine) Such as Afghanistan where we’re taking pop shots from 500m + the shot gun is useless. Unless you’re clearing a house, a cave, or being a tunnel rat. That’s probably where the shot gun died out as major scale tipper.
I often wonder this myself. Seeing as how it’s not exactly a standard issue piece of kit I’ve never seen casualty statistics about shotguns like you do for the infantry rifle, squad MG, and even sidearms. I’m sure that seeing as how they were definitely carried and used by some in the GWoT and given the amount of urban combat that was seen in some cities in Iraq; I would imagine it definitely has a body count. During the Battle of Fallujah, some marines were issued and equipped with shotguns. I don’t know if they also had a rifle or if the shotgun was the primary combat weapon for them but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was a primary weapon seeing as how the marines were issuing Benelli M4’s with full length stocks which aren’t really necessary if it’s strictly a breaching device.
I’m a little long in the tooth and have been retired for a while. No military service. Was a career LEO started as a rookie, retired as an administrator for a large agency. During my 28+ years as an LEO, several of which were as a weapons instructor I put a substantial amount of lead through the pump guns. IMHO the fighting shotgun was one of the best firearms we had. It’s effective range was perfect for LE purposes being from 0 to over 100 yards in trained hands and the variety of special application loads for it was substantial. Most of my experience was with the Remington but also the 590A1 and the Howa 3000 under various brand names. I trust and personally own all three. God bless!
I was USAF EST late 70s to mid 80s. We had either full stock Winchester M12s or Remington 870s with folding stocks and pistol grips. We pulled info and tactics from as many operators of all branches as we could as we were pretty much writing our book as we went along then. Got our door breaching technique from you all. Thanks for the share!
I always enjoy seeing the weapons you used. The one you started with and the others you went to. Hey we appreciate it. A retired police officer here. Thanks!
Great video Coch. We should have more videos on practical weapons like these as there are lots of fans/viewers from more than 70 countries where the use of semi auto rifles are prohibited thus cannot relate. I live in Canada and for almost 4 years, semi auto rifles like the AR platforms are damned here by politicians. We can only bet with our lives with the use of bolt rifles and scatterguns, even handguns cannot be bought here due to the freeze on sales. Good for you guys as only in the USA where you can choose whatever weapons you prefer. So in view of these things we hope you can post more and educate viewers with civilian weapons that are more generally and politically acceptable worldwide. More power with Tactical Hyve Coch!
No nonsense, real world practical. Really enjoy the content and TBH, made me run through home defense scenarios picturing multiple pellets spreading out. In explaining to my wife how a shotgun works made me completely agree with Mr. Coch and putting the shotgun in tertiary place for home defense. Smart simple logical. Thank you.
Shotguns have really fallen out of favor for home defense with the popularity of shorty AR’s but they’re still a viable option. My dad, for example, isn’t an AR guy but he’s been shooting shotguns for decades. When helping him get setup for defense, we went with a 20 gauge 870 youth model. It’s light and handy with plenty of power to get the job done.
That martini shotgun paired with some 12g brass shellsa and pocket full of primers would be a pretty slick set up for the survivalist. Thanks for another video interesting as always.
You have to respect the versatility of the shotgun. I chose one for home defense along with my 9mm sidearm. I load it with 4-0 buck ammo that is filled with .25 caliber shot. It avoids the possibility of over penetration, not that I have that problem.
The more and more I get into setting up my at-home 'go to' defensive stuff, the more and more I like my shotgun for this role. I'm alone now so I don't have to worry about friendlies but I DO want to immediately STOP any and all baddies from potentially mussing up my hair or my face as I'm very delicate!
I live in a rural area on 12 acres and my Glock and my 870 would be go to guns for home defense. It depends on where you live and what you are most familiar with. I have the most time with a Glock and a shotgun and I like my ARs and AK platforms but nowhere near as much practice/training with them. I am intrigued by your 9mm AR pistol. I will have to save a few bucks and get one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I have an oddball shotty that I love. It's a Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck with a solid rib barrel. Someone cut it down to 18 inches. So now it's basically a Riot format of that model, but instead of 2 3/4s it's now 3 inch capable and can slamfire also. It can also eat mini shells just fine. It's also now open bore as a dime can slip in it's barrel. So to me it's the Cadillac of pumps. Just hold down the trigger and pump away. Closest thing to a fully auto pump there is lol. I love the old war shottys. I aspire to one day get a flaming bomb trench model. A man can dream!
I got two shotguns. A Stevens 320 pump with a few upgrades and the Beretta 1301. I basically watched Garand Thumb and put that one together. Kind of the cheapest 12 ga vs the high range job. You guys should get together and do some range time or plus up subs.
I used my "Stimulus" money to purchase the Beretta 1301LTT Gen2. (Thx libs) and absolutely love it. Weight, balance, length, cyclical rate, and recoil are sweet. Oh, and it's a Beretta.
Coch is like the definition of "speak softly and carry a big stick". Tons of personality and charisma, but if your on a bad guy list and he's on the other side of the door, you better make your peace with whatever god you pray to!
I run a Taurus judge for home defense but loaded with federal handgun buckshot. Tight pattern at 10 yards and not enough power to go through walls and be lethal. HOWEVER, gel tests show it's easily lethal without walls to go through. Each pellet does 14 inches, not to mention its accurate in my testing easily manageable, and reliable. Cylinder dumps at 7 yards I can hit everything in a 10-inch target. Kinda the opposite of what I thought I would run, but I like having a free hand to fight. Multiple deadly wounds per trigger pull are unique in a handgun. It's essentially a firing squad of 32 auto rounds per shot. The judge gets hate, but 99% of the people I talk to have never run federal handgun shells. Those are the only ones that make the platform viable, but its VERY viable in that case. Lehigh makes a special round to that creates a 2 inch wide wound cavity and it only works in the judge because of the long cylinder gave the engineers more room to add super long pedals.
12 gauge pump with slugs rather than shot is better my opinion for hitting hard and reduce the collateral, I’m a novice but been using a 12 pump for forty years here in Canada, Govt doesn’t seem to be blacklisting these yet.
I feel like a fanboy but blimey did it hit hard not only hearing you comment on the reliability of the Benelli M4 but also seeing it FTE :( Love the content, as always.
I was kinda thinking the same doesnt the m4 have adjustable gas? semi autos are notoriously ammo picky. the benelli M3 has you covered on both ends tho.
Benelli M2 Field is what I shoot in the field the Inertia Driven system is really reliable seems to kick a tad more than a 1100 because of the mechanics of the system . Enjoy the channel found it surfing You Tube on the TV I like the content. I always like the WW-1 story of GI with a pump shot gun designed by Browning clearing a trench system the Germans wanted it declared illegal while they were gassing huge swaths of a battlefield .
Coch I really enjoy your videos , getting all this from the real deal guy what an honor , and having fun while learning . Can't thank you enough , subscription added , b c n u soon 🤠
Shotguns are like drinking water, it tastes great when you want water and it's disappointing when you want beer. Either way, you stay hydrated and alive.
Love my Mossberg 500 and Ithaca 37. However the Turks have been flooding the market with cheap 12 gauges. Autos and pumps. Bought a few and have been very happy with their performance
I'd be more concerned about over-penetration with a rifle (I assume you mean an AR, not a Ruger 10/22) than with a shotgun, because with a shotgun the pellets will be travelling at a much lower velocity.
Slugs or birdshot? Funny… all the keyboard commandos say you “need” specialized breaching rounds. I always remained silent. I’m sorry but my experience of shooting random inanimate objects with various 12ga loadings tells me that birdshot or slugs will blow a door lock or hinge out just fine.
Shotguns (contrary to Biden's recommendation) isn't good for home defense unless you've got a lotvof training with it, know what and when you're shooting and are accountable, etc., etc. like the man says. That said... That's why I like my M3 convertible, best of both worlds. ;) Speed with semi-auto and function with light/non lethal loads and malfunctions. I know people who use 870s because "That's what the military has" and want to stay consistent but, their preference and mine would be the Mossberg 590a1. Not many M3s around and expensive when there are but the function and reliability of the 590 is superior and they even passed the military torture test. Configurable however you need, great stuff. 👍
greetings from Southern California sir. do you have any opinion on mag fed shotguns. I know it's kind of niche but I do like having 10 rounds on tap(mossberg 590M🖤🌈). ty for all your knowledge from your 2A supporting leftist friend #noinfringement #gunsRtools
Always enjoy Coch’s no nonsense straight up videos
Coch, you are a classic! I really enjoy your presentations and your style. Thanks for doing these, they're great, and filled with some really helpful info. And these compliments are coming from an old grunt...
I’m ex Navy Reserve 9.5 years
Thank you for everything you do and for showing us the basic. 🙏🙏🙏
This video brings back an old memory from the nineties. I met Chief Petty Officer Jim "Patches" Watson (retired) at the UDT/SEAL museum summer 1994. Met Watson at the museum at Fort Pierce, FL. Watson had just published an book about himself and his experiences in the old UDT and the original SEAL TEAM 2. Watson wrote in his book he carried one of those old school pump shotguns as a point man for SEAL TEAM 2 in the Mekong Delta. If I remember it was an Ithaca 37. Watson autographed a SEAL book I bought at the museum and called me "hoss" Short for horse.
it’s curious how the trench gun that scared the crup out of the jerries in the great war evolved into mostly a mere door opener in the gwot. it would be interesting to know how much the mossberg 590a1 got used in iraq & ‘ganistan and whether it was used for more than breeching . . . good episode!
I know a few guys that carried tricked out 870s early in OIR. Yes they were lead breathers but the shoty was their primary weapon. Thx for posting
Probably due to the advancement of other weapon systems.
At the time all they had where bolt action 20in rifles with 8in bayonets on the ends of them.
Trying to use that against a a pissed off 17yr old marine in a 5 food wide trench was enough to soil yourself.
Now days we stepped off trench warfare for the most part (excluding Ukraine)
Such as Afghanistan where we’re taking pop shots from 500m + the shot gun is useless.
Unless you’re clearing a house, a cave, or being a tunnel rat.
That’s probably where the shot gun died out as major scale tipper.
No bro they leveled it up on the trench map until it had a door damage attatchment
I often wonder this myself. Seeing as how it’s not exactly a standard issue piece of kit I’ve never seen casualty statistics about shotguns like you do for the infantry rifle, squad MG, and even sidearms. I’m sure that seeing as how they were definitely carried and used by some in the GWoT and given the amount of urban combat that was seen in some cities in Iraq; I would imagine it definitely has a body count. During the Battle of Fallujah, some marines were issued and equipped with shotguns. I don’t know if they also had a rifle or if the shotgun was the primary combat weapon for them but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was a primary weapon seeing as how the marines were issuing Benelli M4’s with full length stocks which aren’t really necessary if it’s strictly a breaching device.
Semi Auto platforms and lighter sub guns and short ARs
I’m a little long in the tooth and have been retired for a while. No military service. Was a career LEO started as a rookie, retired as an administrator for a large agency. During my 28+ years as an LEO, several of which were as a weapons instructor I put a substantial amount of lead through the pump guns. IMHO the fighting shotgun was one of the best firearms we had. It’s effective range was perfect for LE purposes being from 0 to over 100 yards in trained hands and the variety of special application loads for it was substantial. Most of my experience was with the Remington but also the 590A1 and the Howa 3000 under various brand names. I trust and personally own all three.
God bless!
Every time I see one of "Coch's" videos, I always end with a smile on my face. He's so nonchalant, off the cuff.
The tango down stubby is iconic!!! Cool little piece of history, thanks for sharing!
I bought a mossberg 500A in Virginia Beach when stationed there back in the 90’s that thing is still a workhorse
Love my 870, 18-1/4" bbl slug,00buck home watch gun.
I was USAF EST late 70s to mid 80s. We had either full stock Winchester M12s or Remington 870s with folding stocks and pistol grips. We pulled info and tactics from as many operators of all branches as we could as we were pretty much writing our book as we went along then. Got our door breaching technique from you all. Thanks for the share!
Coch is such a good person he enjoys sharing anything and everything with us and for that I am grateful thank you for the content
You should grab a shockwave 870 for your stubby. 14" barrel is pretty handy.
That trapdoor is so cool! dang... id totally rock that on a range day above the others.
Been enjoying your work. A real hidden gem I'm glad I stumbled upon 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video Coch. Appreciate it.
I always enjoy seeing the weapons you used. The one you started with and the others you went to. Hey we appreciate it. A retired police officer here. Thanks!
Great video Coch. We should have more videos on practical weapons like these as there are lots of fans/viewers from more than 70 countries where the use of semi auto rifles are prohibited thus cannot relate. I live in Canada and for almost 4 years, semi auto rifles like the AR platforms are damned here by politicians. We can only bet with our lives with the use of bolt rifles and scatterguns, even handguns cannot be bought here due to the freeze on sales. Good for you guys as only in the USA where you can choose whatever weapons you prefer. So in view of these things we hope you can post more and educate viewers with civilian weapons that are more generally and politically acceptable worldwide. More power with Tactical Hyve Coch!
No nonsense, real world practical. Really enjoy the content and TBH, made me run through home defense scenarios picturing multiple pellets spreading out. In explaining to my wife how a shotgun works made me completely agree with Mr. Coch and putting the shotgun in tertiary place for home defense. Smart simple logical. Thank you.
That’s a nice shotgun spread you got there.
Great insights and experience-based info. I worked at Dam Neck 98-02'. Swam a ton at night in the base pool. Maybe we shared a lane.
I love the 1897 trench gun. That’s my dream shotgun. Original of course w/ bayonet.
Shotguns have really fallen out of favor for home defense with the popularity of shorty AR’s but they’re still a viable option. My dad, for example, isn’t an AR guy but he’s been shooting shotguns for decades. When helping him get setup for defense, we went with a 20 gauge 870 youth model. It’s light and handy with plenty of power to get the job done.
I love the excitement. Shotguns are always good fun.
Another great video thanks so much keep up the good work
I bought a Mossberg shockwave 14.5in barrel. And put in my form 1 and now it's a SBS love it. Getting some ghost ring sights for sure.
That martini shotgun paired with some 12g brass shellsa and pocket full of primers would be a pretty slick set up for the survivalist.
Thanks for another video interesting as always.
You have to respect the versatility of the shotgun. I chose one for home defense along with my 9mm sidearm. I load it with 4-0 buck ammo that is filled with .25 caliber shot. It avoids the possibility of over penetration, not that I have that problem.
The more and more I get into setting up my at-home 'go to' defensive stuff, the more and more I like my shotgun for this role. I'm alone now so I don't have to worry about friendlies but I DO want to immediately STOP any and all baddies from potentially mussing up my hair or my face as I'm very delicate!
Awesome video. Thank you!
Right on.
Luv your presentations. Keep it up
Thanks for another great video
Thank you for joining me for my morning coffee.
Thank you for sharing and have a nice day Sir.
Now you're giving me a complex about watching it on the toilet
I live in a rural area on 12 acres and my Glock and my 870 would be go to guns for home defense. It depends on where you live and what you are most familiar with. I have the most time with a Glock and a shotgun and I like my ARs and AK platforms but nowhere near as much practice/training with them. I am intrigued by your 9mm AR pistol. I will have to save a few bucks and get one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Excellent and Outstanding!!!!
I have an oddball shotty that I love. It's a Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck with a solid rib barrel. Someone cut it down to 18 inches. So now it's basically a Riot format of that model, but instead of 2 3/4s it's now 3 inch capable and can slamfire also. It can also eat mini shells just fine. It's also now open bore as a dime can slip in it's barrel. So to me it's the Cadillac of pumps. Just hold down the trigger and pump away. Closest thing to a fully auto pump there is lol. I love the old war shottys. I aspire to one day get a flaming bomb trench model. A man can dream!
He had input on the stubby grip that’s pretty awesome
Seems like the basic at 870 is the best all around. Enjoyed this thoroughly.
I got two shotguns. A Stevens 320 pump with a few upgrades and the Beretta 1301. I basically watched Garand Thumb and put that one together. Kind of the cheapest 12 ga vs the high range job. You guys should get together and do some range time or plus up subs.
I used my "Stimulus" money to purchase the Beretta 1301LTT Gen2. (Thx libs) and absolutely love it. Weight, balance, length, cyclical rate, and recoil are sweet. Oh, and it's a Beretta.
cant get enough of coch
Glad I found this channel, Liked and Subed
Great history and context. Love the truth being shared.
Love the Martini!
I was a general contractor at them neck 04-05-06 we were the guys who cut y'all grass!
Coch is like the definition of "speak softly and carry a big stick". Tons of personality and charisma, but if your on a bad guy list and he's on the other side of the door, you better make your peace with whatever god you pray to!
Shotguns are an enigma for a lot of people.
I still love the hell out of them.
For my situation, I still use one as a primary home defense tool.
I run a Taurus judge for home defense but loaded with federal handgun buckshot. Tight pattern at 10 yards and not enough power to go through walls and be lethal. HOWEVER, gel tests show it's easily lethal without walls to go through. Each pellet does 14 inches, not to mention its accurate in my testing easily manageable, and reliable. Cylinder dumps at 7 yards I can hit everything in a 10-inch target. Kinda the opposite of what I thought I would run, but I like having a free hand to fight. Multiple deadly wounds per trigger pull are unique in a handgun. It's essentially a firing squad of 32 auto rounds per shot. The judge gets hate, but 99% of the people I talk to have never run federal handgun shells. Those are the only ones that make the platform viable, but its VERY viable in that case. Lehigh makes a special round to that creates a 2 inch wide wound cavity and it only works in the judge because of the long cylinder gave the engineers more room to add super long pedals.
Nice Video, thanks for that!
What do you think about Benelli M3 convertable Shotgun? Pump semi auto? Greets from Germany
12 gauge pump with slugs rather than shot is better my opinion for hitting hard and reduce the collateral, I’m a novice but been using a 12 pump for forty years here in Canada, Govt doesn’t seem to be blacklisting these yet.
Shooting things REALLY REALLY CLOSE..I like what you did there.
I feel like a fanboy but blimey did it hit hard not only hearing you comment on the reliability of the Benelli M4 but also seeing it FTE :( Love the content, as always.
I was kinda thinking the same doesnt the m4 have adjustable gas? semi autos are notoriously ammo picky. the benelli M3 has you covered on both ends tho.
Love ya Coch ur videos are awesome sir!!!
M4 Benelli considered by many to be one of the best shotguns, used by the Corps. Any opinion on it?
Another good one Mark. How many shotguns do you own?
I ma in Italy and we love shotgun too. And here we have really a tons of parallel and overunder double barrel. For almost 50 dollar
Got a curious question. Could you show a photo or a diagram of your shotgun and bungi cord.
Yes please! I second this request!
Benelli M2 Field is what I shoot in the field the Inertia Driven system is really reliable seems to kick a tad more than a 1100 because of the mechanics of the system .
Enjoy the channel found it surfing You Tube on the TV I like the content.
I always like the WW-1 story of GI with a pump shot gun designed by Browning clearing a trench system the Germans wanted it declared illegal while they were gassing huge swaths of a battlefield .
Man you translate well to civilians
Hope to take a class from you
I miss my 870 mag. First gun I ever owned or sold.
Thx Coch :)
Did you carry only one type of shoot or did you mix on your belt for different applications in the field?
Did the Benelli M4 have reliability problems in the field? I thought it had a pretty good reputation
I love these videos so much more without that other guy. Good stuff man
Coch I really enjoy your videos , getting all this from the real deal guy what an honor , and having fun while learning . Can't thank you enough , subscription added , b c n u soon 🤠
Thoughts on the Mossburg 590A1?
9:12 I agree with Coch about how shotgun pellet spray is too random in their trajectory for a home defense gun.
Hey, coch. What would you recommend. A keltech KSG or a Mossberg 590?
What is your thoughts on mag fed 12 gauge?
What happened with the Failure to Extract at 4:12 with the 1187? Low brass?
Turns out all I had to do was watch more of the video LOL, sorry for bring "that guy."
When I was in Vietnam, we used beehive shell, do USA military still used beehives shell.?
Good video
Hey Coch, what is that iron site set on the first Remington 870? Been looking for something like that on mine.
Ghost ring type sights. No brand markings. Probably Remington
Shotguns are like drinking water, it tastes great when you want water and it's disappointing when you want beer. Either way, you stay hydrated and alive.
I got to know, the left arm three watches?
Love my Mossberg 500 and Ithaca 37. However the Turks have been flooding the market with cheap 12 gauges. Autos and pumps. Bought a few and have been very happy with their performance
What is your opinion on bulldog shotguns?
I love how he just kinda wanted to show off his Martini. (It is cool)
You are running around with a 10-in shotgun with a pistol grip just hanging on your back, your badass
4th one from the sas early days
870 is the best of the best! for the price!!!
Neat!
No mossbergs ?
I'd be more concerned about over-penetration with a rifle (I assume you mean an AR, not a Ruger 10/22) than with a shotgun, because with a shotgun the pellets will be travelling at a much lower velocity.
How many of you started looking up shorty shotguns by the end of this video?
*stares at hacksaw sweating profusely*
Lol shockwaves have been pretty popular the last 6 or 7 years.
Air Force guy: "Is that a .410?"
Slugs or birdshot? Funny… all the keyboard commandos say you “need” specialized breaching rounds. I always remained silent. I’m sorry but my experience of shooting random inanimate objects with various 12ga loadings tells me that birdshot or slugs will blow a door lock or hinge out just fine.
Shotguns (contrary to Biden's recommendation) isn't good for home defense unless you've got a lotvof training with it, know what and when you're shooting and are accountable, etc., etc. like the man says. That said...
That's why I like my M3 convertible, best of both worlds. ;) Speed with semi-auto and function with light/non lethal loads and malfunctions.
I know people who use 870s because "That's what the military has" and want to stay consistent but, their preference and mine would be the Mossberg 590a1. Not many M3s around and expensive when there are but the function and reliability of the 590 is superior and they even passed the military torture test. Configurable however you need, great stuff. 👍
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greetings from Southern California sir. do you have any opinion on mag fed shotguns. I know it's kind of niche but I do like having 10 rounds on tap(mossberg 590M🖤🌈). ty for all your knowledge
from your 2A supporting leftist friend #noinfringement #gunsRtools