This is BS the Pak Fa T-50 was called a cheap piece of junk by the countries who were ready to buy the plane until they saw it was cheaply made and completely inferior to the F-22. India,Pakistan,Syria and Iran were extremely disappointed in the construction and performance of the aircraft.
Americans are so fond of this site, poor sore losers! They can't stil digest the fiasco of their retired fighters F117, F22 and F35. It's because the usa are the cash cow of a gang of banksters that own large corporations and politicians they finance. American taxpayers live and work to make them more and more powerful. Since the robbery of world gold trustly deposited in Fort Knox, the world is dragged into the support American economy just to give some value to those papers called US $. By the time you wake up, it will be too late for you. Our Messerschmitt were by far better than your planes, just you could launch hundreds of fighters to make ours run out of ammunition. Behold, our former enemy, Russia, is taking revenge on you!
LOL, sore losers?? what was lost here? Putin always tells the truth, just ask the Ukrainians.... Heck an FA-18 on auto-pilot could take this beast out ...
chris gange In any case, the blow against the F-22 is a substantial step. Gates has been publicly inveighing against the fighter for more than a year, calling it a Cold War relic, noting that it hasn't been used in any of the wars we've fought lately, and noting that our current stock-187 F-22s, which have cost $60 billion to develop, build, and maintain to date-is more than adequate to handle the extremely narrow and unlikely range of threats for which they might be suitable in the future.
I'm actually quite impressed with Putin. His stance on immigration and effectively combating extremism is worthy of praise. He's done a really good job of creating peace in a once chaotic nation. He's proud of his military and stands behind them 100%. I like him. But there remains a fact that you simply cannot overlook. And that is the wasted remains of Cold War era military hardware. In the total and utter decimation of the USSR came an idea that the population deserves better. Putin understands this better than most and he will never show weakness in military might because he wants everyone to believe and feel the same as he does. I'm not going to tell you that the T-50 is any less of a jet than the F-22. You can do the homework for yourself. It's going to be hard to do because Raptor is already bypassing radar and nobody even knows it. (-; T-50 and J-20 are gen 4.5. They are a close gamble, they fly terrific, but they are not the cutting edge of technology at this time. The whole "red flag" operation and the so called "fails" of F-22 are a ruse. You were looking at tuned down jets flown by great pilots. Why should a country unveil their latest tech, completely eradicate opposition and walk away like they own anybody? It is not good for foreign relations. Don't be fooled. F-22 is not a "dogfighter". Air Superiority can only be achieved by stealth. The type of stealth that gen 4.5 jets don't have.
OORAH!! SLAVA ROSSIJA! PAK FA, took less time to build than F-22 and F-35 and now that all the propaganda bullshit curtain has fallen we see that F-22 and F-35 do not even WORK LOL!!! yet the PAK FA, like all new things made by Russia is a brilliantly engineered and designed aircraft which the americans can only dream that they had!
Yep and you're probably shaving with what used to be a "brilliantly engineered" T80 RUSSIAN tank that got smashed by an M1 in Iraq. And all those "brilliantly engineered" Russian air defense systems that Isreal spoofs anytime they like WITH NON STEALTH AIRCRAFT. The ones that Russia has to send a team to try to find out what went wrong this time. Russian junk always gets destroyed in the opening minutes of any conflict with western weapons.
james street well i'm very sorry that you can't see the beauty even in terrible things like weapons of war... there are some which are shockingly simple, others which are much much more complex; however, what they have in common are extremely brilliant designers and engineers. i don't think you were being purposely misleading but what you said about Russian (or even old Soviet) inventions and equipment designs is simply inaccurate - i don't mean to sound like a jerk in saying that so i apologize....
Kristjen Štjuprić When did Russian go from engineering and designing things like the Kursk and Chernobly reactors to designing "brilliant" or even satisfactory things? Last I checked their civil aircraft crash into mountains, their cars are pieces of shit and their country is run by a closet case homophobe
I don't understand the point of this video. We see the T-50 flying sround, some stills of it and stills of the development bureau. How does this mean, as the title of the video states, that the "T-50 is better than the F-22", which it may well be? Show me a fly-off between the two please. I'm no great fan of all the bluster that's been put out by our aerospace teams regarding the F-22 and F-35 but give us more to work with than just this. A couple of points I noticed is that the F-50 is HUGE and therefore there won't be a variant that will be carrier based, unlike the F-22/F-35 and the turkey tail engine exhausts certainly don't make for a stealthy craft. However flawed the F-22 and F-35 might be I look forward to their first engagement with a Russian patron state flying something like the T-50 since stealth engineering and first sight, first kill is the issue here.
TyphoonUSSR Dude, English is the third most commonly spoken language in the world. Why would I learn a bunch of Cyrillic gibberish which is only the eighth most commonly spoken language? Get used to it, the Internet was invented by the english speaking United States. If you want to taken seriously on the 'net you need to meet on common ground.
you need to pray that it fail because since you think it's a copy... what if it's a better copy... then you look worst than shit with a comment like that. your f22 is CANCELLED.. just remember that...
Mike Miller drones?? you mean hackable drones?? like the hackable ships that America tested? the F22 got cancelled because there were numerous flaws that were sited even 10 years prior to it's cancellation date... I watch numerous congressional hearings on it.. don't try that... you really think drones could stand up to L,S band radars that could see them? even though drones are a real breakthrough manned aircrafts would still be necessary.. and oh well ... other countries are developing drones too... so what's your point.
Mike Miller you're just trying to over-glorify DARPA.... I've seen the drones... they look sophisticated and all... but to blow this out of the water as if it's tried and proven is just as the f22/f35 was rated as technology that would never be seen by other countries for the next 20-30 years. and to add to that India is developing drones also... Russia also .. the SKAT manta ray... so is China... so let's just all wait and see.
f22 has already been in production for years even before russian and chinese begun developing their own 5th gen fighters. How does anyone would think that upgrades and development of f22 had stopped after they went to production. For engineers, developing their craft never stop. they only stop when they begin developing a new plane like the 6th gen.
Hahaha, come on, Putin also thinks the Lada is better than the Cadillac! They have no idea what the F-22 is capable of because it's never been able to show it in an airshow.
zack zac first prove it.... second even if they were, it wouldn't matter because the radar has to know they are there first...... and it wouldn't because f22s and f35s are invisible to radar.......
So I don't know where u got your info from but, it has 2 internal bays which can carry 4 missiles each, making it 8 missiles, and like the F-22 it has 2 auxiliary bays for 2 SRAAMS. 8 missiles are the standard configuration for all the aircraft in the world, so if u can give me a link that says it has 4 missiles for Pak-Fa. Do tell what you have studied??
One Pretty Muthafucka Than you didn't bother to do any research. www.janes.com/article/42765/indian-air-force-unhappy-at-progress-of-pak-fa-fifth-gen-fighter www.defenceaviation.com/2014/01/indian-air-force-not-happy-with-sukhoi-t-50pak-fafgfa.html As I said before...........garbage!
Citizenfitz hasn't even got vectored thrusting so its no match for latest f16 let alone anything else, twin engines mean very short cruising range, fit fuel tanks to it it aint stealthy any more very poor attempt at aircraft design and I say this for the 1980`s not 2015
Citizenfitz it came from the fact when designs plans are stolen the technical details are not known or understood thus when the copy is flown its a fail welcome to Russian and Chinese tech
lmafo, if the PAK is better than American aircraft tech why isn't replacing the current aircraft as they still use 1940`s tech , but you keep on believing that trash the polit bureau is feeding you
I question this aircraft's capabilities. The aircraft clearly has no RAM and relies on shape for stealth. This is identifiable by the panel screws and panel lines. It is about 35% bigger than an F-22 (no small feat) and I would put an F-22 up against this any day of the week. Regarding the F-35, the F-35 would probably be outmatched unless it can get a first look first shoot. Regarding Australia, you just recently took delivery of F/A-18F's to replace F-111's. If you are still flying F-111's then just about anything is a vast improvement in air to air capability. If Australia is looking for high angle of attack and extreme maneuverability then you should consider the Eurofighter Typhoon. The fact is whoever gets first look/first shoot will win a fight 90% of the time.
I agree with some of what you said. But, the f35 could actually win a fight with a t50 easily. the T50's radar wouldn't pick up the extremely stealthy f35 and the f35's would, the f35 would fire a missile, the t50's radar would pick that up, but whats the t50 pilot gonna do now? he will probably die..... Second, the f22 is 100000000X more maneuverable than the typhoon, pretty soon the typhoon will be outmatched by everything.....
SGTthomas0725 I would say I agree with you 100%. I just do not know enough about the F-35's capabilities to give an accurate comment. Regarding the Typhoon, I was speaking from the standpoint of a country with a more limited budget and not wanting to spend the money for F-35. I think you would agree that from a Gen 4+ perspective the Typhoon is probably one of the best in the air?
The Russians are also WAAAYYY behind on fly by wire technology and the redundant systems it takes to make these systems work at an extreme level of performance.
Americans are so fond of this site, poor sore losers! They can't still digest the fiasco of their retired fighters F117, F22 and F35. It's because the USA are the cash cow of a gang of banksters that own large corporations and politicians they finance. American taxpayers live and work to make them more and more powerful. Since the robbery of world gold trustly deposited in Fort Knox, the world is dragged into the support American economy just to give some value to those papers called US $. By the time you wake up, it will be too late for you. Our Messerschmitt were by far better than your planes, just you could launch hundreds of fighters to make ours run out of ammunition. Behold, our former enemy, Russia, is taking revenge on you!
Oh yea ....The Russians can't even build a decent hotel in Sochi, can't provide clean water anywhere in the country, and they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond anybody's technology?? LOL None of these commentators have even been to Russia, I have many times, working in aerospace...BTW, the F-22 is a 25 yr old design...and they still can't come close to it...
***** You are stupid. Americans are not fat nor stupid , My country is big , so ofcourse there is lazy people . But most people I know are athletic teens that is changing America as we know it .
where did u get info about t50 is f117 copy from, may you link a scource? From what i've know, year 1992, Su-27UB won over F-15D with such score that US pilots rejected to ever make practical flights against Flankers. Scource: w w w . flankers-site . co . uk / flanker_combat . html
Fedor Kulikov Except for every fighter its ever produced lmao India is pissed because the Pak fa is nothing like the youtube videos or what was promised.
lol are you drunk F22 is old with old tehnology , F35 is the newest and its maybe in 2006 i think , newest Russian fighter jets is in 2013 with alot more new technology
Second, missing equipment replaced the mass-dimensional models for testing airframe. Аt the moment, has already begun testing board T-50-2, which has acquired something of the above. Only board T-50-3 will be similar to the final version.
T-50 is a fantastic copy of the F-22 Raptor. Russian Aircraft has been capture/Steal and or just copy others aircraft, engines armaments then add a minor change here or their. They value victory over lives and training costs.
@StiviGun1 so what? did F-14 had the rudders placed a side of the engines? also MiG and Su recieved the same layout from TsAGI, why would MiG need the info from Americans if it had already the layout?
This is stupid asking who is better when every one can see The Russians 5th generation T-50 is a copy of US 4th generation F22. Any country that needs to copy another nation knows the answer which nation has the better jet. Didnt russian say the F22 sucks and now they made a copy of it, why if f22 sucked so bad, made the Russians make a copy of it? US made its 5th generation the F35, so does that mean the Russians 6th generastion going to look alot like the F35? If so, The chinese is ahead of Russian on that department. 5th generations should be compared to other 5th generations - So this title should be which is better the T-50 or the F35? Also you have to ask not the jets it self because you can have the best jet with missiles that sucks compare to your enemy.. the new generation weapons and tracking/distance of these aircraft are going to have? That is going to be a bigger secret the public is not going to know for awhile. Also you have to also counter Drones that are going to be in the picture. You can make 100's of unmann drones against this T-50 and the Drones are smaller and alot stealthier and can carry more weapons.. does it matter if you shoot down a drone or hack one or two? you still have to face the rest and still get your pilots killed, with 0 life lost on the other side. Russians going to say the new F35 sucks like they did to the F22 and made copy of it and see how this new generation craft going to turn out not by these video's but on the battlefield by selling them to other nations. They are also going to say the drones have no factor in this, keep telling your self that on the battlefield with drones, new battleships, laser, robots, new warhead missiles, decoys (check that out) and stealth fighters.
Its not completely gone, it has range and has more fuel capability cause its large. Its just less agile in front of the F-22. Please give me the link of the info on PAK FA.
It's a fantastic aircraft for sure, but it's under the hood that counts. It's the engines, avionics, weapons and the stealth is a big factor. The SU-50 would be a hand full for an F-15 but a F-22 would be able to deal with it with little problem. Think about what you've been told about the F-22 and just imagine what you haven't been told. The F-22 is a beast!
Sorry for my eng First, board 51 (T-50-1) - first flight airframe: This aircraft has no radar-absorbent material, management system of armament, optoelectronic station, AESA and two L-band radar, engine nozzle with stealth technology (approximate their image can already be found), engines is the fifth generations, namely Item 129 (currently installed interim option (Item 117)), radar-blocker at intakes (5:47 - turbine blades reflect a lot of waves (patent not yet installed)) and much more.
Remember people, the first prototype f22 took flight in 1991 and started mass production in '97 ans its competitor the yf23 was a beaut too. It's 2018 and countries just got their first 5th gen.
The AESA-N050-Radar is the AESA radar monted on the Russian Sukhoi PAK-FA. NIIP has stated that the Radar have a detection range of 350 km and >400 km against a 2.5 m² target, thus, the range against a 1 m² target is 260-300 km. The radar will be all in all comparable to the APG-77 of the F-22, but with best jamming and LPI capabilities. The AN/APG-77 is the AESA radar monted on the F-22 Raptor it has about 2300 transmit/receive moduls and it´s able to track a 1 square meter target at 240 km.
the f- 22 is over 10 years old and Lockheed Martin skunk works are about to begin combat testing on a totally different design. Remember a few years ago something flew up the Pacific coast at over 25000 mph at those speeds stealth is useless. The next generation fighter will probably be a U.C.A.V
Yes, less than 200 were purchased and are in use, but no more will be produced because they're too expensive and won't play a crucial role in a future conflict.
Does seem like a capable plane. The question is whether or not they can afford it in meaningful numbers and produce it quickly enough to be up-to-date. Another thing that might make a slight difference is the instruments are not embedded under the plane surfaces= radar signature. Maybe just test sensors...
And still its not clear if the PAK FA is more maneuverable than F-22 cause the experts say the the 2D TVC on F-22 achieves a higher angle as it is only a pair of flaps, and the circular exhaust maybe giving more in direction but limited in angle.
the f 22 is a 25 year old plane. i would love for them to release what our top fighter is to date. sure its not the 22 anymore. its just our best the public knows about.
+Charles Nelson The F22 is EXTREMELY heavy for a jet fighter. Also, it was never designed for dodge-fighting. In a test the F22 lost against the Typhoon, which is an air superiority fighter. The Typhoon out-turned the F22 the entire time. Another big problem of the F22 is the strong EM emission, which makes it easy to spot for passive radar systems. The F22 is an outdated, overly complex machine. The USA should have improved their F14 and F15, which were and are great jets.
What's never discussed here is the fact there was no export model of the F22. Why? Well, it had too much proprietary tech to dumb down for export. In 2014, maneuverability is not worth as much as it was 20 yrs ago. Weapon load isn't too important. Stealth, EW, and long range kills are key. The F22 kills you before you know it's there. Nothing else matters....
once the ATF program ended, Russia started its own program to counter the F-22 which resulted in the MiG-1.44 but that was deemed to costly, Sukhoi offered the Su-47 but was also turned down, however out of the two, they chose Sukhoi to develop total new design in 2002, nearly 8 years later the PAK FA after a very troubled development history took off, Now the killer for the PAK FA its design to be a stealth multirole whereas the F-22 is a stealth air superiorty
Wow !!! Proud tou build a F22 copy 24 years later... great, it's good to see Putin can still appreciate small good things that happen... Soon he'll proudly tell they invented electricity. Thank's for making my day !
when i said cut on all it's radars i meant from point a to point b with out locating. it would give away the pak's location. something no pilot would ever really do which is one of the things makes stealth a pain. you have to answer 1 question where to look. a f-22 rwr allows it to fly blind evading radar meaning the only realistic form of detection is ir but f-22 also has ir reduction. so in all honesty the advanced rwr incorperatd in to f-22 design allows it to do some sneaky stuff.
@SpetsnazVityaz I think you made a mistake. The Ho-229 was a BWB airframe, not a wingless airframe. You could say that it lacked a fuselage but to be fair it's a Blended-Wing-Body or Flying wing.
I don't know about the statement of F-22 is bad rather than Su-50 , because yet this stealth jet not even operational when the F-22 is already operating a decade , means Americans are on to something new when the russians still tests they're new jet . it reminds me about Intel and AMD story , that AMD could not breach it's walls and reaching new gaming processors making them better and faster like Intel does today , and again it's becuase of the budget problems as the USSR and as AMD .
David, the version that India tested was a powered down version made for Russia's allies. I viewed the specs only a few days ago. There is a big difference between the versions.
Its not a bad jet , but its far behind the f-35. Honestly i do not care which jet is better, or what tank is best. Lets just hope we never have to find out.
I mean if he said its superior in maneuverability, range, and armament thats great! Maybe he was implying it but he didn't directly say the plane was better overall. There is a lot more to a fighter than that.
@Maloy7800 its shape mainly. also the nozzles are standard and the materials dont look too advanced either. trust me it looks like a great fighter but its stealth cannot match the raptor yet.
Put some things straight: 1.) The F-22 was cancelled because it is too expensive for its role. USA can easily get air superiority against its potential enemies (Russia not seen as a potential enemy until just now) with it's current equipment. F-22 has had software glitches, air supply glitches and is really expensive to maintain. The glitches have been worked out, but the price is still high. In operation Red Flag, the F-22 competed against German, Australian, England and Pakistani Air Forces amongst others. And although it was expensive to fly and maintain, only one was able to be 'killed'. This was even after sending one F-22 up against 22 other aircraft (the F-22 was aloud to have unlimited ammunition). Australia and English Air Forces have expressed high interest in purchasing the F-22, but the USA parliament has banned Lockheed from exporting the aircraft. Not disappointing second rate air forces. In short, cost aside, there is no Air Superiority Fighter that can rival the F-22 whatsoever. And I'm not American.
Finally somebody who is capable of researching and writing with a brain on RUclips. I agree. What gets me is when people call ALL Russian planes "junk" when they clearly are not. For example, how many times have you seen people post that the SU-27 is garbage? If so, how is it that it's the ONLY foreign built aircraft that was able to defeat the F-15 in WORLD history? Granted, it was only a mock combat out of Oceana, Virginia, but the SU-27 defeated the F-15, which has had 133 aerial engagements and has NEVER been lost in one. That, in MY book, anyway, makes the SU-27 pretty damned good! But, people who call a "lemon" an "apple" just because the "lemon" is designed and built in their country is just too funny. I, OTOH, call a "lemon" a "lemon" no matter where it's designed and built. Well said, Zane.
As long as people go on believing that Russia does not have the capability, the better it is for Russia to get ahead of the pack. There is nothing better than being dissed, knowing that you have what it takes.
It's no longer relavent the US has started competition for a 6 the gen aircraft to replace F-22 eventually. The Boeing 6 the gen F/x is to replace the F-18 eventually.
From what I can see of the Pak-Fa t50 , it seems to be a “low” observable rather than a true stealth aircraft. I can see many of the screws and rivets that were used to build the aircraft and the engine parts sticking out the back would make it glow in the infrared spectrum. The screws and rivets catch radar beams and give a larger return. Every little thing counts. I was in the Air Force and have some basic understanding of aircraft and stealth principles. I think that this is a great flying aircraft but lacks some of the refinements of the American programs.
If it would be a battle between the two planes with only guns I'd put money on the f22.Sukhoi may have failed at a fighter but multirole aircraft I see possibilities
How does it compare to the US TR3B? Yeah, I didn't thinks so. It is a beautiful plane, maybe when they get past the engine problems it'll get pur in production. The F-22 is in active service and may get put back into production soon.
It was said the same about the Russian planes 30 years ago and then they saw the Fulcrum, the Flanker and the "other guys". As always don't underestimate anyone.Besides they're not alone and the design of the plane..
This is BS the Pak Fa T-50 was called a cheap piece of junk by the countries who were ready to buy the plane until they saw it was cheaply made and completely inferior to the F-22. India,Pakistan,Syria and Iran were extremely disappointed in the construction and performance of the aircraft.
Americans are so fond of this site, poor sore losers!
They can't stil digest the fiasco of their retired fighters F117, F22 and F35.
It's because the usa are the cash cow of a gang of banksters that own large corporations and politicians they finance.
American taxpayers live and work to make them more and more powerful.
Since the robbery of world gold trustly deposited in Fort Knox, the world is dragged into the support American economy just to give some value to those papers called US $.
By the time you wake up, it will be too late for you.
Our Messerschmitt were by far better than your planes, just you could launch hundreds of fighters to make ours run out of ammunition.
Behold, our former enemy, Russia, is taking revenge on you!
LOL, sore losers?? what was lost here? Putin always tells the truth, just ask the Ukrainians.... Heck an FA-18 on auto-pilot could take this beast out ...
*****
Ummm the f-22 has been cancelled!
and is currently mothballed.
chris gange In any case, the blow against the F-22 is a substantial step. Gates has been publicly inveighing against the fighter for more than a year, calling it a Cold War relic, noting that it hasn't been used in any of the wars we've fought lately, and noting that our current stock-187 F-22s, which have cost $60 billion to develop, build, and maintain to date-is more than adequate to handle the extremely narrow and unlikely range of threats for which they might be suitable in the future.
HiloHawaiian I don't believe an f-18 has an auto pilot...... and if it did how would it get into a dogfight with a pakfa?
T-50 is much better, russians knows how to do a better weapon, because they have a talent that money can't buy
I'm actually quite impressed with Putin. His stance on immigration and effectively combating extremism is worthy of praise. He's done a really good job of creating peace in a once chaotic nation. He's proud of his military and stands behind them 100%. I like him. But there remains a fact that you simply cannot overlook. And that is the wasted remains of Cold War era military hardware. In the total and utter decimation of the USSR came an idea that the population deserves better. Putin understands this better than most and he will never show weakness in military might because he wants everyone to believe and feel the same as he does. I'm not going to tell you that the T-50 is any less of a jet than the F-22. You can do the homework for yourself. It's going to be hard to do because Raptor is already bypassing radar and nobody even knows it. (-; T-50 and J-20 are gen 4.5. They are a close gamble, they fly terrific, but they are not the cutting edge of technology at this time. The whole "red flag" operation and the so called "fails" of F-22 are a ruse. You were looking at tuned down jets flown by great pilots. Why should a country unveil their latest tech, completely eradicate opposition and walk away like they own anybody? It is not good for foreign relations. Don't be fooled. F-22 is not a "dogfighter". Air Superiority can only be achieved by stealth. The type of stealth that gen 4.5 jets don't have.
question, what good are 6x t-50 prototypes against 187 F22s and 200 f35s?
Lot of sore Americans here. I love it :).
OORAH!! SLAVA ROSSIJA! PAK FA, took less time to build than F-22 and F-35 and now that all the propaganda bullshit curtain has fallen we see that F-22 and F-35 do not even WORK LOL!!! yet the PAK FA, like all new things made by Russia is a brilliantly engineered and designed aircraft which the americans can only dream that they had!
Google "The Indians HATE Their New Russian-Made Stealth Fighter" to read the first non Russian review of Pak-Fa
Yep and you're probably shaving with what used to be a "brilliantly engineered" T80 RUSSIAN tank that got smashed by an M1 in Iraq. And all those "brilliantly engineered" Russian air defense systems that Isreal spoofs anytime they like WITH NON STEALTH AIRCRAFT. The ones that Russia has to send a team to try to find out what went wrong this time. Russian junk always gets destroyed in the opening minutes of any conflict with western weapons.
james street
well i'm very sorry that you can't see the beauty even in terrible things like weapons of war... there are some which are shockingly simple, others which are much much more complex; however, what they have in common are extremely brilliant designers and engineers. i don't think you were being purposely misleading but what you said about Russian (or even old Soviet) inventions and equipment designs is simply inaccurate - i don't mean to sound like a jerk in saying that so i apologize....
Kristjen Štjuprić When did Russian go from engineering and designing things like the Kursk and Chernobly reactors to designing "brilliant" or even satisfactory things? Last I checked their civil aircraft crash into mountains, their cars are pieces of shit and their country is run by a closet case homophobe
Look at all of the likes this comment has!
Djoes itj hev siupercruisnja?
Remember, guys, this is just a prototype! A prototype!
Still a prototype 5 years later. Russians...
And it remained a prototype ........well, is almost November of 2019, and still a prototype; Also I heard , the Russians are no building it anymore!!
Said again that now ,Su-57 is official
This comment really didn't age well did it? lol
Just a link from which website did you get this information.
I don't understand the point of this video. We see the T-50 flying sround, some stills of it and stills of the development bureau. How does this mean, as the title of the video states, that the "T-50 is better than the F-22", which it may well be? Show me a fly-off between the two please. I'm no great fan of all the bluster that's been put out by our aerospace teams regarding the F-22 and F-35 but give us more to work with than just this. A couple of points I noticed is that the F-50 is HUGE and therefore there won't be a variant that will be carrier based, unlike the F-22/F-35 and the turkey tail engine exhausts certainly don't make for a stealthy craft. However flawed the F-22 and F-35 might be I look forward to their first engagement with a Russian patron state flying something like the T-50 since stealth engineering and first sight, first kill is the issue here.
Why T-50 is better? T-50 has better AESA (AN/APG-77 = 240 km, NIIP AESA> 300 km a 1 m² target). T-50 flies faster. T-50 shoots farther. (F-22 = 120 km., T-50 > 350 km.)
TyphoonUSSR Speak english, especially aeronautical english and not just some letters and numbers please.
Au60schild learn Russian, in order to learn more about it ..
TyphoonUSSR Dude, English is the third most commonly spoken language in the world. Why would I learn a bunch of Cyrillic gibberish which is only the eighth most commonly spoken language? Get used to it, the Internet was invented by the english speaking United States. If you want to taken seriously on the 'net you need to meet on common ground.
TyphoonUSSR That's...not true...
does this plane have thrust vectoring?
This is a huge copy of the F-22. Yet the Russians are always saying that the F-22 is shit. But now they are talking about how great this plane is.
you need to pray that it fail because since you think it's a copy... what if it's a better copy... then you look worst than shit with a comment like that. your f22 is CANCELLED.. just remember that...
Mike Miller drones?? you mean hackable drones?? like the hackable ships that America tested? the F22 got cancelled because there were numerous flaws that were sited even 10 years prior to it's cancellation date... I watch numerous congressional hearings on it.. don't try that... you really think drones could stand up to L,S band radars that could see them? even though drones are a real breakthrough manned aircrafts would still be necessary.. and oh well ... other countries are developing drones too... so what's your point.
Xtremedia01 I don't need to worry about it being better. Read the article about "INDIANS ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT THEIR NEW
PAK FAs"
Chabby969 you're misinformed dude india version of the pak fa is different its FGFA... there's a difference
Mike Miller you're just trying to over-glorify DARPA.... I've seen the drones... they look sophisticated and all... but to blow this out of the water as if it's tried and proven is just as the f22/f35 was rated as technology that would never be seen by other countries for the next 20-30 years. and to add to that India is developing drones also... Russia also .. the SKAT manta ray... so is China... so let's just all wait and see.
f22 has already been in production for years even before russian and chinese begun developing their own 5th gen fighters. How does anyone would think that upgrades and development of f22 had stopped after they went to production. For engineers, developing their craft never stop. they only stop when they begin developing a new plane like the 6th gen.
I'm pretty sure my '02 Taurus is better than the F-22...
Hahaha, come on, Putin also thinks the Lada is better than the Cadillac! They have no idea what the F-22 is capable of because it's never been able to show it in an airshow.
Absolutely I I agree
Russians have like one or two Pak-Fa in a test run.
USA has like 200-300 in service
like the Russians are like the planes like are fast but like you know its like not better. like
Less then that, USA has like 130 in service
@@startingbark0356 180 actually
Russia still has like 12 lol
@@marcusbevz6500 132 that are in service
@@marcusbevz6500 and 12 is a estimation
@mroldcrow the F-22 isnt flying? Maybe you should check again...
Don't forget Russia's S-300 S-400 AND S-500. Those Anti Aircraft missiles can shoot anything down from the sky.
even an invisible f22? I don't believe that Russian radar will see it...
SGTthomas0725 F-22 and F-35 are flying bricks.
zack zac first prove it.... second even if they were, it wouldn't matter because the radar has to know they are there first...... and it wouldn't because f22s and f35s are invisible to radar.......
SGTthomas0725 Stealth is BullShit period! when the time comes you'll see just how useless the B-2 and F-22 is.
Well, we know they can shoot down airliners at least
So I don't know where u got your info from but, it has 2 internal bays which can carry 4 missiles each, making it 8 missiles, and like the F-22 it has 2 auxiliary bays for 2 SRAAMS. 8 missiles are the standard configuration for all the aircraft in the world, so if u can give me a link that says it has 4 missiles for Pak-Fa. Do tell what you have studied??
It's funny, the Indian airforce tested the Pak 50 and said it was garbage.
One Pretty Muthafucka Than you didn't bother to do any research.
www.janes.com/article/42765/indian-air-force-unhappy-at-progress-of-pak-fa-fifth-gen-fighter
www.defenceaviation.com/2014/01/indian-air-force-not-happy-with-sukhoi-t-50pak-fafgfa.html
As I said before...........garbage!
David Smith Your article says they're unhappy with the progress, not that it's "garbage."
Citizenfitz hasn't even got vectored thrusting so its no match for latest f16 let alone anything else, twin engines mean very short cruising range, fit fuel tanks to it it aint stealthy any more very poor attempt at aircraft design and I say this for the 1980`s not 2015
Citizenfitz it came from the fact when designs plans are stolen the technical details are not known or understood thus when the copy is flown its a fail welcome to Russian and Chinese tech
lmafo, if the PAK is better than American aircraft tech why isn't replacing the current aircraft as they still use 1940`s tech , but you keep on believing that trash the polit bureau is feeding you
Isn't Putin the guy that beat the entire Russian judo class by himself? I guess the guy that made this video actually believed it.LOL
PUTIN is abslolutely right!
Ali Ace YT TRUE DAT!
the t-50 is a nice plane. what is the weight on it? i have not ben able to find it.
LOL GUYS THE F-22 Raptor Is Susceptible To Rain Rain LOL MOTHER NATURE DID IT FOR THE RUSSIANS AND ITS TO FUCKING EXPENSIVE
It Still Has No Fucking Armour
mark mitnik no one puts armor on fighters dumbass
Lol If They Didn't They Be Sheeded Bye Rain Its Not A lot Of Armour But Its Made To Hold Up The Aircraft And Maybe absorb bullets.
@BulgarianInCanada How can you possibly assess the stealthiness of materials (UNDER PAINT!!!) by just looking at them in a 360 pixel video!?
RIP F-22
at first glance i thought i see f22 raptor. it was just only a copy. is this stealth also?
I question this aircraft's capabilities. The aircraft clearly has no RAM and relies on shape for stealth. This is identifiable by the panel screws and panel lines. It is about 35% bigger than an F-22 (no small feat) and I would put an F-22 up against this any day of the week. Regarding the F-35, the F-35 would probably be outmatched unless it can get a first look first shoot. Regarding Australia, you just recently took delivery of F/A-18F's to replace F-111's. If you are still flying F-111's then just about anything is a vast improvement in air to air capability. If Australia is looking for high angle of attack and extreme maneuverability then you should consider the Eurofighter Typhoon. The fact is whoever gets first look/first shoot will win a fight 90% of the time.
For crying out LOUD, WTF does Australia need fighter jets for? Seems like a big waste of money all around.
I agree with some of what you said. But, the f35 could actually win a fight with a t50 easily. the T50's radar wouldn't pick up the extremely stealthy f35 and the f35's would, the f35 would fire a missile, the t50's radar would pick that up, but whats the t50 pilot gonna do now? he will probably die..... Second, the f22 is 100000000X more maneuverable than the typhoon, pretty soon the typhoon will be outmatched by everything.....
SGTthomas0725 I would say I agree with you 100%. I just do not know enough about the F-35's capabilities to give an accurate comment. Regarding the Typhoon, I was speaking from the standpoint of a country with a more limited budget and not wanting to spend the money for F-35. I think you would agree that from a Gen 4+ perspective the Typhoon is probably one of the best in the air?
i just noticed from the front it looks a lot like the yf 23 maybe it is a coincidence or maybe not.
The Russians are also WAAAYYY behind on fly by wire technology and the redundant systems it takes to make these systems work at an extreme level of performance.
Americans are so fond of this site, poor sore losers!
They can't still digest the fiasco of their retired fighters F117, F22 and F35.
It's because the USA are the cash cow of a gang of banksters that own large corporations and politicians they finance.
American taxpayers live and work to make them more and more powerful.
Since the robbery of world gold trustly deposited in Fort Knox, the world is dragged into the support American economy just to give some value to those papers called US $.
By the time you wake up, it will be too late for you.
Our Messerschmitt were by far better than your planes, just you could launch hundreds of fighters to make ours run out of ammunition.
Behold, our former enemy, Russia, is taking revenge on you!
Oh yea ....The Russians can't even build a decent hotel in Sochi, can't provide clean water anywhere in the country, and they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond anybody's technology?? LOL None of these commentators have even been to Russia, I have many times, working in aerospace...BTW, the F-22 is a 25 yr old design...and they still can't come close to it...
HiloHawaiian Как там дела с модернизацией CIP и заменой устаревших I960?
TyphoonUSSR Que?
Oh yes. I guess the quote the Europeans came up with thrust vectoring technology but the Russians mastered it doesn't mean anything to you.
Vectored thrust?
The Russians trying to develop modern machines is like watching a drunk try to stand up after falling down from their own vomit.
fat, ugly, silly and FAT - like an american
***** You are stupid. Americans are not fat nor stupid , My country is big , so ofcourse there is lazy people . But most people I know are athletic teens that is changing America as we know it .
Will Souther as marijuana and sex idols with unemployment. yes you are right ! it means what ***** have said earlier
Everything, that is anything came from the US.
Dave M what a ediat, you are defanally brain washed.
@StiviGun1 what are the facts? what are the characteristics copied in Su-27, MiG-29?
Australia should buy these :) The F-35 is shit
Its still in development you idiot
***** I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. Both aircraft are in development...
RA Guthrie
You cant compare the aircraft.
***** Are you still talking about the F-35 and the T-50? Maybe you have the F-35 confused with the F-22 Raptor.
RA Guthrie
F-35 vs T-50, Both of which are still in development so you cant compare them
where did u get info about t50 is f117 copy from, may you link a scource?
From what i've know, year 1992, Su-27UB won over F-15D with such score that US pilots rejected to ever make practical flights against Flankers. Scource: w w w . flankers-site . co . uk / flanker_combat . html
i call bullshit
i call fuck you , USA never have so good Fighter jet , and never will have!
Fedor Kulikov Except for every fighter its ever produced lmao India is pissed because the Pak fa is nothing like the youtube videos or what was promised.
lol are you drunk F22 is old with old tehnology , F35 is the newest and its maybe in 2006 i think , newest Russian fighter jets is in 2013 with alot more new technology
Fedor Kulikov F-22 came into service in 2005. thats not much of a gap.
***** well that was the official intro. they told the public in 2003 and made a prototype in i believe 1990
Second, missing equipment replaced the mass-dimensional models for testing airframe. Аt the moment, has already begun testing board T-50-2, which has acquired something of the above. Only board T-50-3 will be similar to the final version.
T-50 is a fantastic copy of the F-22 Raptor. Russian Aircraft has been capture/Steal and or just copy others aircraft, engines armaments then add a minor change here or their. They value victory over lives and training costs.
Its actually the other way atoundb^^
JijVuileUil :3 Roflmao
What, its treu?
JijVuileUil :3 Your very funny and Naive. Go play video games made in Russia.
You think Im defending russia? IM JUST BASING MY ARGUMENT ON THE FACT THAT THIS THING IS TWICE AS CHEAP AS TGE RAPTOR AND CAN STILL COMPETE WITH IT.
@StiviGun1 so what? did F-14 had the rudders placed a side of the engines? also MiG and Su recieved the same layout from TsAGI, why would MiG need the info from Americans if it had already the layout?
This is stupid asking who is better when every one can see The Russians 5th generation T-50 is a copy of US 4th generation F22. Any country that needs to copy another nation knows the answer which nation has the better jet. Didnt russian say the F22 sucks and now they made a copy of it, why if f22 sucked so bad, made the Russians make a copy of it? US made its 5th generation the F35, so does that mean the Russians 6th generastion going to look alot like the F35? If so, The chinese is ahead of Russian on that department. 5th generations should be compared to other 5th generations - So this title should be which is better the T-50 or the F35? Also you have to ask not the jets it self because you can have the best jet with missiles that sucks compare to your enemy.. the new generation weapons and tracking/distance of these aircraft are going to have? That is going to be a bigger secret the public is not going to know for awhile. Also you have to also counter Drones that are going to be in the picture. You can make 100's of unmann drones against this T-50 and the Drones are smaller and alot stealthier and can carry more weapons.. does it matter if you shoot down a drone or hack one or two? you still have to face the rest and still get your pilots killed, with 0 life lost on the other side.
Russians going to say the new F35 sucks like they did to the F22 and made copy of it and see how this new generation craft going to turn out not by these video's but on the battlefield by selling them to other nations. They are also going to say the drones have no factor in this, keep telling your self that on the battlefield with drones, new battleships, laser, robots, new warhead missiles, decoys (check that out) and stealth fighters.
F-22 is 5th Gen, and the T-50 is a cheap make. T-50 has crappy stealth, and all of the USAF/Navy aircraft could out maneuver it.
Why copy the F22 when the F23 was superior... Just not as politically viable
Its not completely gone, it has range and has more fuel capability cause its large. Its just less agile in front of the F-22. Please give me the link of the info on PAK FA.
F22 cant fly in the rain. Even first jet planes are better LOL
+sombrio oft-repeated bullshit that isn't true at all.
It's a fantastic aircraft for sure, but it's under the hood that counts. It's the engines, avionics, weapons and the stealth is a big factor. The SU-50 would be a hand full for an F-15 but a F-22 would be able to deal with it with little problem. Think about what you've been told about the F-22 and just imagine what you haven't been told. The F-22 is a beast!
Sorry for my eng
First, board 51 (T-50-1) - first flight airframe:
This aircraft has no radar-absorbent material, management system of armament,
optoelectronic station, AESA and two L-band radar, engine nozzle with stealth technology (approximate their image can already be found), engines is the fifth generations, namely Item 129 (currently installed interim option (Item 117)), radar-blocker at intakes (5:47 - turbine blades reflect a lot of waves (patent not yet installed)) and much more.
i wonder if yf23 can fly just like SU T-50.
A great aircraft, a great leader, and a great country.
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Remember people, the first prototype f22 took flight in 1991 and started mass production in '97 ans its competitor the yf23 was a beaut too. It's 2018 and countries just got their first 5th gen.
dose this mean stealt is over cuz that looks like shaped stealth tec.
what kind of engine can sustain this amount of size and flight surfaces ? this plane need better engines. then it will be perfect
Just by painting it, wont do you need a specific shape.
The AESA-N050-Radar is the AESA radar monted on the Russian Sukhoi PAK-FA.
NIIP has stated that the Radar have a detection range of 350 km and >400 km against a 2.5 m² target, thus, the range against a 1 m² target is 260-300 km. The radar will be all in all comparable to the APG-77 of the F-22, but with best jamming and LPI capabilities.
The AN/APG-77 is the AESA radar monted on the F-22 Raptor it has about 2300 transmit/receive moduls and it´s able to track a 1 square meter target at 240 km.
the f- 22 is over 10 years old and Lockheed Martin skunk works are about to begin combat testing on a totally different design. Remember a few years ago something flew up the Pacific coast at over 25000 mph at those speeds stealth is useless. The next generation fighter will probably be a U.C.A.V
I just hope that it never comes down to any of us having to find out which one is really the best.
Looking over, I saw the PAK FA can not afford to compete F22 roughly about and fighting techniques..!
@StiviGun1 right, so why you talk about them, did X-1 had all movable rudder? i was talking about elevators, not rudders........
Yes, less than 200 were purchased and are in use, but no more will be produced because they're too expensive and won't play a crucial role in a future conflict.
Does seem like a capable plane. The question is whether or not they can afford it in meaningful numbers and produce it quickly enough to be up-to-date. Another thing that might make a slight difference is the instruments are not embedded under the plane surfaces= radar signature. Maybe just test sensors...
A lot of power! Maybe a 3.5- 4-2 mach number?
And still its not clear if the PAK FA is more maneuverable than F-22 cause the experts say the the 2D TVC on F-22 achieves a higher angle as it is only a pair of flaps, and the circular exhaust maybe giving more in direction but limited in angle.
what pak fa?
the f 22 is a 25 year old plane. i would love for them to release what our top fighter is to date. sure its not the 22 anymore. its just our best the public knows about.
im not an expert but just by looking at this plane i can see that weapons have to be carried externally. not too bright if you want to be invisable
If you a plane called the Tu-10 and it does not look like the B-29 then look up the Tu-4 Bull
by that i mean a f-22 doesn't NEED to use it's radar until last minute.
Vectored exhaust? If not, the F22 will be able to run rings around the T-50.
Yes it has thrust vectoring
+Charles Nelson The F22 is EXTREMELY heavy for a jet fighter. Also, it was never designed for dodge-fighting. In a test the F22 lost against the Typhoon, which is an air superiority fighter. The Typhoon out-turned the F22 the entire time.
Another big problem of the F22 is the strong EM emission, which makes it easy to spot for passive radar systems.
The F22 is an outdated, overly complex machine. The USA should have improved their F14 and F15, which were and are great jets.
What's never discussed here is the fact there was no export model of the F22. Why? Well, it had too much proprietary tech to dumb down for export. In 2014, maneuverability is not worth as much as it was 20 yrs ago. Weapon load isn't too important. Stealth, EW, and long range kills are key. The F22 kills you before you know it's there. Nothing else matters....
BVR missile probability of kill = 17%, proof missiles don't "own" the air.
***** No proof, put both in a match and see which one comes out.
once the ATF program ended, Russia started its own program to counter the F-22 which resulted in the MiG-1.44 but that was deemed to costly, Sukhoi offered the Su-47 but was also turned down, however out of the two, they chose Sukhoi to develop total new design in 2002, nearly 8 years later the PAK FA after a very troubled development history took off, Now the killer for the PAK FA its design to be a stealth multirole whereas the F-22 is a stealth air superiorty
@jekrafft f22 induction started in 2005 not 1990s...
Wow !!! Proud tou build a F22 copy 24 years later... great, it's good to see Putin can still appreciate small good things that happen... Soon he'll proudly tell they invented electricity. Thank's for making my day !
I don't think the huge-ass antenna at the tip is gonna compliment the stealth aspect of this thing..
when i said cut on all it's radars i meant from point a to point b with out locating. it would give away the pak's location. something no pilot would ever really do which is one of the things makes stealth a pain. you have to answer 1 question where to look. a f-22 rwr allows it to fly blind evading radar meaning the only realistic form of detection is ir but f-22 also has ir reduction. so in all honesty the advanced rwr incorperatd in to f-22 design allows it to do some sneaky stuff.
Q: How can you tell when Putin is lying?
A: His lips are moving.
@SpetsnazVityaz
I think you made a mistake.
The Ho-229 was a BWB airframe, not a wingless airframe. You could say that it lacked a fuselage but to be fair it's a Blended-Wing-Body or Flying wing.
How can it be better than the aircraft it copies almost perfectly?
I don't know about the statement of F-22 is bad rather than Su-50 , because yet this stealth jet not even operational when the F-22 is already operating a decade , means Americans are on to something new when the russians still tests they're new jet . it reminds me about Intel and AMD story , that AMD could not breach it's walls and reaching new gaming processors making them better and faster like Intel does today , and again it's becuase of the budget problems as the USSR and as AMD .
The f22 entered active service in 2005,I wonder when the T50 will 2020?
How many of these planes actually exist?? It looks not bad,the f22 looks alot sharper and responcive in my humble opinion.
David, the version that India tested was a powered down version made for Russia's allies. I viewed the specs only a few days ago. There is a big difference between the versions.
Nice.....you caught up to a 20 year old airplane.....you should be proud.....
Not canceled, their numbers capped. Huge difference.
These Russian planes look more "grunt", bigger payload and range. The American planes look more "sleek", polished and shines in the finer details.
Its not a bad jet , but its far behind the f-35. Honestly i do not care which jet is better, or what tank is best. Lets just hope we never have to find out.
I actually heavily agree with you
I mean if he said its superior in maneuverability, range, and armament thats great! Maybe he was implying it but he didn't directly say the plane was better overall. There is a lot more to a fighter than that.
@Maloy7800 its shape mainly. also the nozzles are standard and the materials dont look too advanced either. trust me it looks like a great fighter but its stealth cannot match the raptor yet.
Put some things straight:
1.) The F-22 was cancelled because it is too expensive for its role. USA can easily get air superiority against its potential enemies (Russia not seen as a potential enemy until just now) with it's current equipment.
F-22 has had software glitches, air supply glitches and is really expensive to maintain. The glitches have been worked out, but the price is still high.
In operation Red Flag, the F-22 competed against German, Australian, England and Pakistani Air Forces amongst others. And although it was expensive to fly and maintain, only one was able to be 'killed'. This was even after sending one F-22 up against 22 other aircraft (the F-22 was aloud to have unlimited ammunition).
Australia and English Air Forces have expressed high interest in purchasing the F-22, but the USA parliament has banned Lockheed from exporting the aircraft. Not disappointing second rate air forces.
In short, cost aside, there is no Air Superiority Fighter that can rival the F-22 whatsoever.
And I'm not American.
Finally somebody who is capable of researching and writing with a brain on RUclips. I agree. What gets me is when people call ALL Russian planes "junk" when they clearly are not. For example, how many times have you seen people post that the SU-27 is garbage? If so, how is it that it's the ONLY foreign built aircraft that was able to defeat the F-15 in WORLD history? Granted, it was only a mock combat out of Oceana, Virginia, but the SU-27 defeated the F-15, which has had 133 aerial engagements and has NEVER been lost in one. That, in MY book, anyway, makes the SU-27 pretty damned good! But, people who call a "lemon" an "apple" just because the "lemon" is designed and built in their country is just too funny. I, OTOH, call a "lemon" a "lemon" no matter where it's designed and built. Well said, Zane.
As long as people go on believing that Russia does not have the capability, the better it is for Russia to get ahead of the pack. There is nothing better than being dissed, knowing that you have what it takes.
funny since it's wrong a f-22 has a built in rwr allowing ti to remain stealthy while detecting the radar of other planes while avoiding them.
It's no longer relavent the US has started competition for a 6 the gen aircraft to replace F-22 eventually.
The Boeing 6 the gen F/x is to replace the F-18 eventually.
It is not about machines but about spirit! Russians got a lot of it and this is one of the key points to win a fight!
Pak-Fa will be a good plane...all twelve of them
From what I can see of the Pak-Fa t50 , it seems to be a “low” observable rather than a true stealth aircraft. I can see many of the screws and rivets that were used to build the aircraft and the engine parts sticking out the back would make it glow in the infrared spectrum. The screws and rivets catch radar beams and give a larger return. Every little thing counts. I was in the Air Force and have some basic understanding of aircraft and stealth principles. I think that this is a great flying aircraft but lacks some of the refinements of the American programs.
The only problem is that these will never see combat. Sad, honestly. We'll never know which plane is superior.
If it would be a battle between the two planes with only guns I'd put money on the f22.Sukhoi may have failed at a fighter but multirole aircraft I see possibilities
YF-23?!
What you mean apart from the videos on my channel?
How does it compare to the US TR3B? Yeah, I didn't thinks so. It is a beautiful plane, maybe when they get past the engine problems it'll get pur in production. The F-22 is in active service and may get put back into production soon.
It was said the same about the Russian planes 30 years ago and then they saw the Fulcrum, the Flanker and the "other guys". As always don't underestimate anyone.Besides they're not alone and the design of the plane..
looks familiar too blue print I saw 20 years ago
Your only hope of definately having PAK FA on side is if some of the JSF partners cut their losses.
Pilot- "Dis is good ya me think must have bottle rack for vodka , this makes for better plane !"