The Dali Lama's recognition of the Karmapa is Not Required for the Karma Kagyu Lineage to install a new Karmapa. It is only an honour, and blessing. But I fully understand Tai Situ for choosing his own Karmapa and bowing to Chinese pressure. The high Rimpoches had to recognize Orgyn in order to support their monasteries they left behind in Tibet. It was not a matter of tradition it was a matter of survival and a way to hope with the Chinese oppression. Why cannot we be happy with two Karmapas?
I remember this, "under the sign of a cow" this confused the experts but even a chillum worshipper could figure this one out. There were traditional picturial map of Tibet with all the ethic groups drawn in regional costumes it was so common it was sold as a postcard. Well there is a couple with a cow south central Tibet and under this cow the 17th Kamapa was born. He later escaped to India. I think I saw him when he was 19 debating with other monks behind a wire fence Macleod Ganj and I hear from him 'nothing for me in this time', well that wasn't news to me; the first Kamapa had been a comtempory of Rechangpa. Millarepa still walks the earth.
At the same time many Lamas such as Tai Situ represents many, still in Tibet. In order to work in Tibet one must be supportive of China and their interests. Therefore its good to have a Karmpa that can help with that. In this way there is a Karmapa for everyone. One for you, and one for me, it's actually quite amazing how the Karmapa,with two emanations or reincarnations could do something so wonderful for all. We needn't to call anyone Demons or spread hate. This is not good Buddhist behaviour.
while his holiness dalai lama is the political head of tibet different schools of tibetan buddhism have their. supreme head no less in incarnation level as HH Dalai lama. the sakyas were the political head at one time and the phagmo dupa school at another time in the tibetan history. its a passing hisyorical phase. But incarnations like the karmapa is beyond our capacity to draw judgement. in which even Dalai lama cannot be counted as having the spiritual lugitimacy that his candidate alone is right. we humbly respect him and his karmapa and respect shamarpas karmapa as well. this will prove the greatness of the karmapa and also teach us a new lesson that different schools and masters have their own greatnesses beyond the power and position of the system that governs us now.
Dteringdorje, It is very kind of you to be concerned for new students; I've been practicing Buddhism for over 12 years. I rejoice in your devotion to dharma, but we need to remember that Buddha warned us against dogmatism. So if we are concerned for others, good, but seeming angry about the gurus they choose is probably unwise. Buddha did teach us to discover the ultimate nature of reality for ourselves; on the path we have to discern which teachers to follow; I cannot choose for each other.
Both karmapas were recognized by others when they were really young and had no choice but to take the title. So please consider the words you use! Ps- It's a fact that Tai Situ forged the prediction letter!
In this false film they state there has never before been 2 Kamapas this is false , I might also add that Kamapa &Shamapa are the 2 highest Lamas of the Karma Kagyu
High ranking lamas will come and go ...... If there are two 17th Karmapas then I shall stand back and watch and listen to both 17th Karmapas. A real 17th Karmapa should preach peace, love, and wisdom. A real 17th Karmapa should not promote violence and preach hatred. The only teachings I learn is what Sakyamuni Buddha left behind. In reality of Buddhism, understanding the truth is up to you! High ranking lamas only can point out the truth but they are NOT "THE" TRUTH.
Dtsering, Karmapa (Thaye Dorje) was educated by high masters in the Kagyu lineage; he was educated primarily in India, having left Tibet when quite young. I think you are confusing him with the one Tai Situ found? The Tai Situ one WAS educated by the Chinese; he left Tibet when he was 20 something.... Look to be honest, I think it's good to go to teachings with both Karmapas and decide for yourself, if logistically possible.
I am an ordained monk in the Karma Kagyü lineage. My lama recognises Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Gyalwang Karmapa and therefore so do I. He has said nothing about two karmapas and I have not asked. Politics, the machinations of Mara, are not Dharma. I respect and trust my guru, will follow his instructions and take refuge only in the Three Jewels.
Dteringdorje, I appreciate your concern:) but the purpose of dharma is to attain Buddhahood for the sake of all sentient beings; we each may have different spiritual guides and there is nothing wrong with that. Buddhas emanate in many forms. I understand that some people are devoted to different gurus. I think the Buddhas will safeguard our practice so that we will go to enlightenment; after all they are infinitely compassionate and omniscient; they will help as much as possible; we just try
( MOTIVATION ) Motivation gone wrong everything goes wrong.... Spiritual and politic is completely two different thing you cannot mix together. The result of all this is now in front of you.
I can think of nothing better for beings than attaining the state of Buddhahood; Then I thank you for your prediction that my realisation will be similar to Thaye Dorje's:). That would be lovely. Karmapa chenno! May your path lead you to Vajradhara's state as well:). Over and out Dtesring:)
mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion.
this is a bias video supporting situ rinpoche's candidate;what one fails to take into account is that the institution of the shamarpa is cardinal and viz viz plays a most important role in the say for the candidature of the karmapa lineage
I wrote name "demon" next to Thaye Dorje in accord with prediction of ancient Yogi Chogyur Lingpa who named all emanations of Dusum Khyempa, First Karmapa until last 26 emanations of this awoken Buddha-Bodhisattva. Chogyur Lingpa predicted name of 17th Karmapa as Ugyen. He said also about second Karmapa as incarnation of a demon, who will cause shism in Sangha of Lamas, monks and nuns and laymen included. There is only one emanation mentioned in letter of 16 Karmapa. It's Ugyen Trinley Dorje.
dtseringdorje you bull shit Dorjey Shugden’s student don’t know any thing that who is the 16 Karmapa’s real reincarnation because recently H. H. Dalai Lama said that there are can be more then one Karmapa’s reincarnation....
Any body who read ancient texts can copy and paste name Urgyen. Nothing special about that. May two Karmapas resolved the controversy. Both are victims of the system..
#5:48 Actually the 16th Karmapa was the 17th, the prophecy was talking about the invasion of Tibet by the Chinese communist government. Since one of candidate was appointed by the Chinese government, the prediction of almost extermination of Karma Kagyu lineage is manifesting now.
If your Teacher is Thaye Dorje then your realisation will be similar to his own. A pupil cannot be greater than his or her master. I wish you to become a keen eyed master yourself, to discern truth from falsehood, get karmic purification and to attain Buddha Way for fulfilling vows and samayas you took with Thaye Dorje, your beloved guru. Good luck, then.
People saying His Holiness Dalai Lama is supreme head of buddhism are living in illusion. He is Rimpoche with political power in Tibet. His Holiness is not even head of Gelugpa. Gaden Thripa is head of Gelug School. If prediction letter was right, y didn’t forensically tested. It was as simple as that. Having said that I don’t argue that Urgyen Thinley Dorji not karmapa. He might be. Just politics and selfishness of rimpoches screwed two young monks lives…
Thanks for your comment. First I think that in chat rooms, sms, blogs,ect writing in all capital letters is considered to be yelling and rude. Yelling never drives a point home. I think you missed my point. I have chosen a Karmapa. But I am happy that there are two. Most western Buddhists can't accept a Karmapa that is approved by the same people who destroyed Tibet, Communist China. Therefore its good to have a Karmapa that can work for those of us in the west that the 16th Karmapa inspired...
YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS: TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD. YOU WILL LOVE THE FIRST AND HATE THE OTHER. THIS IS THE LAW OF KARMA. FOR TRUTH YOU WILL BE REWARDED. FOR FALSEHOOD YOU WILL BE PUNISHED. NOW YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE. CHOSE WISELY. IN THE END OF THIS CIRCUS YAMA WAITS AND WILL EXAM US ALL. SOME GO UP WHEREAS OTHERS WILL GO DOWN, NO?
Happy reading, i kept it as short as possible: Keep in mind that KARMA has nothing to do with fate, and has nearly everything to do with belief, because out of your belief, you act, and your actions will cause effects, which then come up to bother you and maybe even others, nothing is working separately, everything is connected, the only truth at this point is KARMA itself, not what reward or punishment is, it rises out of karma, whether you end up with a good feeling as reward or a bad feeling as punishment, which in first line is not so clear, because as some know in Dhammapada: "Milk needs time to spoil, and create bad taste, so does bad actions seem like honey for the fool in the first place, but turn out as disasterous effects later." Now the next thing is, BAD and GOOD are subjective opinions about a situation or an action, so whether to decide if it is good or bad is all up to the viewer who in most cases have foggy-brained minds. As Lama Ole stated, the true Karmapa will be revealed in time, there is too much controversy going on, and too many people trusting in their version of Karmapa that the true one is hidden for now. One thing is clear, just one is able to perform the Black Crown Ceremony with effect, this would reveal it later. Little note: when Karmapa, i speak of Trinley Thaye Dorje, was born, after he learned to speak, never hearing the word Karmapa, he supposedly said, that he is Karmapa, which, according to tradition, the Karmapa reveals itself by calling himself out aswell, not just by other lamas, who search for reincarnated masters, someday some Chinese governmental guys came up to his parents house, and asked for that talented boy, who could go with them to China in order to get exquisit education, which the father refused. In this case even the Chinese government, who may know of the true Karmapa wanted to eliminate the probability of the true Karmapa to be revealed later as the second one, so only one was on the throne and no more revolting Tibetans. Only that HH the Dalai Lama says, Urgyen is the Karmapa, doesnt mean he is the Karmapa, HH the Dalai Lama is with his tradition in the Mahayana tradition, not in the Kagyu school, what means, what does he even have to say in this situation? Just because he is the political head of Tibet doesnt mean he is the head of all traditions. I think he wasnt properly introduced into this topic and spoke a halting "yes", when he was asked if he could approve the Karmapa. As i said minds can be pretty foggy, what media tells, is told by those who listen, and listeners can be betrayed, only those, who betray, know whats going on, so media is no good way of telling stories, because you can be betrayed sooo easily. But there are ways of proofing fake data, if something doesnt align, there must be an error in it, is this the case with Trinley Thaye Dorje´s recognition or is it the case with Urgyen Trinley Dorje´s? What media tells can be true, but also can be wrong. That seems stupid now, but if I look at both Karmapa´s pictures, Trinley Thaye Dorje just really seems right, even when I first heared of Karmapa, and there are two of those, and not even knowing at this point who those really were, no idea what it is with that, may be subjective, may be nothing similar. As Buddha stated: Dont believe everything I say, because I said it, test it out yourself. Let intuition guide you, not fear, not belief, for now, find your own true Karmapa, seems stupid, but i can repeat, just because someone has someones blessing and approval, doesnt mean he is right. The more someone wants to be right, the more he is not. Because the truth doesnt need to be right, in order to exist. Its like someone sells you an empty glass of jelly-jam saying that this is the most delicious jam around the globe. -which in this case isnt, because the glass is empty :PPP
Dtseringdorje, I hardly think there is any basis of comparison between Karmapa (Thaye Dorje)/Shamar Rinpoche and Hitler. I have been to teachings, empowerments and had many personal dialogues with both Karmapa and Rinpoche, and they are both perfect teachers for me, teaching how to raise bodhichitta, receive blessings, and examine for ourselves what is true. They are here, in my opinion, only to help beings. Hitler, on the contrary, committed genocide, and involved much of the world in war.
Causing a breaking, division and a falsehood in a Sangha is a one of five deadly sins. According to Lord Buddha's words this is a cause for a rebirth in Avici Hell. So it's a bad business for everyone, who commits such an offense. As to practitioners who worry about purity of the Karmapa's linage and survival of pure Buddhadharma in this world, i suggest to keep your own mind clear and not allowing anybody to enter with a mack on his boots to your hearts. Eat well, shit well and sleep well, OK?
What is Buddhahood and how do you want to attain that? My Tibetan Teacher Geshe Khenrab Gajam Tobgye told me I should observe teachers for at least 12 years until I decide about who is my so called guru. Also a teacher should observe a student at least for 6 years until he decide to teach him or her Dharma. Dharma is serious matter and may be dangerous if practiced in wrong ways. I want to warn you about dangers of false teachers and futile practice of naive students believing flowers on sky.
Some say Tai Situ forged the letter etc. Wow! He must be a professional forger! Good job requires qualifications of a master in profession of forgeries.
Karma is just. One cannot make it vanish if he made it in the past or present. Fruition will come. Sooner or later. Fair and square. How can you know a fact Tai Situ forged the prediction letter? Were you present with him and witnessed that fact or somebody had told you about that? One has free will. One may do a choice. His future. Let it be. What one chooses, that one will have. So pick up. But pick up wisely. Don't blame others for bad karma fruition. It is consequence of your former choices.
I like your good heart and reasoning. You love Thaye Dorje and Shamar Rinpoche. That's good. Many, oh, multitude of Germans really loved Adolf Hitler and believed in his "GOOD INTENTIONS." What happened next, everybody knows from history books. If you love Thaye Dorje and his promotor Shamar Rinpoche then you should talk to them personally, ask as many questions as possible and learn from them. You and only you'll eat results of your together practice and study. Then no problem for you, OK?
Situ has only one thought, it's to take control of the KCT (money question!)! And this by creating disorder, fake letter etc.. And please Dalai-Lama, keep the place you had since centuries, never a Dalai Lama had said anything to the Karma Kagyu school when they had to choose a new Karmapa! Thayé Trinley Dorje, is the one and ONLY one Karmapa recognize now by the majority of the karma Kagyu school around the world!
Practice of Dharma has a purpose. Do you know the end of your practice, the final product? Why do you study and practice Dharma? Do you want Enlightenment? Paradise? What do you want from Thaye Dorje? Don't you want him to make you a Buddha, do you? Be very careful here. Keep pure practice, clean samayas with your teachers. Then you will succeed and get what you want, even Kingdom of GOD! But if there is falsehood in practice there won't be pleasant results. All will go down the tubes to hells.
Do as you please and attain what is coming at you, I mean, enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings under watchful eyes of all Buddhas. My advise will be: eat a peach or a tangerine. They will teach you more than you ever expected. Sure.
You know, if Tai Situ wants educated Buddhists to accept his recognition of "Karmapa" then it would probably help if he didn't take money from China, who supports Ugyen Trinley's recognition. Anyway, I love Karmapa (Thaye Dorje) and Shamar Rinpoche:), who both really are here to teach dharma. May all beings meet such perfect teachers.:)
I see no reason why there can not be two, Who says the incarnation cannot be shared, To argue and not accept that there can be a split Two is to say Buddhism is wrong, This of course is my understanding and spiritual sight such as it is,
Shamarpa m a volé ma force pour obtenir le pouvoir il m a laissée comme une légume à la merci de ceux qui me voulaient du mal c est à cause de lui que j ai été une pestiferee toute ma vie
The Dali Lama's recognition of the Karmapa is Not Required for the Karma Kagyu Lineage to install a new Karmapa. It is only an honour, and blessing. But I fully understand Tai Situ for choosing his own Karmapa and bowing to Chinese pressure. The high Rimpoches had to recognize Orgyn in order to support their monasteries they left behind in Tibet. It was not a matter of tradition it was a matter of survival and a way to hope with the Chinese oppression. Why cannot we be happy with two Karmapas?
I remember this, "under the sign of a cow" this confused the experts but even a chillum worshipper could figure this one out. There were traditional picturial map of Tibet with all the ethic groups drawn in regional costumes it was so common it was sold as a postcard. Well there is a couple with a cow south central Tibet and under this cow the 17th Kamapa was born. He later escaped to India. I think I saw him when he was 19 debating with other monks behind a wire fence Macleod Ganj and I hear from him 'nothing for me in this time', well that wasn't news to me; the first Kamapa had been a comtempory of Rechangpa. Millarepa still walks the earth.
At the same time many Lamas such as Tai Situ represents many, still in Tibet. In order to work in Tibet one must be supportive of China and their interests. Therefore its good to have a Karmpa that can help with that. In this way there is a Karmapa for everyone. One for you, and one for me, it's actually quite amazing how the Karmapa,with two emanations or reincarnations could do something so wonderful for all. We needn't to call anyone Demons or spread hate. This is not good Buddhist behaviour.
while his holiness dalai lama is the political head of tibet different schools of tibetan buddhism have their. supreme head no less in incarnation level as HH Dalai lama. the sakyas were the political head at one time and the phagmo dupa school at another time in the tibetan history. its a passing hisyorical phase. But incarnations like the karmapa is beyond our capacity to draw judgement. in which even Dalai lama cannot be counted as having the spiritual lugitimacy that his candidate alone is right. we humbly respect him and his karmapa and respect shamarpas karmapa as well. this will prove the greatness of the karmapa and also teach us a new lesson that different schools and masters have their own greatnesses beyond the power and position of the system that governs us now.
Both are the real karmapas'.....long live his holiness Orgyen Trinley Dorje la and Trinley Thaye Dorje la❤️💐🙇🏻♀️
#Karmapachenno
Dteringdorje, It is very kind of you to be concerned for new students; I've been practicing Buddhism for over 12 years. I rejoice in your devotion to dharma, but we need to remember that Buddha warned us against dogmatism. So if we are concerned for others, good, but seeming angry about the gurus they choose is probably unwise. Buddha did teach us to discover the ultimate nature of reality for ourselves; on the path we have to discern which teachers to follow; I cannot choose for each other.
Both karmapas were recognized by others when they were really young and had no choice but to take the title. So please consider the words you use!
Ps- It's a fact that Tai Situ forged the prediction letter!
In this false film they state there has never before been 2 Kamapas this is false , I might also add that Kamapa &Shamapa are the 2 highest Lamas of the Karma Kagyu
High ranking lamas will come and go ...... If there are two 17th Karmapas then I shall stand back and watch and listen to both 17th Karmapas. A real 17th Karmapa should preach peace, love, and wisdom. A real 17th Karmapa should not promote violence and preach hatred. The only teachings I learn is what Sakyamuni Buddha left behind. In reality of Buddhism, understanding the truth is up to you! High ranking lamas only can point out the truth but they are NOT "THE" TRUTH.
Im the real one
@@userjuha •••• You're a FAKE. Real Karmapa understands Buddha's teachings on EGO.
Dtsering, Karmapa (Thaye Dorje) was educated by high masters in the Kagyu lineage; he was educated primarily in India, having left Tibet when quite young. I think you are confusing him with the one Tai Situ found? The Tai Situ one WAS educated by the Chinese; he left Tibet when he was 20 something.... Look to be honest, I think it's good to go to teachings with both Karmapas and decide for yourself, if logistically possible.
ruclips.net/video/LWN3H6DWCQc/видео.html
I am an ordained monk in the Karma Kagyü lineage. My lama recognises Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Gyalwang Karmapa and therefore so do I. He has said nothing about two karmapas and I have not asked. Politics, the machinations of Mara, are not Dharma. I respect and trust my guru, will follow his instructions and take refuge only in the Three Jewels.
Dteringdorje, I appreciate your concern:) but the purpose of dharma is to attain Buddhahood for the sake of all sentient beings; we each may have different spiritual guides and there is nothing wrong with that. Buddhas emanate in many forms. I understand that some people are devoted to different gurus. I think the Buddhas will safeguard our practice so that we will go to enlightenment; after all they are infinitely compassionate and omniscient; they will help as much as possible; we just try
( MOTIVATION ) Motivation gone wrong everything goes wrong.... Spiritual and politic is completely two different thing you cannot mix together. The result of all this is now in front of you.
Karma will destroy a false Karmapa.
ruclips.net/video/LWN3H6DWCQc/видео.html
I can think of nothing better for beings than attaining the state of Buddhahood; Then I thank you for your prediction that my realisation will be similar to Thaye Dorje's:). That would be lovely. Karmapa chenno! May your path lead you to Vajradhara's state as well:). Over and out Dtesring:)
Kelly Inman
mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion.
this is a bias video supporting situ rinpoche's candidate;what one fails to take into account is that the institution of the shamarpa is cardinal and viz viz plays a most important role in the say for the candidature of the karmapa lineage
I wrote name "demon" next to Thaye Dorje in accord with prediction of ancient Yogi Chogyur Lingpa who named all emanations of Dusum Khyempa, First Karmapa until last 26 emanations of this awoken Buddha-Bodhisattva. Chogyur Lingpa predicted name of 17th Karmapa as Ugyen. He said also about second Karmapa as incarnation of a demon, who will cause shism in Sangha of Lamas, monks and nuns and laymen included. There is only one emanation mentioned in letter of 16 Karmapa. It's Ugyen Trinley Dorje.
I like what u have wrote. It makes me clear about the controversy of The Karmapa. Thanks for such a clear comments.
dtseringdorje
you bull shit Dorjey Shugden’s student don’t know any thing that who is the 16 Karmapa’s real reincarnation because recently H. H. Dalai Lama said that there are can be more then one Karmapa’s reincarnation....
@@lobzangdolma9794 We will see.
ruclips.net/video/LWN3H6DWCQc/видео.html
Any body who read ancient texts can copy and paste name Urgyen. Nothing special about that.
May two Karmapas resolved the controversy. Both are victims of the system..
#5:48 Actually the 16th Karmapa was the 17th, the prophecy was talking about the invasion of Tibet by the Chinese communist government. Since one of candidate was appointed by the Chinese government, the prediction of almost extermination of Karma Kagyu lineage is manifesting now.
True. Also there will be 21 Karmapa incarnation. This ist how IT was prophicised
If your Teacher is Thaye Dorje then your realisation will be similar to his own. A pupil cannot be greater than his or her master. I wish you to become a keen eyed master yourself, to discern truth from falsehood, get karmic purification and to attain Buddha Way for fulfilling vows and samayas you took with Thaye Dorje, your beloved guru. Good luck, then.
People saying His Holiness Dalai Lama is supreme head of buddhism are living in illusion. He is Rimpoche with political power in Tibet. His Holiness is not even head of Gelugpa. Gaden Thripa is head of Gelug School.
If prediction letter was right, y didn’t forensically tested. It was as simple as that.
Having said that I don’t argue that Urgyen Thinley Dorji not karmapa. He might be. Just politics and selfishness of rimpoches screwed two young monks lives…
Shamapa has always recognised the reincarnations of Kamapa , the Dali Lama has never previously done this he was duped
Thanks for your comment. First I think that in chat rooms, sms, blogs,ect writing in all capital letters is considered to be yelling and rude. Yelling never drives a point home. I think you missed my point. I have chosen a Karmapa. But I am happy that there are two. Most western Buddhists can't accept a Karmapa that is approved by the same people who destroyed Tibet, Communist China. Therefore its good to have a Karmapa that can work for those of us in the west that the 16th Karmapa inspired...
I believe in his holiness the Dalai Lama.
what about if both r not real.
Shamarpa kheno long live stay long
YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS: TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD. YOU WILL LOVE THE FIRST AND HATE THE OTHER. THIS IS THE LAW OF KARMA. FOR TRUTH YOU WILL BE REWARDED. FOR FALSEHOOD YOU WILL BE PUNISHED. NOW YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE. CHOSE WISELY. IN THE END OF THIS CIRCUS YAMA WAITS AND WILL EXAM US ALL. SOME GO UP WHEREAS OTHERS WILL GO DOWN, NO?
Happy reading, i kept it as short as possible:
Keep in mind that KARMA has nothing to do with fate, and has nearly everything to do with belief, because out of your belief, you act, and your actions will cause effects, which then come up to bother you and maybe even others, nothing is working separately, everything is connected, the only truth at this point is KARMA itself, not what reward or punishment is, it rises out of karma, whether you end up with a good feeling as reward or a bad feeling as punishment, which in first line is not so clear, because as some know in Dhammapada: "Milk needs time to spoil, and create bad taste, so does bad actions seem like honey for the fool in the first place, but turn out as disasterous effects later."
Now the next thing is, BAD and GOOD are subjective opinions about a situation or an action, so whether to decide if it is good or bad is all up to the viewer who in most cases have foggy-brained minds.
As Lama Ole stated, the true Karmapa will be revealed in time, there is too much controversy going on, and too many people trusting in their version of Karmapa that the true one is hidden for now.
One thing is clear, just one is able to perform the Black Crown Ceremony with effect, this would reveal it later.
Little note: when Karmapa, i speak of Trinley Thaye Dorje, was born, after he learned to speak, never hearing the word Karmapa, he supposedly said, that he is Karmapa, which, according to tradition, the Karmapa reveals itself by calling himself out aswell, not just by other lamas, who search for reincarnated masters, someday some Chinese governmental guys came up to his parents house, and asked for that talented boy, who could go with them to China in order to get exquisit education, which the father refused. In this case even the Chinese government, who may know of the true Karmapa wanted to eliminate the probability of the true Karmapa to be revealed later as the second one, so only one was on the throne and no more revolting Tibetans.
Only that HH the Dalai Lama says, Urgyen is the Karmapa, doesnt mean he is the Karmapa, HH the Dalai Lama is with his tradition in the Mahayana tradition, not in the Kagyu school, what means, what does he even have to say in this situation? Just because he is the political head of Tibet doesnt mean he is the head of all traditions.
I think he wasnt properly introduced into this topic and spoke a halting "yes", when he was asked if he could approve the Karmapa.
As i said minds can be pretty foggy, what media tells, is told by those who listen, and listeners can be betrayed, only those, who betray, know whats going on, so media is no good way of telling stories, because you can be betrayed sooo easily. But there are ways of proofing fake data, if something doesnt align, there must be an error in it, is this the case with Trinley Thaye Dorje´s recognition or is it the case with Urgyen Trinley Dorje´s? What media tells can be true, but also can be wrong.
That seems stupid now, but if I look at both Karmapa´s pictures, Trinley Thaye Dorje just really seems right, even when I first heared of Karmapa, and there are two of those, and not even knowing at this point who those really were, no idea what it is with that, may be subjective, may be nothing similar.
As Buddha stated: Dont believe everything I say, because I said it, test it out yourself.
Let intuition guide you, not fear, not belief, for now, find your own true Karmapa, seems stupid, but i can repeat, just because someone has someones blessing and approval, doesnt mean he is right.
The more someone wants to be right, the more he is not. Because the truth doesnt need to be right, in order to exist. Its like someone sells you an empty glass of jelly-jam saying that this is the most delicious jam around the globe. -which in this case isnt, because the glass is empty :PPP
What is this nonsense? What does this tradition add to the teachings of Buddha Shakyamuni? nothing.
Dtseringdorje, I hardly think there is any basis of comparison between Karmapa (Thaye Dorje)/Shamar Rinpoche and Hitler. I have been to teachings, empowerments and had many personal dialogues with both Karmapa and Rinpoche, and they are both perfect teachers for me, teaching how to raise bodhichitta, receive blessings, and examine for ourselves what is true. They are here, in my opinion, only to help beings. Hitler, on the contrary, committed genocide, and involved much of the world in war.
Your answer about Karmapa Thaye Dorje & Sharmapa, is the answer of an ignorant pig from the Cnt of the Wheel .Wake up ignoramus
Have you eaten a peach or a tangerine?
Causing a breaking, division and a falsehood in a Sangha is a one of five deadly sins. According to Lord Buddha's words this is a cause for a rebirth in Avici Hell. So it's a bad business for everyone, who commits such an offense. As to practitioners who worry about purity of the Karmapa's linage and survival of pure Buddhadharma in this world, i suggest to keep your own mind clear and not allowing anybody to enter with a mack on his boots to your hearts. Eat well, shit well and sleep well, OK?
Chap so cha Rinpoche 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹
What is Buddhahood and how do you want to attain that? My Tibetan Teacher Geshe Khenrab Gajam Tobgye told me I should observe teachers for at least 12 years until I decide about who is my so called guru. Also a teacher should observe a student at least for 6 years until he decide to teach him or her Dharma. Dharma is serious matter and may be dangerous if practiced in wrong ways. I want to warn you about dangers of false teachers and futile practice of naive students believing flowers on sky.
dtseringdorje
I know that you are one of the group of Gay lhug Dorjey Shugden. So why you worry about Kagyud Lamas?
Some say Tai Situ forged the letter etc. Wow! He must be a professional forger! Good job requires qualifications of a master in profession of forgeries.
Hello Wise Owl. There is no hell for now.
Wait everything will come true.
Excatly. Just look at whose the best in the Happines Ranking
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Karma is just. One cannot make it vanish if he made it in the past or present. Fruition will come. Sooner or later. Fair and square. How can you know a fact Tai Situ forged the prediction letter? Were you present with him and witnessed that fact or somebody had told you about that? One has free will. One may do a choice. His future. Let it be. What one chooses, that one will have. So pick up. But pick up wisely. Don't blame others for bad karma fruition. It is consequence of your former choices.
I like your good heart and reasoning. You love Thaye Dorje and Shamar Rinpoche. That's good. Many, oh, multitude of Germans really loved Adolf Hitler and believed in his "GOOD INTENTIONS." What happened next, everybody knows from history books. If you love Thaye Dorje and his promotor Shamar Rinpoche then you should talk to them personally, ask as many questions as possible and learn from them. You and only you'll eat results of your together practice and study. Then no problem for you, OK?
dtseringdorje ....you are comparing Shamar Rinpochee to Adolf Hitler... why would you want to display your ignorance on a social media...lol...
Situ has only one thought, it's to take control of the KCT (money question!)! And this by creating disorder, fake letter etc..
And please Dalai-Lama, keep the place you had since centuries, never a Dalai Lama had said anything to the Karma Kagyu school when they had to choose a new Karmapa!
Thayé Trinley Dorje, is the one and ONLY one Karmapa recognize now by the majority of the karma Kagyu school around the world!
Practice of Dharma has a purpose. Do you know the end of your practice, the final product? Why do you study and practice Dharma? Do you want Enlightenment? Paradise? What do you want from Thaye Dorje? Don't you want him to make you a Buddha, do you? Be very careful here. Keep pure practice, clean samayas with your teachers. Then you will succeed and get what you want, even Kingdom of GOD! But if there is falsehood in practice there won't be pleasant results. All will go down the tubes to hells.
come on, before naming his Karmacandidate "Urgyen" of cause Situpa had read the Chögyur Lingpa prophecy - so where's the proof in that?
Do as you please and attain what is coming at you, I mean, enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings under watchful eyes of all Buddhas. My advise will be: eat a peach or a tangerine. They will teach you more than you ever expected. Sure.
You know, if Tai Situ wants educated Buddhists to accept his recognition of "Karmapa" then it would probably help if he didn't take money from China, who supports Ugyen Trinley's recognition. Anyway, I love Karmapa (Thaye Dorje) and Shamar Rinpoche:), who both really are here to teach dharma. May all beings meet such perfect teachers.:)
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Seems Chogyur Lingpa’s vision was not true because recently H. H. 14 Dalai Lama said that there are can be more then one Karma’s real reincarnations.
I see no reason why there can not be two, Who says the incarnation cannot be shared, To argue and not accept that there can be a split Two is to say Buddhism is wrong, This of course is my understanding and spiritual sight such as it is,
Shamarpa m a volé ma force pour obtenir le pouvoir il m a laissée comme une légume à la merci de ceux qui me voulaient du mal c est à cause de lui que j ai été une pestiferee toute ma vie
Its all start from situ
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喇嘛教不是真正的佛教，喇嘛教也無真正佛法的解脫道（二乘佛法；出離三界 入涅槃）與佛菩提道（大乘佛法、世出世間法；成佛之道）。在佛教真正的法師，以傳授解脫道與佛菩提道，為一生中最主要、也是唯一的工作。不沾染--『世俗的名譽、地位、金錢、政權鬥爭』。佛法是要『實證』的法；二乘解脫道分成 初果須陀洹、二果斯陀洹、三果阿那含、四果阿羅漢入涅槃。大乘佛法以觸證第八識心如來藏（涅槃），而不入涅槃，明心、眼見佛性-歷經佛法五十二階位的聞、思、修、證，邁向成佛之道。 釋迦牟尼佛在西元2550多年前，拋棄王位，在菩提樹下觸證第八識心如來藏後，明心、眼見佛性，轉八識為四智。五時三教三轉法輪（非喇嘛教信眾的轉動經輪，那是愚癡與無智、無意義）講述解脫道與佛菩提道，確立『三界唯心（第八識心如來藏、阿賴耶識），萬法唯識（八識心王）』為主、不變的真諦。以《心經》《金剛經》顯示第八識心如來藏的真實性。喇嘛教否認 世尊的經教，而以第六識-意識心為根本，謊稱喇嘛教（譚崔密教；男女性雜交）與血腥的巫術是真正佛教、佛法，將喇嘛教中的鬼神都帶上佛教 佛菩薩的面具，欺騙世界與佛教的信眾。這是歷代譚崔密教祖師、達賴喇嘛邪惡作為。
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