I have personally "gone over" a lot of the studies you mentioned and concurre with what you're saying. I look after thousands of sheep that come from many places and only had 2 cases of barber pole in 7 years. Our x factor is, we graze in a arid climate and worm once a year. Sheep are moved every day in the beginning of the grazing season.
I have had a tremendous success so far with trifecta!!! Animals are looking noticeably great!!! Quick question I put a few ewes in with buck that I got up to verbazen level of trifecta. By virtue of him halfway tearing the barn down..If they have been covered already is it ok to hit them with the copper sulfate. You mentioned the verbazen needs to happen prior to breeding. Sorry for so many questions. Your information has been incredibly helpful to us here and I appreciate your selfless approach to helping all of the animals -
Hello, Cody. Thanks for the message and we are glad things are working well for you. The females shouldn’t have valbazen during pregnancy because it can lead to fetal development issues, birth defects, and in some cases abortion. Most of the scientific literature states this is most dangerous during the first trimester but advise against giving it any time during pregnancy. If they have been covered with the Dectomax already and are looking good, I think you should be safe to go ahead with the copper sulfate and avoid the valbazen all together. The benefit of valbazen, especially with the young lambs and kids, is that it works against tape worms. Your BEST bet would be to follow the protocol but replace the valbazen with safeguard. We like valbazen better but safeguard will work without any worry of defects. 👍🏻
Thanks for the explanation about the worms and alternatives. I've used a 50/50 solution of organic apple cider vinegar with the mother and water, 3 times a day, successfully for barbers pole worms
So thankful for your videos! Wish I would have found you 3 years earlier. I have always wondered what farmers used to use before chemicals. Is the copper sulfate specific to killing certain worms, or all?
Have you heard of Molly's Herbals? I think i may have mentioned it on another video. She makes an effective worm formula using wormwood. It's not cheap, though. Thanks for the info on garlic (i thought that one was an old wives' tale, like the DE as a wormer) and the copper sulfate! I don't like using the ivermectin, I'm so paranoid about accidental overdose or not giving enough and creating a resistance problem.
Most herbal wormers are not effective to the point they can be used as a reliable source of worming. We have blended our own herbal wormer using wormwood and other herbs and used it over the course of 2 years tracking a chemical worming group and a herbal group. While the use of herbals does “help” there isn’t enough data to support its use alone as a reasonable option. We aren’t against herbal wormers, they just don’t work as well as chemical wormers on a consistent level. We wish this wasn’t the case. Ivermectin is one of the safest over the counter medications with a large therapeutic window (it would take a huge amount to cause toxicity). You are correct about the importance of proper dosing or you can definitely end up with a worse problem than you started with. If you should decide to go with herbal worming, you can buy the herbs and mix it yourself for a fraction of the cost.
This is such a great video. Makes me realize what don't know! "Tannins" ...would you give that in addition to copper sulfate? How would you administer it?
Hello! Tannins occur naturally in tree bark, wood, leaves, buds, stems, fruits, seeds, and roots. Many people who graze animals where they have the opportunity to chew on saplings, tree bark, etc... can benefit from tannins. We encourage people with goats to let them “clean up” wooded areas from time to time to get this additional benefit. Green and black tea have high levels of tannins along with red raspberry extract. Willow bark does as well, however salicin inside willow bark works the same as aspirin so we do not recommend it’s usage. We have customers that mix up a gallon of green or black tea and add it to their animals water once a week. We feel this is an easy and safe way to add some extra tannic acid/tannins to your goat/sheep diet.
Are you aware or have information on whether or not the copper sulphate, when applied to goats also aids thier copper requirement? Thanks love your videos!
Hello, Bucky. Copper sulfate does not aid in copper requirements for the goats. This is a good and bad thing. The copper sulfate is not absorbed well and this allows us to effectively treat animals with copper toxicity issues such as sheep. The bad news is, it doesn’t help out your goat’s copper requirements.
@@LinessaFarms I sure appreciate the response. Love your content. Is bolus then the only real answer to copper suppliment or are there any other options you would reccomend. The reason I ask is jts extremely hard for me to acquire it here in northern Canada. Thanks again you warned a fan.
@@sidepocket4 you might try ordering from Jeffers or similar livestock supply companies. I don't know if there are custom duty fees, but I know they have the copper bonuses in stock. I order the larger cow/calf size & split as needed.
@sidepocket4 HI. I realize your comment was a year ago but just in case you're still having trouble finding copper boluses, Backwood Goatsbinthem Alberta sells them.
Hi Tim paul from australia. I have just noticed that there are different copper sulphate solutions. copper sulfate monohydrate, copper sulfate pentahydrate, and copper sulfate anhydrous. Dose it matter which one I use and also our some of our sheep have bottle jaw (heavy worm load) is it OK to still use this at this stage? Thanks
@@annkat893 hi Ann you can buy the copper sulfate pentahydrate from bunnings in the plant section. It has worked really well for us along with the amprolium we use for coccidiosis
@@paulbent4424 G'day paul , you mentioned to ann kat that you use copper sulfate pentahydrate along with the amprolium you use for coccidiosis where can i buy the amprolium and the dose and how is the amprolium mix, all so do you drench it to the sheep, please reply i will be grateful for your kindinformation thanks
What about copper sulfate in animal feed? Our local feed store sells an all stock feed that looks good for sheep, except it has copper sulfate as an ingredient. I had always heard that copper was bad for sheep and have avoided it. But if this form of copper isn't toxic as a 1% drench, then is it okay to be in the feed?
I don’t know why they would have copper sulfate in their feed. That would be a great question for them. It’s not the same and I would not assume it would offer you any benefit against worming. I would not advise this but maybe they know something I don’t. We go off the university studies and what they give and their advised route of administration. I would have no supportive studies or evidence to give you an educated answer about or to advise you to feed copper sulfate.
Hello, Corey and thank you for watching our videos! Yes. It’s a lot. Probably the biggest drawback. Most oral drench guns are 30 ml so you’ll have to give it a few times. The next question some people ask is if we can make it more concentrated and give half the dose. I don’t have an educated answer for that so I won’t even give my opinion. I am following the University of Kentucky study which was based off 100ml of 1% solution. Although the study doesn’t say why the dosage was set at this level, I have to assume there is a good reason. I would assume the larger dosage is to aid in absorption in the intestines. Hope this helps. We will be putting out a video very soon on making your own copper sulfate solution and drenching.
@@LinessaFarms Thank you for a quick response and well-explained answer. Look forward to learning more from u. As I'm in the very beginning stages of learning about sheep farming.
There is zero scientific evidence to back this up, however if you want to try it isn’t going to hurt anything. While diatomaceous earth can work externally on pests with hard exoskeletons, it does not work on internal parasites such as worms and it does not work when wet. Again, if you want to try it, let us know how it works for you. Thanks for watching.
Hello, Lisa. Thank you very much for watching our videos! Yes. There are no noted contraindications or warnings about giving the copper sulfate drench to pregnant does or ewes. As a side note regarding wormers and pregnancy, don’t ever give Valbazen to pregnant does or ewes as it can cause abortion and/or birth defects. I don’t know if you use chemical wormers but it’s a good bit of info to have. 👍🏻
Plantains are not natural wormers for goats. While plantains are a nutritious food source and can be part of a goat's diet, they do not have specific properties that act as natural wormers or dewormers.
Yes. You are correct. We have come a long way since we got started and have invested in microphones and better camera equipment. We are in the process of re-recording some of our old videos but it’s taking time. Sorry about this.
Thank you for watching our videos. We are constantly trying to improve the quality of our videos. We appreciate your feedback and are actively working to increase the volume and clarity of our audio.
I love this stuff learn more and more I bought like 530 to check for worms 🪱 🐛 but I bought a book also am super excited about check for worms the right way and doing it my self. I was going to the vet and bring a sample and they did it so fast that their was no way they where doing it the way you showed us and I thank you. For that sir
You’re very welcome. Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind comment. Most clinics will not centrifuge samples and the samples are therefore not nearly as accurate.
Thanks. Good information
I have personally "gone over" a lot of the studies you mentioned and concurre with what you're saying. I look after thousands of sheep that come from many places and only had 2 cases of barber pole in 7 years. Our x factor is, we graze in a arid climate and worm once a year. Sheep are moved every day in the beginning of the grazing season.
Thank you for explaining about worms. Better and cheaper alternatives are always welcomed. We want the best for our animals.
Thanks for watching, Steve. We appreciate you taking the time to leave us a message and watching our videos.
We shall try it out and see the results
As a goat owner I found and love your videos..so informative! Thanks. Subscribing now.🙂
That’s wonderful! Thank you very much for watching our videos.
I have had a tremendous success so far with trifecta!!! Animals are looking noticeably great!!! Quick question I put a few ewes in with buck that I got up to verbazen level of trifecta. By virtue of him halfway tearing the barn down..If they have been covered already is it ok to hit them with the copper sulfate. You mentioned the verbazen needs to happen prior to breeding. Sorry for so many questions. Your information has been incredibly helpful to us here and I appreciate your selfless approach to helping all of the animals -
Hello, Cody. Thanks for the message and we are glad things are working well for you. The females shouldn’t have valbazen during pregnancy because it can lead to fetal development issues, birth defects, and in some cases abortion. Most of the scientific literature states this is most dangerous during the first trimester but advise against giving it any time during pregnancy. If they have been covered with the Dectomax already and are looking good, I think you should be safe to go ahead with the copper sulfate and avoid the valbazen all together. The benefit of valbazen, especially with the young lambs and kids, is that it works against tape worms. Your BEST bet would be to follow the protocol but replace the valbazen with safeguard. We like valbazen better but safeguard will work without any worry of defects. 👍🏻
Thanks for the explanation about the worms and alternatives. I've used a 50/50 solution of organic apple cider vinegar with the mother and water, 3 times a day, successfully for barbers pole worms
Thanks for commenting. 😬
How much?
So thankful for your videos! Wish I would have found you 3 years earlier. I have always wondered what farmers used to use before chemicals. Is the copper sulfate specific to killing certain worms, or all?
The copper sulfate is specific to most intestinal worms with the exception of tape worms. It is very effective against the dreaded barbers pole worm.
@@LinessaFarms thanks for responding!
Have you heard of Molly's Herbals? I think i may have mentioned it on another video. She makes an effective worm formula using wormwood. It's not cheap, though.
Thanks for the info on garlic (i thought that one was an old wives' tale, like the DE as a wormer) and the copper sulfate! I don't like using the ivermectin, I'm so paranoid about accidental overdose or not giving enough and creating a resistance problem.
Most herbal wormers are not effective to the point they can be used as a reliable source of worming. We have blended our own herbal wormer using wormwood and other herbs and used it over the course of 2 years tracking a chemical worming group and a herbal group. While the use of herbals does “help” there isn’t enough data to support its use alone as a reasonable option. We aren’t against herbal wormers, they just don’t work as well as chemical wormers on a consistent level. We wish this wasn’t the case.
Ivermectin is one of the safest over the counter medications with a large therapeutic window (it would take a huge amount to cause toxicity). You are correct about the importance of proper dosing or you can definitely end up with a worse problem than you started with.
If you should decide to go with herbal worming, you can buy the herbs and mix it yourself for a fraction of the cost.
This is such a great video. Makes me realize what don't know! "Tannins" ...would you give that in addition to copper sulfate? How would you administer it?
Hello! Tannins occur naturally in tree bark, wood, leaves, buds, stems, fruits, seeds, and roots. Many people who graze animals where they have the opportunity to chew on saplings, tree bark, etc... can benefit from tannins. We encourage people with goats to let them “clean up” wooded areas from time to time to get this additional benefit. Green and black tea have high levels of tannins along with red raspberry extract. Willow bark does as well, however salicin inside willow bark works the same as aspirin so we do not recommend it’s usage.
We have customers that mix up a gallon of green or black tea and add it to their animals water once a week. We feel this is an easy and safe way to add some extra tannic acid/tannins to your goat/sheep diet.
Black tea has the highest tannin concentration and the longer you steep it, the better.
How many tea bags per gallon would you use?
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Are you aware or have information on whether or not the copper sulphate, when applied to goats also aids thier copper requirement? Thanks love your videos!
Hello, Bucky. Copper sulfate does not aid in copper requirements for the goats. This is a good and bad thing. The copper sulfate is not absorbed well and this allows us to effectively treat animals with copper toxicity issues such as sheep. The bad news is, it doesn’t help out your goat’s copper requirements.
@@LinessaFarms I sure appreciate the response. Love your content. Is bolus then the only real answer to copper suppliment or are there any other options you would reccomend. The reason I ask is jts extremely hard for me to acquire it here in northern Canada. Thanks again you warned a fan.
@@sidepocket4 you might try ordering from Jeffers or similar livestock supply companies. I don't know if there are custom duty fees, but I know they have the copper bonuses in stock. I order the larger cow/calf size & split as needed.
@sidepocket4 HI. I realize your comment was a year ago but just in case you're still having trouble finding copper boluses, Backwood Goatsbinthem Alberta sells them.
Hi Tim paul from australia. I have just noticed that there are different copper sulphate solutions. copper sulfate monohydrate, copper sulfate pentahydrate, and copper sulfate anhydrous. Dose it matter which one I use and also our some of our sheep have bottle jaw (heavy worm load) is it OK to still use this at this stage? Thanks
Hi, Paul. I sent you an email regarding this with a few links. We use the blue copper sulfate crystals.
Would have loved an answer to this also. Can I assume the others then aren’t blue crystals? Anni also from Australia
@@annkat893 hi Ann you can buy the copper sulfate pentahydrate from bunnings in the plant section. It has worked really well for us along with the amprolium we use for coccidiosis
@@annkat893 Manutec 500g Copper Sulphate soluble
@@paulbent4424 G'day paul , you mentioned to ann kat that you use copper sulfate pentahydrate along with the amprolium you use for coccidiosis where can i buy the amprolium and the dose and how is the amprolium mix, all so do you drench it to the sheep, please reply i will be grateful for your kindinformation thanks
What about copper sulfate in animal feed? Our local feed store sells an all stock feed that looks good for sheep, except it has copper sulfate as an ingredient. I had always heard that copper was bad for sheep and have avoided it. But if this form of copper isn't toxic as a 1% drench, then is it okay to be in the feed?
I don’t know why they would have copper sulfate in their feed. That would be a great question for them. It’s not the same and I would not assume it would offer you any benefit against worming. I would not advise this but maybe they know something I don’t. We go off the university studies and what they give and their advised route of administration. I would have no supportive studies or evidence to give you an educated answer about or to advise you to feed copper sulfate.
Enjoy your videos and knowledge. Now you drench adult sheep with 100 ml all in one dose?
Hello, Corey and thank you for watching our videos! Yes. It’s a lot. Probably the biggest drawback. Most oral drench guns are 30 ml so you’ll have to give it a few times. The next question some people ask is if we can make it more concentrated and give half the dose. I don’t have an educated answer for that so I won’t even give my opinion. I am following the University of Kentucky study which was based off 100ml of 1% solution. Although the study doesn’t say why the dosage was set at this level, I have to assume there is a good reason. I would assume the larger dosage is to aid in absorption in the intestines. Hope this helps. We will be putting out a video very soon on making your own copper sulfate solution and drenching.
@@LinessaFarms Thank you for a quick response and well-explained answer. Look forward to learning more from u. As I'm in the very beginning stages of learning about sheep farming.
We found a 50 ml syringe on amizon. Works great!
My mate, struggled with Barber poll for years and year. He started using Diotanacious earth and for years following he stopped losing his sheep. 🤔🤔
There is zero scientific evidence to back this up, however if you want to try it isn’t going to hurt anything. While diatomaceous earth can work externally on pests with hard exoskeletons, it does not work on internal parasites such as worms and it does not work when wet. Again, if you want to try it, let us know how it works for you. Thanks for watching.
Is it safe to use copper sulfate in pregnant does?
Hello, Lisa. Thank you very much for watching our videos! Yes. There are no noted contraindications or warnings about giving the copper sulfate drench to pregnant does or ewes.
As a side note regarding wormers and pregnancy, don’t ever give Valbazen to pregnant does or ewes as it can cause abortion and/or birth defects. I don’t know if you use chemical wormers but it’s a good bit of info to have. 👍🏻
DO I TREAT all for barber pole worm
If you are wanting to get everyone started on copper sulfate, I would go ahead and treat everyone.
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I have heard that plantain is a natural wormer for sheep and goats, Any truth to that?
Plantains are not natural wormers for goats. While plantains are a nutritious food source and can be part of a goat's diet, they do not have specific properties that act as natural wormers or dewormers.
The sound quality on this video was horrible.
Yes. You are correct. We have come a long way since we got started and have invested in microphones and better camera equipment. We are in the process of re-recording some of our old videos but it’s taking time. Sorry about this.
The voice is not all that clear
Thank you for watching our videos. We are constantly trying to improve the quality of our videos. We appreciate your feedback and are actively working to increase the volume and clarity of our audio.
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I love this stuff learn more and more I bought like 530 to check for worms 🪱 🐛 but I bought a book also am super excited about check for worms the right way and doing it my self.
I was going to the vet and bring a sample and they did it so fast that their was no way they where doing it the way you showed us and I thank you. For that sir
You’re very welcome. Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind comment. Most clinics will not centrifuge samples and the samples are therefore not nearly as accurate.