Do Christians, Jews, & Muslims Share the Same God of the Old Testament?
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2024
- Excerpt from "The Mystery of Christ - Lesson 3: The Mystery of Christ: An Athonite Catechism - Theophanies (Manifestations) of the Fleshless Logos (Word): The Son as Creator" by Fr. Peter Heers
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Short answer to the video’s title: No.
I'd go a little further and mention I believe the two other religions' eschatological figures, the mahdi of the muslims and the mashiach of the jews perfectly fit our description of the "Man of Lawlessness".
Or in Russian, нет.
Thank you. I second that.
@@slowboywhiteboardv4even though what’s even funny is that Christianity fulfilled Judaism. So essentially we Christian’s and Jews are pretty much brothers. Same Yeshua we worship not the fake isa in the Quran nor their Allah which is Satan Quran 3:54. 😂
@@Valkaze111Judaism post AD 70 has no relation to the Second Temple era or earlier. Instead it is a reaction to Orthodox Christianity. No, we are not brethren.
A verse for people that say Jews and Christians worship the same God -
1 John 2:23 - "Whoever denies the Son does NOT have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."
The j3 w$ deny the Son.
Technically they are. But, and here is the big thing, sometimes people are unhappy with things about God like commandmends or ideas . When this happens the man has two optionsȘ to change himself or to create a version of God that fits its own desires. Jews did this. So the anser is a bit more complicate. They do not worhip the same God in the same way catholics and protestants do not. On the other hand islam is a completely separate religion
@@Gigi-ho2qk If I am confused the apostles were too. Enlighten us
Jesus Christ is the only one and true Lord. Those that believe in him will be saved those that reject his glory will be lost. There is no other except our Lord and savior Jesus Christ
God bless your message father Heers. Glory to the triune God. Glory to the father and to the son and to the Holy Spirit now and ever and unto the ages amen ☦️ Κύριοι σου Χριστέ ελέησον με
Those that dishonor the Son dishonor the Father.
I answered the question before listening to your blessed explanation, Father.
thank you.
God the Creator is one for all. The view of God is what is different in every religion. Pray that one day every human being will believe in the true God Jesus Christ.
Oh, they will. “Every knee shall bow.”
NO.
Thanks for the explanation, Father Peter.
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Rly sad there even has to be a video addressing this. I go to a Catholic high school and I’ve always been irked by the insane claim that we worship the God of the Muslims. The easiest way to refute this is by asking, “If (hypothetically) a demon were to come to me and tell me that he is the one God of Abraham, and I were to falsely believe him and worship him, does that mean I’m worshiping the God of Abraham? Of course not. The fact that I believe I am worshiping the God of Abraham or claim to worship the God of Abraham is irrelevant. This is exactly the case with the Muslims and Jews, obviously they claim that they are both worshiping the God of the Old Testament, but they are in delusion. Much love to you all at Orthodox ethos, y’all have helped me as a young teen to navigate these confusing times. God bless☦️
Good analogy. God bless ☦️
It's because the small hats have been pushing the false narrative that all religions worhsip the same god when it is false doctrine.
Glory be to God. Thank you for the clarification and teachings Father.
Everyone who says yes is a combination of an Arian and Nestorian. The idea behind this falsehood of "Abrahamic religion" is that the God of Abraham is The Father alone. Which contradicts what Christ himself said in the Gospels.
To deny that Jesus is the God of Abraham is to believe that he is not eternal, because you deny his existence in the old testament, and believe he only became God during his earthly ministry. Which is of course, Anathema.
For because old Mo' piggy backed off what was already established then profits off others ignorance.
Lord, have mercy on us all. 😔
Ty Fr. Peter.
Great analysis Father, congrats. Thanks you.
Father where can we find the Chant at the end of the video (Axion Estin)?
Amen Glory to God
When a headline ends in a question mark the answer is always no.
Fr. Heers, what does it mean when the logos/christ is called an Angel of the Lord? I'm trying to understand in what sense or in what way he is perceived as an angel while also being uncreated and much higher than angels. Or if you can direct me to writings on this topic. Thank you.
Angel is malak in Hebrew, it means Messenger. St. John the Baptist is called a malak in Malachi 3:1 and is dipicted with wings in his icon. Long story short, Jesus is the Angel of the Lord but Angel doesn’t mean a created angel.
Read Exodus 23:20-27. The Angel of the LORD is the pre-incarnate Christ. Get the Orthodox Study Bible if you can for a further unpacking. There is also an OSB app where you can search the Holy Bible by word etc.
If you pop in the word Angel and then read all the passages that mention the Angel of the Lord you will begin to see the revelation of Christ in the Old Testament. Godspeed!
MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER I AM 38 HANSEN ALL WAR EFFORTS NEED TO STOP NOW!!!!!
Thank you very much for your ministry. Perhaps this is quite unrelated but i feel like my spiritual father may not answer me the following question. Given the lack of a proper Orhodox temple in my city, the spiritual father in charge of our community of catechumens and proper Orthodox Christians will visit us in the following months in order to teach, dispense the Mysteries and celebrate the Divine Liturgy. The thing is.. he said that we might need a borrowed space in a Episcoapal Church or a Roman Catholic Chapel. Is this ok?
Orthodox have shared Church buildings when necessary for hundreds of years.
Father Peter, is the appearance of the Captain of the Armies of Heaven to the Prophet Joshua, an example of a Theophany? I’ve seen commentary that it was and others that it was the Archangel Michael. Similarly, the Angel who judged the Hebrews and Egyptians during the First Passover: I’ve also seen where it was the Preincarnate Logos or the Archangel Michael. What do the Fathers say?
In both cases it's the Word?
It cannot be Saint Michael since Joshua bows down and worships him. As we see in the book of revelation, when Saint John bows down to an angel, the angel tells him to not do such a thing since him, the prophets and Saint John are servants of God.
Meaning the angel that Saint John falsely bowed down to was a creature. While the Angel that Joshua (and Balaam) bowed down to was Divine ie. The second person of the Holy Trinity.
Saint Justin Martyr also affirms that the captain of the Lord's army is the preincarnate Christ
The Commander of the Lord's army is the preincarnate Word. Notice He says to Joshua to take off his shoes for he stands on Holy ground. This is the same thing the Angel of the Lord tells Moses at the burning bush and that Angel is called Yahweh.
@@andys3035 Yup. Exactly right
If three people say three different things about God, at best, only one can be right.
@CameronB: AXIOS ☦️‼️
Thank you so much. We are lied so much in media and academia.
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Wait so what was the reason that The Prophets spoke with The Son and not The Father?
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Drew's?
It is sad that these videos need to be made over and over, but they really do
It is not given to fools to perceive the wisdom of God
They worship neither the same god nor a completely different god
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19. Surah Maryam (Mary)
88. And they say: "The Most Beneficent has begotten a son
89. Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing.
90. Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins,
91. That they ascribe a son to the Most Beneficent.
92. But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent that He should beget a son .
93. There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent as a slave.
94. Verily, He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting.
95. And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection .
Muslims do say Allah can’t have a Son without a consort.
Then who do they worship?
if you understand the totality of islam you will see they worship the evil one. the great trickster.
@@BaikalTii wouldn’t that mean that all Muslims and Jewish people are all evil and twisted? I know their are many that are peaceful loving people
@@zachcarpenter-tf8ln
Being "good" is not at the same as being holy. Being good may be the aim of the religions, it is not the end or aim of the Incarnation; that is holiness. In other words, becoming LIKE GOD, being "gods by Grace" (St. Athanasius). The Lord said, "Ye are gods," quoting Scripture. That is, He became man to make man like Himself.
Therefore, if you think the fruit of a life with/in/according to God is being "good" you are mistaken and this would explain why you wrote what you did.
If the aim of the Incarnation was to be "peaceful," "kind" or "good" people (humanly speaking and alone) there was no need for it, for God already gave that in the OLD LAW. RATHER: He became man to give us THE SPIRIT, to abide in US unto GLORIFICATION/THEOSIS. For the KINGDOM OF GOD to be WITHIN US (kingdom = His Spiritual Reign/Rule).
THIS -- does not belong to the Muslims or Jews. It is found only in HIM, in HIS BODY.
We see this in the lives of the saints. Read the lives of the many saints of the 20th century and you will see this in all its glory:
Saint Joseph the Hesychast
Saint Nektarios of Aegina
Saint Paisios of Mt. Athos
Saint Porphyrios of Kafsokalyvia
Saint Iakovos of Evia
Saint Siluoan of Mt. Athos
Saint John of Kronstadt
Saint John of Shanghai and San Francisco...
Fr. Seraphim Rose...
and many more...
Read the Synaxarion: The Lives of the Saints of the Orthodox Church by Hieromonk Makarios, distributed by the Serbian Orthodox Diocese of the West, or, a much larger version, covering older saints, mainly, The Great SYNAXARISTIS of the Orthodox Church from Holy Apostles Convent in Colorado.
www.amazon.com/Synaxarion-Orthodox-Church-January-February/dp/960861435X
www.amazon.com/Great-Synaxaristes-Orthodox-Church-June/dp/0944359299/
Read also these introductory books:
The Way of a Pilgrim
The Way of the Ascetics
Sayings of the Desert Fathers
On the Jesus Prayer by St. Ignatius Brianchaninov
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you for that explanation. I’m a confirmed Catholic and recently have discovered orthodoxy. It resinates very much with my soul and I would like to convert to it.
I’ve never really liked the Catholic Church for obvious reasons so my path to holiness was never clear to me and I didn’t strive for that as I should have been doing.
I guess my thought process was this,
I know that there are evil parts of Judaism and Islam such as the Pharisees and Talmud , I understand those people are following the Evil one. But when I think of Jewish people that don’t believe in that and follow the Ten Commandments I guess I thought they were still worshiping the same God of Abraham and didn’t view it as they are actually worshiping Satan because there is many good Muslims and Jews. (I never really meditated on the idea) but i now fully understand denouncing Christ or just saying he was a prophet is denouncing God himself.
It is obvious now with the explanation and know that I’ve actually put serious thought into it. And I feel regret for thinking that way before as it was very wrong.
Would you agree with the previous comment that all jewish/Muslims are actually worshiping Satan? Or would you describe it as something else?
I wrote a heart felt message to my local Greek Orthodox priest requesting a conversation and he simple just referred me to online resources. I understand he is busy but I guess I wasn’t expecting that. I really appreciate you taking the time to reply to my comment as I very much need to relearn my faith. I have been reading the Bible for the past month as part of my journey and I will read all the books you suggested. I will start attending my local Orthodox Church I know that is the only way to begin this journey. I very much appreciate your reply.
Nope
Definitely no, but an amazing video nonetheless
John 1:14
The God of the OT is the incarnate God which they have rejected. The father and the Son is ONE. Those who love the son has the love of the father.
title and video do not match. Although the question is kinda answered is never addressed because the lecture is about something else.
It is answered, though. It is.
@@OrthodoxEthos not directly. There are a number of things to be addressed like how Iesus is seen by jews and muslims or hoe God the father is in contrast to how orthodox see it. Instead it goes into a lecture on uncreated energies of God, which is something harder to understand for many people including myself.
Forgive me, but if any orthodox Christian believes that we share a God with other confessions and that our destinies are the same, then prove it.
Go become a Muslim or a Jew or whatever else for the rest of your life and see your end...
Enough with this foolishness. 🙏☦️♥️
They don't share the same and I would even extend that to say Western Christianity doesn't share the same. I use the following example to illustrate a conversation that took place a work when I wasn't there, which was told to me by our Systems Administrator:
Boss: So, we are going to be having a great deal of changes that will involve new policies and restrictions where we can't allow them to be dismissed.
Coworker: Oh great! [My Name], is going to come unglued when he hears about this!"
Systems Administrator: [Overhead conversation and is confused and decides to get clarification] So, do we have another [My Name] working with us now?
Boss and Coworker: No, the [My Name] that has been working with us.
Systems Administrator: Well, after working with [My Name] for years, I've never known for him to come unglued about anything. I thought you two were referring to a new hire to our department that I didn't know about.
The point of the example is that the Systems Administrator knows me whereas my coworker doesn't know me correctly enough to know that I'm not the type of person who comes unglued. Therefore, was the coworker's comment acceptable towards the truth? No, it wasn't because she failed to make her comment about me absolute truth instead of making the comment as a potential truth since she didn't know me. The Christian God doesn't allow assumptions about who He is and who He isn't that come from Western Christianity.
It would be difficult for it not to be.
Sorry?
Allah is so unlike the God of the Old Testament that it cannot be anything but a Demon.
Same with the "god" that the Jews currently worship, they deny that God can enter into Creation, which is contrary to the Genesis accounts and the words of the Prophets.
TLDR - No.
This is actually rather nuanced. You see in some Muslims and some Jews, the recognition of the true God who created everything and reverence for God. They do this for the reason that it's obvious to an innocent person with a good heart and capable of reason. They also innocently believe that their recieved religion serves this God truly and correctly, because they respect their elders and have a socially acquired system of values that helps them to be moral people. And yet, as we know, concealed in the depths of their religion is spiritual death and false worship, which like in Freemasonry is only known to the few of the higher degrees. This makes outreach and a good witness of the faith so difficult, but quite worthwhile. The children of the light will ultimately follow the true light when they are convinced they have seen it.
No
NO!
Duetoronomy, 6:4.5 and 6. - God said through his messenger to Israel, Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: in Matthew 22-37 new Covernant, (new testament) Jesus said,: “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ same!
And in the Koran, they said, this
to their believers. Show them the scriptures.
O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians-they are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people. (Surah Al-Ma'idah - 51-69)
Both sides knows this! This bar is how I know we don't worship the same GOD. So the answer is NO!
No.
Dont have to watch any of it. Resolute no!
No No And No 🤷♀️
If the plain meaning of the text is what Judaism believes as it does, and the ambiguous mystical interpretations reveal Christianity as the truth, how is it that they, the Orthodox Jews can be blamed for believing the literal, logical interpretation but rejecting interpretations that take understanding Christianity exterior from the Old Testament to understand? For example absolutely nobody would interpret Isaiah chapter 7 to mean that hundreds of years later a virgin would bear the messiah. It's inconceivable that "young woman" be changed to "virgin" and then Isiah's wife be changed to Mary, and that Isiah's son be changed to Jesus but then where is the war that is supposed to end before the child reaches maturity? It's already ended because the prophesy only applied to Isaiah's son, of which the war of Assyria against Judah ended before his son Immanuel reached maturity. That was the miracle, and of course Isiah's wife was not a virgin, but because this is not the case Isiah 7:14 is mistranslated in the Septuagint and the Gospel by using the word "Parthenos". All one actually has to do is read the text to realize that the mystical interpretations of Christianity that are the claims for the religion itself fall flat. The Orthodox Church does the greatest job at logical reasoning than the Roman Church and the protestant churches, however there is only so far one can go before they are faced with what the Torah and the Prophets actually say if they bother to read the entire Torah and the entire books of prophesy as a whole as the context. This is a pre-requisite but this is not the methodology that the Gospels use and therefore the most leaned of Christian theologians are still stuck with taking individual verses and chapters out of context of the books/scrolls themselves.
READ THE HOLY FIRE.(SKARLAKIDIS). IS GOING TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE. FACTS NO THEORIES. ONE GOD,YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE TRUTH.
No. not the same God, different "" Ideas"" of God.
Off course WE DON´T believe in the same God, Jews do not believe in a Trinity God and muslims workship an Arabic god whom only can understand prayers in arabic , it will never gonna be the almighty God we Christians know and believe in
Obviously the devil. No only Christian Catholics have the fullness of all truth and revelation from God. Only the one true Church is with God.
The Orthodox Catholic Church, yes.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Ayesha was 9,
Muhammad was 54 or 52.
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The correct answer is NO.
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No