Tawhid Debate: Jake the Muslim Metaphysician (Sunni Salafi) vs. Prof. Khalil Andani (Shia Ismaili)
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024
- A moderated debate between Dr. Khalil Andani (Assistant Professor of Religion) and Jake Brancatella the Muslim Metaphysician on the correct understanding of Tawhid (God's oneness) in Islam. Dr. Andani represents the Ismaili version of the Islamic Neoplatonic worldview found in Avicennan, Sufi, and Ismaili traditions of Islam and Jake represents the Salafi form of the Athari Creed from the Hanbali tradition.
1:30 Introducing Bios of Both Speakers
7:30 Jake's Opening Statement
28:00 Khalil's Opening Statement
49:05 Jake First Rebuttal
1:03:56 Khalil's First Rebuttal
1:17:39 Jake Second Rebuttal
1:23:30 Khalil Second Rebuttal
1:29:46 Jake Cross-Examines Khalil
1:44:55 Khalil Cross-Examines Jake
2:04:16 Jake Closing Statement
2:15:40 Khalil Closing Statement
As a christian That's show that level of scholarship of Dr khalil isn't the same as a lay man pseudo convert of islam who think he know islam.that's why lay people should learn more their faith before rushing to a debate .
Nooooo. Wahhabism is what it is 🤣😂that’s just as good as it’s going to get
Nooooo. Wahhabism is what it is 🤣😂that’s just as good as it’s going to get
The cross examination was impressive. Good job Dr. Andani, you carried yourself in a very knowledgeable and respectful manner.
You can see the deep hate in Jakes eyes while Adani only condequently applied his line of argumentation and his theological tradition to the debate without wanting to humiliate the opponent. This is the difference between a scholar and an amateur salafi oppsesed with takfeer.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸You know why? Because Jake the Pseudo Metaphysician is an evil hateful person, who is nothing but a spoiled arrogant elitist Anglo-Saxon American white boy who rides a Muslim wave as a fashion mode and think he's so smart cuz he got a lil degree in philosophy and read in Wikipedia about our church fathers instead of learning about his own religion, of which he knows nothing, not even the Arabic. When we get our beautiful and successful Russian Orthodox channel, we will end not only his career, but also those of the fake imposters on our side, like the dumb demon Dyer, who btw believes in the same god as Jake's, only multiplied in 3🤣👉🐙🐙🐙
Absolutely beautiful! Great job Dr. Khalil
If you can't even agree with sunnis on tawhid why do you bother on calling yourself a muslim. Are you that delusional or completely retarded
Jakes 15 minute deflection was a disaster
His whole imaginary life as Pseudo Metaphysician is too😂😂
Dr. Khalil Andani, well-done for the wonderful logical arguments! Thank you!
1:46:54 "depends on what you meant by depend". What kind of clarification is that by Jake!
Yes, I mean, can you get more pathetic than that?🤦😂
😂
dr khalil is just beyond awesome. i am learning so much from you Dr.khalil i am extremely in awe and have literally watched all of your videos, i can read arabic i am egyptian but your videos provide so much in depth knowledge, it makes arabic falsafa easier to understand later on. i am also extremely intrested in ismaili tradition , i am new to it , and i wish ive learned all that sooner, its very sensical really, i think your videos are extremely underrated, thank you endlessly. youre the only source reliable and rich to knowing ismaili sect. its amazing. youre an excellent debater as well wow.
I love brother Khalil. He’s awesome.
Egypt is the hub of ismailis
@@AliHassanHunzaitrue but nowadays there is no Ismaili lives.
@@janonazooo4356 Naam ya akhi I know. Are you from Egypt
Yes, but i reject his view that attributes apply only to creation & at the level of the 1st intellect. No, there are no such things as "metaphysical parts", hence attributes, virtues, emotions, powers...do not cause any distinctions withing God & don't hurt divine simplicity - that is a false presupposition. Jake was to ignorant to call him out on that
As a Catholic, this was embarrassing on Jake's behalf. This is what happens when a professional goes up against an amateur. Should have charged him tuition!
And Jake might be one of the better apologists they have.
Embarassing!
🤺☦🇷🇺The moment Jake equated a human multiplicity to the creator and said He had multiplicities, it's all over - he's FINISHED walahi he's finished. The Shia are absolutely right, we Christians believe in the divine simplicity of Allah the Father, while Sunni are committing SHIRQ😁
What does your catholicism have to do with anything?
Don't you think your tomistic ADS is quite embarrassing?
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy polytheist chrstians believe in 3 entities that together form 1 God. Trinity is the polytheist believe that 3 things constitute only 1 thing and every 1 of the 3 things constitute the whole thing.
1+1+1=1 which nonsensical mathematically
@@homer1273 No, only Protestants believe that nonsense, not us true Christians. You cannot even differentiate between Protestants and Christians, and prove you are clueless about our beliefs and even the basics you don't know🤦😅We believe that the Son and Spirit are God only by the Father, and HIS essence, as HIS special agents, executioners of HIS will, and their godliness is meant to point to the Father alone, as the superior to all, including them, and we believe in divine simplicity of God the Father, while you Sunni believe Allah has a form - Shirq😂So nice try, but I have already dismantle in detail each and every single one of Jake's claims against our holy doctrines😁
The amount of dodging by Jake is actually crazy.
Because the Polytheist was scared like an insecured little girl. Noticed how red he was?😅
@@easternRomanOrthodoxBro what side you are? 😭
@@kalashi6305 No side, Jake is arrogant & hateful pagan & Khalil is a liberal pagan.
@@easternRomanOrthodox but what are u? Ur a catholic or a eastern orthodox?
@@kalashi6305 eastern Orthodox, don't you see the name?
In a word, Jake got destroyed. But he continued his trash talk all towards the end and afterwards.
Thank you Dr. Khalil for the brilliant presentation and debate.
State your position first so we know which paradigm you come from.
RIP Jake 😂
@@banimil7290🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸What's the matter, getting triggered because your false idol, that ignorant pretentious arrogant fool the Pseudo Metaphysician got wiped out like a useless fly by a true Muslim..?🤔😅
Has anyone heard from Jake since this debate? It was violent... Khalil destroyed Jake so deeply..
keep dreaming...
only uneducated people in islamic theology and traditional islamic teachings can say this kind of nonesense.
Murtad Jake reared his head recently with Pikachu repeatedly emphasising to Brother Rashid that he deserves death sentence for being a murtad!
I haven’t heard. RIP Jake
@@Stardust475
jake was quoting the “holy” bible that teaches death to apostates by stoning. So your brother rashid should have read the violent bible verses about stoning the apostate to death before pretending to convert to chrstianity for a green-card and begging money from naive evangelical clowns
@@homer1273 And what do we care about Rashid the Protestant pagan clown or Spencer the Protestant imposter who pretends being us Orthodox??🤦😅We Christians believe each and every single one of these verses as holy Word of God, and proud of those commandments, so nice try😁
At this point Jake has made his own creed in Sunni Islam. He will pick and choose anyone and make them say whatever he likes. With absolutely no factual evidence. He is like a blacksmith who beats a piece of fine sheet of iron and make it into a sword but forgets to attach the handle therefore injuring himself. Alhamdulillah this was a great debate to watch
I don't believe in Islam but Jake's performance, especially during the cross-examination, is utterly embarrassing. Time and again, he is literally cornered by the superior Philosopher (Dr Andani) and just spends the whole time evading Dr Andani's questions because he knows he's been exposed.
This was a significant debate win for Dr Andani.
The boy got smashed
Jake is only tending to personal attacks. You can clearly see that he's just annoyed and butthurt.
As a Christian, much respect to you brother ❤
he's not muslim
@@omanhakimi3321so? Jake got dogwalked
@@kataklysm_ people can have opinions
@@omanhakimi3321😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😊
@omanhakimi3321 and you are? God? Or ISIS?
Awesome. This was highly enlightening to me.
Be specific and state your position. This is not for entertainment.
@@banimil7290butthurt
lol@@kataklysm_
I'm a Christian,and I watched many debates of jake with chriatians.Jake is moving always to the positions just to tell something bad against the Trinity.But this man totaly,literally blew him away.Like this is mind blowing
You didn't, because the Pseudo Metaphysician never debated a Christian only Protestant pagans fake "Orthodox", and that's why he won. But he couldn't win against a modernist Muslim😂😂😂
@@easternRomanOrthodoxJake worships power similiar
to what Roman catholics do. It doesn't matter if Roman catholic dogma change over time or contradicts. As long as you kiss the papal slippers you can believe whatever you want.
@@easternRomanOrthodox i have never seen him do well in any debate, he may appear aggressive, but he cant defend his position
@@joshuat005 I debated with him in the comments & he couldn't defeat my Orthodox trinity. I pointed out that if he claims like us, that pagan Greek metaphysics are not an authority to explain the faith, then he shouldn't be using them.
@@easternRomanOrthodoxHe has never won against any Christian.
academic version of " Local bully v UFC fighter"
Wow that was brutal. Geez dude. Dr. Khalil rocked him man
Jake - "I won I won.".. everyone else - "err no... stop bullshitting yourself"
Really fascinating discussion. I'm glad to see Dr. Khalil Andani in a discussion like this. I had a lot of questions about his theology as it is not as common to see nowadays.
And let me ask a brainlet question. I hear the term asey? and aseyity? in these theological discussions. What is this term? Could someone write it so I could understand it? Thanks.
Aseity is the property, if you can call it that, of being uncreated and lacking an origin. So, when we talk about God being ase we mean that he has no origin and is eternal without beginning or dependence on another thing but self dependent.
@@biscuitcake5894 Thanks Mr. Cake. I was really wondering about this.
Unlike Jesus or holy spirit which are not God are contigent on the father
Jake thinks by quoting his opponents texts that this proves his point. But, he doesn’t even understand his own texts 😂😂 how’s he meant to understand his opponents??
😂😂😂😂😂you’re right
Dr. Khalil destroyed Jake MM such huge embarrassing for jake who takfir others right and left whiteout even knowing his own
As a Christian, I want to say that it would be much more pleasant watching our people discuss and debate with people like Dr Khalil rather than people like Jake
Well, if you want my advice, check the credentials of a Muslim if he is talking about religion. They should have something called an ijazzah to be considered qualified to speak on issues of the Deen. Unfortunately, the internet allows any ignoramus to acquire fame and rewards people who are short on manners and harsh in their method of argumentation, which is not Islamic.
Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”
29:46 Quran
I have not seen Jake so mad, his closing was all personal attacks.
he is mad because Khalil is misrepresenting the traditional islamic theology.... he is mad because of intellectual dishonesty...
Pathetic right
Jake is emotional for nothing 😂
That's because he's a clown, a hack, a Pseudo Metaphysician 😂
The best part for me is when Dr.khalil says it was quite entertaining and entertained by what you shared which soo true. I think everyone who watched this got quite entertained. Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jake doesn’t have the intellect to conversate with Khalil and it’s clear to see. He dodged every question and acted like a fool the whole way through, what a disgraceful person.
Man, Jake got hammered on cross, evading, obfuscating, and wasting time, just a debate tactic since he was being trashed by the good doctor.
Butt hurt 😂
I believe in neither doctrine but have watched from 1:40m onwards multiple times and have enjoyed the pure logic of Khalil unsettling Jake
Yes, Khalil exposed the Pseudo Metaphysician believes in this🤣👉🐙
What do you believe
Jake is very uneducated. He even takfired me.
Great job Khalil.
Even though you are not Christian and I am not Muslim, I respect your views.
In the other hand Jake keeps on showing his arrogance and ignorance. I never respect this guy even tough he repents and comes back to Christianity.
Oldie but goldie. Seeing Jake getting destroyed never gets old.
I just saw a grown man holding back tears because he was beat with words
38:53-39:47 Is my all time favourite part of this whole debate. It shows that the Athari position, if consistently held to, provides no grounds for rejecting Trinitarianism. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as they say.
If I remember correctly, Jake seems to take issue with Khalil's conception of the divine will, since it apparently negates God's being a free agent (fāʿil muẖtār) - in a libertarian sense, I presume; but how does the former's own position secure divine free will?
I mean, under Jake's (Taymiyyan) temporal conception of - and ascription of distinct contingent wills to - God, the latter's foreknowledge would mean that He pre-eternally knew what He was going to will - and consequently do - at any given point in time _t¹_ .He would thus have to will/act according to that foreknowledge, but if He were to do otherwise (and supposing He didn't change His mind about what to do at _t¹_ ), He wouldn't be omniscient. It's been a while since I watched this debate, so I'm not sure if Khalil brought this point up.
@@noahrue470Ibn Taymiyyah doesn’t believe there was a period before creation where there was just god. His view is not only contra the mutakallimun; who said that god created the world at a specific moment. He’s also contra the the Falasifa; who say the world is eternal(this is Dr. Andani’s position as well). His view is that God: through his will and knowledge, creates an infinite regress of worlds.
An eternal act of creating but the product isn’t an eternal creation(?). He doesn’t affirm that the world is eternal due to his own definitions of what eternality means, coupled with his own arguments about causality which we as critics are free to reject. But in every academic article I’ve read on this character, they all just state at the outset he believes in an eternal world. (Which I wished Dr. Andani would’ve pressed Jake on, but it was addressed in the recent dyer debate to which Jake chose to just ignore)
Regarding Will however, will is one of the two attributes, with the other being knowledge, which actualize the forms within the divine essence. God to ibn taymiyyah: creates by his will and knowledge, both of which exist like the other attributes, self generatively within the divine essence where they also subsist and are identical to. With the only difference between them are that knowledge and will exist as particulars and are used to act upon the other attributes, while all the others which can be analogous to creatures exist as universals(genera and species).
Who when actualized by God’s knowledge and will are responsible for creating creatures whom seemingly conform to their content, which when actualized by will and knowledge create particular instances of Life for example.
@@noahrue470Ibn taymiyyah doesn’t believe in a period before the creation of the world. Maybe Jake does, but his theologian conceives of God’s act of creating to be eternal and eternally subsisting in his essence. While denying eternality of anything that is a creature, based on his own definitions of what being eternal means and other causal arguments we as critics are free to reject.
So not only is he contra the mutakallimun, whom affirm that there is an exact period when creation began in a creation ex nihilo schema. He’s also contra the falasifa who hold to an eternal world via emanation.
Regarding will, Ibn taymiyyah holds will to be one of the two attributes, with the other being knowledge, That God used to create. All the attributes of God exist self generatively inside the essence where they subsist and are identical to, but not to each other. Only difference between the attributes of Knowledge and will are that they exist as particulars, while attributes analogous to creatures exist as universals(genera and species). The attributes of knowledge and will actualize the forms within the divine essence and act upon the other attributes in order to create particulars who conform to the content of gods attribute of life for example.
How can one hold to monotheism or libertarian free will in god based on this?
YAM. I'm glad you posted this on your channel. Also it's hard to have an intellectual debate when one party has (as Gandalf put it) "abandoned reason for madness". And claiming you are not a Muslim is the most Un-Muslim sentiment I heard.
He’s not a Muslim your not a Muslim if you believe the Quran is abrogated and the aga khan is the walking quran 😂.
@@Traplicano Do you know Quran was complie after Prophet Muhammad S.A.W death? Same logic applies to Prophet Muhammad S.A.W as Walking Quran. Reading Quran is one thing and explaining real meaning of Quran according to time another.
Bravo Dr. Khalil Andani. A totally in depth and thought provoking ligics. YAM and ❤ from Pakistan.
@khalilandani well done sir!!
Dude I felt terrible for Dr. Khalil during the cross-examination. Jake just deflected and dodged and wasted time.
Can you share a copy of the slideshow, thanks!
Jake the metaredard at his best
This time Jake refuses to answer, and like to point a finger. And after that he wants to debate Sam Shamoun?)
@@Localpeople13 Shmoun or whatever his name is, is a pagan Protestant Islamophobe not a Christian lol
Sam is bullshit just nonesense talk joke will kill hil
@@Localpeople13
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Both Shamoun and the Pseudo Metaphysician are clowns, not Muslims nor Christians lol
Jake the Metaphysco! Champion lying extraordinaire! 😆
im not muslim but Khalil not only destroyed jake but was the only one that even seemed prepared for the debate
1:13:55 When you applied the “Jakey method” 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Jake the Pseudo Metaphysician invented a new school of Islam that says Allah's hands and body parts are "attributes"!!!🤣👉🐙
Catholic here soaking it all up. Very entertaining.
After the ingenius Dr. Andani presentation...
Moderator: Abdul Rahman, are you there..?
Abdul Rahman: (in shock)
😂😂😂
I found out about yourself and Jake from Mufti Abu Layth’s “mind trap” videos. Really enjoyed this discussion between you two. Thank you for your videos Dr. Khalil. Very interesting stuff.
What was Mufti Abu Layth's take on the debate?
@@stevenv6463 I’m not sure if he has watched it. But his video with dr. Khalil and the other with Jake were really thought provoking 👍🏼
@@seancantbeseen9490 Yeah I watched their interviews right after I finished this.
It wasn't a discussion, it was a debate, so why are you being dishonest not saying that Dr. Andani wiped the floor with your idol, hah?😂
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy me? I think you read into my comment the wrong way man. I’m a fan of Andani, not Jake.
Jake is a smart guy, but he lacks practice in logical thinking which is really the difference between him being an excellent debater and being medium
by the way - it's a shame you are not debating, you are very good
You can say Jake is smart all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a retard. Dr. Andani was only being nice to him and human since he's a real Muslim who believes I'm divine simplicity, while the Pseudo Metaphysician believes in this👉🐙You people throw the word intelligent left and right without knowing what it means, so let me educate you:
Every living thing in the world is intelligent, like a spider who is able to construct a brilliant spiderweb, only difference between it and human is that we possess transcendent divine intelligence, while a spider's intelligence is a low kind = SKILL, like a plumber, painter and so on. And that's the only thing Jake has: skills in philosophy, as any layman can learn at university, and there are plenty of dummies (like Jake Dyer for example) that got themselves degrees, so what? I am a layman and I can utterly destroy Jake on ANY of his claims against our holy Trinity and Church fathers. In fact, I will create a successful channel myself exposing all of those hacks destroying all of their funny ignorant claims lol
Guys if you do not know about the common words please do not take position to articulate Islam. I am referring to Jake: You say everyone understand (descend), then Khalil asks you to explain descend what everyone understand, then you mumble and then say we do not understand that. I dislike to be a part of those who claim but cannot articulate. Khalil is right for the idea of the Universal Knowledge, Universal soul, and the attributes of God. I add as a complement that human being is weak and does not have the capacity to understand God, and knowledge cannot digest that, because God cannot be conquered by Knowledge; otherwise, it will be under it. I go even further by stating that it is not permitted for knowledge by default to know God, but his attributes.
Jake: We take the apperent meaning of descend!
Also Jake: I can't tell you what descend means
😂
Ashari Aqeedah is the sunni aqeedah , Asharis and Maturidis are the ahlul sunnah wal jama'ah.
Yes, it's true. Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore and Thailand as the majority of Muslims in the world are Ash'aris. There's no such thing as Neo-Pseudo-Salafi (Wahhabi, Athari) thing. Wahhabi is a deviant offshoot of Sunni.
Not according to Jake
@@abd-almasih4413 excuse me but jake is a jahil so who cares.
WOW, Khalil Andani destroyed Jake. Respect to Khalil Andani !
The hadith (Muhammad (Saw) has seen Allah in the form of young man beardless) is a fabricated hadith!
Ash-Shawkaani said in Al-Fawaa’id Al-Majmoo‘ah fee Al-Ahaadeeth Al-Mawdhoo‘ah, “It was narrated by Al-Khateeb from Umm At-Tufayl, the wife of Abu Ka‘b, and it is a fabricated hadeeth, and its chain of narrators includes a fabricator, a liar, and an unknown reporter.”
bn Al-Jawzi said in Al-‘Ilal Al-Mutanaahiyah, “This hadeeth is not proven, and all its narrations are from Hammaad ibn Salamah. Ibn ‘Adiyy said, ‘It was said that Ibn Abu Al-Awjaa’ was the stepson of Hammaad, and he used to insert these ahaadeeth into his books.”
you dont understand islam
@@theboxingbikerAthari anthropomorphism isn't based on one hadith.
Watch a presentation on hadith showing why none can be attributed back to Muhammad or Companions on Bottled Pettrichor by Joshua Little
@@theboxingbikerIt's not, all Muslims believe it and you know it
@@omanhakimi3321You mean like the Pseudo Metaphysician doesn't..🤔😅
If you enter into a debate with arrogance even if you think are right somehow humility will definitely determine who is correct here
I feel that Jake dodged many questions. The first time I've seen him stumped. Nevertheless, a beautiful display of argumentation by both speakers. I hope this furthers the understanding of Islam and unity within the Ummah.
Unity, one side was calling the other side a Kafir.......
Imam Ahmad is free from the mujassima's creed. His creed which is the true athari creed on its very essence was to submit to the text without delving into it.
I don’t see how all the trolls in the comments seem to think Andani won this debate. It’s clear Jake made his beliefs and creed clear without contradictions. Andani is unfortunately stuck between a rock and hard place being an Ismaili, as former Ismaili myself I know their practices and beliefs are completely against the traditional teachings of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Andani is a fraud and he knows his beliefs are a fraud! He should repent and come to the true Islam of the Sunnis and stop trying to make good with his Aga Khani masters.
Wow, sunni Muslims believe that God remains on his throne, stays seated on his throne all the while being able to go down to the earth while remaining on his throne.. Wow, If I didn’t know any better that’s how Christian’s believe God functions in the trinity. Gotta love the internet.
yep, crazy.
but early Muslim philosophers never held to this idea, and the Ismailis keep/hold on to this idea too (til this day).
they don't believe God has a physical body or has a throne.
@@rethabilefeni4694 joke,,,, no Ismaili is believing that god is in in sky just like ur jack😂😂😂
@@Shams-CA-WALA-LARKA i see.. you are r3tarded.
my bad G.. i know you can't rub the last 2 remaining braincell in that hollow head of yours to formulate a thought but i do sympathize. the internet is full of crawling idiots every day, maybe you can join their group.
idiot, how said i'm an ismaili???
Stop staining sunnism with Wahhabism/mujassimah.
Allah swt is above his throne! But his knowledge is everywhere! We can’t comprehend how we just accept the transmission of the verse!
Jake got destroyed 😂😂😂😂😂
proof it
@@omanhakimi3321 watch the video and judge for yourself
pov: you didnt understand the debate
carrier ending Jake 😂 Khalil is right allah has only right side. Left side body parts missing.
Please answer: is Agakhan God?
Should Ismailis be asking present Imam to forgive their sins and pray to him directly?
Why are Ismailis not asked to talk about their Bol (a word given by Agakhan)
Why cannot Ismailis not talk about their experience about Noor (the light)
There are lots of questions one needs to know about beliefs in Agakhan especially when we hear so many people talking against Ismailis and the hugh amount of money collected in the Jamat plus! Why should money be collected during prayer time in Jamathkhana?
Should people not be concentrating on their prayers instead of diversions of money?
😍😍Should spirituality and prayers be connected with money during prayers?
Please help us all - there are more people who have serious concerns. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. 😍😍😍😍😍😍Who should one believe when we have no clear asnswers about religion!!!!
Jake avoiding questions like a politician
Don't mess with us. 😇Jake stop living in past. Personal attack is not debate. Says alot about your character.
Allah made an industry so some ppl would make a living,
Moderator Abdul did not point to the fact Jake is evading questions but goes to correct Dr.K , bias in my opinion , why was J dancing around and playing dumb not addressed?
Poor Jakey got bummed 😮😅 Dr Andani, Ya Ali Madad, please take on the Islamic world 🌎 ❤
Jake lost. He was trumpled undefoot
But was it a necessary uncreated foot?
Jake goes into the lecture room. He ahould sit for an exam after listening to this charitable clarifications made to him.
This is my second time watching this and Jake is in more frustrated than I thought. Obfuscation!!
This isnt on their playlist anymore
Can you share this slide?
Just like we dont know the khafiya of the trinity hehe...real talk
I see many non-Muslims agreeing with Dr. Khalil on his views and Ismaili creed. Therefore, when you find non-Muslims praising you for your creed, you must re-examine it.
Of course the non muslims will praise a deviant
Dito as a Catholic, I found Jake embarrassing. Much respect to Khalil despite our differences on the Trinity.
JazakAllah khair Jake!
I don't know if I've ever seen a more one-sided debate. It was college professor having a discussion with a 3rd grade student. I'm sure Jake wishes he could remove this from the internet.
Jake the Betaphysician can't answer a single question honestly and then accusing the Dr of takkia.
☦🇷🇺🤝☪️Wow, Khalil, you are great, I didn't know...finally someone explain to those closed minded Salafis in detail why any being who has form & body parts can never be a creator, since figure & parts by definition apply only to creation. Their minds cannot grasp, that the reason why those faculties are separated, is simply because they were put by God in man through separated organs, which God doesn't have!🤦The moment Jake equated a human multiplicity to the creator and said He had multiplicities, it's all over - he's FINISHED walahi he's finished. The Shia are absolutely right, we Christians believe in the divine simplicity of Allah the Father, while Salafis are committing SHIRQ😁
You are definitely prejudiced against Sunnis. Not all Sunnis believe that Allah has a body, face, hands, feet and not all Sunnis believe that the attributes of Allah are the same as Allah. Sufi Sunnis who were Orthodox Sunnis for 1,000 years and still a majority of Sunnis in many Muslim countries today share the same Islamic neoplatonic views on theology as the Shias (Ismaili and Twelver Shias). Khalil Andani himself mentioned in the video and in the description that Sufis (Sufi Sunnis) share the same Islamic neoplatonic views on theology as the Shias (Ismaili and Twelver Shias).
@@AhmetBegovic-i7c I already know it, and I criticized Ismailis for being kufar as well.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy ok so if you know it then why didn't you say Wahhabi/Salafi/Athari instead of Sunni? Because most Sunnis are not Wahhabis/Salafis/Atharis and Sufi Sunnis subscribe to the same Islamic Neoplatonic view as Shias (Ismailis and Twelvers). When and why did you say "Ismailis are kufar"? Ismailis are Muslims, not non-Muslims.
@@AhmetBegovic-i7c I meant Salafi-Wahabis, yes, not all Sunnis, I will correct it. But Twelvers are not neo-Platonists like Ismailis. Twelvers are true Shia, we love Iran. I also made a whole rebuttal of Khalil's last stream regarding my own Christian faith.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Khalil Andani said Twelver Shias share the same Islamic neoplatonic views about theology as Ismailis and Sufi Sunnis.
Muslim metaphysicists are committing double standards here. in the cross-ex session when Khalil Andani asked Jack whether he understood the definition of shirk used he said "you are not allowed to respond with questions in this session." but on the other hand, when Khalil asked several questions, Jack answered with questions too. athari are a bunch of idiots.
I seek refuge in God from Satan who has two hands and both hands are right. amen
Christian protestant here, wow Jake took a real pounding, the attempt to filibuster was just sad, the contradictions were pathetic... And he learned nothing and went on to debate Jay with this weak sauce position!
Go to every sunni of this world aka majority of the ummah be it ashari, maturidi he will never say that Ahmed bin hambal was anthropomorphist
Jake's entire RUclips channel runs on bashing especially Christians & some muslims. Speaks colume about his motive! Also Jake still isn't recovered from this defeat & still trying to potray Dr.Khalil in a negative light. Move on bro! Everyone loses debates
Jake is only tries to offer objections to the other positions but he is very bad at defending his position. This is the take on the multiple debates I have watched of his.
Jake got knocked out here . He is now called Jake metaphysically knocked out
Hindu Trinity Brahma Vishnu and Shiva
Christian Trinity Father Son Holy Spirit
Judaism - ELOHIM
ISLAM- ALLAH
Christianity is close to Pagan religions like Hinduism rather Islam and Judaism. Christians claim it is a continuation of Judaism but it is unfortunately not because Jews never believed in Trinity nor they have worshipped it. ISLAM is true because of it's belief in one God and message of monotheism rather Worshipping dead man hanging on the cross.
This is the reason Christians embracing Islam ☪️
Elohim means Gods
Qur'an is logical false because the whole Qur'an relay on the Bible mentioning Abraham,Moses,JESUS CHRIST. And the Qur'an says Qur'an is the guardian over the previous revelation of ISLAMIC Allah the Torah and the gospel. While historically Fallacy Of False Assumptions
In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" is something very important the old testament and the new testament has already established authority. So the Bible is the Judge over the Qur'an. Logically. And who in the word will follow a man like muhammad? Who k*lled,r*ped, fornicated, commited adultery, kept sl*ves sold sl*ves, when he was 53 he married a 6 yr old and even consider Africans as a look alike of devil. With all do respect if I become even 50% of muhammad I will be considered as a terrorist.
Shatan also believes in one God.
Andani schooled Jake. Literally, some of these segments sounds like a teacher scolding a student for not being coherent in their homework answers.
why the hell is common for jake the mujassima doing taking narration out of context? he is so intellectual dishonest.
All of a sudden Jake can't hear every question keep fumbling.
Everybody knows what descend means, really? So what does it mean? Eventually, the answer is: It's a mystery. Sounds like Trinitarian's appeal to mystery, interesting. We don't understand the Kephia, it's a mystery.
Actually the Hanbalis believe in a literal descend. But they differed whether the Throne becomes vacant then.
@@oeshkoer that sounds even more mysterious, correct?
@@bizdude57 well when we are talking about God do you know everything about Him? If no, then the things you dont know are mysterious yes.
Hanbalis believes in a real descent that is with movement. They only say "we dont know how God descends with movement" That is to say only God knows how.
The Hanbalis i.e. Atharis also never did Tafwid of the meaning as Andani claims, but they only did Tafwid of the howness.
The Hanbalis were somewhat divided whether the Throne becomes vacant when God does descend. Most Athaaris hold it doesnt become vacant.
So according to them God descends literally to the lowest heaven, while He also stays above His Throne. So then He is at 2 places at the same time.
I am surprised that Andani didnt question the hadith about descending since the hadith mentions that God does this in the last third of the night. We know now that it is on earth always somewhere "last third of the night" This hadith could only logically make sense if everywhere at the same time it was "last third of the night".
not really. we dont make any claims about the descendensds to the lowest heaven or claims that we understand it
the trinitarians/incarnation has claim and affirm many things that go against logic
@@Seruna9 I actually agree that Christianity is a little confused on many issues. But Jake was not clear here.
jake the mujassima he didnt do nothing except ad hominem while making an argument that is literally irrelevant to dr. khalil arguments lol.
I watched this debate for the first time and realized it was one-sided intellect. Jake was so full of arrogance, disrespect and hate that his arguments and lack of, failed him miserabl 2:27:10 y.
Christian’s are siding with the Shia 😂😂😂. Embarrassing
Sorry, Christian here. Not familiar with Islam beyond very basic stuff. Is there a reason it would be worse for Christians to side with the Shia over the Sunni?
@@squirrelandowl7482 Shias believe calling to the dead is permissible like Christians like to Ali, Hassan, Huessien etc.
It shows a lot man.
Shias > Low Iq Sunnis
Where is the defence of Islamic philosophy in the debate?
Jake uses analytic philosophy and theology outside islam. That's what he is well known for.
Have you thought about having a discussion with dr Adnan Rashid. He’s a Sunni and he always brings his phd and titles against other Shias sects and religions saying that the other debater isn’t qualified enough. I think you could do really good against him and even win maybe. Him and Muhammad hijab and others always have dawah corners and stuff so I’m wondering how we could fair against them in an academic debate
What is the flying cow is aah sey???
Khalil won - hands down
"He's takfir'd me out of my own community" :D
Jake is not easy to defeat. He knows what he says
He refused to answer any questions because he knows not what he says.
Its hard to defeat a person who never answers questions directly and is historically extremely manipulative and dishonest just like Hikachu.
Yeah, Jake's so smart he doesn't even know that descent entails movement.😂 Should stop metaphysics and learn commonsense instead.
You see how everyone here is making fun of your dumb pathetic comment?👆🤣
@@hubertagamasu6283 The Hanbalis affirment movement
Khalil did a good job here but he got cooked by sam in the islamic dilemma debate
We as Human beings can only understand the meaning of words within the capacity of human beings and that is a very limited knowledge.However we know as Muslims that Allah is not like His creation .While simultaneously we realize He is uncreated, therefore those axioms and patterns of rational arguments are futile and only find relevance with created concepts. The reality of how Allah is,is beyond the capacity of the human mind and only can humans find a benefit in this regard is by way of Iman with knowledge in the Quran. As for the Christians, they say Allah is three in meaning, defined in the Trinity dogma and the oneness is a collective oneness, like a trio band is one band,or a football team with 50 members is one team. While Allah is an absolute one without any partners.We says what the Quran and Sunna, and the Sahaba said, and Iman in it is the reality and is Wajib upon every Muslim.وما قدروا الله حق قدره They don't estimate Allah His true estimation. Surah Zumar: 67
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸No, that's not what we say, ignorant American...🤦Allah for us is the Father, so get basic education before commenting on others beliefs like that retard the Pseudo Metaphysician does lol
43:20, 1:45:10, 2:00:40
1:46:47 bro what is this?
Playing dumb?
What kinda of kids play is this
Jake being in taqiyyah, classic Salafi.
Is this jake guy what.....3?? His mind just can't grasp anything! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ibn taymiyyah level IQ
i feel bad for jake after watching this 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭