Very proud to be part of your development team, Clint! Thanks for the showcase, GRM! Have loved working with you in the past (Tom's R-pkg project in 2008??) - perhaps we'll do it again! To be clear, Clint's revisions in 2018 included the KBO valve (Kerb Blow-off, inspired by Penske's regressive valve) and Ripple Reducer (inspired by off-road racing). And lots of analysis, testing, and tuning by Clint and Johanna...
Sweet ride. Mazdaratti. Keep up the speed 6 love. A forgotten classic. STI for adults. Love my speed 6 and just bought another. Good luck on the circuit.
Thank you for sharing this. Makes me appreciate my MS6 more and all the work I’ve done to it. Do you have somewhere that you have detailed what you’ve done if I want to use a simile suspension setup as yours as far as damping and spring rate?
I'm not sure they'll ever attain Supra-level Japanese classic status, but they were definitely underappreciated when new, and have all the makings of future collectibles.
@@cratelab I have one that is a gem with low miles and I wouldn't give it up for anything. I've owned many high powered sport cars in my life (Like an EVO VIII) and the MS6 is better than all of them. I will never sell it and I think many other owners feels the same, hence dropping down the supply since only 10,000 came to NA anyway and probably half are wrecked. They are absolutely classics. If you see one for sale jump on in it. Ultimate sleeper car ever. Definitely faster than my EVO VIII.
This is a rear classic that’s making a name again for itself these cars are beast . Being a past ms3 owner not recently bought a speed6 all I can say is this car is a sleeper wolf in sheeps clothing
some people know that speed cars are fast but with the first gen speed3 and the speed6 it is sometimes really hard to tell if they are a speed or not, so the sleeper fact is even greater for the first gen than the second gen speed3, and the 6 having awd just puts the cherry on top
so as a speed 3 owner the rule of thumb as i've been told is not to WOT under 2800 rpm, when these guys road race certainly there are times you have fall below 2800 and need to open her up all the way, no bent rods?
As an owner of a 2003 c5z06 and a 2006 mazdaspeed 6 full bolt ons. Its not a corvette. But man does it ever put a smile on my face when i smoke a v8 lol
So... hundreds of hours adjusting bump steer and camber curves have lead to stiffening the suspension to zero-out bump steer and camber curves out. Sounds familiar, Mazda can really get on your nerves :)
Not so much measuring to change, but measuring to understand how to leverage the design and set the car up within those confines. SP class has almost no allowance to change geometry. We've spent an immense amount of time taking accurate measurements of particular components to model them, so we can find better suited materials or components from other vehicles that fit. Or, in other cases like the rear bar, I modeled the entire subframe and designed a 100% bolt on ARB that is 10x more effective than the stock configuration, while decreasing the service time to only a few minutes.
I don't see an intercooler or turbo. Stock these cars, when they were new, made 270. With a CobbAccessport, intake, and exhaust, you can almost make 400hp.
That's exactly what I thought, stock figures, unless he means wheel horsepower which would mean crank powers upto around 300ish bhp would be my guess. Even then that's quite low on e85 I have a mate with a 325bhp on standard UK 99ron
He means whp. And these cars are notorious for making low hp but diesel like tq figures. I've seen less than 300 hp speed 3 and 6s that have 400+tq at 2500 rpm which is really what you need for autocross.
@@GenjitheMeowl considering the 3 makes 380nm torque stock if hope it would be 400+ mapped and also brining in that amount of torque at 2500 is rod bending material anyone who knows about the ms3 n ms6 its 3-3.5k rpm before pulling as the massive whack in torque is sure to make you meet a rod outside the block sooner or later
I'm talking foot pounds of tq not nm. Sorry. So 400 tq is 540ish nm. And it is very rough on the motor but that's the way they were built. A good tuner will limit tq below 3k but I've seen alot of speed 3s and 6s making 500plus nm at very low rpm and living long healthy lives.
The factory one makes 280 at the crank, and 200 at the wheels. I assume he was referring to 260hp at the wheels, which is surprisingly low for full bolt-on + e85. He could probably make low 300s with a more aggressive tune but maybe he's after a bit more reliability as in this class you're not allowed to do any internal work
@@phate1985 eh even for what he’s doing from my experience 300 is sluggish. His setup is overkill. When ur tires are that big u can’t u turn or make hairpins.
Theo Dosis it’s not called “Duratec” It’s a 2.3L disi mzr turbo motor. Duratec is fords name for their motors. Mzr is Mazda’s name for their motors. There was say that ford took it to use it for their cars under the eco boost name tho. Which you are correct on. I believe the ST’s also have a 2.3 turbo that is similar to the one in the speed6/speed3
@@datlac95 Yep. FoMoCo parts bin sharing occurred, but this is a fully Mazdaspeed designed engine with many unique features that are uniquely Mazda. In many ways the 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo is more stout than the Ecoboost 2.0s and 2.3s, despite them being more than 10 years newer.
@@datlac95 And just for the sake of clarity, the MZR 2.3 is different than the 2.3 in the RS and the Mustang. The Ford 2.3 is actually known to suffer from block weakness/cracking, as outlined here: ruclips.net/video/CuGodKdRLpE/видео.html The MZR 2.3 DISI doesn't have that problem because it's a different, more stout design. Many Ford 2.3s do a 2.0 swap due to this known weakness.
Very proud to be part of your development team, Clint! Thanks for the showcase, GRM! Have loved working with you in the past (Tom's R-pkg project in 2008??) - perhaps we'll do it again! To be clear, Clint's revisions in 2018 included the KBO valve (Kerb Blow-off, inspired by Penske's regressive valve) and Ripple Reducer (inspired by off-road racing). And lots of analysis, testing, and tuning by Clint and Johanna...
Sweet ride. Mazdaratti. Keep up the speed 6 love. A forgotten classic. STI for adults. Love my speed 6 and just bought another. Good luck on the circuit.
That's what I mine 😂
That build is goals, this thing must be a joy to drive!
Thank you for sharing this. Makes me appreciate my MS6 more and all the work I’ve done to it. Do you have somewhere that you have detailed what you’ve done if I want to use a simile suspension setup as yours as far as damping and spring rate?
I've owned my Speed6 since 07 and can't count how many times I get random request from people to buy it off me but no, my baby haha
I'm not sure they'll ever attain Supra-level Japanese classic status, but they were definitely underappreciated when new, and have all the makings of future collectibles.
I'm looking for one... It's killing me. They are so rare.
@@cratelab I have one that is a gem with low miles and I wouldn't give it up for anything. I've owned many high powered sport cars in my life (Like an EVO VIII) and the MS6 is better than all of them. I will never sell it and I think many other owners feels the same, hence dropping down the supply since only 10,000 came to NA anyway and probably half are wrecked. They are absolutely classics. If you see one for sale jump on in it. Ultimate sleeper car ever. Definitely faster than my EVO VIII.
@@siggylynx567 I'm torn... MPS6 or Legacy 2005-2009 Spec-B/ Legacy GT Wagon.
Why is it the things I love are so bloody hard to find.
@@siggylynx567 I really like the ms6 better then the evo?
This is badass, really makes me want to take my speed 6 racing. Maybe one day
#racecar
This is a rear classic that’s making a name again for itself these cars are beast .
Being a past ms3 owner not recently bought a speed6 all I can say is this car is a sleeper wolf in sheeps clothing
I currently have a 07 speed6 and I'm in love. People don't expect it to be as fast as it is. Keeps up with sti's from it's year
@@randomasshit5576 I agree with you
They do hang with the subaru and other cars.
some people know that speed cars are fast but with the first gen speed3 and the speed6 it is sometimes really hard to tell if they are a speed or not, so the sleeper fact is even greater for the first gen than the second gen speed3, and the 6 having awd just puts the cherry on top
Jaco_sims You nailed it right on the head
Love speed6 mines been sitting a year but will be back!
It's Clint (Phate) from MSF!
so as a speed 3 owner the rule of thumb as i've been told is not to WOT under 2800 rpm, when these guys road race certainly there are times you have fall below 2800 and need to open her up all the way, no bent rods?
Nice project wheels!👍
It is not extremely soft. One of the hardest riding cars I've had without run flats
CORKSPORT BRAKES SHOUT OUT still tuning my speed3
I miss my Speed3. The ability to to roll-on burnouts in 3rd gear was useless, but super fun.
Zoom Zoom, baby!❤😂🎉
As an owner of a 2003 c5z06 and a 2006 mazdaspeed 6 full bolt ons. Its not a corvette. But man does it ever put a smile on my face when i smoke a v8 lol
I road in this car and can confirm he is an amazing driver and this car is very fast for the class
What's the wheel specs I'm looking to go WIDE!
Arturo Carrillo Well he said he was running 335’s, and the tyres are sitting square to slightly bulged, so they’re probably 18x12’s I would say
@@KingOath nailed it!
You'll need to chop your fenders up to stuff any more than a 255 under it
What offset?
You can get 320whp out of a speed 6 with full bolt ons and a tune
great stance!
So... hundreds of hours adjusting bump steer and camber curves have lead to stiffening the suspension to zero-out bump steer and camber curves out. Sounds familiar, Mazda can really get on your nerves :)
Not so much measuring to change, but measuring to understand how to leverage the design and set the car up within those confines. SP class has almost no allowance to change geometry.
We've spent an immense amount of time taking accurate measurements of particular components to model them, so we can find better suited materials or components from other vehicles that fit. Or, in other cases like the rear bar, I modeled the entire subframe and designed a 100% bolt on ARB that is 10x more effective than the stock configuration, while decreasing the service time to only a few minutes.
What's that intake manifold?
Ford focus st intake manifold
I don't see an intercooler or turbo. Stock these cars, when they were new, made 270. With a CobbAccessport, intake, and exhaust, you can almost make 400hp.
♥️♥️ it a lot👍👍
So he only makes 260hp with all those bolt ons...?
That's exactly what I thought, stock figures, unless he means wheel horsepower which would mean crank powers upto around 300ish bhp would be my guess. Even then that's quite low on e85 I have a mate with a 325bhp on standard UK 99ron
He means whp. And these cars are notorious for making low hp but diesel like tq figures. I've seen less than 300 hp speed 3 and 6s that have 400+tq at 2500 rpm which is really what you need for autocross.
@@GenjitheMeowl considering the 3 makes 380nm torque stock if hope it would be 400+ mapped and also brining in that amount of torque at 2500 is rod bending material anyone who knows about the ms3 n ms6 its 3-3.5k rpm before pulling as the massive whack in torque is sure to make you meet a rod outside the block sooner or later
I'm talking foot pounds of tq not nm. Sorry. So 400 tq is 540ish nm. And it is very rough on the motor but that's the way they were built. A good tuner will limit tq below 3k but I've seen alot of speed 3s and 6s making 500plus nm at very low rpm and living long healthy lives.
Mine hit full boost 20 psi before 3k.
Too bad I’m building my ms6 to race in A modified, would’ve loved to have some comparable competition
260 on a fully bolted e30 Mzr wtf
that what im saying? maybe he meant 360
Ok 👌
How is a real mazdaspeed6 making only 260hp with all the bolt-on upgrades and e85??? The factory Mazdaspeed6 makes about 285hp!!
The factory one makes 280 at the crank, and 200 at the wheels. I assume he was referring to 260hp at the wheels, which is surprisingly low for full bolt-on + e85. He could probably make low 300s with a more aggressive tune but maybe he's after a bit more reliability as in this class you're not allowed to do any internal work
You also need to tune for the entire RPM range of power. Having a broad flat tq curve helps the car pull out of the turns.
@@Ekrooool factory is 260hp and 280 ft lbs torque
@@jb6574 at the crank, not whp
What’s the point of 335s and big brakes if ur making less than 300 Hp? I am doing just fine on 215s with over 300 whp.
Lol it's not for straight lines.
@@phate1985 eh even for what he’s doing from my experience 300 is sluggish. His setup is overkill. When ur tires are that big u can’t u turn or make hairpins.
@@sav7123 lol no. You clearly don't understand what this car is built for.
You wont be the only one racing a mazda 6
260 lmfao my speed 6 isn’t full bolt on and make over 300whp
Different builds and goals my guy but that’s cool 300+ whp 👌🏽
They didnt even start the car ! I wanted my time
Tbh, that car has a 2.3l Turbo Duratec, aka, the same 2.3l Duratec Ecoboost from the 2015+ mustangs 🤷
Theo Dosis it’s not called “Duratec” It’s a 2.3L disi mzr turbo motor. Duratec is fords name for their motors. Mzr is Mazda’s name for their motors. There was say that ford took it to use it for their cars under the eco boost name tho. Which you are correct on. I believe the ST’s also have a 2.3 turbo that is similar to the one in the speed6/speed3
@@datlac95 Yep. FoMoCo parts bin sharing occurred, but this is a fully Mazdaspeed designed engine with many unique features that are uniquely Mazda. In many ways the 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo is more stout than the Ecoboost 2.0s and 2.3s, despite them being more than 10 years newer.
@@datlac95 And just for the sake of clarity, the MZR 2.3 is different than the 2.3 in the RS and the Mustang. The Ford 2.3 is actually known to suffer from block weakness/cracking, as outlined here:
ruclips.net/video/CuGodKdRLpE/видео.html
The MZR 2.3 DISI doesn't have that problem because it's a different, more stout design. Many Ford 2.3s do a 2.0 swap due to this known weakness.
260hp? That’s not right