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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @mrplow8
    @mrplow8 11 месяцев назад +62

    “Not everybody can pick up Johnny.” Somebody should tell everybody then, because they’re doing it.

    • @Andigames235
      @Andigames235 11 месяцев назад +13

      Johnny is the most beginner friendly character this game has to offer lol.

    • @peytonalexander5300
      @peytonalexander5300 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Andigames235literally, just memorize the inputs and go to work. He has a high skill ceiling, but the bar to entry is literally so low.

    • @Andigames235
      @Andigames235 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@peytonalexander5300 nah, just do f3-2, and mix in the strike throw.
      If you pair up Johnny with Sub Zero Kameo, you get in for free against most of the cast and he can do f3-2 freeze, taunt, 2-1-4 ex rising star, jump 2, 2-1-2, f3-2 and shadow kick. About 38% and the next two touches should guarantee full hype meter.

    • @chromecastles
      @chromecastles 10 месяцев назад

      @@Andigames235howww. i spent the last week learning him and i can’t get an online dub 😭

  • @PokemonAdviceVGC
    @PokemonAdviceVGC 11 месяцев назад +100

    Lmaooo I knew dude talking about “grabbing is cheap it’s not in my repertoire” was gonna be a Johnny cage player

    • @TheJoker-my2xz
      @TheJoker-my2xz 11 месяцев назад +3

      How times have changed, when in 11 Johnny was the premier grabber

    • @peytonalexander5300
      @peytonalexander5300 11 месяцев назад +1

      Lol this is like being an MMA fighter who never trains their ground game because grappling is for pussies. Like okay, but you’re going to lose every match???

  • @ZealotCore101
    @ZealotCore101 11 месяцев назад +114

    “That’s a zero from me.”

    • @dartawnasailo4449
      @dartawnasailo4449 11 месяцев назад +3

      Why does he always say and do that😂😂😂....thats a zero from me too

    • @anyways827
      @anyways827 11 месяцев назад +3

      that reminds me of one of the baddie sisters. the dude said its a zero from me as well when sikander beat exotic baddie. that was really funny cause a screaming match occured right after that

    • @ChuckBassFGC
      @ChuckBassFGC 11 месяцев назад +1

      “That’s a zero from me” 🤓🤓

    • @thesaltmerchant4564
      @thesaltmerchant4564 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@dartawnasailo4449he's stirring the pot in a very passive aggressive way

    • @GarlicThe2nd
      @GarlicThe2nd 11 месяцев назад +1

      This line may be my next tattoo. It’s has brought me much joy and laughter since MK1 launch.

  • @sGzBugz
    @sGzBugz 11 месяцев назад +38

    At first the “that’s a zero from me” was nothing to me. Now it’s funny af to me bc of how foxy just says it for no reason 😭

  • @commiecomrade2644
    @commiecomrade2644 11 месяцев назад +3

    crying about grabs is the scrub mating call

  • @sairaputic
    @sairaputic 11 месяцев назад +6

    “IF YOU FUCKIN SAY THAT AGAIN MATE. im not aggressive” killed me

  • @mr.delete6066
    @mr.delete6066 11 месяцев назад +10

    That "Another victim for the experiment" guy lmao.

  • @MastaToken
    @MastaToken 11 месяцев назад +7

    23:09 Had me crying. SPAMMING LOSSES LMFAO

  • @sonofaballer96
    @sonofaballer96 11 месяцев назад +6

    This is so cool. F0xy got in a hill with all these guys from MK11. They probably dont even know theyre in his soundboard.

  • @FinalAnthony
    @FinalAnthony 11 месяцев назад +59

    I can’t lie, if I was as good as Foxy this is exactly the type of shit I would be doing 😂

    • @danielshalin3732
      @danielshalin3732 11 месяцев назад +2

      Same bruv

    • @demonicpassage
      @demonicpassage 11 месяцев назад

      Motherfucker I'd be honing my skills ain't got a chance against sonic fox

    • @AF0xyGrampa
      @AF0xyGrampa  11 месяцев назад +21

      I beat Sonic last time we played in tournament 🤷🏽‍♂️
      It’s also completely not worth honing your skills for that purpose anyway.

    • @FinalAnthony
      @FinalAnthony 11 месяцев назад +17

      Yeah being a professional mk player just ain’t it right now
      But honing my skills so I can be a professional asshole to everyone I face??? Endless self entertainment right there 😂

    • @Zantetsuken94
      @Zantetsuken94 11 месяцев назад

      @@AF0xyGrampa Bro I think you're in the right line of work - beating Sonic Fox and entertaining us with salty af MK1 players. You should be paid not from tournaments but from sheer comedic value.

  • @Jaytheteen
    @Jaytheteen 11 месяцев назад +22

    I literally just lost 2 games to grab lords and hop on YT and see this 😂

    • @IXIBankaiIXI
      @IXIBankaiIXI 11 месяцев назад +8

      Tech them, crouch them or down 1. You got options. Not every character has high low mix ups and have to grab to open an opponent up and/or get in some consistent damage of people just holding down block.

    • @DerriereConnoisseur
      @DerriereConnoisseur 11 месяцев назад +6

      At the high ranks in KL it’s hard to spam grabs cuz these dudes either know how to micro duck, make more consistent reads, or spam D1 constantly

    • @lmCobraTate
      @lmCobraTate 11 месяцев назад +1

      mayb stop getting grabbed

    • @hands-ongaming7180
      @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@DerriereConnoisseurd1 will get you grabbed sometimes.

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад +1

      IT WAS MEEEE. Get gripped

  • @georgesears934
    @georgesears934 11 месяцев назад +3

    Bro, responding to hate mail mid-match... built different.

  • @j.b.595
    @j.b.595 11 месяцев назад +6

    A Johnny player was the only person to get me pissed online. I wanted to jump through the damn tv and fight him IRL 😂.

  • @Ru0000
    @Ru0000 11 месяцев назад +1

    0:20 “i dont like anyone grabbing me its not fair” -Foxy 🦊 😂

  • @squishycc9402
    @squishycc9402 11 месяцев назад +18

    Fun denial starts at 20:20

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад +2

      You the man for this

  • @Geez1020
    @Geez1020 11 месяцев назад +5

    Jesus that guy became a fan of yours fast lol he was breaking down your game play every fight lol

  • @dumpler5445
    @dumpler5445 11 месяцев назад +4

    Ever since cyrax baraka got nerfed there’s just been an influx of Jonny and it’s been infuriating

  • @poshinki7043
    @poshinki7043 10 месяцев назад

    “If she up block up if she down block down” no sh*t!

  • @DetrasDeTiImbecil
    @DetrasDeTiImbecil 11 месяцев назад

    Foxy, you think Lao is the best kameo for Kitana in the long run? I use her with scorp/sub/jax and I wonder if I should rebrand a little lol

  • @A-Warthog-cc1wm
    @A-Warthog-cc1wm 7 месяцев назад +1

    23:09 no way the dude messaged you after 😭

  • @SeanBjerke
    @SeanBjerke 11 месяцев назад +15

    Is it me, or do the MK1 Koth players seem way less insufferable than the MK11 Koth players?

    • @RenegadeX025
      @RenegadeX025 11 месяцев назад +7

      I guess it’s a new era 😂

    • @Flash02558
      @Flash02558 11 месяцев назад +9

      Game just came out

    • @SeanBjerke
      @SeanBjerke 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Flash02558 i dunno, i dont think all the racist people Foxy encountered in MK11 koths became more racist as MK11 aged 😂
      But yeah, maybe not as many people are playing koths yet.

    • @Flash02558
      @Flash02558 11 месяцев назад

      @@SeanBjerke not many people are playing koth right now

  • @georgesears934
    @georgesears934 11 месяцев назад

    "Just don't get grabbed bruv."- Oscar Wilde

  • @gunbei
    @gunbei 11 месяцев назад +1

    Mileena dude thought he got a round and cooked. I’d be so upset if I saw this later 💀

    • @isaiahrodriguez2570
      @isaiahrodriguez2570 11 месяцев назад +2

      Bruh I knew I wasn’t cooking 💀 I was just so happy I could some how lower his health 🤣🤣 even though he allowed it(was busy with the stream)

  • @somesandman8328
    @somesandman8328 11 месяцев назад +13

    Every time I load up this game, I forget how to tech front and back throws X_X

  • @AdrenaLukeYT
    @AdrenaLukeYT 11 месяцев назад +2

    "LAN cable wins. Flawless victory"

  • @mopar_keys
    @mopar_keys 9 месяцев назад +1

    It’s part of the game get over it kids 😂

  • @INauseaI
    @INauseaI 10 месяцев назад

    Weed Dash is a term I can get behind

  • @AndyOtam
    @AndyOtam 11 месяцев назад +1

    34:11 I’ve never seen this brutal 😂🙌

  • @n1mand
    @n1mand 11 месяцев назад +2

    You guys play with 300+ Ping?

    • @NY9AMT
      @NY9AMT 11 месяцев назад +2

      Played a match the other day that went all the way to 1,400 ping. Was not fun

    • @hands-ongaming7180
      @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад

      @@NY9AMTbruh it’s unplayable for me after 250💀 even 200

  • @mechanizedmind2472
    @mechanizedmind2472 11 месяцев назад +4

    It’s sad bc you know the Sindel player is actually good but he’s just not used to getting smoked like this.

    • @jaytok7
      @jaytok7 11 месяцев назад +1

      so true u can tell the sindel player has some skill. But theres levels to this.

  • @hypeman2000
    @hypeman2000 11 месяцев назад +1

    He will be gripped lol

  • @Philosopheraptor
    @Philosopheraptor 11 месяцев назад

    F0xy the Great Grampa back at it again

  • @gunnerarellano7157
    @gunnerarellano7157 11 месяцев назад +8

    Lmao 😂not the grab it’s cheating so is high blocking lol 😵

  • @mooncalf_4534
    @mooncalf_4534 11 месяцев назад +2

    This is how I find out Matthew Perry died wtf

  • @JodiDaGasserTv
    @JodiDaGasserTv 11 месяцев назад +8

    🦊 C 👴🏾

  • @LyteGamingLG
    @LyteGamingLG 11 месяцев назад +4

    Did anyone notice that Shang Tsung at the time 9:43 was doing his I think DB3 the nailed floor thing. He was doing that on the Sindel and wasn’t hitting her at all not even block damage but he was gaining meter every time he did it.

    • @darwinduckdoesarts
      @darwinduckdoesarts 11 месяцев назад +6

      Yeah, doing specials gains you meter, doesn't matter if they hit ir not

    • @BobsonQDugnutt
      @BobsonQDugnutt 11 месяцев назад +1

      Fun Fact: dash canceling rain’s BF1 also will give meter for free. When Sonicfox was playing at ECT whenever they were full screen dash cancelling back and forth that wasn’t just for bm or footsies that was optimal af

    • @LyteGamingLG
      @LyteGamingLG 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@darwinduckdoesarts dang bro I didn’t know that thanks that’s crazy.

    • @LyteGamingLG
      @LyteGamingLG 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@BobsonQDugnutt I didn’t even notice that I went back and looked at it and it makes sense why he does it all the time for seemingly no reason that’s crazy.

  • @MarcBSM
    @MarcBSM 11 месяцев назад +3

    Momma I made it to RUclips 🎉

  • @vvs_drip7142
    @vvs_drip7142 11 месяцев назад +1

    Is only naijakiller that can deal with foxy gameplay

  • @NarcoticDimension
    @NarcoticDimension 11 месяцев назад +7

    If you are reading this... I'm gonna tell you, if you want to get far in the new mk... use JC

    • @nesyaj0301
      @nesyaj0301 11 месяцев назад +1

      Seriously. I'm a Sub-Zero loyalist and I even have a pocket Cage now. I've never played Johnny Cage in a single MK game before this one.

    • @sw00n85
      @sw00n85 11 месяцев назад +2

      Nah Johnny lame asf

    • @OctopusH2O
      @OctopusH2O 11 месяцев назад +3

      Thats a silly mentality

    • @NarcoticDimension
      @NarcoticDimension 11 месяцев назад

      @@OctopusH2O the worst part is? It's true... :(

    • @FreeMovies01
      @FreeMovies01 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@NarcoticDimensionI play liu kang and li mei

  • @vvs_drip7142
    @vvs_drip7142 11 месяцев назад

    😂🤣 zero from me by d way

  • @Dubsup13
    @Dubsup13 11 месяцев назад

    Dope video this shit funny af😂

  • @postkobe7210
    @postkobe7210 11 месяцев назад +1

    Foxy you should pull out Reiko & zone all game. make ppl rage 💀

  • @slowmotion8731
    @slowmotion8731 11 месяцев назад +4

    Its funny when ppl complain about grabs lol. Tech that shit and move on. If you cant do that, than thats on you lol

    • @AuContraireMonFraire
      @AuContraireMonFraire 11 месяцев назад +2

      Facts. Scrubs always making up house rules on basic fighting game mechanics.

    • @hands-ongaming7180
      @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад

      Nah texhing is hard in this game. Play any other fighting game. Grab teching is hard in mk ironically

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад

      @@hands-ongaming7180yeah but grabs are way faster in most other games , offline you can tech grabs on reaction so the tech window should be smaller

    • @hands-ongaming7180
      @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад

      @@amoff2009 yet people still get grabbed offline too. 10 frame grabs are slower, but that’s still 10 frames

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад

      @@hands-ongaming7180 yeah but you said in comparison to other games . Where the tech window is smaller and grabs are faster you basically have to tech on prediction in most other games

  • @br3ishe
    @br3ishe 11 месяцев назад +1

    It’s so strange how people come up with all these rules online how you should play. These dudes would never survive at any tournament lol

  • @P0rk_Sinigang
    @P0rk_Sinigang 10 месяцев назад +1

    Man, players hating grabs is a timeless fighting game scrub quote.
    Do mma fans complain about grappling?

  • @dshadygaming7465
    @dshadygaming7465 11 месяцев назад

    lol had some people lose the mind when i grab them.

  • @kynghyper7230
    @kynghyper7230 11 месяцев назад

    If tech grab was the same button to grab it would be a lot easier to react to im so upset they can’t let you change it

    • @kazeshini7286
      @kazeshini7286 10 месяцев назад +1

      Get in the lab and practice those micro ducks

  • @derekwhite4312
    @derekwhite4312 11 месяцев назад

    I can understand why someone might think blocking is scrubby since it definitely helps my noob ass win lol but I mean he can just grab too…

  • @sjont
    @sjont 11 месяцев назад

    Big fan of you!

  • @oldmanlexington276
    @oldmanlexington276 11 месяцев назад

    W KoTH 🔥👊

  • @HeroHero-kd5tg
    @HeroHero-kd5tg 11 месяцев назад +1

    Dudes mic sounds like he's chewing on fruity pebbles

  • @ChuckNorrisDragonborn
    @ChuckNorrisDragonborn 11 месяцев назад

    Other soul harvested

  • @expander3710
    @expander3710 11 месяцев назад +1

    Where is ToiletTerry69?

  • @ashittygamer
    @ashittygamer 11 месяцев назад

    i Just Looked at the thumbnail and saw "I HATE CRABS" but it wasnt...

  • @daredevil9065
    @daredevil9065 10 месяцев назад

    grabbin is Banned

  • @migueltorres6878
    @migueltorres6878 11 месяцев назад

    That’s a zero from me

  • @roul3688
    @roul3688 11 месяцев назад

    I hate crabs too

  • @dvnte2621
    @dvnte2621 11 месяцев назад

    Ong I press 1 or 3 on my controller, perfect timing nad all that, but I'm still getting grabbed idk why

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад +1

      Tech window in this game is small , grabs are pretty hard to tech, or you didn’t release block in time . At least that’s just what I think

    • @dvnte2621
      @dvnte2621 11 месяцев назад

      can I just mash or it wont work?

    • @OctopusH2O
      @OctopusH2O 11 месяцев назад

      @@dvnte2621you have to let go of block when pressing 1 or 2

    • @OctopusH2O
      @OctopusH2O 11 месяцев назад

      @@amoff2009its easier than mk11, larger window for tech throws

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@dvnte2621 no it’s specific to the throw direction and you have to let go of block to tech

  • @StyleS_
    @StyleS_ 11 месяцев назад

    I hate grabs too ngl

  • @lordpoonslayer7808
    @lordpoonslayer7808 11 месяцев назад

    Love when ppl make excuses in these kinda games

  • @iSpitboxer
    @iSpitboxer 11 месяцев назад

    Lmfaooooo

  • @hands-ongaming7180
    @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад +1

    Kind of respect these guys only because they don’t get salty over raiden. Too many people just like to cry over him

    • @jaytok7
      @jaytok7 11 месяцев назад +4

      the problem with raiden is he can do nothing all game but win by doing just 2 combos

    • @hands-ongaming7180
      @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@jaytok7 😂🤣🤣

    • @hands-ongaming7180
      @hands-ongaming7180 11 месяцев назад

      @@jaytok7 bro Raiden’s damage is terrible now.

  • @SorcererDaveFan
    @SorcererDaveFan 11 месяцев назад +1

    Grab and spamming is part of game shouldn't be mad of you are enough good at game so you can deal with it

  • @BigPapaSquid
    @BigPapaSquid 10 месяцев назад

    I just don’t get it bro grabbing is a part of the game deal with it 😂😂

  • @Burtyburtburt8
    @Burtyburtburt8 11 месяцев назад +1

    Is that the ivy person thing

  • @gunnamike3471
    @gunnamike3471 11 месяцев назад

    Mk1 koth 🤘🏼🤘🏼

  • @rihotonara1378
    @rihotonara1378 11 месяцев назад

    is that Ivy ??? 😍😍😍

  • @Jean-z5f4z
    @Jean-z5f4z 11 месяцев назад

    Hahaaa

  • @DadBodFit
    @DadBodFit 11 месяцев назад

    Reiko is op cause grab duh

  • @esukyd2328
    @esukyd2328 11 месяцев назад

    Oh, you don't like grabs? Well I don't like cheap ass easy 40% combo strings. Do what I do, Deal with it.

  • @MyNameIsJeff2023
    @MyNameIsJeff2023 11 месяцев назад

    Stop turtling in low block scrub 😂

  • @danielshalin3732
    @danielshalin3732 11 месяцев назад

    Lan cable ruined 😢

  • @Flash02558
    @Flash02558 11 месяцев назад +4

    I’m sure the guys at Boston dynamics could get their backflipping robot to play Johnny cage at a high level, literally any person with a functioning brain could play Johnny cage it no skill whatsoever to spam the same string and force your opponent to guess on overhead or low

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад +1

      Johnny doesn’t make you guess overhead or low though ?

    • @Flash02558
      @Flash02558 11 месяцев назад

      @@amoff2009 if he wants he can keep mashing 212 or 2144 which end in overhead or low forcing you to guess which ender he’s going to use overhead or low it’s what basically all of them do to apply pressure

    • @amoff2009
      @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Flash02558 ohh I see what you mean . Yeah if you learn to fuzzy it it’s really not bad . 15-30 minutes in practice and you’ll be good my dude

    • @Flash02558
      @Flash02558 11 месяцев назад

      @@amoff2009 why’d you reply to me you don’t know what you’re talking about

    • @RD-2709
      @RD-2709 11 месяцев назад

      While I agree with Johnny being east asf, what you're describing (a 50/50) is one of the most common mix up mechanics in fighting games, and if you have a problem with them then fighting games are not for you

  • @gcaban81
    @gcaban81 11 месяцев назад

    U don’t grab? But whining is ok🙄

  • @KeemJL
    @KeemJL 11 месяцев назад

    the audio is so bad and static-y

    • @RD-2709
      @RD-2709 11 месяцев назад

      Welcome to console headset mic quality 😂

  • @King0vtreez_Universe
    @King0vtreez_Universe 11 месяцев назад

    I HATE GRABS ITS JUST HITTING ONE BUTTON! ( damn they so damn good at the game continuing to click that one button)I AGREE 1,000,000% HATE GRAB SPAMMERS

    • @yeetnessmcfinn501
      @yeetnessmcfinn501 11 месяцев назад +5

      grabs are fine, but the fact that theyre a 50/50 guess is just really stupid to me

    • @bleedingrevo
      @bleedingrevo 11 месяцев назад +6

      Skill issue

    • @peytonalexander5300
      @peytonalexander5300 11 месяцев назад +2

      You know what else is one button? Teching grabs. Get good, scrub.

    • @yeetnessmcfinn501
      @yeetnessmcfinn501 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@peytonalexander5300 teching is a 50/50 between 2 buttons, but i get your drift

    • @RD-2709
      @RD-2709 11 месяцев назад

      Spoken like a true noob

  • @Kawaiidontjump
    @Kawaiidontjump 11 месяцев назад

    Grabs are cool. Sareena players and smoke players are cheap.

  • @amoff2009
    @amoff2009 11 месяцев назад

    I will grip all of you (except foxy )

  • @sorrow8899
    @sorrow8899 11 месяцев назад +4

    Hey I just wanted to share some good news. People wonder why we die. I know the answer. The Bible says that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. God pays us in death for breaking His law. The Bible says that all liars have there part in the lake of fire no thief no blasphemer no adulterer will inheret the Kingdom of God. If you judge yourself by God's standards then you'll be guilty like me. So what did God do for guilty sinners so we wouldn't have to go to hell. God sent His son to die on the cross for our sins. Most people know that but they don't know this. The 10 commandments are called the moral law. You and I broke the law and Jesus paid the fine. If your in court and you have a stack of speeding fines the judge can let you go if someone pays them. He can do that which is legal and right and just. And Jesus paid our fine in full when He died on the cross for us and rose on the third day. What we must do in response is trust in Jesus for our salvation and not our goodness because we don't have any. Jesus said there is none good but God. So please trust in Jesus and turn from your sin and you'll be born again and God will give you a new heart with new desires that will want to please Him. Thank you for reading and please think about this.

    • @AF0xyGrampa
      @AF0xyGrampa  11 месяцев назад +41

      This post made me want to sin, thanks.

    • @DanielSmith-ll2iw
      @DanielSmith-ll2iw 11 месяцев назад

      Lmao 😂

    • @benzhq563
      @benzhq563 11 месяцев назад

      @@AF0xyGrampa ill give him a fatality

    • @NiGHTS1980
      @NiGHTS1980 11 месяцев назад +8

      I must consult the Elder Gods regarding this.

    • @koreyj1987
      @koreyj1987 11 месяцев назад +9

      God is trying to watch the grab-a-thon, let Him enjoy the content, please. Amen tho 😂

  • @kaoticfetty9496
    @kaoticfetty9496 11 месяцев назад

    I hate pecks. People that start combo instant to low with johnny are terrible

  • @staxksev4107
    @staxksev4107 11 месяцев назад

    Mkx was so much better..this game is stupid with so many grabs… like just use 50/50s it makes the game so much fun …grabs bails out weak offensive minded people. Mad cause you can’t get pass great defense

    • @norf-kr6od
      @norf-kr6od 11 месяцев назад +3

      If you have great defense you wouldn’t be so triggered by grabs lol

    • @AuContraireMonFraire
      @AuContraireMonFraire 11 месяцев назад +1

      @staxksev4107 if you’re trash at MK1 just say that bruv

    • @bleedingrevo
      @bleedingrevo 11 месяцев назад +1

      Skill issue

    • @branden7555
      @branden7555 11 месяцев назад +1

      Scrub quotes

    • @AF0xyGrampa
      @AF0xyGrampa  11 месяцев назад +6

      Only 3 characters in MK1 have real 5050s you know 😂
      Grabs are fundamental parts of all 2D fighters, for a lot of characters they’re the only way to force people off of block.
      But really, what I should say is: Skill issue

  • @dEAdAimGUNSHOT
    @dEAdAimGUNSHOT 11 месяцев назад

    7:21
    Another victim for the experiments ;)