The mentioned opposition probably didn't read any of the thousands examples where restricting cars from the main street brought an increase of sales. I guess they think drinking a coffee next to a loud, smelly, noisy road is the most amazing thing.
It's a repeating pattern, the business owners themselves drive to their store and want convenient parking, but then project this experience onto their customers. In towns across the globe we see this misunderstanding by business owners of how many of their customers don't actually drive (and park) to shop there
In my corner of the world (downtown Oakland, California), I've noticed that many of the parked cars on the street belong to adjacent shop owners, as evidenced by them running out every 2 hours to move their car to a different spot and seeing the same cars parked on each block day after day. So whenever the city talks about taking away street parking for parklets, bike lanes, daylighting crosswalks, etc., these shop owners come out of the woodworks to complain about lost business when in reality I think they're concerned about losing their own convenient parking.
@@Unmannedperson Which sometimes is almost understandable. Due to an expanding housing affordability crisis, as well as a general lack of quality transit, etc. Many small business owners & employees are car dependent for their own commutes. Even though their businesses thrive under a car-lite environment, and many if not the vast majority of their customers don't drive to their establishment...
Correction: Hoboken, like many US cities, was not designed for cars, it was bulldozed for cars after WW2. It’s just that they found the sense to give more of that space back to people instead.
Hoboken wasn't bulldozed that much after WW2 because it was kinda poor, it didn't have money to build highways. A lot of immigrants were pushed from New York Downtown to Hoboken and Jersey City, nobody cared about them. The street grid is still the same as it was in 1800s. And it's great!
The best part about something like "20 is plenty" is that it makes driving around Hoboken a bit more of a chore. I see tons of people complaining about the traffic through there, but that's exactly the kind of response you want to see. Encourage people to leave their cars at home (or not have one at all) and take public transit.
Now pair this with less zoning restrictions, incentivizing density and local business, while having reliable, safe, convenient public transportation and you have a strong town! EDIT: I do not know much about Hoboken, this was meant as a general statement for other cities to not only follow what Hoboken is doing, but other methods that compound and vastly improve cities walkability, livability, and just about everything else
20mph zones are common in european citie and, since few years, they created "encounters zones" with a speed limit under 15mph (20 kph) with high priority for pedestrians and no parking zones but with large sidewalks and priority circulation for bikes. Most of the time these zones are in old city centers where it's impossible to improve traffic so they decided to make those zones harder to use for cars but easier for pedestrians and bicycles. I don't know the efficiency of these zones but it's an idea that Hoboken can use easily (and lot of other cities too)
Ive driven many times thru Hoboken and you genuinely feel like you just cannot go fast in the streets. This design clearly works yet NYC refuses to implement any daylighting measures. Risking people's lives just to keep an extra 8 parking spots at an intersection....
Wow, what a great guy, hope he will achieve his goal👍🏻 I've been to Copenhagen and it was a pleasure to explore city on the bike, I used it even to get from the airport to the hotel I stayed. I wish more cities are like that.
A great guy? Clearly you don’t know Ravi. He was censured by the state of NJ, parks in bike lanes himself on coffee runs, and has multiple outstanding parking tickets (look it up). We can’t hire any police and those we have are retiring because he doesn’t support them. This is all political spin in his attempt to move onto to Washington.
It's important to mention that one of the main reason NYC, while signed onto the Vision Zero initiative, hasn't gotten anywhere is because they explicitly exempt themselves from many of the statewide rules, especially around daylighting at intersections to increase the number of street parking spaces. Daylighting works if you have the balls to do it
My mother and father grew up in Hoboken-dad at 821 Washington; mom at 734 Hudson. I spent summers there in the 60s and early 70s. My brother and I would cross Washington in the middle of the block. Hoboken has the lowest per capita car ownership of any city in the U.S. Fewer than 50% of residents own a car. The fact that it was developed in the early 1800s and was a relatively poor, working class town by the time the automobile came to prominence meant Hoboken always kept its walkable, wide sidewalk nature. Great to see the mayor working to improve what was always a great place.
As a commercial driver who wants to see more of this type of change, loading zones are crucial to making all of this type of stuff work. Obviously public transport is crucial as well
In my country shops in pedestrianized areas need to be supplied before 11.00 every morning, after that, the pedestrianized areas are closed for motor vehicles (supply trucks). It works just fine. At 11.00 the bollards go up and every driver of motor vehicles, still in the closed-off area, is fined. Regular roads with shops have designated loading zones. Bigger shops need to have their own loading bays, mostly at the back or side, hardly ever on the front.
washington street still needs to be updated, as well as the roads immediately adjacent to the train station into new york. it is an extremely busy pedestrian area with far too much car traffic
Just a reminder that Hoboken has a population of 50,000. You can easily find neighborhoods in NYC with 50,000 population and zero fatalities. The largest real city that has achieved zero traffic fatalities for multiple years is Gothenburg, Sweden with a population of 500,000.
I like it when I hear someone speak and can't distinguish their voice from any other typical American. Then I see their dress and other things tell me they are of a minority, foreign culture. It means they've assimilated and maintain ties to their original culture. "Twenty is plenty". Ha, try that in LA. You'd need the National Guard - fully armed, with air support - to even begin to enforce it.
It doesn't mean they assimilated. If they have an american accent, it's probably coz they were born there. Edit: Born: January 13, 1974 in Passaic, New Jersey, U.S. lol yeah, assimilating is for migrants, this guy just born and probably lived most of his life in NJ.
@@LovableCoolGuy He strikes me an foreign born. But if he were US born, he took well to our customs. Not like some ISS terrorist yearning to overthrow the great Satan American colonial capitalist. Instead he takes part in democracy and works to make his community safer.
Never understood this rampant demand to assimilate and its celeberation. He is a successful law abiding citizen who's contributing to his community - that should be the standard rather than requiring people to speak without an accent or discard their ethnic or religious heritage.
@@vmoses1979 "citizen" is a person who has intention of assimilating. Otherwise, why become a citizen? One would be a tourist ... or a terrorist, depending on intention.
@@samshepperrd According to the law citizen is one who fulfills certain requirements relating to time spent in the country and who's also completed other eligibility requirements. What you've stated - citizen equals assimilation- is the delusions some Americans have convinced themselves of. Few come into the US thinking their home culture is worthless and to be discarded to become an American citizen from Italians coming at the beginning of the 20th century to Indians coming in the 21st century.
Businesses resisting bike lanes and walkability is an actual oxymoron... Streets that promote walkability and pedestrianization as compared to cars and parking spaces have statistically achieved significantly higher customer traffic for local businesses.
I think that stories like this are extremely important because it shows that traffic deaths are not something that we have to accept. It's not a necessary evil. It's not "just the way things are". It's a choice. We can do better.
that generally would require much more in terms of investment and support, while these are smaller measures that generate future support for major projects in the future
I absolutely how they have reengineered the parking in Hoboken. Well marked roads, bike lanes its just a challenge to find parking when visiting or doing business
Nice work. However, "zero vision" is ill considered in that at a certain point you have to become extreme and sacrifice other important factors and for diminishing returns.
Hoboken is a horrible place to be a pedestrian or bike rider. I walk and ride my bike every single day to go to work, and I almost get hit on the daily. What a joke of a documentary
I can confidently guess that you have not been to hoboken in this millennia. How about instead of reading about doom and gloom you actually step outside and see for yourself before pretending you know what you’re talking about. Hoboken has hundreds of normal people walking around at any given time, many of them families.
Hoboken is one of the safest and wealthiest areas in the New York metro with very low crime rates... Everyone walks in Hoboken because no one needs a car when everything is just a 5-15 minute walk away.
if you care about the environment and are a pedestrian, wait for cars to clear, then walk, cars are the dirtiest when they stop then go, and then also your not walking around in that dirty air.
@@ChristopherMahn cities are weird, but if you like them, I could see why you would never wanna leave them and not need a car, to me, not having a car is not having freedom
@@nitrosrt4 I can respect you for needing a car. It really depends where someone lives. I can however tell you bikes and trains give me plenty of freedom, as I don't have to have inspections, fueling runs, traffic, police stops and simply go when and where I want to go. I just pay my 49€ for the Germany-Ticket and can go anywhere I want nationwide. But in the end it depends whether or not the government is supporting it's people or it's oligarchs. In the us I have a feeling that trust is very much diminished.
you feel that way because of lack of investment in alternate means to get from one place to another. this is a great example of building a bike network so cars are not needed for basic, daily tasks@@nitrosrt4
The mentioned opposition probably didn't read any of the thousands examples where restricting cars from the main street brought an increase of sales. I guess they think drinking a coffee next to a loud, smelly, noisy road is the most amazing thing.
It's a repeating pattern, the business owners themselves drive to their store and want convenient parking, but then project this experience onto their customers. In towns across the globe we see this misunderstanding by business owners of how many of their customers don't actually drive (and park) to shop there
In my corner of the world (downtown Oakland, California), I've noticed that many of the parked cars on the street belong to adjacent shop owners, as evidenced by them running out every 2 hours to move their car to a different spot and seeing the same cars parked on each block day after day. So whenever the city talks about taking away street parking for parklets, bike lanes, daylighting crosswalks, etc., these shop owners come out of the woodworks to complain about lost business when in reality I think they're concerned about losing their own convenient parking.
@@Unmannedperson Which sometimes is almost understandable. Due to an expanding housing affordability crisis, as well as a general lack of quality transit, etc. Many small business owners & employees are car dependent for their own commutes. Even though their businesses thrive under a car-lite environment, and many if not the vast majority of their customers don't drive to their establishment...
Correction: Hoboken, like many US cities, was not designed for cars, it was bulldozed for cars after WW2. It’s just that they found the sense to give more of that space back to people instead.
Hoboken wasn't bulldozed that much after WW2 because it was kinda poor, it didn't have money to build highways. A lot of immigrants were pushed from New York Downtown to Hoboken and Jersey City, nobody cared about them. The street grid is still the same as it was in 1800s. And it's great!
The best part about something like "20 is plenty" is that it makes driving around Hoboken a bit more of a chore. I see tons of people complaining about the traffic through there, but that's exactly the kind of response you want to see. Encourage people to leave their cars at home (or not have one at all) and take public transit.
You can literally walk the entire Hoboken in 30 minutes. I've done it many times. There is also a tram, but unfortunately it's not very frequent.
Now pair this with less zoning restrictions, incentivizing density and local business, while having reliable, safe, convenient public transportation and you have a strong town!
EDIT: I do not know much about Hoboken, this was meant as a general statement for other cities to not only follow what Hoboken is doing, but other methods that compound and vastly improve cities walkability, livability, and just about everything else
Pretty sure Hoboken is already a strong town , it’s more dense than NYC.
How does lesser zoning restriction result in a strong town?
@@TheJayant98some zoning restrictions only allow single family home which cost a lot to the community
Hoboken has the highest public transportation mode share in the country, and is part of one of the only two 24-hour public transportation systems.
Does Hoboken even have single family homes? It’s already incredibly dense
20mph zones are common in european citie and, since few years, they created "encounters zones" with a speed limit under 15mph (20 kph) with high priority for pedestrians and no parking zones but with large sidewalks and priority circulation for bikes.
Most of the time these zones are in old city centers where it's impossible to improve traffic so they decided to make those zones harder to use for cars but easier for pedestrians and bicycles. I don't know the efficiency of these zones but it's an idea that Hoboken can use easily (and lot of other cities too)
Ive driven many times thru Hoboken and you genuinely feel like you just cannot go fast in the streets. This design clearly works yet NYC refuses to implement any daylighting measures. Risking people's lives just to keep an extra 8 parking spots at an intersection....
Wow, what a great guy, hope he will achieve his goal👍🏻 I've been to Copenhagen and it was a pleasure to explore city on the bike, I used it even to get from the airport to the hotel I stayed. I wish more cities are like that.
It's NIMBY city where nothing functions.
@@hyperflys Apparently traffic calming has managed to stop pedestrian deaths, so that works.
A great guy? Clearly you don’t know Ravi. He was censured by the state of NJ, parks in bike lanes himself on coffee runs, and has multiple outstanding parking tickets (look it up). We can’t hire any police and those we have are retiring because he doesn’t support them. This is all political spin in his attempt to move onto to Washington.
@@nancypincus sad to hear it, this was the first time I heard something about him😔
It's important to mention that one of the main reason NYC, while signed onto the Vision Zero initiative, hasn't gotten anywhere is because they explicitly exempt themselves from many of the statewide rules, especially around daylighting at intersections to increase the number of street parking spaces. Daylighting works if you have the balls to do it
Go Hoboken!
My mother and father grew up in Hoboken-dad at 821 Washington; mom at 734 Hudson. I spent summers there in the 60s and early 70s. My brother and I would cross Washington in the middle of the block. Hoboken has the lowest per capita car ownership of any city in the U.S. Fewer than 50% of residents own a car. The fact that it was developed in the early 1800s and was a relatively poor, working class town by the time the automobile came to prominence meant Hoboken always kept its walkable, wide sidewalk nature. Great to see the mayor working to improve what was always a great place.
As a commercial driver who wants to see more of this type of change, loading zones are crucial to making all of this type of stuff work. Obviously public transport is crucial as well
In my country shops in pedestrianized areas need to be supplied before 11.00 every morning, after that, the pedestrianized areas are closed for motor vehicles (supply trucks). It works just fine. At 11.00 the bollards go up and every driver of motor vehicles, still in the closed-off area, is fined. Regular roads with shops have designated loading zones. Bigger shops need to have their own loading bays, mostly at the back or side, hardly ever on the front.
@@RealConstructor so many businesses would lose their minds here over that.
I only bike, I actually don't mind deliveries accidentally using a bike lane.
We need more mayors like him!
This is great to see. And the mayor really understands what’s needed, i.e. to change the culture. Well done sir!
"Changing the culture of mobility" 👍
When the people are working... Nice job. Safety is the first!
i like how he speaks on this topic, i think more of our cities should be taking this type of approach
Great job to Hoboken!!!
washington street still needs to be updated, as well as the roads immediately adjacent to the train station into new york. it is an extremely busy pedestrian area with far too much car traffic
That guy (the mayor$”) is great!
Just a reminder that Hoboken has a population of 50,000. You can easily find neighborhoods in NYC with 50,000 population and zero fatalities. The largest real city that has achieved zero traffic fatalities for multiple years is Gothenburg, Sweden with a population of 500,000.
Sikh dude with jersey accent is sending me
we need this ALL over New Jersey!! Union City needs this as well as Weehawken
Now if only Harrison and Newark would follow suit 🙃
Not just bike would be proud
cool mayor!
I like it when I hear someone speak and can't distinguish their voice from any other typical American. Then I see their dress and other things tell me they are of a minority, foreign culture. It means they've assimilated and maintain ties to their original culture.
"Twenty is plenty". Ha, try that in LA. You'd need the National Guard - fully armed, with air support - to even begin to enforce it.
It doesn't mean they assimilated. If they have an american accent, it's probably coz they were born there.
Edit: Born: January 13, 1974 in Passaic, New Jersey, U.S.
lol yeah, assimilating is for migrants, this guy just born and probably lived most of his life in NJ.
@@LovableCoolGuy He strikes me an foreign born. But if he were US born, he took well to our customs. Not like some ISS terrorist yearning to overthrow the great Satan American colonial capitalist.
Instead he takes part in democracy and works to make his community safer.
Never understood this rampant demand to assimilate and its celeberation. He is a successful law abiding citizen who's contributing to his community - that should be the standard rather than requiring people to speak without an accent or discard their ethnic or religious heritage.
@@vmoses1979 "citizen" is a person who has intention of assimilating. Otherwise, why become a citizen? One would be a tourist ... or a terrorist, depending on intention.
@@samshepperrd According to the law citizen is one who fulfills certain requirements relating to time spent in the country and who's also completed other eligibility requirements. What you've stated - citizen equals assimilation- is the delusions some Americans have convinced themselves of. Few come into the US thinking their home culture is worthless and to be discarded to become an American citizen from Italians coming at the beginning of the 20th century to Indians coming in the 21st century.
Businesses resisting bike lanes and walkability is an actual oxymoron... Streets that promote walkability and pedestrianization as compared to cars and parking spaces have statistically achieved significantly higher customer traffic for local businesses.
Amsterdam on Hudson 😉
More like Antwerp on the Hudson ....☺
(As the original Hoboken is a suburb of Antwerp .)
yessss thats how the waterfront feels to me
I think that stories like this are extremely important because it shows that traffic deaths are not something that we have to accept. It's not a necessary evil. It's not "just the way things are". It's a choice. We can do better.
So happy for this.
This looks amazing. Shame that LA is so behind on their Vision Zero goals.
This guy turned Hoboken into a civilized city. Something very difficult for the American conservative to understand.
Don't you mean UnAmerican Conservative? After Bush & Trump & Putin....
Chuck Mahron is a conservative.
LOL. Watching the business community finally catch up to reality on cars (kinda) is so funny.
Wonderful job… I benefitted from the efforts…. E skateboarding ❤❤❤
Now I call this PROGRESS.
Like the mayor. Great job
Great work Hoboken Mayor and NYC Mayor. Keep it going. Show America it can be done. More Livable cities.
Now id like to actually see intensive investment. Not just buckets of paint
that generally would require much more in terms of investment and support, while these are smaller measures that generate future support for major projects in the future
Washington needs protected bike lanes . . . especially w ubereats delivery pros bike lanes r nvr open during meantime
wondering whose blocking ¿Help?
20 is plenty? That’s impressive
I absolutely how they have reengineered the parking in Hoboken. Well marked roads, bike lanes its just a challenge to find parking when visiting or doing business
Some of those streets look incredibly mainland European. I wouldn't have even though I was in the US, let alone just outside New York city! :o
Nice work. However, "zero vision" is ill considered in that at a certain point you have to become extreme and sacrifice other important factors and for diminishing returns.
We need him in ny
Awesome!
This is dope!
Please come be the mayor of Berkeley Ca
Becky, Karen and Caleb love riding their bikes in Hoboken while congesting NYC with their cars.
soon congesting NYC with their cars will cost them a lot of money
Cope and seethe
You jinxed them
Comparing Apples to Oranges.
East Orange is a different part of Jersey.
@strongtowns
@notJustBikes
Hoboken is a horrible place to be a pedestrian or bike rider. I walk and ride my bike every single day to go to work, and I almost get hit on the daily. What a joke of a documentary
Tell them to look both ways before they cross the street.
Pdoblem solved.
"If you're homeless, just stop being homeless. Pdobjolbem solved"
Kudos, but when its bumper to bumper for the most part....hard to pick up a carmageddon fatality. But "props" anyways.
But they did have deaths before the changes.
No body walks in Hoboken because you'll get shot. That's why they have so few pediestrian accidnents.
I can confidently guess that you have not been to hoboken in this millennia. How about instead of reading about doom and gloom you actually step outside and see for yourself before pretending you know what you’re talking about. Hoboken has hundreds of normal people walking around at any given time, many of them families.
Hoboken is one of the safest and wealthiest areas in the New York metro with very low crime rates... Everyone walks in Hoboken because no one needs a car when everything is just a 5-15 minute walk away.
Lol, this guy is afraid of Hoboken
Wow..when was the last time you went to Hoboken?
That doesn’t make sense lol
if you care about the environment and are a pedestrian, wait for cars to clear, then walk, cars are the dirtiest when they stop then go, and then also your not walking around in that dirty air.
Do you know what is even better?
People not using their car at all, because their city is at a human scale and walking and cycling are enjoyable.
@@ChristopherMahn cities are weird, but if you like them, I could see why you would never wanna leave them and not need a car, to me, not having a car is not having freedom
@@nitrosrt4 I can respect you for needing a car. It really depends where someone lives. I can however tell you bikes and trains give me plenty of freedom, as I don't have to have inspections, fueling runs, traffic, police stops and simply go when and where I want to go. I just pay my 49€ for the Germany-Ticket and can go anywhere I want nationwide. But in the end it depends whether or not the government is supporting it's people or it's oligarchs. In the us I have a feeling that trust is very much diminished.
you feel that way because of lack of investment in alternate means to get from one place to another. this is a great example of building a bike network so cars are not needed for basic, daily tasks@@nitrosrt4
@@ChristopherMahnAmericans hate bikes and trains, but they love cars and sparse housing. You don't need a conspiracy to explain government policy.
Yawn 🥱🥱🥱
Average Income is 160k. . .
What crock of a video. . . Do better. Work harder.
This is extremely Misleading!!!
What video do you think you're commenting on?
What are you talking about???
Love you too.
Wow, a safe and livable place is desirable and that attracts people willing and able to pay a premium. What a surprise.
What’s misleading about it?