逃犯條例：彭定康解釋為什麼不能把香港當為普通中國城市對待 － BBC News 中文
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2019
- 2019年6月9日，香港爆發主權移交後最大規模示威，抗議當地政府修訂《逃犯條例》。遊行發起人估計人數高達103萬，警察則表示高峰期有24萬人參加。
然而，香港行政長官林鄭月娥堅持不會撤回修訂，將按原定計劃6月12日在立法會恢復審議草案。
前香港總督彭定康勳爵認為《逃犯條例》修訂有損香港自治權和法治，打破香港與中國大陸之間的「防火牆」。草案一旦獲通過，香港將喪失獨特地位，與中國大陸其他城市無異。
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I support Scotland to be independent immediately.
martin chan but they voted no few years ago
The most important thing is to execute the fucked up Xi Jinping. Who cares about Scotland Independence. It will happen any way.
Me too
@@CollegeRodent
After all, you are descendants of the Anglo-Saxon robbers, but you always think you're good enough to be the world's policeman like the United States
As a British citizen, I will support Scotland independence if the Scottish people decided, but unfortunately, Scottish people decided to remain in the United Kingdom.
如果你不能信任中國對香港的承諾，中國還有哪些承諾值得信任? - 彭定康
可是香港有一波人是要求香港独立，这些人要求中国承诺什么呢，他们能满意中国的什么承诺呢？承诺你香港独立？
比如我在位时从来不给香港人任何承诺，中国真傻--彭定康
johnson zeng 根本没有香港人要独立好吧，不要在这瞎扯了，我也是大陆的
@@qinghuajiang7805 嗯，是我瞎了吧。
@@user-zq9rx2qk2x 你本来就是瞎的呀，在墙里面什么都看不到，却要像盲人摸象一样
I m born and raised hong konger. I have long maintained my silence but ENOUGH is ENOUGH! These protesters forgot that people sitting on the other side of the fence also have the freedom to express our beliefs. I believe there are many of us who share the same view but are too scared to speak out because now it seems the voice of the protesters is the loudest. I m, by no means, pro-China / pro-HK govt. There are shit done by the China govt (just as ANY government) that I would not deny. and HK govt is pretty useless, because for years, the housing problem is still not resolved and many young people in HK are feeling gloomy about their future which might have largely fueled their discontent and anti-China sentiment. Extradition law is just a tipping point or a perfect opportunity to stir up this anti-China sentiment. The protesters had sent their message across but its time to STOP and finally let peace be restored in this city.
Having watched and read videos and news of both mainstream and non-mainstream news channels on this topic, I have come up with my own judgment and conclusions as to the following:
1) Currently, Hong Kong has operating extradition agreements with 18 countries: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, the United States, the Philippines, India, the Netherlands, Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Portugal, South Korea, Ireland, Germany, South Africa and Finland. I don't see why China should be excluded, especially since we are already PART of it. My initial reaction when I heard that this law was being proposed by Carrie Lam was a pure shock - because I thought there has always been such a law and this law is, in fact, somewhat common in other countries.
2) the riot continues and intensified even after the government has retracted the establishment of the extradition law - it is clear that the demands from the protesters are endless and mostly driven by intense hatred towards China. Surely, when Hong Kong was under British rule, and there was such an extradition law to surrender criminals to the UK, NO Hong Konger protested. This has shown some hong kong people's anti-China sentiment and the deep-rooted slavery mindset towards western power.
3) the British government never gave any voting rights to Hong Kongers to elect their chief - the so-called democracy is an illusion that had never existed. Even when the UK govt handed over HK to China, they only set out prerequisite conditions to protect property ownership right. Hong Kongers are protesting simply because they are anti-China.
4) Might be a weaker argument , but to me, it's inconceivable that this would apply to any typical citizens of HK - those who are WORTH catching and being surrendered to China would more likely to be those rich/corrupted people or the high degree offenders who have committed murders/ rapes etc - Hong Kong people who live their normal typical lives but from time to time might say some SHIT about China simply don't worth their time. Just think of the hefty cost to maintain and build up prisons. And as already demonstrated in the incident of the disappearance of CWB bookstore owners, if the party wants to send you across the border, they can already do it quietly without a trace.
5) The protesters accused the police of using violence - yet seldom did they mention how they occupied public roads, occupied the Police headquarters, forgetting the fact that policemen are normal human beings too; and obviously most media, those who have close ties with western media, and most western media have exaggerated the violence used by the police and understated that used by the protesters. If the HK police do not use any violence, there will also be criticisms from the other side who question the ability of the law enforcement to control the situation so that other HK people can go about their lives without being disturbed.
I agree with you.
You are a wise and beautiful girl.
你确定你看完了视频?大陆的法治是假的我负责任的告诉你。本质是人治，我们只要打官司就会想着托关系。
@@user-vn5oq1pi9r 想着托关系和托关系以及靠关系赢得官司是有区别的，你不懂？最高法裁判文书网七千多万份公开可查的裁判文书你可以去了解一下，不排除有潜规则或涉嫌枉法、腐败的判例，但是人治和法治可不是你随口说就是的。
张瀚崟 你有沒有真正了解過我們這條逃犯條例的規定？能夠引導去大陸的只有在香港法庭也認受的罪行才能夠引導到內地審判。此外對於彭定康說的話，我認為他沒有資格事後孔明說些風涼話，我父母在港英政府生活了大輩子，香港現在的社會問題其實是港英政府當時留下來的後遺症，當時港英政府容許私人發展商圈地，導致而現在房屋價格調控難以成效，此外以前港英政府也沒有實施民主，港督一直都不是我們香港人選出來的。另外香港也談不上有條件獨立，不但沒有自己的天然資源，經濟上更加是以靠內地，香港的服務業對GDP貢獻最大，佔超過九成以上，其中香港出口服務業的最大收入來源就是中國大陸。遊行人士沒有了解前因後果及整件事對香港將來發展的影響，而隨便喊着民主的旗號，實在是將香港人及香港的經濟送到墳墓. 我亦很了解內地法例的垢病, 我祖父母是以前被打壓的資本家，以前經常被捉出來批鬥，另外八九十年代的貪腐我也從親戚身上了解得很清楚, 不過我縱觀整個格局，我認為內地現在已經得到很大的改善，經濟的進步也超越了香港，加上習近平反貪的力度，令我對這政制有多點信心. 我看事情比較全面， 每件事前因後果利弊我都會作出分析, 即使香港是有條件講民主獨立的話，我也必須見到有一位強大的領袖，我才會對這個民主政策有信心；反之新加坡政府也算不上一個教科書版本的民主制度,然而領袖強大, 人民安居樂業，所以說到底不是講民主與否, 而是領導人的素質。
Northern Ireland is an independent and free country! Supporting Northern Ireland to break away from the evil rule of Britain! Long live freedom!
Yeah; the Brits; have enough on their plate; instead of worrying about the Far East!_________The Economy has shrunk by 0.2 percent this year! And NORAD could resurface anytime soon.....Also; the SNP have already cornered their old turf____My; my the amount of copies of Braveheart sold!_____My; my Mel Gibson.______Really cashed in on that one___Ever seen him in a Movie called:Attack_Force_Z. _________But; movies r movies, every seen Ryan's Daughter!______Talk about Propaganda!!!!
yeah.just do it.
There is also one other point U might want to add about the UK!The Welsh and the Welsh Assembly!__________Did U Know that during Queen Victoria's Rule over the Welsh; the Welsh were NOT allowed to even speak their own language____And as for what happened with Long-Shanks and the Isle-Of-Angle-sea; well see the "kiddies" version of History only!!!____the Grown-up version will make U shiver!!------------"Prima-Nocta"; anyone!!!----------------
Well said Chris, especially the last part. if you can't trust China to keep its words on Hong Kong, where can you trust China to keep its words
人家彭定康可是当年香港人一人一票投票选出来的白人港督当然有水平了
ZM LI 高级黑
确实
如果中國是民主的，相信香港人也不會這麼要求要普選，你有看過我們台灣人在抗議區長要民選嗎？長點智商，不要被洗腦了，井底之蛙。
彭定康不是英国政府委任的吗？原来是一人一票选出来的。
He wasn’t voted, but he won the vote of everyone of us in the bottom of our hearts
BBC pls ask him why British government didn’t give democracy to Hongkong, but assign a governor. #Double stand as always #
Dogbert NewRulingClass Qucik question, tell me what Chinese government did to force you to love their leader?
@@yinsenanhai Thanks for asking! For starters, national security bill (Article 23), moving to have the Chinese history curriculum to favor the CCP, National Education curriculum (國民敎育), diminishing Cantonese in favor for Mandarin in schools, forcing schools to transition to Chinese as medium of instruction, making flag-burning/defacing a jail-able offence, attempts to make it illegal to boo at the national anthem, severe disrespect to freedom of expressions, make TV stations play the CCP anthem before the news. I've lost count.
Glad that I was born at the colonial times and left before the CCP eroded HK! I just feel sorry for the HKers who have to live with these CCP bullshit!
Dogbert NewRulingClass Well said! Thanks for sharing. But I start wondering what nationality you were before you migrate? Obviously British didn’t approve giving Hongkongers British citizenship, and Hongkong is not a nation. Just curiosity
Dogbert NewRulingClass Good to know! Thank you. Education for patriotism of China are very unnecessary! I really hope UK government approve and authorize citizenship to Hongkongers who thought they are not Chinese in Hongkong. I support these Hongkongers!
Dear Kevin Chen, please do your research. The only reason why the British did not fully democratize Hong Kong is that China threatened war if they did. Don't just take this comment as an "insult". It really isn't. Just do the research. I beg you!
I support that England, Wales, Scotland and North Ireland to be treated differently.
They are of course parts of UK, but they are the places with their own football teams.
Lol
@@SerafinaLorelei have a nice day sir
这尼玛，香港人真的是贱。人家大英帝国到你家殖民，直接任命港督，叫印度阿三管你，不让你选举，不让你游行，缺少法治黄赌毒泛滥，警匪沆瀣一气。结果香港孙子就喜欢跪在地上叫英国人爸爸
FYI, Britain = England, Wales and Scotland. Please correct your use of terms.
@@AO-iv6yr done, thanks
I have a question. Why can British talk about their colonizing history so straightforward. It should be very dark and dirty. Why? Can someone answer this question?
Good question. Also, seeding the same thing on every place that they step down from.
That was the same I want to ask...How can a former colonizer come and tell his former slaves that he is actually doing this for their good?
Idk, maybe Hongkong was better when it was colonized😏?
Those lawyer leaders yes, they were under the british, but above the regular locals. Youngsters havent experienced that and dream about how beautiful t was.
Jeff The Nerd In fact, yes. For Hongkonger it just being colonised by mainland China from 1997, there’s no different.
However British made Hong Kong better, but China making Hong Kong worse only
子貢問政。子曰：「足食。足兵。民信之矣。」子貢曰：「必不得已而去，於斯三者何先？」曰：「去兵。」子貢曰：「必不得已而去，於斯二者何先？」曰：「去食。自古皆有死，民無信不立。」
sad that these classics were burnt by PRC
@Not Socrazy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
basically some scholars were also killed, or basically anyone who have more money than a farmer had risk of being accused as Capitalist and got his home raided
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Olds
removing "4 olds" (which means any knowledge or culture before mao zedong)
然而，我国历代皆是强兵，足食，才能立信。事实胜于雄辩，不知是幸还是不幸。
KUNKUN HUANG 没有民心的政权最后都会倒台
I was born in Hong Kong, and left for Canada to study in 1972. Before I left, I had never heard "democracy" mentioned by the then colonial government once. Also, Chinese was not even an official language, on this land composed mainly of Chinese...
Francis Lee because that was a colonial rule. What did you expect? Treating you like a king?
作為一個旁觀者來提醒一下，各種鬧劇上演時看看問題的本身,《引渡條約》內的條款明確有提出”政治、宗教，以及7年以下的拘役不再引渡範圍內，即使是行政長官也無權簽署⋯⋯，順便再問問題，英治期內你們港人有見過英國的選票還是有過選舉權？所謂的民主、自由怕是摻雜了別的東西吧
@@obiechan8994once a slaver, forever a slaver.
@wカマ 生活不如加拿大啊，这和政治怕是没什么关系，香港的房屋面积那么小，加拿大地多人少随便盖。大陆移民也是，哪里钱多就去哪里赚钱，毕竟大陆还是发展中国家，要想达到足够高的生活水准还要好几十年，出国可以直接享受几十年后的生活，这也和政治无关
Why you & your family left for Canada to study? You had never heard “democracy” in the past so you don’t expect to have it in the future & the Hongkongers shouldn’t have? Yes, Chinese is not the official language & Cantonese is. In fact, Hongkongers can fill those government forms in Chinese.
Why you have a Christian name & are you Canadian? If, yes, I wonder why you can’t learn the value & justice from the west!
閣下係既得利益者？
佢有一點講得好岩,如果條例過左,響外國眼中香港同深圳,廣州,上海會無分別,甘我洗撚響香港注資
講到外國好似某喺大陸投過資甘
因為相對國內其他城市，香港無咁多限制或者法規，你睇google就知，最終都係入唔到中國市場。
I tried arguing that with my older generation friends and they actually think it is good that HK is a step closer to the mainland. What can you do. Some people just thinks it is better to be united with the mainland.
@@nickyu1986 呢一點確實又係，但係話完全入唔到中國就唔係好明
請阻攔赴廣東的軍車和坦克，就是廣東東部一帶的軍隊可能來的鐵路，公路全部堵塞，炸毀 ，去軍營勸反，這裡有沒有廣東朋友去找 嶺南民團黨 去。
墻裂支持北愛爾蘭，蘇格蘭，威爾士獨立公投～
Cordy Xie ，
He didn’t say independence for Hong Kong. He said one nation two systems for Hong Kong. Listen carefully. Don’t shoot from the hip. He just urged China to keep its promise.
苏格兰公投过了，他们不愿意脱离英国，你天朝敢吗，傻逼
人家投票箱都給你換了，把贊同獨立的放到反對獨立票箱里，還有比這個操作更騷的嗎？國際醜聞最後還不是不了了之😁這個世界掌握話語權和最終解釋權是多麼重要啊
强烈支持中国改名联合共和国吗?
@@user-ws9dz9qw7i 你在回复我吗？你这编故事的能力真差啊
Ex-colonial white Brit really does not have the right to talk about Hong Kong...
I left Hong Kong in 1972, and I had never heard a single word about "democracy" from these hypocrites before I left...
On the day I left Hong Kong, Chinese was not even an official language, on a land composed mostly of Chinese...
Use your judgement when you watch clips from BBC!
Question for my essay on this, can you vote when Britain was in charge or does the public have anything to say?
That's called the freedom of speech. Anybody can say anything as long as they are in a safe country where CCP cannot catch them and murder them. Oh god this is changing too, as the French copped out as the CCP police just go there and take their people and erase the evidence. Stop the CCP infiltration! Help us Trump!
請彭定康先生先解釋一下為什麼你不是香港人一人一票選出來的？
scorpio 彭定康由上任到缷任民望是升上的，所謂港人治港，由董建華開始都是下跌，市民想要一人一票選特首是希望香港政府是為香港人服務，而不是為黨服務，即使港人治港原來只是扯線布偶
scorpio 當年楊慕琦準備推行民主改革，中國又不給，周恩來還出面說如果香港民主立刻進攻。現在回歸了，又說為什麼當年香港沒民主現在又要民主，有這麼雙面人的嗎？良心過得去嗎？
@@ncdw123 你這話感覺聽上去就像是伊拉克人自豪的說「薩達姆時代雖然沒有民選，但民望是年年上升的，美國扶持的政府上台後有選票了就一直下跌」一樣。
scorpio 哈哈其實我的意思是如果政府得民心，就算他是指派出來的，市民應該還是會支持，但如何找一個人深知市民的想法..民選是個好辦法
@@ncdw123 對啊，「如果政府得民心，就算他是指派出來的，市民應該還是會支持」這句話我也非常認同，但很多人一看到英國人來了就無條件支持，一看到中共的政策就全部反對就是一種雙標，就像這次的反送中其實就是反中。在我看來有支持共產黨的，有反對共產黨的，但極少有人會反中才是正常現象，就像魯迅先生也會罵政府腐敗，會罵中國人愚昧，但不會自己拿著加拿大的國籍跑去聯合國要求開除中國會員。台灣媒體最喜歡的那些反中的民主派其實都不是為了實現民主在戰鬥，都是為了NED的美金而已。
難怪李嘉誠已經完全出脫香港資產,先知
只能說李嘉誠太了解共產黨了
商人，下一站，之前港独那些人了。。
馬雲10之89也是被威脅退位提早退休交出財產換自由
知道香港一定会变成台湾，乱七八糟，从香港被搞成臭港
@@user-jm4vx8od8q 均富.平等.博愛.民主.自由.醫療.福利.人權.沒有中國甚麼事
What UK can do is, to cancel the resident right of 柒Carrie
So easy !
Apart from stating that Hong Kong is part of China, he made a clear point to current situation of Hong Kong. Many people don't understand at all why UK returned HK to PROC which is clearly not the Qing dynasty or on their behalf tho....
我想问一下，英国什么时候才会把北爱尔兰归还给爱尔兰？？？
港督是香港人民選舉產生的？ 為什麼要抓阿桑奇？ 這麼愛香港為何西方之前要對香港金融洗劫？ 為何沒有人為阿桑奇發聲？
支持英国分裂！英国政府是独裁的法西斯！
关他吊事，这是中国自家事
leung dick 别人必须分裂我不用，我殖民的时候可以压迫你不行。
这种国家不是纳粹国家？
@@zelongzhao7788 他亲妈昨晚上刚死了，别刺激他了
末代港督的无奈
chan Chan 你是在说共产党问马克思叫爸爸吗
他也算是很盡責的港督了
講話有水準👏👏👏
卤蛋 有本事不要翻墻犯法啊 呵呵
@@user-me5oz3bc6o 中國說好的一國兩制呢？？50年不變～～誰才是騙子？？
今天与朋友分享讨论香港"反送中"的事件，我们讲到一个很重要的一点，就是香港乃至世界对内地的政府与司法制度的不信任感。冰冻三尺非一日之寒。哎，为香港祷告，为内地祷告
XuanJie Qiu 并不是世界，而且永远不会被理解，国际法则拳头是硬道理！需要让别人理解！傻逼国家才需要
XuanJie Qiu 假不假？
666 W 他这种傻逼为什么会用简体字？不是应该用繁体字嘛？
@@user-jm4vx8od8q 謝謝 讓我又看到了2個中國人在秀公民素質
@@user-hy7pz4sc2e 孙子兵法，不战而屈人之兵才是上策。没有软实力，国家利益的实现会更困难
Strong support for Ireland and Scotland's independence.
zhang wei Ireland is an independent country. Scottish people expressed their wish to remain in the UK in the referendum in 2014, same goes for Northern Ireland and Wales where people have voted to remain in the union
@@obiechan8994 But now they want to leave UK again because of hard brexit.
Strong support to Hong Kong Macau Tibet, Canton province independence and the revival of Manchuria.
臭逼玩意儿
Support for the division of the United Kingdom Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and other independent out of the United Kingdom
最後一句說的真好
"如果你不能信任中國能堅守對香港的承諾，中國還有哪些承諾值得信任"
一国两制，五十年过度。现在还是一国两制，完全信守。
英国加入欧盟对欧盟的承诺呢？美国总统trump天天毁坏协议呢？ 毁坏承诺是西方的天性。 中国到现在一直支持的就是一国两制，没有改变！
Gary Chiu 50年而已
你不信任又有啥办法呢？你有枪么？李嘉诚都跑路了，剩下的臭鱼烂虾 能翻起多大的浪呢？
eric lee 雖然還是一國兩制，但(兩制)已逐漸被侵蝕，已經不是97年的(兩制)
彭定康講得對，為什麼不即時取消一國兩制呢? 1997年設立一國兩制目的是讓中國通過香港吸收西方科技和資金，今天中國已是世界第二經濟體，相信目標已達，光是一個深圳的GDP已超越香港，科技方面，除部份通訊科技外，其他科技有些已超越美國。更重要的是美國已斷絕跟中國的科技交流，那麼，香港還有什麼利用價值呢？權衡利弊，與其讓香港無了期的任由外國勢力在香港搞破壞，利用普通法的保障，對中國進行顛覆活動，倒不如提早收回50年不變的承諾，人家特朗普都可以退出世界性協議，中國為什麼不可以? 九七年鄧公強行收回割讓的香港島，今天收回當年因為形勢所迫而作出50年不變的協議，邏輯上有何不可呢？小國退出協議難，對大國如美、中有何難度? 至於說人家信任不信任的問題只是笑話，這個世界是講實力，弱者面對強者，信也好，不信也好，自己作出衡量好了，強者沒必要對弱者給予信譽保證，歷史大把先例可援。今天還有超級大國總統的模範可跟。自鳴清高必招來吃虧!
说的对，不要让香港变成坏人的避风港
Many Londoners want to stay in EU so I also support London to become independent too.
Impressive , the last words
China is now fooling around with its biggest promise to the world.
I don't know what they are fighting for, I have to say this mass leave HK no chance to continue "One county two system" after 2047. A chao of HK do not good for HK and CN but good for XXX. A thing is nothing after 2047.
So you mean you want to trust Trump?
@@darltontse don't judge when you don't know the reason. Do you know there is a man who killed his pargnate girlfriend in Taipei and went back to Hongkong "safe and sound"? He even told the police in Hongkong that he is guilty but he can NOT be cought because that was in Taipei. An argueable place indeed, but because there is no extradition law he will not be punished due to the so called " firewall" between Hongkong and mainland. You think that is a good thing?
@@wikichen3158 额，CNM？
看到自己家園變成這樣混亂。。。真的非常難過
我只祈求香港經歷了這些風風雨雨，能迎來和平光明的未來🙏🙏
Civil liberties and the rule of law in Hong Kong. Those were the days. Lord Patten and his direct three predecessors (not more!) deserve more credit than they get. God save the Queen.
Thank you
Scottish referendum vote Yes!
referendum is totally legal in UK. Not the case in Hong Kong
Northern Ireland wants to say something
North Ireland is part of the UK...
Commisar12 But Irish don't think so
@@gnarl12 No, they want independent, UK should let them to show democracy and fredom
@John Smith nooooooo they already broke up with so many of their colonies, don't break their hearts again, irish people. let them break up with europe first😌
Scotland made a Choice already
Unfortunately he is still with us...
I support Scotland's' independence.
中国从古至今有多长时间是不内乱的？只要内乱了，就没心思发展了，就不能实现民族复兴了，国外的政治政客就高兴了，可以混水摸鱼了，。所以说，就算是中共高层轮替，也不能让自由民主大旗下一些别有用心之人操纵。内乱就是中国又一个衰弱的开始，受苦的还是广大人民，大家要明白这一点。特别是一些被利用叫嚣着反共不反中的人，口口声声说要区分对待中共和中国，这不就是要我们内乱的一计谋么？三十六计里的那一计大家可以翻翻看。
they had a referendum in 2014, they decided to stay in the union.
You are fake
You just copy
一针见血了 或者就是在弱化香港的国际形象
香港就是中国的一个特别行政区，如果否认这一点，你认为任何的个人，任何的团体，甚至任何的国家会受到什么待遇呢？
@@johnnyl2933 冇人否認香港是一個特別行政區
一国两制 港人治港 高度自治 如果强制干预 民心当然会外向 香港是那么多年从混乱和腐败之中走向廉政又商业自由的港口 因为在这里的人可以确保法律能为他们带来公平公正和公开的审讯和判决 把这些香港人那么多年争取到的声誉因为一条台湾杀人案在20日内仓促修改 司马昭之心 路人皆知 这个也是100多万香港人上街的理由 （说修例就修 说释法就释法 随便去香港抓人）法治社会并不是这样的形态 一个中国对 但人民要求政府透明公开不对？
如果生而为人不能为自己的生存权 知情权 还有答辩权而抗争的话 也只能说是生而为奴了 我们不是重点与香港人反对大陆所有东西 香港人是反对大陆那些台底下不能见光的事物在慢慢蚕食过去在殖民政府中争取到的宝贵果实 如果市民觉得有问题 对政府置疑甚至是反抗也是最为人的诉求 有人才有家 有家才有国 人死家破国亡
刘想 还有 你也是说是一个特别行政区 那么是香港是走资本主义社会制度民主法治社会 因此香港没有包含在防火墙内 这个也是外资企业投资的一项之一 另外就是在香港目前为止个人出版书籍是合法 也个也是基本法赋予香港的权利 但如果因为属于中国领土必须遵守内地法律（想对落后）还有不透明而有这种条例的前提下 香港真的跟内地城市一样 那么谁还去投资？去交流？香港政府的收入？人民的温饱？香港人目前还有说不的权利 但往后50年了就系也是翻墙一族 话说回来你不觉得挂VPN翻墙很不方便么？明明之前还能上谷歌 唉……
強烈支持聯軍拯救香港。如果夠膽先算啦
朋友你去冲驻港解放军的营地, 在门前面自焚联军就来了, 我很看好你的.
你先去起义嘛，任何造反都是从起义开始
As a colonist， you have no right to criticize HongKong，during colonial period， HongKong people have no freedom，they just governed by British
@@Neiamenase Can Hong Kong people allowed to demonstrate when they governed by British？They can‘t！HK people got democratic rights after 1997，now HK people administering HK. Are you enjoy to be a colonized person？If some HK people miss the old days, they can emigrate to UK, But . in the end, 彭定康 is a bitch.
@@Neiamenase ruclips.net/video/90tCZvDG8rk/видео.html
@@Neiamenase wow, finally we found a Hongkong boy who knows his punctuation well
Your presentation is highly interesting to watch. Thank you very much and take care. 👍
“I really hope British government can be more ......as other government.....” , hold on, which other government?
We trust someones because they are credible, not because we are subjectively hope them to become credible.
Donald Reagan nonono not because they are credible ， you r an idiot to believe they are credible
狗屎一样的搅屎棍天天来找我们中国麻烦
Edward god bless you
Why should a invader care s much?
British people used to sell drugs to hk people and rape their citizens, and now you think people think they are credible . LMAO
懷念彭港督😘
一堆人説上面才不會這麼閒因去亂抓人
然后我想到了 那個被囚10年的bl小説作家 有遊戲因一張小小的「小熊維尼」符被下架封禁並被罰款
嗷 我看他們還是滿閒的
白い野良猫。 那游戏是台湾的，中共还能跑到台湾去下架罚款？游戏里面不仅揶揄小熊维尼，还暗讽大陆人，所以被大陆自发抵制了而已。至于判刑那个事，法律如此，大陆法系国家只能如此宣判，你可以说这个法条需要更新，但这也不是徇私枉法
白い野良猫。 不是的，天一是因为非法出版发售了小黄书达到一定数量，并且购买者中有未成年才会构成“严重情节”（好像是说被家长发现告发了），被判了十年。只写小黄书不牟利的话不构成犯罪。微信读书上有耽美小说可以买。至于那个游戏，我觉得这个很大一部分是网民的原因，政府会观察舆论走向这样…
一个是色情刊物、一个是含诅咒国家领导人的卡片......你举的这例子很能站住脚。到德国你可以试试高举纳粹旗帜高呼希特勒万岁......自由和民主是相对的，不是暴力！
真的超閒 寫小說關的比性侵的重
不懂什麼麼叫那麼閒去亂抓人 你給了他這個機會
他總會用到的 那還不如防範未然
中國本來就不是法治國家 法律不過是統治的工具
今天他要抓你就抓你 要你死就死 隨便編造個理由就行
當我跟一些中國人談論他們過去政黨錯誤決策
他們即使身在海外 還是難掩恐懼的神情
支吾其詞 顧左右而言他
就知道這些人民早就被教育到根本不敢對他們政府發表自己的聲音
中共政權不等於中國，ok? 討厭中共政權不等於我們不認同自己是中華民族！
确实，但是中共在做的就是让这两个划等号。
@@twfrogabuser4971 谁让傻逼港独台独要搞混呢，活该被操
你可别说你们是中华民族 我们中华民族是希望祖国统一的
@@diaosibuku
台獨 港獨 這都是CCP自演出來政治的一套手段 同說法啦！當別人沒有腦看不懂嗎？？
@@sd7674 中华民族的代表？
Thanks Gov. Pattern! The last words are magnificent!
free Julian assange
@Kuskus, why would extradite murderers, fraudsters, and other criminals hiding in Hong Kong to Taiwan, Macau and Mainland China damage the autonomy of HK and rule of law of HK? There is an extradition agreement between UK and HK, if what Chris Patten said is true, would it be the UK has violated the autonomy of HK and rule of law of HK first? Mind you the extradition agreement between UK and HK was imposed on HK by the British instead of the current extradition law was initiated by HK itself.
It seems Chris Patten is either too old to know what he is talking about or he is talking out of both sides of his mouth like the British always does.
和一 你第二個回應說得對
@@manleongkwok8245 你同和一係契兄弟呀？
Free Northern Ireland!
北爱尔兰是自己要留在英国的
@@munemunew 然后英国脱欧，北爱尔兰不脱欧，然后就乱了
I would tell the same of UK as the former governor: "if you can't trust UK that should inforce its own agreement with China where can you trust UK?"
Jean-Louis Panigel The UK has no legal right to enforce a breach of treaty. It is a party to a treaty & not an international court. In an ideal world the UK should send (or fire) a clear notice of warning to Beijing (on the basis that CL’s instructions to fire at peaceful protesters came from Beijing) to NOT repeat this again in future OR ELSE the UK will haul the PRC to court for breach of treaty. However, the tragic reality is, this will not make much difference in the LONG run because come 2047, HK legally loses its autonomy to China in any case. What we can hope is that, the PRC will become as pragmatic as Singapore by 2047. Singapore is still authoritarian but there is rule of law there, in that, its government certainly does not kidnap its citizens from abroad & its citizens are certainly not secretly executed without an open trial. That is the hope.
Dear @@wemuk5170 i agree partially to what you said: formally you're correct. But i did not see anything in UK's policy to enforce the agreement with China and you're certainly right to point out that those efforts would be vain. But if you compare Independance of India for instance UK at that time agreed on returning to Indians their sovereignty but was there during a difficult transition that led to a total success ( if you compare the total failure of my Country in IndoChina for instance in the decolonization process that led to two wars). in HK i haven't witness anything of UK government that would support democracy until 2047. On the contrary it was the 'real politik' that drove all the decision. In one sense it is a shame because most of credibility of UK was at stake. You're right on the legal instrument bu i think i am right on the critique of UK's policy ! Cheers ( BTW i do love your country)
How do you see that Britain agrees that Assange is extradited to the United States?
if most of the British not agree with that, next year the Government will be replaced after the vote , Free Vote ! got it ?
or one million protesters will come out
dd oh yeah, just like Brexit. Turn up to be a farce
@@dd-hr1bc Like the yellow vests protest in France? Or do you think constantly changing the governments like in French Revolution will bring a bright future to a nation? The guys on the street were just manipulated by the ill-intentioned media / org.
Bingley Xu
Why changing a rotten government is a bad thing? I don't get it and its not the Hong Kong people to change our government now and through this protest. Hope you understand that Hong Kong people, unlike some other country, have freedom to access for all information in the world. If they want to step out because of the ill informed media, there have to choice to be informed by other media as well, such as CCTV.
TONY Zhang
Hate Boris much?
Bravo, well said
Where was the so called democracy and freedom when you colonialists rule Hong Kong? We will never forget the Opium War.
@@SerafinaLorelei babe, plz read before you comment, hhhhhh, so fucking hilarious,
So, were you elected by Hong Kong people Sir?
你是香港人吗，你有权力说这样的话？香港的发展你眼瞎，看不到？
lin xian 你看得懂英文吗，他明明和你是一样的立场
谢宏艺 谢谢👌🏼
他说的不是“所以你是由香港人吗选出来的吗？”的意思？
lin xian 港督不是香港人选出来的，但是却可以领导香港取得发展。因此得出，香港行政首长是否民选，与香港发展无关。所以，视频里主人公对中共的指责无理无据
Different standard to HK and north Ireland. Let north Ireland have the freedom. Once against Chinese communist party government, medias are always exaggerate it.
@@mhgl7751 it doesn't matter, everyone understands his point.
I love China HK who cares the crap grammar? I do not care whatever.
李光耀1992年就香港问题当众当面批评港督彭定康 (新加坡 中国）油管視頻自己去搜吧，哈哈彭定康還沒被打夠臉？
ruclips.net/video/kmfm7vmJ0Bs/видео.html
彭定康這老頭在香港的時候，香港人就一 二等公民，他們倒是敢上街遊行？如果遊行，英國人可是真的會開槍的，香港人很清楚。一個殖民地的二等公民，有什麼可怕的？死的又不是英國人。因為現在ccp不能開槍，所以這幫人肆無忌憚的搞事情。 ccp一點錯誤都會被無限放大。真的按照你們說的六四殘暴的行為，早都開始血腥鎮壓的，一幫輪子在中環天天搞宣傳，我倒是期待真的做的過激一點。英國首相都要美國欽點，真的違反了聯合聲明，他英國敢要嗎？撒切爾在鄧小平那裡吃了癟，也沒見幾個香港人敢罵英國。真的是欺軟怕硬到了極點，一幫懦夫，有問題還去找英國求援？英國頂多就是BBC罵幾句而已。
其實對我們大陸人來說，香港台灣真的已經不算什麼了。以前給你們那麼多好處，不要就是了，還要反咬一口。現在我們發展起來，你們還要罵，那以後大陸的發展台灣香港不要沾了就是。大家想想，台灣香港是幾百年的古都嘛？這兩個地方的發展不都是在大陸最衰弱的時候才起來的，現在大陸強大起來，這兩個地方本來就沒有天然優勢，給你們讓利反而被罵，那大家就各找各爹自求多福吧。
【貿易戰的第二彈，搞起顏色革命了】，收買一些民眾就能搞到中國政府？真是癡心妄想。
學好英語再裝B
習近平幾時死呀, 屌佢老母.
其實最根本的原因就是中國的司法和政治腐敗
對 如果中國司法公平無人為 那基本無問題
對
腐败？英国没有腐败吗？美国没有腐败吗？韩国没有腐败吗？台湾国际认证的贪污犯趴趴走，不用坐牢!这叫什么？香港人在大陆杀了人，跑回香港，就因为没有引渡条例，杀人犯不用坐牢，这就合理？合法？(如果被杀的是你的孩子，你怎么想?)现在香港的引渡条例是1992年英国立的法，英国立的法？用在我们中国人身上？合理吗？你问问英国，为什么他们殖民香港150年，没给香港民主？英国自己是民主国家，却要求中国大陆社会主义国家给香港民主？你觉得合理合法吗？英国150年前从中国手里用战争的手段，把香港抢走殖民，你觉得合法吗？美国用自己的法律，抓人在加拿大的人，你觉得合理吗？别他妈搞笑了好吗？
@@user-ml3rv1yr6p 中共腐敗水平 心中有數 我爸時李鋼 還有國家企業級的食品 药品都能造假 不是買通高屠 舞弊的結果 香港和英國都有陪審團 律師是中立 政府無2權干預司法 而且有強大反貪基制 你不知道就別張口胡來啦
@@user-ml3rv1yr6p 你還攪笑 香港人在內地殺人 當然可以引渡回中國 這是基本有的引渡例 現在是擴大 是中共政府只要認為那人有犯罪 資料發如香港政府 香港政府就會直接鎖人回內地 不用經過香港的司法程序
一个殖民者有什么脸说自由 说民主？
Hong Kong is the most beautiful city in the world. Now Hong Kong is in hot water. Water and Dam story: Heavy rainfall to the ground and get together to form streams to a river. Roaring water runs towards the Dam. Trees and plants look silently. Dam feels the pressure and do everything to resist against the water by increasing the height and releasing water through the gate. The solution is simple but Hong Kong is not that simple.
U.K.= Unhappy Kingdom!
China rise, she feel unhappy!
United (Racist shithole) Condom, the whole UK is as bad as China
2:00 "有一種罪，叫中共說你有罪"
XDDD
有一种愚蠢，叫做逢中共必反！
frank li 哈哈，到位，毕竟他们没去内地，每天看黑中共的新闻，洗脑了😅
@@bearcd5313 nice one!!!
我想中國人本質上就是需要共產黨的，當然作為個體，不少想要更成熟自由環境的人還是可以靠自己的努力離開吧~
中共最喜欢给老百姓安莫须有的罪名了，我在内地活了30年深有体会！
你身有屎你惊，又唔见它说我有罪?
法规改革有好有坏，言论自由确实是担心，好处是法制健全（现在全世界逃犯都可以逃往香港也是威胁港人安全和稳定的，香港犯人逃往大陆也安全了肯定不会被引渡回香港）。法规通不通过主要是衡量利弊，不过现在完全被媒体过度政治化了。
2010moment 不是怕犯罪會被人抓 如果審判地點是香港我相信沒人會反對 是因為大陸可能會用其他罪名來抓香港的政治犯
@@lovepuppy8282 也就是說不是法律、司法問題，是行政介入司法的問題。
侵略者反而變成家長了？
@line li 够沙雕，被洗脑得很严重
@line li 幫你屎忽啦撲街，連國家之間從來只有交易和利益，沒有幫助和扶持這種基本的國際關係都搞不清楚，笑死。如果當年某些國家讓中國獲利了，那是因為，中國也為他提供了便利，懂嗎？無文化讀多D書啦，成日俾人地老點。著鞋唔著襪，生人唔生腦。睇你用簡體唔知你睇唔睇得明粵語。如果你係香港廢青我就唔意外，如果你係大陸人，唔該你出去同你老豆老母扣個頭然之後去廁所呵篤尿浸死你自己算啦廢柴
line li 这个世界毒瘤已经超越百分之95%的国家，你气吗？
@li li 人傻就要多读书
@li li 是是是，美国现在正在通过越来越凶猛的贸易战，让中国人民过上幸福生活呢！
“感谢伟大的美利坚”！
強烈要求英國收回香港所有官員和親中議員居英權，讓他們一輩子活在中國大陸😁
那也要你现在三年换三个首相的英国废爹有能力收啊😀 手动狗头
kelvin chan good idea!
bottomsup 回收比起你翻牆吃屎容易
就是因为法官大部分都是英國籍才弄的香港這么亂，中央政府應去除香港雙重國籍認証！
解除特区政府 实现完全统一 给了特殊还要特色吗
和平自由萬歲!
你們也是夠累的特地翻牆過來酸
@@jacklioa7464 引渡逃犯也能这样，真不知道香港人天天脑子都想些什么。白天不知所以的跟着人怒吼，没上班扣了一天工资，晚上回鸽笼睡觉，顺便发一帖子，民主自由万岁，哈哈哈，
罪犯没有选择监狱的权利，人民更不能包庇罪犯
就是荒淫罪不引導 知戈度最荒淫
你是接客，你妈妈一定是约汉了。
@@bearcd5313 智商低下我是不知道啦，但我有車有房的貸款也快繳清了應該還不到窮逼的地步啦😅。
照你們的觀念看，在民主國家生活的人都是窮逼是吧🤔
曾经的宗主国多年以后依然心系殖民地人民的安危，感动，感动
Cheal A香港一直是中国的领土，中国从来也不是英国的殖民地，所以不是宗主国，没文化就不要做港独.
xinyu lee 我这句话需要加滑稽吗？
@@xinyulee2464 友军，好好看看
@@xinyulee2464 人家是讽刺那些港独，搞清楚
屌佢老母習近平.
香港的朋友，你们好，我来自于中国大陆。我完全的支持你们对政治的诉求，我对这次运动的了解不限于69反送中到目前的陆客对话行动。因为香港的问题并非是一次送中条例开始的，这其中深刻复杂，所以我希望给香港的朋友一些建议，大陆人也可以参考参考
先从宏观看，无论马经西经还是中国目前时间的经济，都有经济三要素：资本，劳动力，土地。香港是一个地小人多资本多的地区，在97年以前香港是资本，劳动力，土地平衡的状态（这是一个相对概念，对比的是如今和当时的资本市场/劳动力和人口/土地供应规模），但在97年回归以后，大陆的资本，人口，蜂拥而进，香港籍可以对他国人口有诸多限制，但相比大陆人进港，限制是最少的（大陆人不要杠去香港办港澳通行证，这里说的是入籍，且通行证限制的是时间而不是人）。这造成如今香港资本过剩，由于早期对香港产业的各种优惠，香港实体产业大多数都转移到内地，香港在整个东亚格局变化下，而香港人口却在大陆不断入籍的情况下疯狂攀升，又造成了劳动力过剩，来香港的人纷纷要买房，又造成了土地稀缺。一种恶劣的经济结构出现了：资本过剩-劳动力过剩-土地稀缺。这种结构必然导致过多的钱流入金融和地产，推高资产价格，而多数老百姓因为产业空心化和劳动力过剩，收入是不可能跑过资产升值的速度的。这就是香港问题最宏观的根源，香港人民看着社会分野毫无能力，普通人的财富因为过剩的资本被超级公司，政府疯狂抢劫。香港人不愿意等死！香港人意识到，大陆的资本和人进入香港，让社会分野，阶级分化。并没有让香港变好，而是香港老百姓的财富不断贬值，物价资产飙涨，人民被疯狂抢劫，大陆的到来让香港越来越坏。
1984中名言：谁掌握了过去,谁就掌握了未来;谁掌握了现在,谁就掌握了过去。大陆人想想，你所了解的香港见闻，真的没有被加工被操纵被取舍被引导？你们所认为大陆存在制度优势，认为香港人就是跪久了，你们真正了解过自己获取信息的真假吗？香港人为什么拒绝大陆的体制制度，我们的制度有非常多的毛病，我们所看到中国经济规模不断扩大，这背景是无数人的牺牲，和中国未来将要背负的沉重债务，在中国很长一段时间，所谓能力强的官员，就是敢负债的官员，他们不会考虑环境，法律，甚至是子孙。香港人看在眼里，深为担忧这样的经济模式在香港出现。香港人经历过90年代地产泡沫崩溃的时代，深知经济周期的威力，而这是人类目前所有经济制度不可克服的铁律，香港拒绝这样的高风险。
香港人走上了街：
【他们要求严格限制指数上升的入港人数】----这和排外没有关系，因为香港人数增加会导致劳动力继续过剩和土地稀缺，和城市工具边际作用趋近于0.如果大陆人去过敦煌旅行就知道，敦煌博物院每一次开放都是有人数限制的，不然会有遗产损坏的风险。
【他们要求以新加坡地产模式】，让香港人抑制变态牟利的地产商，抑制资产泡沫。
【他们要求有反对推高资产泡沫的自由】，有抵制政府联合超级资本抢劫人民财富的自由，有说真话不会被资本和权力迫害的自由。
有太多的问题要质问大陆人：
香港人的这些自主要求，哪一点过分了？
是不是做一个精神资本家，精神赵家人，做一个无情纳粹，才是正常人？
你连自己基本人权和基本财产都不会保护，谈什么爱国呢？
这些问题的本质和爱国有关吗？
为什么老百姓要欺负老百姓？
资本家和赵家的利益，真的会分给你吗？
给你一个思路：
为什么中国奋斗数十年，老百姓除了房产几乎没有财富剩余？
如果是国富民穷的状况，为什么中国3万亿外汇中1.3万亿外币外债，6千万亿本币外债？
为什么我们的社会总债务总杠杆如此之高？
基建和地产是不是一种破窗经济毁灭了资本投入新产业提高生产效率？
你是否了解过养老金在亏空的情况下还不断增加标准？
你是否了解过国债地方债降准意味着什么？
你是否了解中国资产和外汇的关系？
最本质的问题：
你会作为一名杭州人而对马云是杭州人感到有实质意义吗？
你是小资或者老百姓吗？
你认为你所听到的香港见闻都是真实不虚吗？
你是否分得清一般性原理和特殊情况？
你能理解政治是经济的延续吗?
问了一大堆，我想说，香港反送中，绝不是一个孤立发生的事件，他有深刻的背景和脉络，中共港府超级公司在历史中一步步将香港和香港人推到了这一步。我们反对不将香港人当作是人的罪恶集团，我们是人，且香港，首先属于香港人，别再说大陆给香港带来了繁荣，如果大陆继续这种思维，带给香港的将会是万劫不复的深渊。香港可以给大陆做各种配合工作，但绝不是这种无底线无标准的独裁专制统治。如果大陆人，你是一名精赵精资，认为老百姓该死，穷人不值得同情，那么好了，全体香港人都是一体的，既然视香港人为暴民，是敌人，那香港人自然不会引颈自戮，那我们就是敌人，你死我活。
【为什么反对送中条例】，如果你看了以上，应该有逻辑了，反送中条例，就是因为大陆法律承诺没有良好记录，香港人不信任，害怕被黑箱操作，香港人要自卫，必然会反送中。如果不反送中，以后香港人连自卫的自由都是“违法“。如果你们真的想和香港人好好相处，就应该还香港人97年承诺进行普选，让香港人控制大陆资本和人口来港，来港的人和资本少了，香港自然就好了，大家都好。
香港人追求的不是钱，而是保卫自己的财富和自由！香港人不想要大陆的钱！一点都不！香港人只赚自己该赚的，不属于自己的，不会多要！
反对有反对的理由，赞成有赞成的理由，当中能否找到平衡点呢？将真正逍遥法外之徒绳之以法，这才是民众最需要。谁都不希望自己的家园成为罪犯的避难所，利用法律漏洞逃避制裁。港民切勿使用暴力，暴力之下无民主。
暴力之下冇民主？咁大陸有冇暴力？北歐國家是否都係有暴力冇民主？正確來講係冇民主才產生暴力，不過係睇吓邊個對邊個。
香港是民主的地方好嗎！
要向民主燈塔美國看齊，學學美國是怎麼對付佔領華爾街的人的
@Alex Gao 自己傻逼
美国人都不等，上去就开杀
装甲车上街碾一圈，实弹，看谁敢来，学学美国整牙洛杉矶暴乱
@@joycai2421 沒自由的JOY 可憐的CAI
E DC 你真的好笑，没见过我，就知道拿自由来歧视别人！我持澳洲pr, 在澳洲定居，要入籍随时都可以，如果凭所谓的自由就可以歧视人的话，那也是我歧视你们香港人
🙏
Supporting Scottish Independence, Scotland and Britain on one side
I think the people of Northern Ireland will totally agree with this gentleman. CCP guys should ask for a BBC interview to support those poor people.
Your argument has a serious flaw. It essentially equates to “who and who has done what so what I do have no issue...” It is like saying “Steve has killed Dave, so it is right for Jenny to kill Helen.” What has Ireland has to do with the current issue of Hong Kong? Are they considering a new extradition treaty with the UK? The issue being examined is that HK will loose its judicial autonomy and citizen (including foreigner) safety if the law gets approved. Clearly, this is against the wishes of the HK people...
@@MrCameronChung I believe that Scotland can't independent against the will of half of Scotch.
@@MrCameronChung if you can't punish steve, why will you punish jene? They have done the same thing.
they are taught to think this way, they have no logical thinking. No need to argue with them.
Look who's talking.
牆內的人以為自己很懂
KaWeng Wong 😂
Robert Fernandes 枪杆子，人们的恐惧
墙外的人以为自己掌握了宇宙真理。
你以为你在墙外，其实你在墙内。
@@qquanjun skr skr, cutie cutie dom Free,真可爱
唉 懷念
when you in charge, do you give HK freedom? were you elected by HK citizen or selected by your Queen?
Thomas Zhang 他丫就一空降的
我都想知道今日之後英國會有咩反應
有咩反应都没毛用
何况他们要真关心香港，应该像葡萄牙一样给予香港人欧盟居留权
英國自己脫歐都搞到一團屎 97之前就無能力了 好早就比美國搞殘 英聯邦變美聯邦 以前的英屬殖民地全部都唔撚理英國 得香港人d on9想英國幫 最近d港英餘孽學終於醒左去搵美國佬 不過只會迫中共更加強硬
英国已经慢慢沦为中国走狗，经济，政治都向中国示好
英国反应关你嗨事？
@@user-tp1um5ib5c 我留言關你撚事?
Free Northern Ireland! Did they have the right to vote when British was in power?
Then why not free Tibet? For centuries, Taiwan and Tibet have never been part of China, and why did you expect Hong Kong's citizen regard themselves as Chinese? Why not say Singapore is also part of China? Oh, BTW, go home and read the history, Northern Islands have always been part of UK. You are pathetic and ignorant!
@@oliverliu8376 how could you say that northern ireland is always a part of uk! Do you dare to say that in ireland and northern ireland? How ignorant you are!
Jude Timberlake It's about 220 since Chinese government ruled Taiwan for first time, while UK didn't exist in the world yet. In Yuanand Ming Dynasty, about 14 century, Tibet became a province of China, while William Wallace was killed by English people and Scotland was a independent country.
Jude Timberlake So go home and read history book plz
Jude Timberlake Learn some history, please.
I hope this kind of democracy happen in your country every day, you 'll love it . CNMLGB lol
他讲的是客观事实，现实是这个港督更接地气地如实反映了香港的现实
his words are very clear about the speciality of hongkong!
多次去华盛顿去争取香港和大陆城市区别开来.......这个彭定康把中国的主权至之何地，和华盛顿有半毛钱关系吗？，我觉得这个法是可以的，香港总也不能变成罪犯的庇护所，重点是建立起双方都信任且可实施的规则
說個笑話"中國人跟你談規則"
@@leeshaw0317 另一个笑话：美国人跟你谈标准~
看見很多人不太清楚逃犯條例修訂,為什麼直接影響香港法律體制? 為什麼有3千多律師, 大法官遊行?
條例修題內容: www.legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/chinese/bills/b201903291.pdf 。
第 3 部
修訂《刑事事宜相互法律協助條例》( 第 525 章 )
8. 修訂第 2 條 ( 釋義 )
第 2(1) 條，相互法律協助的安排的定義--
(a) (a)(i) 段--
廢除
“( 中央人民政府或中華人民共和國的任何其他部分
的政府除外 )”；
(b) (a)(ii) 段--
廢除
“( 中華人民共和國的任何其他部分除外 )”。
我既理解, 就係將警察同公安融合。任何疑犯都有權移交到大陸, 而搜證工作, 都交由香港公安做。我自己對條例堅決反對。
有人話支持修例, 我希望佢可以話俾我知點解 ?
我知道法律上有不足之處. 但係改善法律, 係應該有好多地方要想, 要考慮。而吾係繞過法委會, 強行二讀, 要通過條例。
林鄭落台, 好基本, 撤回修例都好合理。
政府沒公義在先, 示威者都係和平遊行表達訴求先。最少200萬人不滿。
我吾支持暴力, 亦吾支持強權。守護公義不是一個身為一個人既責任?
7月21日, 黑警與黑社會合作, 打元朗普通市民。政警鄉黑!
成立一個有透明度的新政府, 推舉有智慧的領導. 有ICAC和監政部門。
中国从古至今有多长时间是不内乱的？只要内乱了，就没心思发展了，就不能实现民族复兴了，国外的政治政客就高兴了，可以混水摸鱼了，。所以说，就算是中共高层轮替，也不能让自由民主大旗下一些别有用心之人操纵。内乱就是中国又一个衰弱的开始，受苦的还是广大人民，大家要明白这一点。特别是一些被利用叫嚣着反共不反中的人，口口声声说要区分对待中共和中国，这不就是要我们内乱的一计谋么？三十六计里的那一计大家可以翻翻看。
Simple answer: You never trust them
This is the point British know, American know , hongkonger know, Taiwanese know. I don’t understand why our same race Chinese mainlander don’t know the point.
Hong Kong people believe that Hong Kong belongs to UK or US like Taiwan:) keeping mind with west, but can never be west. how sad they are?
Why do the British have no shame when they talk about their colonial history？how many crimes have they committed in other countries, and they are not ashamed at all? Why?
Why don’t English government treat Scotland and Ireland differently and let them stay in EU to show respect to the people’s desire?
Funny fact is, Hong Kong can sign with any country except its own country, China.
You really got the point.
Did you watch and understand this video?
@@kettylee1742 Sadly, I finished watching it. The question is, apart from this video, have you seen and understood the facts far away in China? Besides, when is video more credible than the fact what you see with your own eyes?So when you haven't experienced and understood in one place, please don't comment easily. It's better to keep your mouth shut. Do you really trust your media so much? That's too sad. Come out and see the world, man, and jump out of your Truman world.Now it is 2019. If you are still thinking about the ideological struggle against communism, I can only say that you are at least 30 years behind the world.btw,have a nice day.
And also except any country which cannot provide decent human rights protection
So Chinese mainland is nothing special but a place on earth without up to standards human rights
hope British are happy about the Brexit right now. and protesters better know what they are protesting against
言论自由就是：哪怕我是白人至上时期英国指派的港英殖民地总督，也可以发表香港要自由民主的言论。
忌妒不忌妒？
對呀，但你不能評論習近平，這就是分別了
@@173880859 你不是正在评论习吗？不要转移话题呀，既然他有心香港的自由民主，作为港督为何不主动辞职开放皿煮竞选港督的程序呢？站着说话不腰疼吗
香港人反对的对司法独立的侵犯。中南海拒绝香港实现民主也就算了，如今连法治也要被侵蚀，难怪人家上街游行
@@yubosun1 香港人和彭定康反对的是中国对香港司法独立的侵犯。中南海拒绝香港实现民主也就算了，当年英国人也没给香港民主，但人家给香港了法治，普通法。如今中国连法治也要被侵蚀，难怪人家上街游行
It's kind of funny to see a British man commenting Hongkong as a former HK govener. Does hongkong have any "democracy" or "freedom" under the rule of Brintain before 1997? Hongkong was a COLONY of Brintain and that was because Britain invaded China!!! China gave democracy and freedom to Hongkong, and that was under the principle of "One country, two systems". Without one country, there's no two systems!!!
英国：我们侵占这片土地时，这些人很乖的，很听话的
黄小明 人会变，思想会进步，尤其是香港開埠已逾百年，在全球民主化的洪流之中，香港以至全中国应把握基会登上民主化的快車免得落伍
哈哈，潜台词
视频里的老爷爷大概是很久没去过深圳了吧，深圳可比香港繁华到爆炸。而深圳只是中国沿海经济发达带中的一个小城市而已。为部分香港人的井底之蛙的见解感到可惜。
@@christopheryang2498 没有香港会有深圳？你说繁华？你眼里高楼大厦就是繁华？？
Aki 深圳就是向香港学习的呀，中国人自古以来以谦虚学习为美德。
點解咁關心香港，因香港仲有利用價值，
It’s impressive for me to see so many Chinese bring up Northern Ireland without knowing what really happened there. Northern Ireland currently belongs to both Ireland and UK, in which Northern Irish possess both citizenships as they wish. Furthermore, once the majority of Northern Irish want to break apart with UK and unite to Ireland, they could do it right away.
For Scotland’s issue, they did already hold a legitimate referendum, and found most Scottish refuse to leave UK.
Now the question remains: if CCP dares to organise any referendums in XinJiang and Tibet.
Anthony Jim If you had ever been to Xinjiang and Tibet, you will find how a number of people there support the central gov from the bottom of their hearts, and they just kick your ass if you ask them about being independent. Not forced by gov, but just thinking that you are a total idiot.
Once one of my Uyghur friends travelled to Turkey, he met a Taiwanese dumbass who asked him about Free Xinjiang. Guess what, he just told him "fuck off" and almost tried to punch that guy’s fat face with his fist.
I was living in Both Tibet and Xinjiang for three years respectively, and I know more about these two places than you, just like you may know more about NI than us.
Keep in mind that YOU ARE ALSO NOT QUALIFIED TO JUDGE WHAT HAPPENED IN XINJIANG AND TIBET,
Please redo the Scotland independent referendum, I am thrilled to watch the Great Britain breaking apart. Good luck for Brexit anyway.
i doubt whether you will still use xinjiang and tibet as example to support ur idea. they are place beautiful as heaven and pple there embrace prc government. knwo the world through ur own eyes and books,not through hypocratical western media.
Then prove it. Prove it with a referendum and shut us up. But CCP won't, because it's just not their way of doing things. They prefer to keep the rebels within camps and call it a day.
Besides, I'm more than qualified to comment on CCP for basically being a Chinese. I hate my people being governed in such a way.
Of course, if you like it then it's up to you, but I personally hate the way CCP handles things and I always pick western hypocritical media over Chinese never true story state-owned media.
@Anthony Jim
Prove for what? Ridiculous, your claim is not even wrong, go and learn some basic knowledge of politics and you won't be so ignorant to call for a "Referendum of Independence" in China.
In fact, it is illegal in most of the unitary states to start a referendum to decide whether a territory could be independent or not because provinces never have the mandate to do it. Just see the referendum happened in Catalonia of Spain, see how most of EU members reacted to it: We don't admit its legitimacy, absolutely.
Even in a Federal state like the US, a referendum to decide the independence of territory will still need votes from all citizens of the US, rather than just those living in the part of that territory.
Let's be clear, in most countries, you can't just say: We will leave the country 'cause we did a referendum by our people. No, either it is not even your right to start the vote or the vote should have been decided by all citizens in the country, not just you.
The UK is also a unitary state however, Scotland officially joined the Kingdom through the 1706 Treaty of Union. As the name suggests, the relationship between Scotland and England still remains, somewhat, a relationship between states. So it might have something to do for Scottish to start a "Referendum" for independence.
But even so, do you really think that the UK, the EU and the US will just let Scotland go that easily? Let the UK be dismembered and start a series of mess? DMML.
Hearing he said when HK was gonvered by me......I just feel so hurt...how he dare to state a history when his country occupied the territory of another country?
The Party always breaking their promises.
I totally agree!
i LIKE the last sentences abd totally agree with it....
阿桑奇表示不服，我怎么被引渡了呢？
因为英国跟美国有引渡协议 洗之前先去百度一下引渡是什么好吗? 你以为是奴才送头给主人？
@@googlenmsl4483 你这个人头我觉得不错啊`~
@@googlenmsl4483 你是傻逼吗？阿桑奇是你们自由派领袖~
@@googlenmsl4483 乱扣帽子很拿手，不知道你戴的是哪顶帽子？
@@mengshuai 你就是国内那群理中客对吧~活该倒霉！
骄傲和团结，友好，安全，而不是无动于衷的政治
Proud and unity, friendship, Safe, not indifferent politics
這貨當年被李光耀當面懟的時候，爲何不反駁？
@@user-id2zt5xl4r 高级黑吧？
koko to 孤儿
koko to 可是你打的是中文汉字。。。跪好吧，不用起来了
彭老就一傀儡
阿桑奇只是揭露一些事实，为什么要逮捕他？
香港加油!!
别那么多废话，上街去支持！在网上叫个屁啊。
謀哩戲勒靠盃逆
@@user-wf7uz2gy5y 看不懂你这鸟语。
香港政府要硬起来，直接开枪清场，美国人做的这么棒，也不好好学学
Will British still trust Huawei and China after this protest？
“No eternal enemy, only eternal interest” . HK to Britain is not equivalent of Taiwan to Unite state
yes, because huawei is cheap and safe, and no back door of course.
LEVRAM CN exactly, Huawei is very unlikely bend the rule for American,
华为和中共有什么关系？这事又和华为有什么关系？
Strategic Fooyou Agency 因为华为有军方背景。华为有最先进的5g技术，但是介于华为和CCp的关系 和西方国家对中国的不信任，那么在西方国家很有可能不采用华为的技术。那么香港的问题就是当时中国政府承诺的50年不变
He should shut up and leave hk in peace. He's no longer the governor/dictator there in HK.
Mr Patten's saying is very meaningful ,every word attacked the main problem of Hong Kong.
是彭定康说的
别说了，念诗吧！
别听风就是雨
隐姓埋名666 苟利国家生死以
你再替他说一遍等于……等于你也有责任的
harry lee 我觉得你们啊，你们……我感觉你们新闻界还要学习一个，你们非常熟悉西方的这一套理论。你们毕竟还 too young
回答一个问题就好。世界上最古老的民主国家为什么百年来不肯给香港民主？不肯给一人一票？没有一位港人港督？
Andy Yin 殖民地原因
you talking about greece?
因為香港是借的不是真正的殖民地
香港只有一大部分地区是租界，不是整个香港，所以不可能只在有些区实行民主！
白痴問題！ 香港當年是殖民地！