A Heathers Fan VS A Heathers Actor!
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
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Today we are doing a heavily requested video, a heathers fan vs a heathers actor! How very! So excited for this one. We're talking about differences between the movie and the off broadway musical, the US VS The West End, etc!
Hope you enjoy!
- Sam & Ryan
its so funny how casually Sam said how she hasn't seen a "slime tutorial" of it. That hit very close to home with youtube musicals
yah Lol
very true
Heathers is mean girls but it’s 1989
I NEED a full slime tutorial of Heathers with Ryan AND Barrett in there PLEASE I'VE SEARCHED THE ENTIRE INTERNET
@@user-tw3zd6im9l does an audio work for you? I've found video of the entier first act but the only full one I've found is audio only
i think another reason that heather duke was green was because red (chandler), yellow (mcnamara), and blue (veronica) are all primary colors while green is not and it adds to her character about trying to fit it in so hard
Yeah thats what i thought too
i also think that heather duke was green because green is the *opposite* of red. meaning that shes the opposite of heather chandler (idk if im making sense here)
Nice
Francheska true true
Blue and yellow make the colour green, the two main colours left after heather chandler died
"mythic soup"
"soup me gently with a chainsaw"
-sam & ryan 2021
“Go on and soup and moan”
"mother soupers"
“Quit it soup-ass, get off of me!”
1, 2- SOUP IT!
@@jatarokemuri6791 jacksoup
I just noticed how much Sam looks like Veronica.
uh oh, that does not bode well for their relationship XD
@@lilyt6075 SHHHH OMG
Im confused... which veronica tho? Veronica from heathers or veronica merrell cause she really looks like veronica merrell to me
@@camillesicam3795 veronica from heathers
@@ellapapineau5461 DONT WORRY, I WAS JOKING! I LOVE SAM AND RYAN, NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT! lmao Have a great day, stay safe!
just a little correction - blue was replaced by 'you're welcome', which was blue but creepier. i say no was just a new song for the break up of veronica and JD. :) hope this helps
I just watched a clip of your welcome, and coming from a girl I would probably say your welcome is more accurate to boys now, and definitely scarier! I wish it was in the original bc I think it tells a better story! ( just my opinion)
Them talking how they shouldn’t have removed that song when blue I believe is more upbeat and you’re welcome is so much scarier and does bring that conversation more so they didn’t remove it they brought it into the conversation harder
I think blue might be more satirical which was the original intent 🤷♀️
Also in de West End production Heather Duke had her own song!
@@lauradewit indeed this is true - I will never shut up again is a banger
“I liked when JD stopped smiling” is SUCH a good line, and I think is the whole reason I liked musical JD so much too. I liked how we could see him break down and feel hurt and angry and it gives so much life to his character. Props.
what makes blue so effective to me is heater d and m saying "oh no oh no no no" when veronica tells them to help her out and let her in the car. these women aren't helping out another woman who is clearly in trouble because they don't value her enough to risk their reputation to ram and kurt and they leave her to be harrassed
i think they didnt let veronica in cos they didnt want kurt and ram to harm them
@@sherangles Nah it was straight up bitchiness and them not caring about/realizing how bad is rape. They even mock her and encourage the guys. Later on they bully her heavily. There was no fear. They just wanted to hurt Veronica
@@ondiiina oh ok
@@sherangles Veronica also asked Heather M, so in order to escape date rape, you called me here to be date raped instead? and she responded something like, oh god you make it sound so dark. Blue also adds some comic relief (pun intended-kinda) in the tone, bc at that point the plot was getting more intense, and was only going to get more intense.
west end heathers replaced blue with “your welcome” and i believe they added in i say no
And never shut up again
and never shut up again
your welcome, i say no and never shut up again my beloved
Sam: “Let’s say it at the same time”
Me: 3, 2, 1 McNamara!
Them: Chandler!
Me: OH YEAH UH THATS WHAT I MEANT
McNamara is amazing
McNamara needs more recognition. ESPECIALLY from the musical. It gave her so much depth that we see none of in the movie
mcnamara best heather 😫🙏
I said duke... I'll take my leave now•-•
OMG THAT WAS MY THOUGHT TOO!
Blue wasn’t replaced by I Say No. It was replaced by You’re Welcome. I prefer it over Blue because it shows the harsh reality of what guys are like in this day and age and not putting comedic effect on it. I Say No was an extra along with Never Shut Up again.
I prefer You’re Welcome as well, it’s a situation that girls sadly often find themselves in, and I think it’s even more effective than Blue
I am a rape victim I may not be able to see the show now due to flashbacks and that is NOT okay. They said they wanted to take it more seriously and not make fun but one was about drunk guys making a fool of themselves trying to get a girl to sleep with them and turned it into a nightmare.
@@TheIndigoSystem I’m sorry about that happened to you. It’s unfortunate but I feel like we can’t sensitise everything nowadays because then nothing would be able to be shown. A trigger warning yes, but I don’t think shows or movies should stop portraying rape as it is a thing that happens and needs to be addressed. If it was to stop being shown then people wouldn’t be aware of it as much
You’re welcome is more serious and scary. So you kinda see why JD did what he did more. Blue kinda make it seem like they were playing around and JD just went too far
I believe "Blue" offers a stronger portrayal of the story. While I understand the intent behind "You're Welcome," I personally gravitate towards satirical and subtly dark songs that engage rather than overwhelm. While I appreciate musical intensity, I find that "Blue" presents richer possibilities for gripping drama and intricate staging compared to the rather blunt "You're Welcome."
2021: *Getting worse day by day*
Sam and Ryan: Let me fix that real quick.
PLEASE do something like this again. Hearing stuff about Heathers from the person who probably knows it best is so awesome.
Same!
this came out at the perfect time. i’m in a production of Heathers right now as Heather Chandler! :)
Good luck! You seem like a sweetheart but you got this;) I’m glad some places can do shows with pandemic
congrats!!! i would literally kill to play heather chandler (heh)
That's awesome! You'll do great!
@@parkergreaves9975 HA feeling blessed ❤️
Omg hey HAHAHA
Writers of Heathers movie: let's do a satirical thing about high school!
America: what's satire? School is just gonna be like this now... oops?
Heathers:
America:
they replaced blue with your welcome (same feeling of the song but more agressive) and i say no is a completly diferent song in the second act
Actually 'blue' was replaced by a song called 'you're welcome' which is basically the same thing but more aggressive, like 'your popular now so you GET to sleep with me, you're welcome'. The song 'I say no' was a whole new song for when Veronica breaks up with JD. (They are both on the West End cast recording so maybe if you listen to those it will make more sense.)
Yes the line ''you won a football star'' is very telling. The whole song goes from gross, to slut shaming, to just all out attempted rape. It was effective though, and I actually prefer it to Blue in many ways, as it portrays the situation alot more seriously/violently.
“The cult of the red scrunchie” ima being saying that from now on
Ryan I have a question tho, what was dead girl walking rehearsals like?
Djadjkakskskdwkkskdkakdk LMAO YES I NEED AN ANSWER TO THIS
I am very interested in this answer, I mean it’s also awkward because I think of him as a Disney actor because of liv and Maddie and I just can’t process him acting out an unholy scene
PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
SEE THESE ARE THE REAL QUESTIONS
And heather chandler, she is a mythic soup.
LMAO YES
Okay, to clear up exactly what happened in between the New York production and the revised London production, and exactly what changes were made:
After Heathers closed Off-Broadway, the show was quickly made available for licensing in the US (and some other territories). Shortly after this, a new version of the show, called Heathers 101, was created as a 'high school edition'. This featured new dialogue, new teenage-voice-friendly keys for some songs, new lyrics (all those lyric changes you hear on the Riverdale version and blame those guys for? They're written by the same people as the lyrics you know and love, so don't be so quick to throw shade), and a new song to replace 'Blue', called 'You're Welcome' - a song more serious in tone than 'Blue, and in which we see the full journey of that scene play out, from Veronica finding herself alone with the two jocks, to their growing attempts at date-raping her, and finishing with Veronica resorting to defence to get herself out of the situation (a plot point which existed before, but was brushed over much more quickly in favour of playing up the comedy of the song). It wasn't long before the writers, Kevin Murphy and Laurence O'Keefe, decided they preferred 'You're Welcome' to 'Blue'. They acknowledged that 'Blue' was a funny, catchy song, which perfectly encapsulated the 'boys will be boys' mentality that Kurt and Ram have, but that it was basically nothing more than a 'list song', meaning lyrically it served no purpose other than to list as many different puns about balls as it could, and make light of the genuine danger Veronica finds herself in in that scene. They ran out of time before the show opened in New York in 2014 to make the show, and that song specifically, exactly what they wanted it to be, and had to 'freeze' it as it was. So when 'You're Welcome' had been tried and tested with the school edition, they realised it was much closer to their idea of what the tone of the show should be than 'Blue' was, and made the decision to replace 'Blue' with 'You're Welcome' in the licensed script and score.
A little while after the New York run, the writers were approached by UK producer Paul Taylor-Mills, who had seen the 2014 Off-Broadway production and loved it, and he asked them if they would like to bring Heathers to the UK in a workshop format, to establish a UK presence for the show whilst fine-tuning things they might not have had time to polish the first time round. They took this offer up, and, alongside the show's original director Andy Fickman, brought Heathers to the UK for the first time in a semi-staged, scripts-in-hand presentation at The Other Palace Studio in May 2017, with no sets, lighting, or costumes, and a 3 piece band (for comparison, the full orchestration asks for 7 musicians). This ran for 5 performances, with public feedback heavily encouraged (including during the performance, via a mobile app called Slido), and rewrites made every single day, to try out new things - including 'You're Welcome' within the context of the full 'adult' show, with a live audience. The workshop was a huge success, and prompted the Off-West End premiere of Heathers a year later at The Other Palace's larger Theatre space. More changes and rewrites were made across the show, and a new song was added for Heather Duke called 'Never Shut Up Again', replacing 'Blue (Reprise)', and, of course, it's replacement, 'You're Welcome (Reprise)'. Shortly after opening, a suggestion was made by Andrew Lloyd Webber (owner of The Other Palace) to write an empowerment song for Veronica when she breaks up with JD in Act Two. The writers got to work, and finished the song just in time to be performed in the final week of performances at The Other Palace. The song was 'I Say No', and it was 'officially' put into the show when the production transferred to the West End thanks to it's record-breaking run at The Other Palace, but it was in fact performed at The Other Palace during the last week of the show's run there.
Just under a month after closing at The Other Palace, Heathers transferred to the West End, opening at the Theatre Royal, Haymarket. After a week of 'unofficial' previews, during which even more rewrites and changes were made to the production, the show was finally presented to critics (they had not been invited to the previous runs due to their work-in-progress nature) and the show ran for a limited run of 12 weeks. A cast recording was made halfway through the West End run and was released a few months after the show closed, and a UK tour was announced. Although not officially announced, it appears some more subtle changes have been made to the show since the closure of the West End production in preparation for the UK tour, including revised choreography and orchestrations. However, as it currently stands, the 'definitive' version of Heathers: The Musical, as far as the show's writers and creative team are concerned, is the version reflected on the West End cast album, and that is the version of the show that will soon be licensed to amateur and professional companies across the world for performance.
Source: myself, a London theatregoer who loved the 2014 Off-Broadway cast album, saw one of the 2017 workshop performances live, before seeing the Off-West End run twice and the West End run 18 times (yeah oops), being lucky enough to meet the writers and creative team a number of times at each of these runs and chat to them about the show, it's journey, and the changes made, as well as following their careers and work since via social media.
Thanks for this info!!
^ This ^
What a great breakdown!!
licechamp sorry if its been a long time since this message, but do you know where to find this cast recording you mentioned ?
@@radiojack8321 spotify!
I literally just listened to Dead Girl Walking last night, and then I stumbled upon this. FUN FACT: Summer of 2017, Ryan was in Minnesota for the annual Spotlight Education awards. My school won an Outstanding award for both "Spitfire Grill" and "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat." We got to perform a melody at this annual showcase. RYAN SANG WITH OUR SENIORS ON "YOU WILL BE FOUND" AT THE SHOWCASE. I can't believe I just realized this. I was in the audience, and I ran lights for our melody. BEST MEMORY EVER!!!
omg i NEED to know your thoughts on riverdale's musical episodes lol
Concerning West End Heathers:
I discovered Heathers via the Off-broadway album but went to see it in London as it‘s closer to me. As far as I know lots of the original creatives were involved in the show, and Blue wasn‘t replaced by I Say No, but by You‘re Welcome which is a much scarier version of Blue with some of the original lyrics from Blue included and as someone who has seen it performed I can say it‘s very effective, maybe as much/even more? as Blue😊
I agree with you there and yes the writer and the composer went over from the us to the uk for the transfer (was lucky enough to meet them at the other palace actually)
Very well said!
I personally like You’re Welcome more then Blue. Simply because- Blue makes me cringe to a point of being uncomfortable and You’re Welcome makes me less uncomfortable. Also, You’re Welcome feels more serious and less of a joke.
I'm laughing my ass off at
"she's a mythic... Soup"
This is just my opinion but your welcome the song that replaced blue for me shows how like for lack of a better term scarier kurt and ram can be instead of like the comedic song about date rape so i feel like in that aspect i liked the west end version a little more.
i completely agree
Agreed!
Same
I agree - I love Blue as a tune but I get why they changed it - it's not that it was "offensive", it's that it was played for laughs and it was successful in that. That's almost the opposite I guess - that it *should* be offensive but people laughed along
Agreed
I’ve been waiting for this one.....
TURN IT UP
i like to think each of the heathers's colours represent their hogwarts house
It kind of does tbh Veronica is a Ravenclaw Chandler is a Gryffindor Mac is defo a Hufflepuff and Duke is such a Slytherin JD is also
omg jd is a death eater lmfao
@@ErikDijk omfg so true
@Someone 333 oooo thats an interesting theory! i hadnt thought about it that way
me who thought the colors were because they were cosplaying as stoplights: 👁️👄👁️
Can we please talk about Jamie Muscato’s JD? Because it’s um... it’s incredible.
I love Jamie's JD. He did an amazing job!
OMG YESSS 😁
My facts for the movie:
You mentioned the ‘brain tumor for breakfast’ line? Kim Walker, the actress who played Heather Chandler in the movie died in the late 90’s of a brain aneurysm. Also tragically, Jeremy Applegate, who played the nerd character Peter Dawson (he had the monologue at Heather C’s funeral about how he hopes suicide doesn’t happen to him. Jeremy Applegate committed suicide on March 23rd, 2000. Kind of weird instances of art imitating dialogue from the movie I thought you guys might enjoy.
EDIT: Actually it turns out Kim Walker passed AFTER Jeremy Applegate, so 2001. I was wrong about the late 90’s my bad
9:45
That is also why I love the musical version more. JD smiles in the musical, but around after rams death and especially meant to be yours, the smile has fangs. The smile has the bones of students between it’s teeth. JD in the movie smiles the whole movie and acts deranged throughout. Musical JD crescendos insanity. The part in meant to be yours where the chorus of students comes in is where it gives chills and you start to think: “wait… this isn’t what I thought it was” and you almost feel with Veronica and I think it’s wonderful. And the line “still I will if I must” shows that he has a goal and Veronica was just used as a pawn. Idk if I’m misinterpreting anything here. I’m 12.
I used to go to this theatre and we actually had not 1 girl named heather, not 2 girls named heather, we had ALL 3! And the funniest thing is that none of them got along and all lowkey hated each other.
Ryan doing a Candy Store cover would be the best thing since Dead Girl Walking at pronoun showdown
FRRR
yes omg
and you know you know you knooooooww it’s ‘cause I’m beautiful-
My favorite trivia: JD had Schizophrenia
Also, it was said by Christian Slater himself that JD didn't actually die, but lived
WAIT REALLY?
@@gurrr8020 Yup
O.M.G... I Didn't Know this
Sam: JD’s songs are to DIE for.
JD: **slowly raising a gun** really?
They replaced “Blue” with “Your Welcome” and I love both
I honestly wish we could just have both "Blue" and "I Say No" in the same show. Maybe it's that I love Carrie Hope Fletcher's song just so much, but I feel like they both add something to the show.
On the West End production Blue is replaced by Your Welcome, I Say No is later in the show.
I personally like both Blue and Your Welcome in different ways.
“Thoughts on the west end heathers”
Best thing ever, I’m not even exaggerating when I tell you I listen to it daily. Also blue was replaced with you’re welcome xx
I also listen to it every freaking day. Sam and Ryan should listen to all the songs in order.
@@kuramacabre YES!! i would love for ryan to react to jamie muscato’s and carrie hope fletcher’s vocals and their performances (ESPECIALLY jamie’s as he made so many good changes to jd as in he really brung out the trauma that jd has from seeing his mother die and that…odd thing with bud dead he has goin on.) idk if u cant tell but i am a very big fan of west end heathers LMAO
@@miwitistic Jamie made JD more human and charismatic. Both Ryan and Jamie made me actually like JD (Christian Slater is amaing but the character is terrifying).
Anyone else think Heathers UK is way darker than off-Broadway Heathers?? I’ve seen both (one slime tutorial and one live ) and the UK version especially Jamie Muscato was just chilling.
Blue was replaced by You're Welcome is still about date rape but it adds more depth to the scene. I honestly think You're Welcome is closer to what would actually happen in highschool (as an almost highschool student) Sure they might use some of the vocabulary used in Blue but You're Welcome is honestly more accurate to what would go down at Highschool. Especially some of the things tha Kurt and Ram say, and (spoiler of lyrics ahead) when Veronica starts talking about what she learned in her self defense classes. I like both Blue and You're welcome dont get me wrong both are amazing.
They replaced blue with your welcome, which is a different version for Kurt & Ram to sing.
Heathers added your welcome - which is their version of blue, same context just more raw. They also added i say no, and never shut up again- Heather dukes song
On the morning of Valentine’s Day I’m watching Sam and Ryan talk about love and murder
i was trying to ignore this, but i feel like i need to say that Blue wasn't replaced with I Say No, it was replaced with You're Welcome, which is honestly, a lot scarier
Fun fact. I say no didn't replace blue, a song called you're welcome did and it's literally just Veronica being terrified of what these guys will do to her. Yeah they flipped it to Veronica's POV rather than Kurt and rams, but it still packs this huge punch. I feel like they needed to do more research before dissing the UK version
My brain just exploded.
Sam, who I knew from Hi5 Corp and Totally Trendy... Ryan, who acted as JD from Heathers.
ARE CONNECTED IN THIS UNIVERSE- WHAT!?
I will spend my Valentine's Day rewatching Sam and Ryan's videos all day. Who's with me?
I’m with u same I don’t like Valentine’s Day but this one will be the best
Cuz of them
Same
Yeah you get me and the girl who did this
Can u reply to the comments I made
Btw the replaced BLUE with YOURE WELCOME and also added I say no I say no happens a little later on in the musical
^^^
4:50 Ryan’s little:
Hehehe
Was adorable!!!
10:00 to 15:00 (West End Heathers) You got a point with Blue being important, but what you got wrong was I say No Came as a song to furthen Veronicas Character She gave JD a Chance in Our love is god and Seventeen but now she says No. What actually replaced Blue was You're welcome, which keeps the youth language from Kurt and Ram and the controversity but mixes it with Veronicas Helplessness.
A subjectiv opinion: I feel like Blue drags a bit after the minute 2.
There’s literally no other answer to the “who’s your favorite Heather” question. The only right answer is Chandler, enough said
Heather. McNamara.
this man put west end heathers and riverdale heathers in the same sentence, please :(
Edit: ryan i dont think you understand how much heather fans appreciate heathers the musical as a whole. there is no separation between westend and off broadway fans. we consume any and all content within the heathers vicinity.
west end heathers was incredible, yes orchestrations differed but honestly i cannot choose a favorite production. i felt incredibly lucky to be there. I Did miss blue, and i think it is a great shame they removed it. I say no was superfluous bUT a welcome addition (not replacement as Sam said) to the show.
also fuck riverdale heathers. thanks
ive always thought heathers off broadway had more of a rock vibe to it and west end heathers felt more like a musical. like idk if this makes sense but the west end cast recording kind of sounds more like a musical whereas the original off broadway recording sounds more like a rock concert
@@ErikDijk i agree! Also i definetely think since the OG heathers were off Broadway and new, they had more creative freedome with sound. West end had a reputation to uphold but also had to appeal to the traditional musicality of West End shows
For me the riverdale heathers episode is what got me into musicals and into heathers so I'm kinda thankful for it's existence
@@allthingsfandoms6833 thats great! Anything that gets people into musicals is appreciated :3
@@mcarts4722 true
I really appreciated the conversation about school violence and how that plays in the current US culture
Could you guys do a Rocky Horror fan vs actor. I would watch that soup so fast.
"make those mother-soupers pass out and bounce"
-ryan mccartan
as for Blue vs. You're Welcome,
I listened to Blue for the first time when I was probably about 11, so naturally it made me a little uncomfortable.
I quite like it now, though You're Welcome is extremely catchy.
I prefer the tone of Blue however, and I don't think I would've switched them.
Same. The first time i heard Blue was a few months ago when i was 15, and it made me uncomfortable, even tho i wasnt as young as you were when you first heard it, hearing it for the first time makes you squirm. Now i kinda like the tone of it and it’s catchy
I’ve been waiting for this I also made a Heathers animatic btw Blue was replaced by youre welcome I say no was Veronica and JD
I'm so sad that I'll probably never get the chance to perform in heathers as Veronica it would literally be my dream
To this day Meant to be Yours is my favourite orchestrated musical theatre number
Side note: blue was replaced with you're welcome, which was also more empowering for Veronica but still sung by Kurt and ram
I have no real opinion because I like you're welcome better but (and I guess I'd be a hypocrite not to count this as more important so I guess I'm against removing it) blue fits better there
I say no was a separately added song (which, musically, I absolutely love, but I won't go into that rn unless anyone wants me to)
They also added a song for Heather duke which, just as a concept, I hate for so many reasons (which I also won't go into unless someone wants me to)
I Say No is Veronica’s break-up song with JD. She finally realizes that he is going down a road that she cannot save him from and their relationship needs to end. It’s crucial to Carrie Hope Fletcher’s version of Veronica, who is a little bit feistier and strong-willed than Barrett Wilbert Weed’s Veronica, in my opinion. Both are AMAZING takes on the character but I Say No is super important to the west end version of Veronica
13:31 Ryan I just thought that you should know that I watched the US slime tutorial first a couple years back and I loved it. I fell in love with it. After having watched it again early this year, I fell in love with it and musical theatre again and from there I found the UK version. I love both depictions of the show and I just connected with it so much but I didn’t really understand why at first but I am in love with both versions of the musical and if anything I would love to see them combined with all of the songs. For example I would have loved to see Blue in the UK version, then see Kurt and Ram perform Youre Welcome after that to show how quickly the tables have turned. But yeah, just though you should know that I wouldn’t change anything of either versions I have seen, I would love to see a combined show of all of the songs.
I just noticed that Betty Finn wasn't in the musical at all
Someone already said it deeper in the comments but ‘blue’ was actually replaced by ‘you’re welcome’ which is similar to ‘blue’ but it puts a slightly more realistic look on it, making it a little heavier than blue. ‘I say no’ tho was Veronica cutting ties from JD and describing what it’s like being with him and realizing he’s making all these promises ab changing but he’s never going to actually fulfill them
i like LOVE JD in the Musical Periodt. The emotion the darkness everything is like a rollercoaster, especially in "Meant to be yours"!
meant to be yours is so utterly terrifying and i love it
This channel makes me smile and makes me so happy. Haven’t felt that way in a while. They are just the best
Correction: BLUE was replaced by you're welcome not by I say no. I say no is more like an addition to actually further explain what veronica is feeling when she decide to actually call it quits with JD.
Love this video tho
Hi Sam & Ryan! Just wanted to say that I saw Ryan in Heathers when I first moved to NYC and it was and still is my favorite Broadway/off Broadway experience I've ever had (and I saw Hamilton with the original cast). I'm not a listens to musical soundtracks type of person, but I will still go back and watch/listen to this show and get full on chills. Such a brilliant production
Wasn’t mean girls based on the heathers movie, so technically one movie brought us 2 musicals and 1 movie
This discussion was really beautiful. Both Sam and Ryan are so articulate and thoughtful about this. I really enjoyed this. Thanks!
blue was my 7th most listened to song of 2020 on spotify wrapped. you could say it has a special place in my heart
Just me that got pissed at the fact that they thought the song blue was replaced with I say no in the west end version when it was actually replaced with you're welcome which is just as much of a banger and the song I say no was added further into the shows
Blue was replaced with a song called your welcome which is along the lines as blue
12:02 I know loads of people have already said this but Blue was replaced with Your Welcome which in my opinion was even better than blue. Your Welcome has its comedic lines yet it’s a lot darker and in a minor key too which, in my opinion, sets the tone a lot better and adds an intensity to the scene.
I used to be a die hard fan of Heathers and I watched the west end production and didn’t enjoy it as much as the off-Broadway Heathers because the costumes and extra songs just didn’t fit the vibe of the original.
hey Sam and Ryan! I just wanted to say I literally love you guys so so so much like I just light up whenever I see you guys and other people I admire and love. And although it might not be in real life just hearing them sing or talk I dunno I can’t really describe it. anyways lyyy. ❤️
I was waiting for thissssss
thanks for this!
i´m training rn to a performance as JD, this helped me stress less and think that it will be fun!
You guys make me so happy, I’m so thankful
thank you both for working so hard each week to make content for us!! we all love you sm! 💘
6:35 i thought she was gonna say "I love, LOVE you" at ryan haha but she talked about his songs lol
5 minutes of them yammering about the west end production based on a souping mistake! Priceless
I think it's funny how the one small incorrect detail of I Say No *replacing* Blue managed to basically invalidate a lot of their points here. Whatever their opinions on I Say No are, a lot of what they said about it seemed to be dismissing it because the tone was completely wrong to replace Blue which is definitely correct. The irony, of course, is that the actual song to replace Blue is far far darker (whether you think that's good or not)
blue was not replaced with "I say no", blue was replaced with "youre welcome!"
basically similar song but less offensive
yayyyy!! i’ve been waiting for this!
Something that I really love about heathers message-wise was is school’s reaction to and dismissal of suicide. People call heathers “problematic,” but that really is the closest representation I’ve seen to my experience. Schools say they love you and they care for your mental health, and in the same breath “experiment on you like guinea pigs and patronize you like bunny rabbits.” While the idea of the three mean girls wasn’t true to my high school experience, this ABSOLUTELY was. And the idealistic, romanticized view everyone had in The Me Inside of Me of the oh so tragic tortured soul Heather Chandler, while dismissing Martha’s attempt at “trying to fit in with the popular kids,” is so true to reality it stings. Ms flemming grinds my gears, and that goes to show how affective her character is
You're Welcome (replaced blue) has lines like "how can you expect us to control ourselves" and "we can't be blamed" etc. I definitely wouldn't call it "safe" as it definitely is the opposite. I Say No happens later on in the musical and Carrie hope fletcher has absolutely incredible vocals. I'd love to see you guys watching both of these songs!! (I'd also recommend Jamie Muscato's Meant to be Yours)
fun fact yellow tends to mean happiness, but can also have a deeper meaning of anxiety and worry, like the happiness is a mask for that, which is essentially Heather MacNamara
*I love this video!! Ca you please do a video about broadway/musical bootlegs, i think it would be really interesting to hear your perspectives )*
I have had a really really bad day and this video made my whole week. 🥺❤️
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE TURN IT UPPP
Omfg I was waiting FOREVER for this video and I'm satisfied 🥺♥️
Just saying, I like both the Off-Broadway and West End productions, almost entirely because West End kinda gave us You're Welcome (which replaced Blue) which is one of my favorite songs so.....
I wish they could have remembered that the song that replaced Blue was You’re welcome, not I Say No. I’d love to see a sort of proper comparison.
I loveddd all the questions asked in this and would have really loved to be a part of the conversation and given my own input. Loved.
It was painting me how they messed up "I say no" with "Your Welcome"
Omg, I love this, im personally a HUGE Heathers fan, but I wish to be in a production of it someday. Love the vid ❤️❤️❤️
1) McNamara is my favourite Heather in the movie and the musical.. she's just so sweet
2) not Sam mentioning "slime tutorials" ahahaha
I know it is a two year old video and a lot of people have already said it. But, Laurence O’keefe wrote ‘you’re welcome’ to replace blue himself. You mention about the ‘Originalist version’ and the lineages of the off broadway version. Fickman, O’keefe and Murphy all came over to London to do Heathers in the west end so that’s a pretty good lineage. There is also a slime video of the 2018 west end show if you ever want to review it.
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blue was replaced by a song called you’re welcome and blue reprise was replaced by a song called never shut up again :). i say no was a song that happened right before kindergarten boyfriend at the end of act two and it was a song where veronica stood up to jd