King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard handle bootlegs in the best way: They provide the source audio themselves, then offer anyone to make their own physical release with the band’s blessing. They only ask that you give them a few copies of whatever you produce. They even did this for their album Polygondwanaland.
Frank Zappa put out a Beat The Boots series, which were exact copies (sound and graphics) of bootlegs, selling for non-exorbitant prices. He said something like "let them sue me".
I don't know the specifics of the Clapton lawsuit, but often it's the label or publisher that blocks videos or enforces copyrights, not the artist him or herself.
No problem with bootlegs. , like you, I've been collecting since the first ones. Most of the material would never see the light of day otherwise. If fans didn't want the material, there would be no market for it. As fans, we buy all their legit material first, and then whatever else we can get.
I’ve loved the whole bootleg scene. Have been to bootleg conventions back in the day n also where one bootlegger rented one motel room n maybe between 8-12 people were in the room at once. All like a record store but with the vitality of an Asian market! Great fun! My targets were Dylan, Mick Taylor years Stones n also got some box set live early Zeppelin replete with two tee shirts in each set! I treasure what I got still. To me, it hurt no one at all. The artists still got their ivory backscratchers n I got to hear things I would never got to hear in this lifetime.
In 1995 I think , the UK writer ( Dylan obsessive) Clinton Heylin wrote the book “ Bootleg the secret history of the other recording industry “ and at the time this was perhaps the only place you could get an in depth read on those illicit but sought after recordings. I knew of one shop that sold them “ under the counter “ . Fans bought them .The average record buyer probably didn’t even know these things existed unless they read the counter culture papers and fanzines that often reviewed them. I guess they are still a niche market these days due to the often amazing official releases that are being produced. Great video again Mazzy.
A lot of times, the bootlegs are superior to the later official releases. I’m thinking of David Bowie at Santa Monica 1972. When they released the official version they dubbed on a lot more crowd noise making it sound like he was playing a stadium rather than a small venue. They also cut out some of his between song dialogue. There was also a lot of re-recording done for the final Ziggy Stardust live show from 73. Another one is the Genesis live Lamb concert that was a bootleg but officially released in their Archive box set. For the official release Peter Gabriel decided to re-record about 70% of his live vocals. This was 20 years later and his voice had noticeably aged. I’d rather hear the original bootleg, even if he forgot a lyric or hit a bum note, at least it was an authentic record of the performance of the 25 year Gabriel and not his middle aged self. I wonder what other official releases of former bootlegs have been doctored in the same way.
Something that comes to mind - Jimi Hendrix at Winterland November 1968 - the board tapes circulate, and Traffic's Chris Wood joins for a song at 1 show and his part, captured on tape, was erased for the official release.
Fascinating subject and I'm so glad you talk about it Mazzy. I have been buying boots for 45 years ! I watched with interest while the Stones re-released old bootleg live recordings from the Vault but when I heard them - all cleaned up, and re-mixed i was er unimpressed and sold them. I love the old original vinyl boots from the 71/72/73/75 era, they capture the rough, raw and dirty rock n roll better than the new releases. One mysterious omission from the list of artists giving old live recordings a new release is Pink Floyd. There are lots of excellent vinyl boots - but where are the official releases?
We have the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law." The letter of the law is going after everyone. The spirit of the law is going after those who are really steeling intellectual property. You rant was spot on.
I just read the Pig book. I noted that the pig an had a pair of La Scala speakers back in 1968, I just got my pair in September 2021. Fun read. I have a few bootleg records. I have over 9,000 bootleg files but probably have only listened a fifth of them. Amazed by the quality of some
I agree with you about bootlegs. Years ago, there was a series of books called Hot Wacks, which would grade the sound quality, source etc which was my bible when it came to buying bootlegs.
We need better laws. The Dead never even sold that many records but their freewheeling emphasis on live shows made them one of the highest grossing touring bands in history. We also need shorter durations for copyright so works by dead artists or works older than fifty or sixty years pass into the public domain. I would love to own A Toot and a Snore in ‘74.
Bootlegs are fine, some bands still don’t even have official releases or barely any. I’ve bought bootlegs for a Japanese band that had never had any official releases.
Hello Norman! do your Dylan TMOQ lps still have the paper inserts? i like to collect the old Dylan TMOQ lps. Nice to hear you used to have a bunch of bootlegs back in the day.
Yeah I love Bootlegs I was selling a bootleg on eBay I can’t remember is a vinyl or a CD but eBay goes that’s counterfeit and I go no it’s not counterfeit it’s not copying anything they put out and they were not listen to me for nothing so they banned me for three days oh well I survived I like the video was good thanks
Great video man mazzy. I have a videosuggestion for you. Im very interested in your top 20 albums of all time. You did rank several artists discography but i would be very interested to see your ranking of every you top 20 albums ever
Bootlegs are bought for the most part by fans who already own every other record by the artist. I started buying Led Zeppelin bootlegs after I had bought every studio album and the only live album that was available at that time.
Tell me about it.....I must have at least 50 of them.......and I don't see myself stopping. By the way, if you don't own it yet...you need to - get the legal release of "Yardbirds 68".....it's fantastic. I have the boot too....but the legal release sounds great.
@@MJEvermore853 Yup - same here. There is some GREAT LZ stuff out there....now...if Page would just release the stuff (which he has plenty of), we'd be doing great. I did end up re-buying the entire LZ catalogue to get ALL the extra discs.....and I felt it was worth it as they all contained some great and rare stuff. Side note - Get "Yardbirds '68"....it's awesome.
There once was a band that didn't care that people recorded and bootlegged their concerts. Once the music was played they were done with it was the band's attitude. For years and years this went on. This band had to stay on the road most of the year playing shows because they had no money and no one came to the shows because they could just get a copy of a bootlegged tape from a friend. They even set up a special section of the arena where anyone with recording equipment could go and record the show. But every show was exactly they same, so what was the point? For thirty years this band struggled to make it, to create a following. Alas, they're hardly known by anyone anymore. They've resorted to selling t-shirts and sneakers with their artwork on it. I wonder what ever became of that band they called the Grateful Dead.
I saw a list John Lennon filled out for something - like things you are thankful for, things you are worried about; almost a word-association thing. Lennon filled out on What are you thankful for? He wrote BOOTLEGS. I love that artists are embracing their unreleased/live material and making it available. I also ONLY know The Grey Album - never heard The Black Album.
All the deluxe editions of The Beatles releases (bonus tracks) and The Anthology sets don't contain one tenth of the unreleased material I have on bootlegs (for instance 12 versions of Strawberry Fields). They don't replace official releases. They fill in gaps for collectors. No to counterfeits but yes to boots. I heard John Lennon collected Beatles boots.
I heard (somewhere) that the first bootlegs of Pete Townshend demos were leaked by him, because he was passed off that people were bootlegging Dylan, the Stones, Beatles but not The Who!
@@mazzysmusic Yes, eventually I got the Fillmore East stuff and that Who’s Zoo b side and tv compilation, but I think the demo one came first. I remember getting Liver Than You’ll Ever Be and Get Back the same day in Minneapolis. I guess now they’ve put out the Glyn Johns mix of Get Back. Eventually all will be revealed!
It is very smart for artists to release their archives, Deep Purple have done so, Alice Cooper released a couple of them as record store releases and Metallica also release live recordings in their website. I love bootlegs but that is for the niche die hard collector not your average fan
Bob Dylan said, Just because you bought my record doesn;t mean I owe you anything. It's a great line. Since he sold his back catalogue for 300 million (expect to hear Dylan songs hocking any old &^%$ in future), and even before that, since he hocked his music to advertise the cars of big corporations, I don't owe Dylan anything just because I dig his songs. If and when I can get them free, and if and when some pirates can put out copies that Dylan doesn't get a cent from, that's the kind of outlaw action I can celebrate - - somewhere beyond Disney's multi-million-dollar idea of being a pirate. (Also I can save Dylan fans some money: Paul Morley's Dylan book this year is as tediously recursive and sycophantic and dissembling and unenlightened as some of those disgruntled customer reviews say it is. I wasted some money there, but this note might save you some.)
The German woman could have just removed the listing but it was her who decided to take it to court level. She told Clapton's lawyers “feel free to file a lawsuit if you insist on the demands”. She instructed her own lawyers, had her day in court and lost. Clapton's manager said "“Costs are usually minimal unless the case is argued in court, which is what happened here as the lady instructed her own lawyers. Now that the full facts of this particular case have come to light, the intention is that the formal German proceedings will not be pursued any further.”
I was in a store in Greenwich Village and Jimmy Page was looking through the Led Zep bootlegs, Very nice, smiled at everyone but he just wanted to be left alone. Bought 3 records
They are your damn records. You can plop them down all you want. People embrace the freedom of letting people live their lives, unless that means infecting others. #simple
Why would you give away your collection to someone who would sell it? Honest question. Wouldn't you prefer the person who inherited it cherished it as much as you have? Genuinely curious of your answer. I think about my collection after I'm gone and what will happen to it.
There’s a video on RUclips of Neil Young sometime in the 1970’s looking around in a record store and he comes across a bootleg of his music. He loses his mind and goes off on the clerk behind the counter. If you’ve never seen it, it’s definitely worth the time to look it up and watch it.
At about 8 minutes you mention Springsteen didn't go after bootleggers. This is completely untrue. Google Vicki Vinyl or Andrea Waters attached to his name and read about what happened between Bruce and bootleggers in 1980.
Love boots...I"m addicted to them. I will buy them until the day I die.....and when some of these artists get off their ASSES and officially release a show that I already OWN on bootleg...I then buy the RELEASED version. So no...sorry, I don't want to hear the artists complain. My suggestion : RELEASE it ....WARTS AND ALL....I guarantee the people WILL buy it. Quit hoarding the shit.... I am very much AGAINST counterfeits however! One last note...boots aren't for everyone....you need patience to collect them.....
Just in case my last post was overlooked because it was so lengthy let me retake your attention to it by saying it involves me the FBI bootleg records so maybe you might be interested in rereading it or reading it until the end
what i think a lot of people (younger, probably) seem to not know is that as a collector back then, there was nothing else to buy (collect)!!! Also, there was no internet (shocking, i know! lol) what is the paper quality like on those 1973 Beatles Best Of Boots jackets?
Wooden Nickle by CSNY, "Liver than you'll ever be" by the stones(which spawned "Get your ya ya's out) and the Grateful Dead at Winterland 10/04/70 were big ones back then. Oops, also Neil Young's "Young Man's Fancy."
I don't think you have anything to apologize about. You're entitled to your opinions on your channel. Suing a woman for selling a cd makes Clapton look bad. I don't think he has commented on it yet, so that doesn't Help either. Keep doing what you do mazzy.
I've been collecting music for 58 years and I don't have or ever owned a bootleg on record or CD. I've never had an interest in bootlegs even the official bootlegs that have been released. I do have official live videos of concerts on DVD and Blu ray.
Cool video. I’ve been collecting bootlegs, mostly CDs but some vinyl, since college in the mid-1990s. I have a pretty large collection of mostly Springsteen. I’m going to try and get a video up in the next few days showing off some highlights. Two points on Springsteen: he did stop the distribution of the Before the Fame CD that was largely demos and outtakes from around 1972/73. I think the first iteration came out before his Tracks box. Also, not sure if he was involved, but I recall feds raiding a record store in or near his hometown of Freehold that was selling lots of boots. I have heard that he has sought out music and video from the fan community to help fill his archival void, especially since he rarely recorded his early performances.
If the industry had adopted the position the Dead took on taping, enabling it the whole bootlegging business could have been closed down. Allowing the taping of live shows and the exchanging of said tapes does nothing but increases album sales. Its a win/win the punter gets a record of the concert and the artist free publicity. I'm a longtime Dead Head and existence of tapes if anything encouraged me to buy the albums. I live in the UK so where it not for audience tapes I would have only heard the band live once a decade when they crossed the pond.
Concerning Dylan bootlegs, have you ever read the 1980 book "Bob Dylan, His Unreleased Recordings" by Paul Cable? With regard to classical music performance bootlegs, you may wish to see the 1981 French movie "Diva".
@@mazzysmusic Concerning "Don't Look Back", several years after it came out (but in the pre-video days), I came across what looked like a non-commercial lp which included selections from that movie. Is that lp considered bootleg?
In 68/69 a LAW was PASSED that superseded the ALLOWING of anyone to make Copies of the recordings as long as THE ARTIST were Paid its Contractual Fees... MUNTZ (4-Track Tapes) did exactly that & that is how we ended up with TWO NEW ITEMS. (1.) 8-Track Tapes owned by the Recording Industry. (2.) A Federal Law that INCLUDED the RIGHTS of Manufacturers to Criminalize all Recordings held under the Contract of the Artist's Work. >>>> this is essentially made the RECORD Company owner of the Copyright. The Record Companies used 'CopyRight' to include them and protect their investments.
hell i'ld buy some of your boots mazzi, i don't sell my vinyl, i listen to and love my records as my music is my solace! and all my boots are my special records which i truly believe are of historical significance and are a register of the awesome fuckin' music, but that's just me, i can't speak nor would i of others habits.
Always thought that the Rolling Stones bootleg Liver Than You’ll Ever Be, was there best live album they ever did! You never mentioned The Grateful Dead, it was like an industry with fans recording the live concerts, I think at first the Dead try to stop it, but fortunately in the end they realised all it did was increase the interest in the music and now there’s even Apps that you can download and hear 100’s of shows👍
@@lamper2 Agree, but what live Stones album would you recommend that captures a great performance by them. I still think the Liver bootleg is better than Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out imo
Totally agree...it makes Clapton look small and frankly it tarnishes my view of him....as you said....offering the lady an autographed copy of the Layla album or something could have diffused the whole situation.....Clapton has also been getting weird over masks and lockdowns.....while other artists ( Neil Young) have explained they are canceling shows to protect not only his band but....his fans... showing some love beats being a dick anyday......thanks for another great video!
The Beatles Alpha Omega series are technically Pirates. I like taking the bootlegs and Legal issues and putting them in order of recording date. I don't like CDR's, but I put them on cassette tape. I would prefer reel-to-reel, but I lack the space for it. I Have a television set that would take up the room where I would put a reel-to-reel at. But it's far better to listen to the music in the same order that the recording artist recorded them. Thanks for the plug of that book, I will look for that.
Norman Maslov, on a cold and dreary November night in 1970 in Daly City, CA, after a muddy, muddy high school soccer game screamed out in the locker room, “Larry, I just bought the greatest rock opera album! You aren’t Jewish - you have to buy it! Jesus Christ Superstar!” Norman always got the best albums. He was no wanker Larry deGhetaldi
Totally agree with you Maz. Pirate recordings are wrong and will always be wrong. Bootlegs do not take royalties from artists because the music on bootlegs was never going to be released anyway. If the artists and labels released their music in the first place there would be no bootleg market. Everyone is entitled to their opinion unless of course they live in a Stalinist communist country where only the leaders opinion is allowed. ..............Enjoy the music. Have a great Christmas and New year from Miss Rotty and me.................
@@donna25871 One thing to remember: If the artists don't respect what their fans want, the artists won't have any fans. If the artists have no fans, they have no income. If the artists don't want bootlegs then they should release official versions of these recordings. The fans are the artists lifeblood.........
Springsteen did indeed sue a woman a/k/a Vicky Vinyl. dragged her into court and got a judgement against her. She was pressing up Bruce LP box sets from FM broadcasts. But the Stones were the main artist on her imprint.
I saw that Neil Young video,It made me not like him as a person,he treated that poor guy behind the counter terribly. I still love Neil's music,just not him.
I watched your Clapton "rant" and read the WAPO article you posted as well. Obviously I felt it was more than about the woman being sued for trying to sell a Clapton bootleg. Howeverrrrr, on the topic of bootlegs, I am surprised you didn't hold up a Grateful Dead bootleg in this video. You've mentioned seeing the Grateful Dead a lot, if I remember correctly. Ever since The Grateful Dead began there were tapers as well as soundboard tapes going around to traders. Then later on The Dead sold taper section tickets to tapers and digital tapes were rated, like A+ to C+ or whatever. I miss those days and days between. I think soundboard recordings of The Grateful Dead are now pretty much taken off bootleg sites and are being mixed by Dave Lemieux for Dave's Picks - and put out by Rhino. It started with Dick's Pick's, Road Trips, Dozing at The Knick (That's where I'm from - Albany, NY - actually Troy) and other excellent live releases and not too expensive. Anyway - that's all I'm guessing about The Grateful Dead bootlegs. Thanks Mazzy for showing grate stuff from your personal Wall of Sound!!!!!
Like Most Record Collectors i do have Many Bootleg Lps .....Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones and Neil Young Among Them ..Most Of Them I Bought From a Little Lock-up Store In Vernons Yard Paddington London, Called Virgin, owned By a Bloke named Richard Branson, Who In fact Served Me On a few Occasions, I must admit when years Later When He argued On Television that People Copying Music on Computers Was Wrong, I thought You Ain't Got No Complaint mate...Another great Video...Thanks For letting us Know About The Bootleg Book.
Lve Concert Bootlegs are fine. Counterfeit releases not. Hmmm.. I have four bootlegs. Three are comps hard to find/expensive original punk 7"s from 70s/80s and 7' unauthorized pressing of 60s single...
We traded Grateful Dead bootleg cassettes for YEARS....then we traded mp3s, now you pay for them on Wolfgangs. Not a win for anyone but Graham's estate in my opinion.
I liked your infectious passion in the Clapton video. This video is important in putting it into context and I agree completely with you regarding the fundamental difference between bootlegs and counterfeits. Bravo.
Me: 1982 after just turning 18 southern calif Goldmine ad in the back no bigger than the size of your pinky finger stating Audio/video tapes for sale or trade Beatles, Sabbath, Floyd etc send SASE for list 'steve martin' in Idaho Falls requests Beatles list I mail it off couple weeks later I get a second letter with a $41 postal money order inside requesting one Beatles audio tape and one Beatles video tape covering postage too...I mail it off...couple weeks later knock on my parents front door ( remember I'm only 18 so I still live at home) oh hey it's Steve Martin he's working at the local Northern Air Force Base and he noticed how the ZIP code was the same as mine so he looked me up and voila here he is at my front door oh come on in Steve into my bedroom here yeah wow and what timing as I just received some new Beatles tapes sure I can make copies of that for you have to give you directions to a nearby retail store to buy some blanks tapes cuz I don't have any right now and yeah when you return with the blanks you can pay me or you can pay tomorrow morning when you come pick them up they don't matter to me and since I don't have to spend any money on postage I can sell them to you for cheaper than I did before so Steve Martin goes and get some blanks comes back give me the tapes and the money and I tell him that I'll probably be sleeping in the morning and that my brother will be awake and he will answer the door and give you the tapes and so he pays me some money and I need to take that night because he's going back to Idaho in a couple days and he wants to get this done before he leaves and I'm 18 and very naive and he looks quite older than me but then again a lot of older people like the Beatles and Pink Floyd and I am young because my brothers like those bands and turn me on to them when I was little anyway I remember hearing the doorbell ring the next morning and I just rolled back over and went to sleep and later that afternoon there's a knock on my door I clearly remember eating a bowl of fruit loops and watching gomer Pyle when the knock came) and it's not anybody I know as a matter of fact it's 2 FBI agents with a search warrant and two local policemen and a little bit later another knock comes but the person knocking just lets themself in " oh can't you see I'm busy Steve" come on in John another voice says...then I realize what's really going on and well fuck you to Mr undercover asshole.....destroyed my room took every record and tape I owned ALL of them while only maybe 3-5% were on my list and bootleg they didn't differentiate they took them all and ALL my stereo equipment too took me to jail FBI mind you, and the end result was misdemeanor convictions 2 days in jail $750 fine and i lost all my collection ALL of it every album I bought legitimately and wasn't on my list, Sgt Pepper's, Sab Bloody Sab, wish u were here, I had every studio album which I wasn't selling copies of on tape from every band I liked taken from me and I bought hundreds of blank audio tapes which I taped the studio albums onto that I bought so I can listen to them in my car and they took all those too even though they weren't bootlegs and I wasn't selling them and I had just bought some marijuana so they must have thought oh gold mine no pun intended but not only do we have illegal reproduction of sound devices or whatever the hell it was worded on the penal code that I broke but we got marijuana too and then all the letters that I got from people asking for a list of mine all and that I've done business with they took all their addresses and names with them cuz they took all that paperwork I had and they took a book on bootlegs because inside the book it said something about them being illegal or blah blah blah and they wanted to prove that I knew what I was doing when I sold the illegal contraband mind you the illegal contraband was one video tape and one audio tape of The Beatles $41 in total and then two or three videotapes later when he knocked on my door so why they needed to do that when they already had me mailing off did you take the Idaho falls and catching the postal money order for $41 right then and there they had me guilty why did they need to knock on my door and do all that other bullshit I guess cuz they wanted my collection and they thought I was some kind of Big Time bootlegger. When the court case was adjudicated and I went to at least get back my stereo equipment there was no tuner and the needle assembly, or arm, on my turntable was missing. That was my early experience with bootlegs and Steve Martin from Idaho falls Idaho!
@@mazzysmusic good morning to you....I was curious to know, and I'm a child of the 70s so I know a bit or two about bootleg records, but how come, for instance, when speaking of live recordings during the same time period, let's say 1973 to 1977, a POOR sounding live pink Floyd boot would be an anomaly while a POOR sounding Sabbath boot would be the norm! How did Floyd come to have so many of their boots sounding like Boston '75 or Oakland '77 while so many Sabbath ones sounded like Love in Chicago from 1974?
Um...if you want to plop the records down, it is your right. YOU bought them!! You own them. You can do as you wish!! Who are these, to use your word, wankers??
Norm didn’t mind either videos probably because I understand it was your opinion. Hey on a side note I found a unique album the other day. A San Francisco band from the late 60s. Frumious Bandersnatch, figured you would know who they were.
Good job, Mazzy. The philosophy behind the rant is supported by good arguments. I don't see it as a defense, as I had not yet watched the 'When did Clapton become a wanker' video. This video provides good pro and con arguments regarding bootleg, archival editions, counterfeits, etc. Thanks.
I don't think you have anything to apologise for in your 'rant'' Norman, It was great to see a bit of passion about something you feel strongly about, agreed with everything you said, well done, subscribed!
Uhhhhh, Bruce Springsteen did indeed sue bootleggers. He snubbed his nose at bootleggers and when the Roxy show was broadcasted on LA radio, he said something to the affect "bootleggers roll your tapes". Please do more research, there are boots, pirate copies and counterfeits.
In fact, Amazing Cornyphone, Rubber Dubber (he took over the label from the original guys) and tmoq, it was all the same guy. And then he became Toasted. If this book, Pig's Tale, doesn't say that, then they don't know much. And then this main guy who was behind it all quit, traveled around the world and became a photographer, while the guy that designed the inserts for Cornyphone tried to sell limited edition lithographs of his original artwork online.
I believe Scott the Rubber Dubber ran his own label pressing up his own tapes, unrelated to the other bootleggers although they all burned his product.
I have a couple of Clapton bootlegs. ‘Club Full of Blues’ (audio) and ‘Nothing But The Blues’ (DVD). Both are from his ‘From The Cradle’ period and are excellent. But yeah, he’s being a jerk about bootlegs and the pandemic 😷
I think your rants are some of the best videos. The 'Prog Rock Records...' rant is hilarious. I think ranting can be very cathartic. ... long may you run
My experience with those who buy bootlegs [me and others], is that we are completists and are starved for more content, especially live shows. I suspect that the sales of bootlegs are way down given the trend in the industry [as you noted] for artists to release "vault" items. Zappa did this years ago with the 'Beat he Boots' thing he released. cheers!
thanks for all the content 2021 it has helped me get through these crazy times ...have a great christmas and happy new year ..ps philip larkin says fuck in his poetry its part of the english language jeez its universal pps ..do you have a copy of Hot Wacks by Kurt Glemser he has done a couple of bootleg discographies
Mazzy, I wish everyone was as wise about intellectual property as you seem to be. I don't do bootlegs, but I've been collecting for most of my nearly 60 years on earth. Bootlegs are NOT about piracy - they're about the FANS, wanting to share what they experienced with a performance or an unreleased gem with others. That's really all it is. And sure, some people make a little money on the side and when done properly, as you said, it results in pushing the artist to do some of that bootleg releasing themselves. That's a good thing, isn't it? But I'm sure your opinions won't be popular with the major labels, however...heh heh....
As for the book, just by reading the blurbs and the names mentioned in it, I have serious doubts about the authenticity. There was no Pigman, that I know. They want $50 for the book. I am not sure I should oblige.
I almost BOUGHT a PRESSING Plant next town over from me. ... I lived right next to Mexico and I can easily see how I might have bootleg vinyl and let 'cartel' distribute them into Mexico. Of course when you deal with 'Criminals' there is a tendency to cross over lines you didn't think you would once the FEVER is in you! - m.
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard handle bootlegs in the best way: They provide the source audio themselves, then offer anyone to make their own physical release with the band’s blessing. They only ask that you give them a few copies of whatever you produce. They even did this for their album Polygondwanaland.
Frank Zappa put out a Beat The Boots series, which were exact copies (sound and graphics) of bootlegs, selling for non-exorbitant prices. He said something like "let them sue me".
I don't know the specifics of the Clapton lawsuit, but often it's the label or publisher that blocks videos or enforces copyrights, not the artist him or herself.
No problem with bootlegs. , like you, I've been collecting since the first ones. Most of the material would never see the light of day otherwise. If fans didn't want the material, there would be no market for it. As fans, we buy all their legit material first, and then whatever else we can get.
I’ve loved the whole bootleg scene. Have been to bootleg conventions back in the day n also where one bootlegger rented one motel room n maybe between 8-12 people were in the room at once. All like a record store but with the vitality of an Asian market!
Great fun!
My targets were Dylan, Mick Taylor years Stones n also got some box set live early Zeppelin replete with two tee shirts in each set!
I treasure what I got still.
To me, it hurt no one at all.
The artists still got their ivory backscratchers n I got to hear things I would never got to hear in this lifetime.
In 1995 I think , the UK writer ( Dylan obsessive) Clinton Heylin wrote the book “ Bootleg the secret history of the other recording industry “ and at the time this was perhaps the only place you could get an in depth read on those illicit but sought after recordings. I knew of one shop that sold them “ under the counter “ . Fans bought them .The average record buyer probably didn’t even know these things existed unless they read the counter culture papers and fanzines that often reviewed them. I guess they are still a niche market these days due to the often amazing official releases that are being produced. Great video again Mazzy.
To paraphrase Keith Richards " If you aren't being bootlegged you ain't shit!"
A lot of times, the bootlegs are superior to the later official releases. I’m thinking of David Bowie at Santa Monica 1972. When they released the official version they dubbed on a lot more crowd noise making it sound like he was playing a stadium rather than a small venue. They also cut out some of his between song dialogue. There was also a lot of re-recording done for the final Ziggy Stardust live show from 73. Another one is the Genesis live Lamb concert that was a bootleg but officially released in their Archive box set. For the official release Peter Gabriel decided to re-record about 70% of his live vocals. This was 20 years later and his voice had noticeably aged. I’d rather hear the original bootleg, even if he forgot a lyric or hit a bum note, at least it was an authentic record of the performance of the 25 year Gabriel and not his middle aged self.
I wonder what other official releases of former bootlegs have been doctored in the same way.
Santa Monica Civic remains a gem 💎
You should digitize your bootlegs and upload them as torrents. Democratize that shit who cares about the old rich people the wankers turned into.
Something that comes to mind - Jimi Hendrix at Winterland November 1968 - the board tapes circulate, and Traffic's Chris Wood joins for a song at 1 show and his part, captured on tape, was erased for the official release.
first one that sprang to mind it was great
and yes the official one sounded false compared
my mate nicked mine so no longer have it : (
Fascinating subject and I'm so glad you talk about it Mazzy. I have been buying boots for 45 years ! I watched with interest while the Stones re-released old bootleg live recordings from the Vault but when I heard them - all cleaned up, and re-mixed i was er unimpressed and sold them. I love the old original vinyl boots from the 71/72/73/75 era, they capture the rough, raw and dirty rock n roll better than the new releases. One mysterious omission from the list of artists giving old live recordings a new release is Pink Floyd. There are lots of excellent vinyl boots - but where are the official releases?
swinging pig had some pretty nice led zep and hendrix boots with nice color covers and colored vinyl with pretty good sound too and made in germany
We have the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law." The letter of the law is going after everyone. The spirit of the law is going after those who are really steeling intellectual property. You rant was spot on.
The war on bootlegs is like the war on drugs it will never go away no matter how much legal action is taken
I just read the Pig book. I noted that the pig an had a pair of La Scala speakers back in 1968, I just got my pair in September 2021. Fun read. I have a few bootleg records. I have over 9,000 bootleg files but probably have only listened a fifth of them. Amazed by the quality of some
I agree with you about bootlegs. Years ago, there was a series of books called Hot Wacks, which would grade the sound quality, source etc which was my bible when it came to buying bootlegs.
I probably have a couple of hundred or more springsteen bootlegs on vinyl or CD, it's what got me into his music.
I agreed with I. The first video and agree with you now.
We need better laws. The Dead never even sold that many records but their freewheeling emphasis on live shows made them one of the highest grossing touring bands in history. We also need shorter durations for copyright so works by dead artists or works older than fifty or sixty years pass into the public domain. I would love to own A Toot and a Snore in ‘74.
I got Keith Richards to sign several of my Rolling Stones boots! Lolol
Bootlegs are fine, some bands still don’t even have official releases or barely any. I’ve bought bootlegs for a Japanese band that had never had any official releases.
Hello Norman! do your Dylan TMOQ lps still have the paper inserts? i like to collect the old Dylan TMOQ lps. Nice to hear you used to have a bunch of bootlegs back in the day.
Yes inserts in all of them ✌🏽
@@mazzysmusic Cool it, pops.
Yeah I love Bootlegs I was selling a bootleg on eBay I can’t remember is a vinyl or a CD but eBay goes that’s counterfeit and I go no it’s not counterfeit it’s not copying anything they put out and they were not listen to me for nothing so they banned me for three days oh well I survived I like the video was good thanks
Clapton has intervened and waived the lawyer's fees.
Great video man mazzy. I have a videosuggestion for you. Im very interested in your top 20 albums of all time. You did rank several artists discography but i would be very interested to see your ranking of every you top 20 albums ever
Bootlegs are bought for the most part by fans who already own every other record by the artist. I started buying Led Zeppelin bootlegs after I had bought every studio album and the only live album that was available at that time.
Tell me about it.....I must have at least 50 of them.......and I don't see myself stopping. By the way, if you don't own it yet...you need to - get the legal release of "Yardbirds 68".....it's fantastic. I have the boot too....but the legal release sounds great.
I'm in the same boat. I could never get enough LZ and I still can't...so on it goes, probably until the day I croak. 😊
@@MJEvermore853 Yup - same here. There is some GREAT LZ stuff out there....now...if Page would just release the stuff (which he has plenty of), we'd be doing great. I did end up re-buying the entire LZ catalogue to get ALL the extra discs.....and I felt it was worth it as they all contained some great and rare stuff. Side note - Get "Yardbirds '68"....it's awesome.
@@dancalmpeaceful3903...got it in my collection...excellent music on that one 👍
There once was a band that didn't care that people recorded and bootlegged their concerts. Once the music was played they were done with it was the band's attitude. For years and years this went on. This band had to stay on the road most of the year playing shows because they had no money and no one came to the shows because they could just get a copy of a bootlegged tape from a friend. They even set up a special section of the arena where anyone with recording equipment could go and record the show. But every show was exactly they same, so what was the point? For thirty years this band struggled to make it, to create a following. Alas, they're hardly known by anyone anymore. They've resorted to selling t-shirts and sneakers with their artwork on it. I wonder what ever became of that band they called the Grateful Dead.
I recall reading “Odds and Sods” was put out by The Who to combat bootleggers- great tracks that wouldn’t have seen the light of day otherwise.
Live at Leeds too and the outer packaging was meant to mimic bootlegs of the time.
Loved the previous rant, loved this one, agree 100%. Chill people
I saw a list John Lennon filled out for something - like things you are thankful for, things you are worried about; almost a word-association thing. Lennon filled out on What are you thankful for? He wrote BOOTLEGS. I love that artists are embracing their unreleased/live material and making it available. I also ONLY know The Grey Album - never heard The Black Album.
All the deluxe editions of The Beatles releases (bonus tracks) and The Anthology sets don't contain one tenth of the unreleased material I have on bootlegs (for instance 12 versions of Strawberry Fields).
They don't replace official releases. They fill in gaps for collectors. No to counterfeits but yes to boots. I heard John Lennon collected Beatles boots.
I heard (somewhere) that the first bootlegs of Pete Townshend demos were leaked by him, because he was passed off that people were bootlegging Dylan, the Stones, Beatles but not The Who!
@@scottholmstrom5832 interesting. There were eventually a lot of live Who boots ✌🏽
@@mazzysmusic Yes, eventually I got the Fillmore East stuff and that Who’s Zoo b side and tv compilation, but I think the demo one came first. I remember getting Liver Than You’ll Ever Be and Get Back the same day in Minneapolis. I guess now they’ve put out the Glyn Johns mix of Get Back. Eventually all will be revealed!
@@mazzysmusic your GWw is a later pressing
It is very smart for artists to release their archives, Deep Purple have done so, Alice Cooper released a couple of them as record store releases and Metallica also release live recordings in their website. I love bootlegs but that is for the niche die hard collector not your average fan
Bob Dylan said, Just because you bought my record doesn;t mean I owe you anything. It's a great line. Since he sold his back catalogue for 300 million (expect to hear Dylan songs hocking any old &^%$ in future), and even before that, since he hocked his music to advertise the cars of big corporations, I don't owe Dylan anything just because I dig his songs. If and when I can get them free, and if and when some pirates can put out copies that Dylan doesn't get a cent from, that's the kind of outlaw action I can celebrate - - somewhere beyond Disney's multi-million-dollar idea of being a pirate. (Also I can save Dylan fans some money: Paul Morley's Dylan book this year is as tediously recursive and sycophantic and dissembling and unenlightened as some of those disgruntled customer reviews say it is. I wasted some money there, but this note might save you some.)
The German woman could have just removed the listing but it was her who decided to take it to court level. She told Clapton's lawyers “feel free to file a lawsuit if you insist on the demands”. She instructed her own lawyers, had her day in court and lost. Clapton's manager said "“Costs are usually minimal unless the case is argued in court, which is what happened here as the lady instructed her own lawyers. Now that the full facts of this particular case have come to light, the intention is that the formal German proceedings will not be pursued any further.”
1970's bootleg LPs could be quite crude . But the best of them were great , and not all the music has found official release .
I was in a store in Greenwich Village and Jimmy Page was looking through the Led Zep bootlegs, Very nice, smiled at everyone but he just wanted to be left alone. Bought 3 records
They are your damn records. You can plop them down all you want. People embrace the freedom of letting people live their lives, unless that means infecting others. #simple
Why would you give away your collection to someone who would sell it? Honest question. Wouldn't you prefer the person who inherited it cherished it as much as you have? Genuinely curious of your answer. I think about my collection after I'm gone and what will happen to it.
Love your videos Mazzy ! You are a breath of fresh air in the vinyl community!👍
Apparently for some and not for others 🤷🏻♂️✌🏽
@@mazzysmusic Cool it, pops.
There’s a video on RUclips of Neil Young sometime in the 1970’s looking around in a record store and he comes across a bootleg of his music. He loses his mind and goes off on the clerk behind the counter. If you’ve never seen it, it’s definitely worth the time to look it up and watch it.
I actually mention that Neil Young video in this video....
@@mazzysmusic Cool it, pops.
I see that now. I commented before the video was over you said it a minute later 😂
At about 8 minutes you mention Springsteen didn't go after bootleggers. This is completely untrue. Google Vicki Vinyl or Andrea Waters attached to his name and read about what happened between Bruce and bootleggers in 1980.
Love boots...I"m addicted to them. I will buy them until the day I die.....and when some of these artists get off their ASSES and officially release a show that I already OWN on bootleg...I then buy the RELEASED version. So no...sorry, I don't want to hear the artists complain. My suggestion : RELEASE it ....WARTS AND ALL....I guarantee the people WILL buy it. Quit hoarding the shit....
I am very much AGAINST counterfeits however!
One last note...boots aren't for everyone....you need patience to collect them.....
Just in case my last post was overlooked because it was so lengthy let me retake your attention to it by saying it involves me the FBI bootleg records so maybe you might be interested in rereading it or reading it until the end
Well said. Well Done. As usual enjoyed every minute.
what i think a lot of people (younger, probably)
seem to not know is that as a collector back then, there was nothing else to buy (collect)!!!
Also, there was no internet (shocking, i know! lol)
what is the paper quality like on those 1973 Beatles Best Of Boots jackets?
The covers are ok weight wide the sleeves mediocre but normal for the times. Called Alpha Omegas as I recall
Wooden Nickle by CSNY, "Liver than you'll ever be" by the stones(which spawned "Get your ya ya's out) and the Grateful Dead at Winterland 10/04/70 were big ones back then. Oops, also Neil Young's "Young Man's Fancy."
I don't think you have anything to apologize about. You're entitled to your opinions on your channel. Suing a woman for selling a cd makes Clapton look bad. I don't think he has commented on it yet, so that doesn't
Help either. Keep doing what you do mazzy.
The question is, is Clapton even aware of the situation?
I've been collecting music for 58 years and I don't have or ever owned a bootleg on record or CD. I've never had an interest in bootlegs even the official bootlegs that have been released. I do have official live videos of concerts on DVD and Blu ray.
Cool video. I’ve been collecting bootlegs, mostly CDs but some vinyl, since college in the mid-1990s. I have a pretty large collection of mostly Springsteen. I’m going to try and get a video up in the next few days showing off some highlights. Two points on Springsteen: he did stop the distribution of the Before the Fame CD that was largely demos and outtakes from around 1972/73. I think the first iteration came out before his Tracks box. Also, not sure if he was involved, but I recall feds raiding a record store in or near his hometown of Freehold that was selling lots of boots. I have heard that he has sought out music and video from the fan community to help fill his archival void, especially since he rarely recorded his early performances.
If the industry had adopted the position the Dead took on taping, enabling it the whole bootlegging business could have been closed down. Allowing the taping of live shows and the exchanging of said tapes does nothing but increases album sales. Its a win/win the punter gets a record of the concert and the artist free publicity. I'm a longtime Dead Head and existence of tapes if anything encouraged me to buy the albums. I live in the UK so where it not for audience tapes I would have only heard the band live once a decade when they crossed the pond.
Agree 🌸
Concerning Dylan bootlegs, have you ever read the 1980 book "Bob Dylan, His Unreleased Recordings" by Paul Cable?
With regard to classical music performance bootlegs, you may wish to see the 1981 French movie "Diva".
I have seen Diva several times. Love it. Haven’t seen that Dylan book ✌🏽
@@mazzysmusic Concerning "Don't Look Back", several years after it came out (but in the pre-video days), I came across what looked like a non-commercial lp which included selections from that movie. Is that lp considered bootleg?
In 68/69 a LAW was PASSED that superseded the ALLOWING of anyone to make Copies of the recordings as long as THE ARTIST were Paid its Contractual Fees... MUNTZ (4-Track Tapes) did exactly that & that is how we ended up with TWO NEW ITEMS. (1.) 8-Track Tapes owned by the Recording Industry. (2.) A Federal Law that INCLUDED the RIGHTS of Manufacturers to Criminalize all Recordings held under the Contract of the Artist's Work.
>>>> this is essentially made the RECORD Company owner of the Copyright. The Record Companies used 'CopyRight' to include them and protect their investments.
Yeah
buy = support
I try not to swear because after a while the swear words lose their power to shock.
hell i'ld buy some of your boots mazzi, i don't sell my vinyl, i listen to and love my records as my music is my solace! and all my boots are my special records which i truly believe are of historical significance and are a register of the awesome fuckin' music, but that's just me, i can't speak nor would i of others habits.
my favorite bootleg i had was the movie version of pink floyd's the wall
Always thought that the Rolling Stones bootleg Liver Than You’ll Ever Be, was there best live album they ever did! You never mentioned The Grateful Dead, it was like an industry with fans recording the live concerts, I think at first the Dead try to stop it, but fortunately in the end they realised all it did was increase the interest in the music and now there’s even Apps that you can download and hear 100’s of shows👍
Liver only seemed great in its time-by today's sonic standards it's weak
@@lamper2 Agree, but what live Stones album would you recommend that captures a great performance by them. I still think the Liver bootleg is better than Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out imo
The Stones boot, "The Brussels Affair" is fantastic....there is now a legal release of it with the one box set.
Totally agree...it makes Clapton look small and frankly it tarnishes my view of him....as you said....offering the lady an autographed copy of the Layla album or something could have diffused the whole situation.....Clapton has also been getting weird over masks and lockdowns.....while other artists ( Neil Young) have explained they are canceling shows to protect not only his band but....his fans... showing some love beats being a dick anyday......thanks for another great video!
The Beatles Alpha Omega series are technically Pirates. I like taking the bootlegs and Legal issues and putting them in order of recording date. I don't like CDR's, but I put them on cassette tape. I would prefer reel-to-reel, but I lack the space for it. I Have a television set that would take up the room where I would put a reel-to-reel at. But it's far better to listen to the music in the same order that the recording artist recorded them. Thanks for the plug of that book, I will look for that.
Love the music, revile the artist(s)! You know who you are ...
That official basement tapes lo had re-recorded songs
Norman Maslov, on a cold and dreary November night in 1970 in Daly City, CA, after a muddy, muddy high school soccer game screamed out in the locker room, “Larry, I just bought the greatest rock opera album! You aren’t Jewish - you have to buy it! Jesus Christ Superstar!” Norman always got the best albums. He was no wanker
Larry deGhetaldi
Probably lawyers at his record company prompted the suit.
Totally agree with you Maz. Pirate recordings are wrong and will always be wrong. Bootlegs do not take royalties from artists because the music on bootlegs was never going to be released anyway. If the artists and labels released their music in the first place there would be no bootleg market. Everyone is entitled to their opinion unless of course they live in a Stalinist communist country where only the leaders opinion is allowed. ..............Enjoy the music. Have a great Christmas and New year from Miss Rotty and me.................
Perhaps there is a good reason why artists don’t release work. Fans are not the arbitrators of an artist’s work.
@@donna25871 One thing to remember: If the artists don't respect what their fans want, the artists won't have any fans. If the artists have no fans, they have no income. If the artists don't want bootlegs then they should release official versions of these recordings. The fans are the artists lifeblood.........
Springsteen did indeed sue a woman a/k/a Vicky Vinyl. dragged her into court and got a judgement against her. She was pressing up Bruce LP box sets from FM broadcasts. But the Stones were the main artist on her imprint.
That’s right. Big difference than selling one CD you owned for twenty plus years imho
You didn't mention FZ , Beat the Boots. Zappa had to release music to purely fund the next one, so he ended up on a musical treadmill. WDYT?
I saw that Neil Young video,It made me not like him as a person,he treated that poor guy behind the counter terribly. I still love Neil's music,just not him.
I watched your Clapton "rant" and read the WAPO article you posted as well. Obviously I felt it was more than about the woman being sued for trying to sell a Clapton bootleg.
Howeverrrrr, on the topic of bootlegs, I am surprised you didn't hold up a Grateful Dead bootleg in this video. You've mentioned seeing the Grateful Dead a lot, if I remember correctly. Ever since The Grateful Dead began there were tapers as well as soundboard tapes going around to traders. Then later on The Dead sold taper section tickets to tapers and digital tapes were rated, like A+ to C+ or whatever. I miss those days and days between. I think soundboard recordings of The Grateful Dead are now pretty much taken off bootleg sites and are being mixed by Dave Lemieux for Dave's Picks - and put out by Rhino. It started with Dick's Pick's, Road Trips, Dozing at The Knick (That's where I'm from - Albany, NY - actually Troy) and other excellent live releases and not too expensive. Anyway - that's all I'm guessing about The Grateful Dead bootlegs.
Thanks Mazzy for showing grate stuff from your personal Wall of Sound!!!!!
Like Most Record Collectors i do have Many Bootleg Lps .....Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones and Neil Young Among Them ..Most Of Them I Bought From a Little Lock-up Store In Vernons Yard Paddington London, Called Virgin, owned By a Bloke named Richard Branson, Who In fact Served Me On a few Occasions, I must admit when years Later When He argued On Television that People Copying Music on Computers Was Wrong, I thought You Ain't Got No Complaint mate...Another great Video...Thanks For letting us Know About The Bootleg Book.
I’ve heard about his stall before. Thank you for the reminder ✌🏽
Lve Concert Bootlegs are fine. Counterfeit releases not. Hmmm.. I have four bootlegs. Three are comps hard to find/expensive original punk 7"s from 70s/80s and 7' unauthorized pressing of 60s single...
We traded Grateful Dead bootleg cassettes for YEARS....then we traded mp3s, now you pay for them on Wolfgangs. Not a win for anyone but Graham's estate in my opinion.
I liked your infectious passion in the Clapton video. This video is important in putting it into context and I agree completely with you regarding the fundamental difference between bootlegs and counterfeits. Bravo.
Me: 1982 after just turning 18 southern calif Goldmine ad in the back no bigger than the size of your pinky finger stating Audio/video tapes for sale or trade Beatles, Sabbath, Floyd etc send SASE for list 'steve martin' in Idaho Falls requests Beatles list I mail it off couple weeks later I get a second letter with a $41 postal money order inside requesting one Beatles audio tape and one Beatles video tape covering postage too...I mail it off...couple weeks later knock on my parents front door ( remember I'm only 18 so I still live at home) oh hey it's Steve Martin he's working at the local Northern Air Force Base and he noticed how the ZIP code was the same as mine so he looked me up and voila here he is at my front door oh come on in Steve into my bedroom here yeah wow and what timing as I just received some new Beatles tapes sure I can make copies of that for you have to give you directions to a nearby retail store to buy some blanks tapes cuz I don't have any right now and yeah when you return with the blanks you can pay me or you can pay tomorrow morning when you come pick them up they don't matter to me and since I don't have to spend any money on postage I can sell them to you for cheaper than I did before so Steve Martin goes and get some blanks comes back give me the tapes and the money and I tell him that I'll probably be sleeping in the morning and that my brother will be awake and he will answer the door and give you the tapes and so he pays me some money and I need to take that night because he's going back to Idaho in a couple days and he wants to get this done before he leaves and I'm 18 and very naive and he looks quite older than me but then again a lot of older people like the Beatles and Pink Floyd and I am young because my brothers like those bands and turn me on to them when I was little anyway I remember hearing the doorbell ring the next morning and I just rolled back over and went to sleep and later that afternoon there's a knock on my door I clearly remember eating a bowl of fruit loops and watching gomer Pyle when the knock came) and it's not anybody I know as a matter of fact it's 2 FBI agents with a search warrant and two local policemen and a little bit later another knock comes but the person knocking just lets themself in " oh can't you see I'm busy Steve" come on in John another voice says...then I realize what's really going on and well fuck you to Mr undercover asshole.....destroyed my room took every record and tape I owned ALL of them while only maybe 3-5% were on my list and bootleg they didn't differentiate they took them all and ALL my stereo equipment too took me to jail FBI mind you, and the end result was misdemeanor convictions 2 days in jail $750 fine and i lost all my collection ALL of it every album I bought legitimately and wasn't on my list, Sgt Pepper's, Sab Bloody Sab, wish u were here, I had every studio album which I wasn't selling copies of on tape from every band I liked taken from me and I bought hundreds of blank audio tapes which I taped the studio albums onto that I bought so I can listen to them in my car and they took all those too even though they weren't bootlegs and I wasn't selling them and I had just bought some marijuana so they must have thought oh gold mine no pun intended but not only do we have illegal reproduction of sound devices or whatever the hell it was worded on the penal code that I broke but we got marijuana too and then all the letters that I got from people asking for a list of mine all and that I've done business with they took all their addresses and names with them cuz they took all that paperwork I had and they took a book on bootlegs because inside the book it said something about them being illegal or blah blah blah and they wanted to prove that I knew what I was doing when I sold the illegal contraband mind you the illegal contraband was one video tape and one audio tape of The Beatles $41 in total and then two or three videotapes later when he knocked on my door so why they needed to do that when they already had me mailing off did you take the Idaho falls and catching the postal money order for $41 right then and there they had me guilty why did they need to knock on my door and do all that other bullshit I guess cuz they wanted my collection and they thought I was some kind of Big Time bootlegger. When the court case was adjudicated and I went to at least get back my stereo equipment there was no tuner and the needle assembly, or arm, on my turntable was missing. That was my early experience with bootlegs and Steve Martin from Idaho falls Idaho!
OY. I’ve heard stories similar to that many years ago. Intense ✨
@@mazzysmusic good morning to you....I was curious to know, and I'm a child of the 70s so I know a bit or two about bootleg records, but how come, for instance, when speaking of live recordings during the same time period, let's say 1973 to 1977, a POOR sounding live pink Floyd boot would be an anomaly while a POOR sounding Sabbath boot would be the norm! How did Floyd come to have so many of their boots sounding like Boston '75 or Oakland '77 while so many Sabbath ones sounded like Love in Chicago from 1974?
Hi, I had a few bootlegs in the seventis. At that time, most of the recordings had a very bad quality. So I stopped buying them.
I've got a pretty nice Stones bootleg. American Tour 81. And I got GWW. I'd rather just buy official product. Lots of it.
Um...if you want to plop the records down, it is your right. YOU bought them!! You own them. You can do as you wish!! Who are these, to use your word, wankers??
Someone should print a bootleg version of A Pig's Tale.
That would be a counterfeit, not a bootleg.
Excellent video Mazzy thank you. Clapton was already tarnished. Cheers my friend.
Norm didn’t mind either videos probably because I understand it was your opinion. Hey on a side note I found a unique album the other day. A San Francisco band from the late 60s. Frumious Bandersnatch, figured you would know who they were.
Great video Mazzy. But I did love that rant.
Good job, Mazzy. The philosophy behind the rant is supported by good arguments. I don't see it as a defense, as I had not yet watched the 'When did Clapton become a wanker' video. This video provides good pro and con arguments regarding bootleg, archival editions, counterfeits, etc. Thanks.
I just bought two great Hendrix bootlegs and you know where. Not like he’s hiding it lol
Where in Seattle?
I don't think you have anything to apologise for in your 'rant'' Norman, It was great to see a bit of passion about something you feel strongly about, agreed with everything you said, well done, subscribed!
Uhhhhh, Bruce Springsteen did indeed sue bootleggers. He snubbed his nose at bootleggers and when the Roxy show was broadcasted on LA radio, he said something to the affect "bootleggers roll your tapes". Please do more research, there are boots, pirate copies and counterfeits.
We still love you Norm, glad you sobered up for this particular video.
Cool it, pops.
Repetitious much?? 😆
@@MJEvermore853 You’re impotent.
I totally agree with all you said about Clapton.
Ditto. 👍
In fact, Amazing Cornyphone, Rubber Dubber (he took over the label from the original guys) and tmoq, it was all the same guy. And then he became Toasted. If this book, Pig's Tale, doesn't say that, then they don't know much. And then this main guy who was behind it all quit, traveled around the world and became a photographer, while the guy that designed the inserts for Cornyphone tried to sell limited edition lithographs of his original artwork online.
I believe Scott the Rubber Dubber ran his own label pressing up his own tapes, unrelated to the other bootleggers although they all burned his product.
I have a couple of Clapton bootlegs. ‘Club Full of Blues’ (audio) and ‘Nothing But The Blues’ (DVD). Both are from his ‘From The Cradle’ period and are excellent. But yeah, he’s being a jerk about bootlegs and the pandemic 😷
I think your rants are some of the best videos. The 'Prog Rock Records...' rant is hilarious.
I think ranting can be very cathartic.
... long may you run
My experience with those who buy bootlegs [me and others], is that we are completists and are starved for more content, especially live shows. I suspect that the sales of bootlegs are way down given the trend in the industry [as you noted] for artists to release "vault" items. Zappa did this years ago with the 'Beat he Boots' thing he released.
cheers!
No, I don’t think you do 😆
thanks for all the content 2021 it has helped me get through these crazy times ...have a great christmas and happy new year ..ps philip larkin says fuck in his poetry its part of the english language jeez its universal pps ..do you have a copy of Hot Wacks by Kurt Glemser he has done a couple of bootleg discographies
She'll no doubt get 50 grand on a go fund me if she's smart
Well done! Eric C ain't no Gawd! Boring dull music!
I enjoy your content. Keep up the good work.
The 🤴? Never! 🤣
Mazzy, I wish everyone was as wise about intellectual property as you seem to be. I don't do bootlegs, but I've been collecting for most of my nearly 60 years on earth. Bootlegs are NOT about piracy - they're about the FANS, wanting to share what they experienced with a performance or an unreleased gem with others. That's really all it is. And sure, some people make a little money on the side and when done properly, as you said, it results in pushing the artist to do some of that bootleg releasing themselves. That's a good thing, isn't it? But I'm sure your opinions won't be popular with the major labels, however...heh heh....
Great video. I totally agree.
Meanwhile, Neil Young isn't joking around. He isn't playing shows until the Pandemic is over. He's a real hero. Clapton and Van Morrison are clowns.
As for the book, just by reading the blurbs and the names mentioned in it, I have serious doubts about the authenticity. There was no Pigman, that I know. They want $50 for the book. I am not sure I should oblige.
so you basically respond to yourself???.
I almost BOUGHT a PRESSING Plant next town over from me.
... I lived right next to Mexico and I can easily see how I might have bootleg vinyl and let 'cartel' distribute them into Mexico. Of course when you deal with 'Criminals' there is a tendency to cross over lines you didn't think you would once the FEVER is in you! - m.
BULLSHIT STORY
completely agree. way to not flinch with the minority mob.
This is between Norman and myself, don’t get involved. Norm needs to cool it.
Cool it, pops.