Me three 😅. I used to hate on them back in the day even tho I knew the function of it was badass. My dad loved them when he first saw them right away. ....im becoming my father 😅😅. I need to enter the G line(insert joke here)
I just wish they had made the tires fatter on the original 16" brompton... give me a slightly wider triangle brake calipers to accept a wider wheelset and lets run with it!
Yes there are a nice new bigger version , normal Brompton a little bit small for me and tiny wheels unstable on anything except tarmac , this is a touring model if your up for it ? I would go anywhere on it not just to work on the subway , Brompton will clean up now with 2 models , one a general work bike and storage under the table at work , one for the weekend touring !
I like it. It may not be quite as convenient as the regular Brompton for travelling/commuting, but it still folds up nice, it's more versatile and there are soooo many more wheel/tires combos available for 20" compared to 16". I want one
Thanks for the info Russ! It's interesting that Brompton have brought this out, especially given the independent solutions for larger wheels, etc. Definitely really keen to see you review this properly, especially given your experience with the OG version. Cheers, Paul
Niche products like this are cool as hell man. I dont need one but surely there are some people that were on the fence about buying a brompton are now over it!
@@ronchech3919nah, apparently they’ll be back to some 24” wheel dirt jumper and 26” XC Brompton😂 first. Apparently a full suspension Brompton is in the line too.😊
It has 135 mm spacing. If someone could manufacture and aftermarket derailleur hanger a Microshift rd- m6195s super short derailleur with 11-38 cassette would fit. I read someone say they reinvented the Raleigh Twenty. It is a reasonable statement. There was a movement in the 1960’s called booty bike that preceded Brompton where suburban people put their bike in the boot of a car and drove to light traffic recreational areas. Brompton seem to be reviving that tradition with this bike. I think the demand to make it lighter will increase, along with the price. I might buy a second hand one in 15 years as a hobby bike. Although even a 15 year old model will be too expensive.
It looks like the derailleur hanger/dropout is replaceable. Will be interesting to see if they end up offering that or if someone will make an aftermarket one.
If somebody offered titanium bars and seat post, narrow wide crankset, advent drive train and mechanism for taking up chain slack when folded then it definitely becomes a bike to ride green flow trails. Brompton should send one to Seth with that goal in mind. He has also been promoting Brompton recently.
From what I understand, the different sizes still use the same size frame, but the larger sizes come with a longer seatpost and a stem with more reach, which means you could potentailly mix/match if you've got praticularly long/short arms or legs! Also using standard hubs now is huge! Wonder how long it'll take for someone to build one up with a Rohloff 14 speed hub 😄
Hmmm. Ive never thought i could ide one but since watching PLL for a few years the idea is starting to make sense. A folded up b8ke just sliding in the back of my Outback. No bike racks hanging off the car. Ready for urban or camp ground rides. Thanks for expanding my thoughts away from 1970s racing bikes.
Worth noting that Alfine 8/11 share the same lowest range gear. The 11 adds to the top end speed with two extra gears beyond the 8, and one more within the 8’s other range.
Simply change down the chainring with the 11 and you have a much more useful range for hills or loads. Even dual chainings are available if you need low and high.
@@SimonBrowneNZ Well, yeah? If you change down the chainring on the 8, you get the same exact lowest gear again too. My point was in response to the video mentioning asking for the 11 if you want a lower range, which is factually untrue as it’s the same low gear.
@@theGEOcycle With the 11 speeds and a smaller chainring you get lower gears without sacrificing top speed. The new gears being lower or higher compared to the 8 speeds is besides the point he was trying to make, it's just a wider range in the end.
@@MadMaxGyver No, I get ya. Changing gears tends to have that sort of effect on gearing. The 11spd Alfine has the wider range for sure, no misunderstanding there. What was stated, though, was that if you want lower gearing ask Brompton for the 11spd option. My point remains that this is not going to matter though, since the ranges both start from the same lowest gearing level. You only gain top-end range with the 11. If you keep the 8spd gearing stock, and you change the 11spd gearing to shift the range … well yeah, that works. Not necessarily comparing apples to apples though, and doesn’t address the misinformation stated originally.
I’ve had a 16” Brompton in the back of my van for a while now. So much more convenient and secure than carrying a full size bike, which encourages me to take it out to ride more often. The G Line will be the perfect medium of practical convenience and capability for me. Might even replace my full suspension mountain bike as I’ve found myself not even coming close to needing the off road capability of a trail bike.
I have some regular Bromptons but when I go into the forest I use my Rotwild. I guess this Brompton is for people who want to to rely on only one bike and for them it seems to be a good choice.
Absolute brilliant, about time they made a bike better suited to the Gravel Roads of New Zealand. Now I have to decide between a G-Line and a Kyoot 20” bikes for my Offroad Camper. 🤔
Thanks Russ, this was a very welcome review. Most of the reviews I have seen haven’t compared too much from a brompton owners perspective. I have wider handlebars on mine too - just so much better
Yeah having been trying to sort out my kids bike with tyres 18” sucks. 20” you have a lot of options and in terms of quality tyres they are thin on the ground for 18s.
Conceptually really close to Dahon bikes of the past although the P8 went a step further with full suspension. Alex Moulton will laughing from the pearly gates, he was making fat wheeled 20" bikes (with suspension) back in the 1980s. I own a Dahon Dash P18 20" with normal derrailleur and cassette at the back. Love it although the small wheels have caused me to slide out of control on slippery roads more than any other bike!
Now that Schwalbe makes 20” g-ones, just put a pair of those on a Tern/Dahon which will be lighter, cheaper and faster. I have a 6-speed, 16” Brompton, which I love for its small fold for multi modal travelling ….it’s also actually okay on smoothish gravel, tow paths and back roads!! I’m not sure why Brompton have done this..
I own the Tern Link D7i with 20' (7 shift internal gear) and it also feels much more stable than my 16' Brompton . The tern also handles gravel roads much much better. It is also much cheaper and has simila specs albeit it's not as fancy as a Brompton. I'd rather be interested in the electric Version. Unfortunately a big let down is, that the front carrier for Electric is a different one and you probably can't reuse the existing bags :-( ... And there's also a big design flaw for the rear carrier: From the photos I saw, the rear carrier is way too short to be able to carry regular rear bags ("heel strike" incoming), the Tern also does the job in this category. And for the Bio Bike version Brompton doesnt offer a hub dynamo for light (yet). Whenever I should opt to consider the electric version, with the Ahooga Max there's already a strong competitor on the market ... For my short distance commute ride, nothing beats the 16' Bio Brommie ...
This is for city folk to throw in the boot of their Volvo for a weekend in the country, riding rail trails and going to farmers markets. I predict they sell boatloads.
I've admired Brompton for some time now for their design, quality and most of all, lightweight and small folded size. This is a nice bike, no doubt. But, I already have a Citizen folding bike with 7 speeds (not IGH) with 20" wheels and so this bike looks to me to be a very nice upgrade of the same thing serving a similar purpose. Where I live the off-road is steep, rough and rocky or sandy and I have a MTB for that. Hence, for me the hummingbird weight Bromptons are something I'd rather like to have.
I think the only good thing about this brompton is the folding, it is heavy to carry around if you want a 20 inch bike get a bike friday with normal component much cheaper and many options
Earlier in the year I got a 16" Mint (Brompton clone) with disc brakes, but looking at the 20" G line makes me more confident I made the right decision. I mean, this setup seems to cater to those campers/glampers that may need a foldable bike for unpaved roads and light offroad riding. I'd rather take a 16" for use in urban environments. Thanks for the initial impressions!
Having had a Brompton for me and Terns for my kids, really glad to see Brompton get in the 20" wheel game. I lived in Paris, France and the Brompton was favorable to the Tern. Here in the US, the larger wheels on the Tern made them more versatile. But the Terns are not Brompton's, the Brompton is so much more. Agree with @TheYohtube - could go around the world.
Waiting for a Titanium or Carbon version, but one day it will be mine, oh yes. For my Euro motorhome (replacing a full size gravel bike) and my Canadian car (avoiding need for roof racks on jaunts).
Aside from the improved comfort of 20" wheels (which might sway some), this bike doesn't make sense to me. Its bulk and weight undercut the appeal of a Brompton - light and portable, and the disc brakes + Alfine hub should have been on their other bikes years ago. For a Disc/Alfine conversion that costs about as much as a G Line, look up the Kinetics mod shop online.
Ì have a regular brompton that I fold into a shopping cart so I can shop with it. It's pretty flimsy, however unless I get bike jacked I don't have to worry about it riding off on its own. This one looks a lot sturdier. The money I don't waste on cigarettes will easily pay for this😊
I found the 16" wheels always too small (pot holes, gravelroads..) and combined with a non standard gear system and sub-par brakes, it has never been what I liked. So I got a 20" eight Speed Dahon that is light, fast and offers a stable ride. But this G Line is really tempting. Need to test ride it 😊 (The main disadvantage of the Dahon is its packing space)
Interesting bike, and might be just the ticket for some. As a owner of a Tern 20” folder a few things stand out about it. Higher quality components, disc brakes, folds up a bit smaller, a bit heavier, also to work on and to change the rear tire is probably going to be more time consuming. Finally it looks like you are going to shell a minimum of three times the cost.
I think they missed a trick by not offering a Rohloff hub and/or a Pinion gearbox. They’re both better with greater gear inch ranges. The Alfine 11 isn’t reliable enough, hence the 8. They could’ve even fitted the Sturmey-Archer 8, but no. Also, disk brakes are still close to the ground and vulnerable, surely V-brakes would’ve been a better compromise?
Was pretty certain on the G-Line but when you talked about it not being ideal to transport with on trains etc, makes me alot more hesitant. First time brompton customer
From quite a whiile of commuting, my two cents are that the only folders you can put overhead in a train are the good old DAHONS, because they have a stem-handlebar that folds INSIDE the folded bike like a sandwich. Something you could still fit on pretty much any other standard folding bike. And that's one more weakness in the Bromptons - precisely their only real boast, the folding size. I've done countless commutes by train with my old Dawes Jack 2010 (it was the Dahon manufacturer for Europe) and flipping it overhead knowing for a fact i wouldnt squeeze any fragile bit, levers, derailleur, etc., WAS the greatest help. Pity it isnt so even on this new near 3000 euro bike.
Fair enough! But of course Brompton bikes were originally intended for urban environments not grassy spaces and dirt as you know. So not sure where this new model fits in. For city riding I would stay with the standard Brompton. There are plenty of other bikes for gravel and dirt surfaces but they don’t fold. So if you want a bike that folds and is mediocre at everything then maybe this is the bike for you. Bottom line is we are moving toward a world in which we’ll need a speciality bike for every situation-one for the bus, train, plane, subway, car, SUV, you name it!
If it was a bit lighter this would the perfect back packing style bike for those national park sections where bikes aren’t allowed. Really cool. Wonder if it will be available in carbon or aluminum.
The reason this bike was developed was because Brompton realised people were using them to aride around the world on. They are being used for ultra distance rides like the Transcontinental Race. I have ridden my 16 inch Brompton across Bulgaria on farm and forest tracks. The G1 is aimed at those who want to a bit more adventurous in their riding. But still have a compact bike. I think this could outsell the 16 inch bikes. But is now getting into Tern, Bike Friday and Dahon territory. Bromptons are much more expensive though.
I’ve looked at one of these and can’t make my mind up, so I need help. We travel a lot by van, but we also fly to different destinations, would a g line be too big? We almost bought a p line and a t line last month, but thought we would hold out for a new Ltd edition, but wasn’t expecting the g line. We currently have many bikes, but no folding bikes yet!
I like the concept of a stabler and more supple Brompton for weekend recreation or touring. I just don't think the high cost, heavy weight, and narrow gear range are optimal for that kind of riding. I currently schlep a Tern Exlipse X22 with 26 inch wheels onto transit for weekend adventures, and the G-Line would definitely be easier for that part of the journey. But I simply would not be able to get the new beefy Brompton up some of the hills I climb.
Very interesting. I have both an Alfine 11 Brompton and a 12 speed P line. I agree that the original bike will be better for community but this one will likely be better for touring. I think the question though is whether a non folding bike would be better but for getting into a car or RV this one is better. The 8 speed alfine is a good hub but the 11 speed is better. I change the oil yearly; has this one got an oil change port or is it sealed? Thanks again
The 16" wheels are what would have kept me from brompton if I were to buy a folding bicycle: I got bad cobblestone in the city and still got some time accompanying kids, meaning I need to drive up to the walkway. I can very much notice the struggle they have with the 16"/18" and how the 20" gives them the ability to drive up and down the walkway. Also they stormey archer hub sucks, I got one (on my 20" folder) and spare parts are insanely expensive due to brexit in continental europe. Would prefer a alfine 11 version as that one got the oiling port, meaning much easier maintenance.
Super interested in this for bike rafting (I’d strapped to the front of a Packraft for paddle+cycle adventures) What’s the deal with attaching racks or bags?
The Prime Purpose for a Brompton is "Transport as foldet"! If wanting "larger wheels" I would at - any time choose a folder like the US, former Army folding Bike: "Montague", which besides more gears and a ride as an Mtb, also uses full size 700C wheels! This is a: "We don't really know for what purpose" bike! 🤔 And it most likely won't fit in my moderate size cars trunk, which is mostly my use for a Folder? Finn. Denmark
Looks to me like a Brompton that can fit tires wide enough to be stable on gravel/packed-dirt trails. Opens up a fair number of short-cuts even in the city. Think they could have shrunk the fold a bit more though.
I have my Brompton because it folds up so small and it's so easy to carry. This model loses that benefit. But I think a whole lot of people are going to buy a whole lot of these! It's a different bike for a different market.
@james-p I would love if they would just make the original Brompton capable of accepting a slightly wider wheel set and keep everything else the same. Slightly fatter, lower pressure, 16 inch brompton would suit me perfectly esp with this broader range internal hub and get rid of the chain pusher and extra sprocket altogether (2021H6R here) 👌 👍
Just bought a c-line. How much bigger are the pedals on the g-line compared to the stock c-line pedals? The back of my foot keeps hitting the roller wheels in the back, so I’m wondering the bigger pedals would take care of that
You've mentioned several times that Brompton is hard to work with. You'd think they'd be overjoyed to have a channel with almost 200k subs help them get the word out.
For them it’s tiny I suppose. That one guy who had a triangle break couldn’t get a free replacement even though he probably sold bromptons by just using it on his channel.
I don't like the Alu forks, you'd have to soft pedal to change gears with the Alfine rear hub, which has reliability issues and needs perfect wire alignment, unlikely as they are persisting with the plastic rear derailleur, and with it's fairly basic disc brakes you should still be able to descend a Col, but at 36 pounds weight it would be hard to ascend one, hence the fittings to turn it into an expensive E bike. Not for me.
It has lower depreciation than an original Land Rover Defender. The purchase price is irrelevant as you are just the current custodian until somebody buys it from you for the price you originally paid for it.
The way those rear cables just hang down around and below the frame looks incredibly ugly, but some velcro I guess would do it as long as you loosen it when you fold the bike again.
the target buyer for this is probably those who wanted to buy a folding bike but can't get past the tiny child bike size wheels... me, im keeping my old single speed circus bike
@@etreniI think the aluminum are only 16” still as it’s the popular size. The 20” clones are definitely lighter than this by 3-4kg but that’s because they are using external gear set like sora.
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The folded size is bigger than the 16" Brompton, but it is still neater and more compact than most other 20" folding bikes.
..okay, now i think i‘m ready for a brompton…❤️🔥
me too .. am waiting for that 20" tire.
Me three 😅. I used to hate on them back in the day even tho I knew the function of it was badass. My dad loved them when he first saw them right away. ....im becoming my father 😅😅. I need to enter the G line(insert joke here)
I've always been.. my wallet not so much
I just wish they had made the tires fatter on the original 16" brompton... give me a slightly wider triangle brake calipers to accept a wider wheelset and lets run with it!
With the right bags you could go round the world on that superb machine, well done Brompton!
Yes there are a nice new bigger version , normal Brompton a little bit small for me and tiny wheels unstable on anything except tarmac , this is a touring model if your up for it ? I would go anywhere on it not just to work on the subway , Brompton will clean up now with 2 models , one a general work bike and storage under the table at work , one for the weekend touring !
Definitely need the rack with this one. It's more of a roll around than carry when folded.
I like it. It may not be quite as convenient as the regular Brompton for travelling/commuting, but it still folds up nice, it's more versatile and there are soooo many more wheel/tires combos available for 20" compared to 16". I want one
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Thanks for the info Russ!
It's interesting that Brompton have brought this out, especially given the independent solutions for larger wheels, etc. Definitely really keen to see you review this properly, especially given your experience with the OG version. Cheers, Paul
Niche products like this are cool as hell man. I dont need one but surely there are some people that were on the fence about buying a brompton are now over it!
Did a demo ride and bought one, very happy so far.
In the works, the Brompton F line! A folding fat bike with balloon tires.
😂 And 700c wheels!
Or M Line with a Mullet
@@ronchech3919nah, apparently they’ll be back to some 24” wheel dirt jumper and 26” XC Brompton😂 first.
Apparently a full suspension Brompton is in the line too.😊
No Brompton for me until they release the R-Line with aero disk wheels and Tri Bars
It has 135 mm spacing. If someone could manufacture and aftermarket derailleur hanger a Microshift rd- m6195s super short derailleur with 11-38 cassette would fit. I read someone say they reinvented the Raleigh Twenty. It is a reasonable statement. There was a movement in the 1960’s called booty bike that preceded Brompton where suburban people put their bike in the boot of a car and drove to light traffic recreational areas. Brompton seem to be reviving that tradition with this bike. I think the demand to make it lighter will increase, along with the price. I might buy a second hand one in 15 years as a hobby bike. Although even a 15 year old model will be too expensive.
It looks like the derailleur hanger/dropout is replaceable. Will be interesting to see if they end up offering that or if someone will make an aftermarket one.
If somebody offered titanium bars and seat post, narrow wide crankset, advent drive train and mechanism for taking up chain slack when folded then it definitely becomes a bike to ride green flow trails. Brompton should send one to Seth with that goal in mind. He has also been promoting Brompton recently.
From what I understand, the different sizes still use the same size frame, but the larger sizes come with a longer seatpost and a stem with more reach, which means you could potentailly mix/match if you've got praticularly long/short arms or legs! Also using standard hubs now is huge! Wonder how long it'll take for someone to build one up with a Rohloff 14 speed hub 😄
err, they've existed for years. google.
Hmmm. Ive never thought i could ide one but since watching PLL for a few years the idea is starting to make sense. A folded up b8ke just sliding in the back of my Outback. No bike racks hanging off the car. Ready for urban or camp ground rides. Thanks for expanding my thoughts away from 1970s racing bikes.
Worth noting that Alfine 8/11 share the same lowest range gear. The 11 adds to the top end speed with two extra gears beyond the 8, and one more within the 8’s other range.
Simply change down the chainring with the 11 and you have a much more useful range for hills or loads. Even dual chainings are available if you need low and high.
@@SimonBrowneNZ Well, yeah? If you change down the chainring on the 8, you get the same exact lowest gear again too. My point was in response to the video mentioning asking for the 11 if you want a lower range, which is factually untrue as it’s the same low gear.
@@theGEOcycle With the 11 speeds and a smaller chainring you get lower gears without sacrificing top speed. The new gears being lower or higher compared to the 8 speeds is besides the point he was trying to make, it's just a wider range in the end.
@@MadMaxGyver No, I get ya. Changing gears tends to have that sort of effect on gearing.
The 11spd Alfine has the wider range for sure, no misunderstanding there.
What was stated, though, was that if you want lower gearing ask Brompton for the 11spd option. My point remains that this is not going to matter though, since the ranges both start from the same lowest gearing level. You only gain top-end range with the 11.
If you keep the 8spd gearing stock, and you change the 11spd gearing to shift the range … well yeah, that works. Not necessarily comparing apples to apples though, and doesn’t address the misinformation stated originally.
@@theGEOcyclealso the second gear on the 11 is actually higher than on the 8.
I’ve had a 16” Brompton in the back of my van for a while now. So much more convenient and secure than carrying a full size bike, which encourages me to take it out to ride more often. The G Line will be the perfect medium of practical convenience and capability for me. Might even replace my full suspension mountain bike as I’ve found myself not even coming close to needing the off road capability of a trail bike.
I’d love to compare with my bike Friday all packa!
Impressed with this new G line. It's the only Brompton I would ever consider buying. If it didn't cost an arm and a leg that is... 😂
I've been looking forward to this as I'm 6ft2, not that tall but tall enough for the original to be slightly cramped. So this would be perfect
Looks like I finally found my Brompton!
I have some regular Bromptons but when I go into the forest I use my Rotwild. I guess this Brompton is for people who want to to rely on only one bike and for them it seems to be a good choice.
Nice! I wish it were cheaper but I’m interested.
Absolute brilliant, about time they made a bike better suited to the Gravel Roads of New Zealand.
Now I have to decide between a G-Line and a Kyoot 20” bikes for my Offroad Camper.
🤔
Thanks Russ, this was a very welcome review. Most of the reviews I have seen haven’t compared too much from a brompton owners perspective. I have wider handlebars on mine too - just so much better
Nice to see a manufacturer thinking about the preferences of their customers
Looks good and I’ll be in the market for one in the near future but would have liked 18” wheels.
20" 406mm gives much better tire selection. 18" is very limited.
Yeah having been trying to sort out my kids bike with tyres 18” sucks. 20” you have a lot of options and in terms of quality tyres they are thin on the ground for 18s.
Conceptually really close to Dahon bikes of the past although the P8 went a step further with full suspension. Alex Moulton will laughing from the pearly gates, he was making fat wheeled 20" bikes (with suspension) back in the 1980s.
I own a Dahon Dash P18 20" with normal derrailleur and cassette at the back. Love it although the small wheels have caused me to slide out of control on slippery roads more than any other bike!
Now that Schwalbe makes 20” g-ones, just put a pair of those on a Tern/Dahon which will be lighter, cheaper and faster. I have a 6-speed, 16” Brompton, which I love for its small fold for multi modal travelling ….it’s also actually okay on smoothish gravel, tow paths and back roads!! I’m not sure why Brompton have done this..
I own the Tern Link D7i with 20' (7 shift internal gear) and it also feels much more stable than my 16' Brompton . The tern also handles gravel roads much much better. It is also much cheaper and has simila specs albeit it's not as fancy as a Brompton. I'd rather be interested in the electric Version. Unfortunately a big let down is, that the front carrier for Electric is a different one and you probably can't reuse the existing bags :-( ... And there's also a big design flaw for the rear carrier: From the photos I saw, the rear carrier is way too short to be able to carry regular rear bags ("heel strike" incoming), the Tern also does the job in this category. And for the Bio Bike version Brompton doesnt offer a hub dynamo for light (yet).
Whenever I should opt to consider the electric version, with the Ahooga Max there's already a strong competitor on the market ...
For my short distance commute ride, nothing beats the 16' Bio Brommie ...
This bike is way cool but there are other folders that make better sense for plane travel which is why I’m interested in this style of bike
This is for city folk to throw in the boot of their Volvo for a weekend in the country, riding rail trails and going to farmers markets. I predict they sell boatloads.
As a city dweller with a Volvo I deeply want one, but I can't reconcile the cost!
As a city dweller, sell the Volvo and get the E Brompton!
why not ride it in the city?
Aren’t all Bromptons for city folk?
@PhilKulak yeah, but the small Bromptons are for city folks without a Volvo.
This thing is definitely on my 2025 shop list.
I've admired Brompton for some time now for their design, quality and most of all, lightweight and small folded size. This is a nice bike, no doubt. But, I already have a Citizen folding bike with 7 speeds (not IGH) with 20" wheels and so this bike looks to me to be a very nice upgrade of the same thing serving a similar purpose. Where I live the off-road is steep, rough and rocky or sandy and I have a MTB for that. Hence, for me the hummingbird weight Bromptons are something I'd rather like to have.
Looks amazing... very tempted.
I think the only good thing about this brompton is the folding, it is heavy to carry around if you want a 20 inch bike get a bike friday with normal component much cheaper and many options
I’m not sure a Bike Friday is a lot cheaper
Earlier in the year I got a 16" Mint (Brompton clone) with disc brakes, but looking at the 20" G line makes me more confident I made the right decision. I mean, this setup seems to cater to those campers/glampers that may need a foldable bike for unpaved roads and light offroad riding. I'd rather take a 16" for use in urban environments. Thanks for the initial impressions!
I am thinking about buying a mint 16. Have you had any issues?
@@ColmenI got the 14in mint Brompton clone. I don't like the seatpost, but that can be easily changed. I prefer 14in folders
Having had a Brompton for me and Terns for my kids, really glad to see Brompton get in the 20" wheel game. I lived in Paris, France and the Brompton was favorable to the Tern. Here in the US, the larger wheels on the Tern made them more versatile. But the Terns are not Brompton's, the Brompton is so much more. Agree with @TheYohtube - could go around the world.
To be fair, the old Bromptons also came in the same sizes done in a similar way, 3 different bar heights.
👏 It’s also the Brompton for people 6’ 3” and over.
Waiting for a Titanium or Carbon version, but one day it will be mine, oh yes. For my Euro motorhome (replacing a full size gravel bike) and my Canadian car (avoiding need for roof racks on jaunts).
Aside from the improved comfort of 20" wheels (which might sway some), this bike doesn't make sense to me. Its bulk and weight undercut the appeal of a Brompton - light and portable, and the disc brakes + Alfine hub should have been on their other bikes years ago. For a Disc/Alfine conversion that costs about as much as a G Line, look up the Kinetics mod shop online.
My Brompton is with Kinetics at the moment, waiting for an Alfine 11 and belt drive to be installed. Suits my needs better than the bulkier G line
Ì have a regular brompton that I fold into a shopping cart so I can shop with it. It's pretty flimsy, however unless I get bike jacked I don't have to worry about it riding off on its own. This one looks a lot sturdier. The money I don't waste on cigarettes will easily pay for this😊
I found the 16" wheels always too small (pot holes, gravelroads..) and combined with a non standard gear system and sub-par brakes, it has never been what I liked. So I got a 20" eight Speed Dahon that is light, fast and offers a stable ride. But this G Line is really tempting. Need to test ride it 😊
(The main disadvantage of the Dahon is its packing space)
I ride a Dahon mariner 8 it's been a ripper
Can’t wait
Interesting bike, and might be just the ticket for some. As a owner of a Tern 20” folder a few things stand out about it. Higher quality components, disc brakes, folds up a bit smaller, a bit heavier, also to work on and to change the rear tire is probably going to be more time consuming. Finally it looks like you are going to shell a minimum of three times the cost.
Bike Friday offers lighter models in cr-mo, with disc brakes, although the folded size is a bit larger than the G-line.
I think they missed a trick by not offering a Rohloff hub and/or a Pinion gearbox. They’re both better with greater gear inch ranges. The Alfine 11 isn’t reliable enough, hence the 8. They could’ve even fitted the Sturmey-Archer 8, but no. Also, disk brakes are still close to the ground and vulnerable, surely V-brakes would’ve been a better compromise?
Was pretty certain on the G-Line but when you talked about it not being ideal to transport with on trains etc, makes me alot more hesitant. First time brompton customer
Finally a Brompton I want to be seen on, those 16" wheels just look ridiculous (not talking about performance)
From quite a whiile of commuting, my two cents are that the only folders you can put overhead in a train are the good old DAHONS, because they have a stem-handlebar that folds INSIDE the folded bike like a sandwich.
Something you could still fit on pretty much any other standard folding bike.
And that's one more weakness in the Bromptons - precisely their only real boast, the folding size.
I've done countless commutes by train with my old Dawes Jack 2010 (it was the Dahon manufacturer for Europe) and flipping it overhead knowing for a fact i wouldnt squeeze any fragile bit, levers, derailleur, etc., WAS the greatest help.
Pity it isnt so even on this new near 3000 euro bike.
Can easily put the 16 inch Brompton overhead. We do that all the time going to Barcelona.
The issue for me with this bike is taking cafes, bars, restaurants, railways…..it’s not small like other B’s. That and the price 😳
Regular brompton kept trying to kill me, now I know I need to weight down the front
I modified a milk crate, works great!
Looks posh. Maybe it could use two coggs at the back. The only thing that worries me , for offroad, are those loose, low hanging cables
Fair enough! But of course Brompton bikes were originally intended for urban environments not grassy spaces and dirt as you know. So not sure where this new model fits in. For city riding I would stay with the standard Brompton. There are plenty of other bikes for gravel and dirt surfaces but they don’t fold. So if you want a bike that folds and is mediocre at everything then maybe this is the bike for you. Bottom line is we are moving toward a world in which we’ll need a speciality bike for every situation-one for the bus, train, plane, subway, car, SUV, you name it!
it almost looks like the rear triangle could be used on the 'regular' Brompton to add a disc brake and Alfine hub (with a 16" wheel, of course)
Russ, how does this shape up compared with the Birdy with its front suspension and monocoque frame?
Love it.
If it was a bit lighter this would the perfect back packing style bike for those national park sections where bikes aren’t allowed. Really cool. Wonder if it will be available in carbon or aluminum.
Ti version would be interesting.
@@PathLessPedaledTV even better.
If they made this first, Brompton wouldn't be the Brompton we know today.
its the one!
I like this as a Brompton owner but I am struggling to see if this performs that much better than a Tern which I would have thought is cheaper.
The reason this bike was developed was because Brompton realised people were using them to aride around the world on. They are being used for ultra distance rides like the Transcontinental Race. I have ridden my 16 inch Brompton across Bulgaria on farm and forest tracks. The G1 is aimed at those who want to a bit more adventurous in their riding. But still have a compact bike. I think this could outsell the 16 inch bikes. But is now getting into Tern, Bike Friday and Dahon territory. Bromptons are much more expensive though.
I think more because the competition has been doing it for awhile. Some people will just fold less and prefer 20”
My one kept wanting to wheelie from a standing start.
I’ve looked at one of these and can’t make my mind up, so I need help.
We travel a lot by van, but we also fly to different destinations, would a g line be too big? We almost bought a p line and a t line last month, but thought we would hold out for a new Ltd edition, but wasn’t expecting the g line. We currently have many bikes, but no folding bikes yet!
I like the concept of a stabler and more supple Brompton for weekend recreation or touring. I just don't think the high cost, heavy weight, and narrow gear range are optimal for that kind of riding. I currently schlep a Tern Exlipse X22 with 26 inch wheels onto transit for weekend adventures, and the G-Line would definitely be easier for that part of the journey. But I simply would not be able to get the new beefy Brompton up some of the hills I climb.
Very interesting. I have both an Alfine 11 Brompton and a 12 speed P line. I agree that the original bike will be better for community but this one will likely be better for touring. I think the question though is whether a non folding bike would be better but for getting into a car or RV this one is better. The 8 speed alfine is a good hub but the 11 speed is better. I change the oil yearly; has this one got an oil change port or is it sealed? Thanks again
The 16" wheels are what would have kept me from brompton if I were to buy a folding bicycle: I got bad cobblestone in the city and still got some time accompanying kids, meaning I need to drive up to the walkway. I can very much notice the struggle they have with the 16"/18" and how the 20" gives them the ability to drive up and down the walkway. Also they stormey archer hub sucks, I got one (on my 20" folder) and spare parts are insanely expensive due to brexit in continental europe. Would prefer a alfine 11 version as that one got the oiling port, meaning much easier maintenance.
Super interested in this for bike rafting (I’d strapped to the front of a Packraft for paddle+cycle adventures)
What’s the deal with attaching racks or bags?
Bring on the GTi version! :)
Man, I wish I saw this last month...
I'd still rather a Brompton from kinetics in Glasgow Scotland. Much better options and folds smaller than it
YUP ! !
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Hi 👋 what is the max rider weight for this one ?
The Prime Purpose for a Brompton is "Transport as foldet"! If wanting "larger wheels" I would at - any time choose a folder like the US, former Army folding Bike: "Montague", which besides more gears and a ride as an Mtb, also uses full size 700C wheels!
This is a: "We don't really know for what purpose" bike! 🤔
And it most likely won't fit in my moderate size cars trunk, which is mostly my use for a Folder? Finn. Denmark
Looks to me like a Brompton that can fit tires wide enough to be stable on gravel/packed-dirt trails. Opens up a fair number of short-cuts even in the city. Think they could have shrunk the fold a bit more though.
and then customize it with upgraded hubs for even more feel like a road or mountain bike (with that hub noise lol)
Does G stand for Great? Or Gravel?
I’d never buy a 16 inch bike but would consider a 20.
I have my Brompton because it folds up so small and it's so easy to carry. This model loses that benefit. But I think a whole lot of people are going to buy a whole lot of these! It's a different bike for a different market.
@james-p I would love if they would just make the original Brompton capable of accepting a slightly wider wheel set and keep everything else the same. Slightly fatter, lower pressure, 16 inch brompton would suit me perfectly esp with this broader range internal hub and get rid of the chain pusher and extra sprocket altogether (2021H6R here) 👌 👍
@@NoZenith That would be nice!
Russ has gcn money now
Ha. You have no idea how hard it was to get a hold of one for 30mins.
@@PathLessPedaledTVWe appreciate the effort.
I like this one more than p-line. I only wish Brompton will make it easier to remove the rear wheel.
Just bought a c-line. How much bigger are the pedals on the g-line compared to the stock c-line pedals? The back of my foot keeps hitting the roller wheels in the back, so I’m wondering the bigger pedals would take care of that
A birdy may be a better buy or any of the clones of 20” would be the same and throw some billy bonkers on them
You've mentioned several times that Brompton is hard to work with. You'd think they'd be overjoyed to have a channel with almost 200k subs help them get the word out.
Brampton really doesn’t have a demand issue
For them it’s tiny I suppose. That one guy who had a triangle break couldn’t get a free replacement even though he probably sold bromptons by just using it on his channel.
I'd be interested for a side by side comparison with the Vello Rocky or Gravel bikes... I think you've ridden those Russ.... thoughts?
Yeah, Vello Rocky will be a worthy comparison
I want to see it tested in hilly terrain similar to where I live. Luckily I can afford the electric version which is £1k more expensive.
I want the GT model... G Titanium. When's that model hitting the market?
I don't like the Alu forks, you'd have to soft pedal to change gears with the Alfine rear hub, which has reliability issues and needs perfect wire alignment, unlikely as they are persisting with the plastic rear derailleur, and with it's fairly basic disc brakes you should still be able to descend a Col, but at 36 pounds weight it would be hard to ascend one, hence the fittings to turn it into an expensive E bike. Not for me.
The Pline 12 speed is the best Brompton ever. This is to far the other way.
Consumers deserve options. Might as well be another Brompton variant than the competition.
The Clamps n Stem catch r T Line parts.
What's the price??? Yup, still a Brompton
£2,400 +
It has lower depreciation than an original Land Rover Defender. The purchase price is irrelevant as you are just the current custodian until somebody buys it from you for the price you originally paid for it.
Defeats the purpose
Now need to find a review from a person on the taller side of life. :-)
Tire clearance?
The way those rear cables just hang down around and below the frame looks incredibly ugly, but some velcro I guess would do it as long as you loosen it when you fold the bike again.
It's 20 inch wheels.. how much smaller can they make them compared to a 16 inch?
I'd love one but it's not really in my price bracket
the target buyer for this is probably those who wanted to buy a folding bike but can't get past the tiny child bike size wheels... me, im keeping my old single speed circus bike
Any ideas why they have gone for a chain drive rather than a belt, with the internal hub?
Probably because the belt would have to fold in the folded position.
Could you test it drafting in a group ride with cycling kit on please?
rus *is* wearing his cycling kit in the video 😘
I must have one but I don't have the money to buy one bruh.
That's what she said. (am I the first one to say that?)
i wondering where that 14kg weight came from. by eye it far more small than regular bike or any full size 29 mtb.
there's a clone version which is alum alloy and heck its even lighter and more affordable price than this brompton 20 inch.
@@etreniIs there a link available?
@@etreniI think the aluminum are only 16” still as it’s the popular size. The 20” clones are definitely lighter than this by 3-4kg but that’s because they are using external gear set like sora.
@@DV-hr5wd Try buying spare parts for a clone. And try selling a clone second-hand.