The Arsenal "Agenda" & Gary Settles The GOAT Debate | Q&A
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2024
- Is Messi still the best player in the world? Are referees being unfair to Arsenal? Who are Micah and Alan's favourite bands?
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Best podcast going. You 3 absolutely kill me. The chemistry is spot on.
Gary O'Neil made a point about the ref subconsciously favouring the big clubs over the small clubs.
If its the other way round its definitely disallowed for the offside. Only big clubs get that decision.
He was right. It’s not necessarily about the big decisions, but definitely in the accumulation of all the smaller decisions. Which fouls are called and which ones aren’t can really impact a game
@@T0FFII without any doubt that wasn't offside
@@T0FFII this is only the case if you don't understand the rules of the game
its the opposite wtf everyone roots for the underdog
We have heard retired referees talk about times they have intentionally bent the law to favour others, they are human. Lets not act like it is impossible for them to do it
“We’ll give it to you Micah cause you’ve never won a category” Too savage 😂😂😂
Micah thinking big words are 'grammar' so scary. Thank god he burst on the scene. Otherwise god only knows
There's no conspiracy against arsenal, but there's inconsistencies in how the rules are applied. Every team delays and waste time but only some get punished for it. And yes, big teams do get decisions at home. I just don't know why referees mostly come from the north and some of them support premier league teams. Let alone go to abu dubai and get paid by the owners of a premier league club for it. There's just no need for this
What teams do it and don't get punished for it then ?
The RULES are inconsistent but acting like the rules favour certain teams is just strange, Every single one of those 11 players are aware of the rules and in control of their own actions. Every single red given to Arsenal this year is 100% validated.
Weird how these inconsistencies never align against Man City though, and how they often aligned against Liverpool when they were City's biggest threat.
Long story short the reason most refs are from the north, particularly the north west because they respect the referee more in the lower leagues. If you played a grass roots game down south you'd see they've got idiots shouting in their face after every decision alongside a gang of lads on the sideline which they're also getting stick from. In the NW grass roots game, you'd see players still contesting the refs decision, but just not right in their face making threats.
This is a serious problem down south (particularly london) which is putting off people wanting to be a referee in there. Simple facts are, people from southern england are much ruder and less welcoming than northern people, which puts people wanting to officiate. FYI - i'm southern so this is no northern bias here.
@@user-zm9xf7mo4p There is an example of delaying the restart in EVERY game, we are going to be here all day if we go through what wasn't punished. Latest example was gravenberch escaping punishment for delaying caicedo from restarting, twice. Punish arsenal and punish the others. Or don't punish arsenal like the others don't get punished. You can't pick and choose and say you're consistent
@@Yunghamz But Reyes should've been sent off against Bournemouth and was given the benefit of the doubt, Acting like there's an agenda is hilarious along with the fact they are clearly one of the teams trying to make most of wasting time. Absolutely no team tries to waste time more than they do so it's honestly no surprise they are the team recieving the most cards for that.
After Pele died, I spent the evening watching footage of Pele on RUclips, I saw a lot of footage I hadn't seen before. From the footage I saw, Pele was the complete footballer. He was like the question earlier in the pod, you could have chosen Pele for any of the categories. For me, it's Pele or Messi.
When I was very little, just getting into football, I asked my Dad, who was at the World Cup Final in 1966, why people say Pele is the best footballer of all the time. And he said, "He could pass, shoot and head the ball better than anyone else ever has". Seemed pretty comprehensive to me. Seems weird to say someone as revered as Pele has been underrated, but I'm sure if his games were as easily accessible as Messi and CR7 we might well be arguing about who gets to be considered the second greatest after Pele...
*IF YOU'RE HAVING TO PICK APART THE MINUTIA OF DEFENDER POSITIONS AND BALL SWERVE, THEN IT WASN'T A CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERROR*
Do you smelelelelelll what the refs are cookin?
STOP SAYING REASONABLE THINGS YOU SOUND LIKE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST
What I learned definitively today: Gary can't pour a pint.
He can though. He's the only one who poured a proper pint like lager. With guiness tho you have to let it froth. you don't pint pour a guiness. He made the mistake of pouring it like a pint.
@@RyakkiBaka Exactly, that's actually almost a perfect lager and ale pour. It's just stouts and porters that you have to let froth
Rumor says that The best trio after NMS is AGM.💚
5:43 Alan was waiting for big Meeks to burst out
All joking aside, Micah would win a tournament amongst three team full of peak each individuals 11 A side.
Arsenal pushes the boundaries more than anyone else, they get got more than anyone else as a result
I love how Arsenal fans are willing to put blame on anything and anyone but not their own players who seem to make silly decisions knowing they keep getting punished for it. Making conspiracies to avoid reality
I'm an Arsenal fan, and I admit that I'm biased. However, I think everyone can agree that Rice's second yellow card was too harsh. He barely kicked the ball away, and Pedro did the same thing and kicked it like 30 yards or something. Trossard's second yellow - his reaction time was 0.8 seconds. He is a footballer, not a formula 1 driver - he jumped for the ball like the players around him did. And Saliba - Jarred Gillett is a Liverpool fan. Look it up - he is banned from Liverpool and Everton matches. Our next match is Liverpool ... one of our best defenders sent off - yes, it was a yellow card, but it was not a red. Gillett was the person who said it was a red - coincidence, I think not. Howard Webb was also said to have no communication in the VAR box, but he was texting on his phone. Who texts when watching a football match at the stadium? our argument is that there is inconstancies . Gary O'neil pointed this out in respect to wolves and the same happened to Wolves last year. we want consistency between decisions . Yes , we could have acted better but none of our red cards should have been red cards , saliba was a yellow in my opinion and many officials have said the same . The argument was subjective and officials shouldn't be able to give such serve punishments for a subjective action . To be honest , if this was your club you would have the same reaction as arsenal fans ; everyone would and you can say you wouldn't but be realistic you would . I understand all sides of the argument but as an arsenal fan our main argument is consistency.
Another great show guys 💪
A mount Rushmore type monument without the all-time leading goal scorer?!...... Shearer... Shearer.
Even Alan Shearer that moans about VAR getting over involved in the game says it’s okay when it’s this Arsenal issue. What is going on ???
You're crying, that's what's going on
@@madyYON everyone's afraid to be caught offside
I think regardless of how people read decisions by refs - the negative PR floating about the club and the fan's frustration is bound to sap the energy of the team eventually. They just need to grab the narrative back and outplay Liverpool at the weekend and it'll all be forgotten quite quickly and get the title challenge back on track.
Unlikely without Saliba, Odegaard and Saka. Arsenal’s first 11 is great but their proven depth is actually abysmal
Agree but if Arsenal can go and beat Liverpool with those players out the boost could seriously land them the title
if you want that, maybe Arteta should be less embarrassing. there's a reason people find it difficult to hate Pep
@@nameaccount8749 Pep has years of experience, I'm sure Arteta will learn from his own
Love Shearers passion for the Guinness pour! But actually think Micahs looked the best! When we all going for a pint 🤣🍻
Micah 😂😂 he’s proper got the giggles on today LOL😄
PS i had the exact same thought as Gary when Micah said “and i can’t play in net aswell” it took me straight back to the park👍 love it.
Left foot: Recoba
Right foot: Gerrard
Speed: Bale
Passing: Messi
Dribbling: Redondo
Skill: Maradona
Physicality: Pele (or Drogba in my lifetime)
Defending: Fabio Cannavaro
IQ: Lothar Matthaus
Recoba underrated for sure
was all the arsenal fans saying how unfair it was on Liverpool early last season when they were in simular situation with few red cards due to lack of discipline, doubt it but now it's their team the world is against them 😂
I remember them telling us to cry when odegaard started playing basketball at anfield karma for them lot 😂😂
There deffo is a conspiracy though. All people from north London were dropped on their head as babies
The messi meat riding is crazy. playing in MLS but still #1 in the world is a joke
the disrespect CR7 gets is unbelievable
Ronaldo did not win the Euro's with Portugal he did not score a goal in the knock phase and then got injured 10-15 mins into the final - some guy who I do not know won that game for Portugal.
Ronaldo has never scored a knock out goal in his whole career for Portugal which means he has never scored against the best of the best.
Its a Myth that people keep perpetuating but is not real, Did Pele win three world cups? No he did not he was in the team yes, but did not play a big part in two of those world cups and got a medal anyway.
How has he never scored a knockout goal?He scored in the semi final vs Wales
Pele scored in two finals, he was injured for most of 62.
Also just because ronaldo didn't score in certain games he still contributed to those games.
I'm not the worlds biggest ronaldo fan. But you sound like a messi fan boy!
The pele remark is completely false
3:10 they admit that refs change their opinion based on outside influence. But it's not the refs fault.
Come on guys.
They admit there will always be slight outside influence on any human in the high pressure situations they can be in. It’s accurate for ANY person. Referees are not robots.
@daviebananas1735 this is where we disagree.
Their job is required, 100%, to NOT be affected by outside influence. I understand most people would be, but I'm not trained to do the job.
I couldn't be police either.
@@TheCurrykiev they’re human. All humans suffer from unconscious bias, it’s not reasonable to expect refs to be superhuman. As long as they try their best to be impartial and make the correct decisions, that’s all they can do.
@@TheCurrykievThe other commenter is correct about bias. You're demanding the impossible here. Also, when you mentioned police, you ironically torpedoed your own point because they've been seen to harbour and act on bias frequently, and in every corner of the world too.
Left foot: Messi
Right foot: Beckham
Speed: Traore
Passing: Xavi
Dribbling: Iniesta
Physicality: Yaya Toure
Defending: Maldini
Football IQ: Busquets
It's mind-boggling R9 brazil's Ronaldo didn't make your list🤔
@@XQRobertzBarbecue: R9
@@vaazighe’s the best Ronaldo though so🤷
perfect, but R9 in his prime was a brute
All teams have rivals and if they aren’t a rival it’s because you have an issue with how the fans behave. Unfortunately for Arsenal their fans are absolutely the worst I’ve seen in 40 years. At least Man U fans were winning, Liverpool dominated the 80s, so if we’re honest we were jealous. But I just don’t understand the arrogance of Arsenal fans atm
3:10 they have referees in the premier league that also ref in Saudi Arabia. That’s why City have gained points on 4 matches already where they should have dropped.
Alan should be on the Mount Rushmore. Be serious.
It's been a year following you guys
LOve you 3 and being a Messi fan, I really enjoy this video very much 🤍💙
I'm more of a Messi fan but right foot and skills category I would have selected Cristiano
Ronaldinho skills, come on who else passes the ball with their back!
Left foot: Messi
Right foot: CR7
Speed: Bale
Passing: Scholes
Dribbling: Ronaldinho
Physicality: Traore
Defending: Maldini
Football IQ: Rodri
LOL
Left foot maradona
Right foot Pele
Speed usein bolt
Passing could be anyone
Dribbling maradona
Physicality Duncan Ferguson
Defending baresi
Iq could be anyone
You can pick a lot of players like that
@andrijastojcic5695 Dribbling! How could you not pick Messi! The amount of times he has dribbled through an entire team and scored is infinite!
@@tjk9263 maradona is better at dribbling than Messi, hatem Ben arfa is better at dribbling than Messi, so many players are better at dribbling than messi
if scholes wasnt ginger no one would even remember him
The big teams always get the decisions go their way. If that City winner was a Wolves winner you know for damn sure its disallowed.
11 micahs playing on the same team is literally the physical representation of the idiom 'the blind leading the blind'
Left Foot - Salah, right Foot - Beckham, Speed - Bale, Passing - Xabi Alonso, Dribbling - C. Ronaldo, Skill - Ronaldinho, Physicality - Diego Costa, Defending - Van Dijk, Football IQ - Messi
Enjoyed this one
After Micah tried to tell us city’s goal was offside I don’t even know why I’m listening man
I think it’s a good goal, but it’s certainly not cut and dry. He clearly influenced the keeper just before the header, and he’s still offside when the ball is headed. Not enough for me to be offside, but it’s clearly not objective.
Exactly. And Micah is supposed to be City's ambassador🙄 No one was complaining when Arsenal scored a goal like that against City last month. I'm fed up with the bias.
John Terry best defending skill... It's just one of the most ridiculous affirmations . You can find at least 10 better defenders in Europe only...
ITALY
Terry was a great player (terrible person, mind), but the sort of things we praised Terry for, his commitment, putting his body on the line etc., were arguably things that a truly great defender wouldn't have to do because they were often about last-ditch recovery. I'd say the same about Carragher who I genuinely think is a bit under-rated. There were certainly other defenders who were better at reading the game.
Micah wins the Guinness pour hands down. That's a great looking pint Micah...good stuff
Gary still pouring the nitrosurge guinness without the device on top.... come on Gaz.... Amatuer Hour... I may also have done this at first ! :)
Left foot: Messi
Right foot: Neymar
Speed: Adama Traore
Passing: Kroos
Dribbling: Maradona
Skill: Ronaldo Fenomeno
Physicality: Van Dijk
Defending: Thiago Silva
Football IQ: Busquets
Micah mention the Shoulder and Mutton in Leeds was not on my bingo card 😂😂
Can't believe not one of you have mentioned George Best
Agreed. Tbf these guys don’t have a clue at all
@@ryanrazza17izGod. You’d think people who have been involved in football their entire lives would know what they’re talking about but these English pundits etc are clueless 😂
Salah gets lumps kicked out of him every game but he is labelled a diver.
Same with Saka, gets kicked about and people complaining he limps, I'm not surprised
Messi still the best player in the world 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Left foot : Messi
Right foot : Batistuta
Speed: R9 (amazing acceleration and strenght while running with the ball.
Passing: Xavi (Many great passers but can't think of a player that could controll the rythm of the game like he did.
Dribbling: Maradona
Skill : Ronaldinho
Physicality : Zlatan (Amazing strenght and agility)
Defending : Maldini
IQ : Thomas Muller (Did consider Lahm and Zidane but considering Mullers relatively average skills and what he has achieved I went with him)
Clown. How do you not have CR7 in there
@@Darth-Shadow who would you replace?
@@bodega1515 easily right foot and speed
@@bodega1515 The fact that you put Thomas Muller of all people in football IQ just shows how clueless you are
@@Darth-Shadow I don't think he's even close to R9.Did you ever see him play? IQ was hard but I did not even consider him in that category. I'm not saying he's bad at any of these categories but there are players that are better.
Btw Batistuta was a beast.
Left foot : Giggs (near retirement ,when he was curling passes onto Scholes' foot while on tv)
Right foot : Bergkamp
Speed: Henry
Passing: Scholes
Dribbling: Neymar
Skill : Messi
Physicality : Drogba
Defending : Baresi
Iq : Suarez
Speed Henry? Walcott beat Henry’s 40m record at Arsenal and Robben, Walcott, Bale and Lennon all looked faster on the field.
Left foot: Carlos or Bale surely (assuming you are saving Messi for a different category)
It’s not about it being a conspiracy, it’s about the fact that those sort of decisions NEVER go against City.
PGMOL has announced they will be giving a trophy out at the end of the season called the “ the letter of the law trophy” awarded to the team that Howard Webb has told its the letter of the law the most. I can’t for the life of me think which team will win it this year !
Messi is in discussions of best of all time, and will continue to be. It’s fine if CR7 fans are shouting for him, it won’t be the case in about 40 years +. Abit like Platini and Van Basten 🤷🏾♂️ Especially when Haaland and Mbappe compete with his goal tallies. There is just so much more to football!
There is no discussion about best of all time. It's Messi. There is only a discussion about who is 2nd and so on
@@ritvikbanerjee964 I agree. Just making a point about how clear he is of Ronaldo. I can’t comment on players I never had a chance of watching. But Messi is absolutely the best I’ve ever watched.
Haaland and Mbappe will never get to his goal totals. 900 + career goals is no joke
If we leave out Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona and Pele because they can cover multiple categories each:
Left foot : Robbie Fowler
Right foot : R9
Speed: Gareth Bale
Passing: Xavi
Dribbling: Kaka
Skill : Ronaldinho
Physicality : Van Dijk
Defending : Maldini
IQ : Busquets
Lol mentioning Ronaldo among those players is an insult
Anthony Taylor with Chelsea and I'm not a Chelsea fan but it's obvious
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's just blatant inconsistency where one rule applies for one club, and another rule applies for other clubs.
I’m so glad Lineker says this about Messi. It’s genuinely not a debate. They wouldn’t be compared if they were in different eras
It was amazing watching the CL game last night and not having to notice the ref. 100% that penalty would NOT have been given by a PL ref to Arsenal. Arsenal just dont get those kind of decisions in the PL.
Remember when Arsenal fans used to mock ty from aftv when they were bad and he'd make excuses like "It's been raining?"
What happened? They've all turned into Ty.
This is like footballs version of Top Gear 👏🏼
It's not just this season it's evey single season
From balls out of play
Refs not even drawing lines
Double bookings for the same play
You never see anything like it in other games
How do I reply with a GIF? Looking for something like a crying child or violin maybe?
@@AliJongman1 you don't have too just enjoy it .. 👍🏻
you do, just have to take off your gooner glasses to see it
We do see it in many other games.. it’s just you who doesn’t seem to , hence the cringe crying
@@steviefraser5240 name some games? ... I guarantee you can't name a single game anything I said above has ever happened in
Arsenal fans have become completely deluded, like a cult. Saliba was a straight red, simple.
Lmao calm down. Never been or will ever support arsenal, but that red card was soft. Brushed his arm and he went down like a sack of bricks.
Then why wasnt tosin given a red card for the same thing done even more aggresively. Why do they need top speeds to compare and say the red card was justified. I think you are the deluded hater just cause everybody has to hate arsenal. But you do you cant really imagine having such a sad life
Give me one example of when a red like that has been given and one example when var overturns a decision like in Man City winner
@@ritvikbanerjee964 the ball was curving away from Jota and Colwill was close. Saliba and Evanilson were in acres and the ball was curving in towards the goal
The fact you are this angry like no other fan cry about refereeing decisions except Arsenal fans says all I need to know....
English media complaining about a German coaching the national team, but the Official Beer of the English Premier League being Irish gets crickets…
one of them is a liquid that represents a collective of teams with players and owners from all over the world. the other one is a human being representing a nation. what a weird comparison
I absolutely have an agenda against Arsenal because they are my London rivals, People don't like your club as much as they don't like my club and anyone elses, Deal with it.
So we have all those attacking categories for the best players and defending is all in one…
No other player than Martinelli has been sent off with two yellows in the same phase of play. No players other than Trossard and Rice have received second yellows for kicking balls away, and the Rice one is particularly suspect given it was belted at him at close range.
Conspiracy implies the referees are competent enough to plan this, but they're not. They're hopeless and inconsistent, Arsenal and Wolves just happen to be on the rough end of it for a few seasons now.
Dalot v Liverpool two yellows within 10 seconds of each other.... But yeah everyone is against Arsenal
That's actually not true. Chris Baird was sent off for Northern Ireland after receiving two yellows in the same phase of play. That was in 2015 in a match against Hungary. It's definitely rare and it was an eyebrow raiser when it happened but that these things do not just happen against Arsenal but at the moment, Arsenal (and Wolves) are suffering from these decisions the most. I agree that I think its poor refereeing rather than any conspiracy.
WOW! seem to remember not too long ago where fans of just about every other team wondered if referees were PRO Arsenal. Teams were wrong offside decisions were made if they scored against Arsenal.
Hello. Where can you submit the questions?
Twitter/X
Arsenal win takes them top, Arsenal bottle it AGAIN, in ten years 7 times the team top at Christmas has won the league, the three times it’s not happened-ALL ARSENAL 😂
I haven't heard anywhere how the ref bottled giving a straight red... Probably because it was Arsenal
I wonder what you guys thinking now after that performance by vinicius Junior🔥🔥🔥
Guys,football IQ and passing, you can't go past Franz Beckenbauer.
Shearers xi, cos he scored loads of goals & was so strong in the air
That Jota foul, why are they assuming the ball was going wide, if he had got through, his first touch would have put him through on goal
Hi lads! Not sure where to send in questions so here goes! What are your thoughts on Paul Pogbas future? Where will he end up?
Not having CR7 on this list is criminal
Oh bore off.
doesn't have to be mentioned everywhere
@@shashwatrathore9897 when you score the most goals ever and three peat in champions league… you do get mentioned everywhere
he can get best right foot maybe and thats it. Messi is best left foot, best skill, dribbling, speed, and IQ
@@JulianJamesProd. Messi has best speed 😂😂
I thought you was talking about stadiums with Atmosphere? Why you talking about Arsenal then?
In discussing referees decisions, the words you're searching for are "unconscious bias". There are a plethora of studies in business and sports on the subject.
How does one send in a question if they don't have any social media handles? 😢😢😢😢
the socials are literally in the description
@@IAMNationX I literally mentioned that I literally don't have use social media hence asking for an alternative to send in a question. Literally
Hate how they smugly laugh at the suggestion that the refs are not God fearing wholesome men who always do the right thing
If you say Messi, fair enough. If you say Ronaldo, okay fine. But I don't agree with Gary cos I know he thinks Messi and Maradona is a closer debate than Messi and CR7. Messi and CR7 are on a different level to any other player. 20 years at the top is surreal. CR7 at 35/36 setting records for Juve is crazy. Aside from Messi, I can't think of anyone doing such things at that age.
Left foot - Bale
Right foot - Beckham
Speed - CR7
Passing - Scholes
Dribbling - Messi
Physicality - ibrahimovic
Defending - Maldini
Football IQ - Busquets
the disrespect for a player who is 90 odd goals off 1000 is shocking never ever gets a mention on this podcast as great as messi is you can't just ignore ronaldo there will never be another player like him, as for messi there's a slim difference between him and Maradona
There was no disrespect; not being as good as Messi is not an insult😆😅😅its a fact
Dry youreyes mate
@@shashwatrathore9897 Naa gary just likes to deep throat messi any chance he gets. And its clear he has some sort of dislike for Ronaldo, hes always dismissed him throughout his entire career.
Messi needed growth hormone to be great. Also a fact.
@@Richards80Ronaldo and Messi are comparable goalscoring wise, with Messi having better numbers, but Messi is so much better at everything else. The media pushed this pointless debate.
No disrespect he's just worse than messi
Arsenal acting like victims have broke the back now. People have ha enough of arsenal fans
Peak Micah is now so the goal would be full and the other 2 wouldn't be able to score 😂
Messi: natural footballer.
CR: full on athlete.
Truth is, they were actually fortunate against City, the Trossard sending off was a clear sending off, and the two goals they scored were fortunate too. Ref calling back Walker, and 3 Arsenal players surrounding Ederson for the goal. I do believe the Declan Rice sending off was quite harsh, but at the end of the day Arsenal fans need to stop complaining and start to score more goals. The football they play this season has been horrible to watch compared to the last couple of seasons.
Nothing agenda . Look like other club fan was mad on how annoying arsenal fan has becoming. They keep acting like they was the defending champion. 😂
Neither Rice nor Trossard should have been sent off, Saliba on the other hand was definitely a red. I don't believe it's personal, just working out the bugs in the new rules and the application thereof.
How come these don't happen in Cricket? Because umpires decisions can be challenged and it can be checked and seen by the fans while it being checked. Football is confused between openess and referee having total authority. Very evident with VAR, offside and handball. It is either handball or not. Same with offside, not interfering with play. What is he doing on the field.
There is no conspiracy but also no consistency. The situations were similar in one the player had no control of the ball in the other there were defenders ahead. Been a few times it's red for arsenal then the same thing happens and the pgmol cover the refs backs
Haaland not scoring in a few weeks is not surprising. Man City is missing Rodri big time.
I don't think Micah has heard of half the players lineker was reeling off but just acting like he did
Big Meeks makes my Week
Assna get loads of decisions. They time watse like no other team I've ever seen they foul keepers and simply don't get punished. This even getting airtime is a show of them just being the biggest crybabies.
Maradona still the greatest i have. seen .the era was more difficult...what he did with Napoli and the 86-90 world cups has never been surpassed for me personally...after Maradona Zidane then Messi
Zico outperformed him in the Serie A, in a worse team
Damn didn't get my question on 😭
Sorry. But you all gotta go and watch all the World Cup finals where the GOAT of GOATs Pele absolutely show why he's better than all the other 🐐. And he did it at a time when defenders took no prisoners.
Did everyone get their names of their glasses or was it just Al again
Guinness has a widget,pour in full can and it settles itself into perfect pint ffs
Conspiracies , I have one, 66 games since last penalty award for Sheffield Weds. Stone bunker last night
Bollocks! The excuse that the ball was going out of play for Liverpool v Chelsea is utter bollocks.
It was different situation and is not really relevant. It was simply a red card offense, every pundit agrees.