I hope it isn't lost anyone that this video was so profoundly unfunny because this person just explained why something is funny. This is literally what people mean when they say if you have to explain a jokes it won't be funny. I imagine a logical examination of comedy is what killed humor on Vulcan.
+kallistiX1 Gee right, no one should ever attempt to explain comedy, right? Obviously because of the fact that when you do explain a joke, at the moment, it becomes unfunny, we should conclude: 1) you aren't alwed to explain the joke, say yen years later 2)even if you have the intention of explaining, not of making someone laugh, but just explaining the joke, you should not explain the joke, ever That is why comedians should be forbidden from ever teaching their art to others. It should be as cumbersome as posssible to become a comedian, and people and society should carry on this stupid traditon, that just because if I do explain a joke it becomes unfunny, then obviously I should't ever be allowed to explain it. Even if my intention is not to make someone laugh. tl;dr the above comment is dumb
+kallistiX1 so being funny it's the only impossible thing that can't the intelligent industrial make (i mean create a funny robots) PS: TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY AND NO ONE GAVE ME A PRESENT
+kallistiX1 I hope you realize that that's exactly what the video is trying to say, that a logical explanation and definition of the way things work is the opposite of humor, and humor acts "para-logically" to prevent the existence of a defined static way of living. In an ironic way this video is saying that it itself by explaining (or trying to) the role of comedy should be the butt of a whole set of jokes :P
Let me save you 04:50 and give you the words of the master: “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” ― Mel Brooks We're done here.
oh i get it. he made the definition impossible to understand because at the begining he said that comedy has no real definition. am i right? SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!!
"The jovial reconciliation of gaps in reason of the unexpected, the unlikely, the exaggerated, and the absurd with expectations and reality." Or so I wrote in a paper a long time ago...
comedy is admitting that chaos is more truthful than the supposed order our serious side needs in order to express itself through "serious" matters lile war money and everyday worries
Exactly! Comedy really does thrive on defying definitions. It’s a playful disruption of logic and expectation that makes us laugh at the contradictions around us. I’ve had moments where humor just clicks, like during awkward social situations where everyone’s rigid, and someone breaks the tension with a random joke. It’s hard to get humor right, but the Sense of Humor Improvement Program by Habit10x really helped me embrace the unpredictable nature of humor. Keep embracing the chaos, and remember-laughter is a bridge that connects us all!
I was thinking along those lines also. Put simply, sometimes things are funny simply because they don't make sense. And like you said, it's our reaction of trying to make sense of it. Or things that are just pure randomness. That's something channels like Cartoon Network thrive off of.
+Mr. Gecko the Salamander next time you have a normal conversation find some place to insert the word "Florp" it will be funny. If it isn't then your friends are dead on the inside and are simply shells of the human frame.
Does this video intentionally use difficult words. English isn't my first language, and I didn't understand more than half the shit he was talking about.
Why does comedy have to be professional? What's a "joke"? What constitutes laughter? Does breathing more heavily than usual out of my nose count? That's what I do for most "funny" things I see on the internet.
Humor is a canceleed defence mechanism. Think of your best friend jumping out of the closet only wearing underwear and a broomstick as a sword. Or think of a a single warrior who stands against an army shouting threats he cant inflict. Or the clown's gun that shoots water/flowers. It can be argued that it is the surprice ellement that is funny, but imagine a case in which a seemingly harmless umbrella fires a deadly projectile. That isnt funny anymore. For a joke to occur one needs to have a sense of danger -threat, insult, confusion -and avoiding, what seems like an imminent harm, we express the relief in the form of laughter.
man nobody gets that all hes saying is that the orderly world we made and now live in is free of distractions and chaos but when it happens and so unexpectedly its funny cuz all the time we took to make a perfect world is disrupted by something stupid
You already discovered something the video missed - but I doubt you can spot it yourself, either. You said something different than what the video said.
It seems impossible to walk on the edges of meaning without using abstract vocabulary. It`s just how it is. So I really like this; and a trip to the dictionary or lloking up a reference can be worth the while..
Comedy is the act of bringing your attention on a usual and common thing thought to be known so you think you know where it is heading and then suddenly disproving your anticipations with a logical but unusual outcome. Your brain tries to figure what will happen by evaluating possible paths and their likelihood. When you settle your anticipations on some specific paths that are so likely to be true, your brain is full of "electric charges". Disproving ALL the paths results in a discharge in the
From my observation a simplistic version is that anything we hear or see that is unexpected is funny to us. Like if I say "honest politician" in one sentence, most people would laugh.
Comedy is: 1. a play, movie, etc., of light and humorous character with a happy or cheerful ending; a dramatic work in which the central motif is the triumph over adverse circumstance, resulting in a successful or happy conclusion. 2. that branch of the drama which concerns itself with this form of composition. 3. the comic element of drama, of literature generally, or of life. 4. any literary composition dealing with a theme suitable for comedy, or employing the methods of comedy. 5. any comic or humorous incident or series of incidents.
Most of the comedy portrayed in this video seemed like it was humor that degraded rather than supported the laughed at individual. Is this normal? Or am I looking at humor from the wrong perspective? I tend to avoid humor that appears to degrade an individual rather than support, but perhaps I am thinking about it all wrong? Please let me know what you think!
You don't need all this guff about chaos; "Comedy" is an label applied to a _group_ of phenomena, rather than to specific elements in the world. With this video, it's as if we've thrown a lasso around a collection of articles, but are now trying to describe the _lasso_ rather thank acknowledging that it stands in for the _group_. The definition of "comedy" is "the collection of things associated with comedy/humour/funniness." A thing which made you laugh? Comedy! What kind of show are you going to see? Comedy! The word has broad application because it covers by _association_ with an emotion, not specific form in the world. lesswrong.com/lw/od/37_ways_that_words_can_be_wrong/ At least, this is my understanding so far.
Question: What makes us laugh? Answer: High rates of schema shifts in the absence of fear. Most laughter I have observed from humans come from a place of insecurity. Hence, a significant percentage of laughs are insecure laughs. True belly laughter or "true laughter" occurs when our "schema" or mental models of the world are suddenly shifted or changed, when we are not afraid. If our "schema" or "mental representations/predictors" of the world did shift suddenly, we might SCREAM instead of laugh. There is a link between laughter and screaming. Try reflecting on the similarities in vocalization of laughs and screams. One is interrupted. One is not. A laugh might initially be confused with a scream for the first fraction of a second. Hence, why a sudden breaking of expectations of an anvil falling on a coyote is funny and results in laughter. And why if I were the coyote or the family member of the coyote, I and the coyote would scream! The presence or absence of fear in a situation where one's expectations/predictions of the world have suddenly changed results in laughter or horror/screaming. Definition of rate: A rate a change over time. One can have a "high rate" in two simple ways. A high rate can occur either with great or a large amount of change happening in a certain time or the change happening in a very short amount of time. In other words, 1000/100 = 10 or 100/2 = 50. "True laughter" falls on a spectrum. The greater the rate of schema shifts (in the absence of fear), the higher the chances of a larger laugh. Smaller rates may result not in a big bell laugh but in a smile. Many (all?) things fall into spectrum. Sexuality. Degree of liking broccoli. Fitness. And laughter. Again to summarize: Question: What makes us laugh? Answer: High rates of schema shifts in the absence of fear. ......Can one have comedy without the spectrum (low to high rates) of schema shifts in the absence of fear? In other words, can we have comedy without the feeling of wanting to smile or laugh on some level? I don't think so. Did I just PWN this Ted-Ed talk?
And to those who mindlessly repeat the cliche of by explaining humor you are killing humor, I'll begin to explain how you are mindlessly parroting a myth. Humor, comedy, laughter... it is in part connected to learning. Learning at such a high rate that, to use "metaphorical/poetic imagery," the mind and belly explode due to a rapidly absorbed idea. To "intellectualize things to death" such as humor is "actually a fun journey" into exploring one of the basic components of life. Learning. Humor/comedy is about learning. Learning how to learn is one of the best skills to have in life. Google/wikipedia "epistemology," the science of knowledge or learning. Read a book on that. Comedy is interconnected with epistemology. A noble question: Why do we laugh? or What's the definition of comedy?
When we laugh, we have just learned something. What we learned could be true or false. Fact or fiction. We could have learned that a person just fell and we laugh. Or we learned that another person fell when they in fact didn't. A myth. When a person learned something, it is related to constructing and/or deconstructing schemas. Schemas are mental representations of something or those structures in the brain that represent a model of that thing in reality. When we learn something quickly in the absence of fear, we LAUGH. HAAAAHAAAaahahaha!!!. We we learn something quickly in the absence of fear, we are quickly constructing and deconstructing schemas in our brains. Those neural firing wave patterns are altered, disrupted, changed, shifted from old ones into new ones. When those schema are shifted from old to new in a fast way (or high rate) in the presence of fear, one is very likely to scream! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHH!!!! We can use our crude, unrefined, simple formula for laughter (high rates of schema shifts in the absence of fear) and apply it to psychopaths. Where a group of "normal" people scream at a specific situation, would a group of "psychopaths" laugh in the similar situation? Even the term psychopath is too judgemental or inappropriate. Because situations arise where one person may simply (for a myriad of reasons) have no fear in that specific event. I do know in the movie the Dark Knight, the scene where the joker is falling from a rooftop and batman catches him. He isn't screaming during his fall. He is laughing. Other characters in the movie. They scream. Batman doesn't do either. No scream. No laugh. hmmmm.... ::hold chin and looks up:: Just to go off tangent, I could have a schema of a flying person in air who is super strong and shoots laser beams from his eyes. Just because I can think of it, doesn't mean it exists in reality. Right? Therefore, laughter can be subjective. Some people may be "smarter" or "more knowledgeable" and "get" the joke (high rate of schema shift in the absence of fear). Others (mentally unstable people) may be in their own little worlds and perhaps their perceptions or mental states (hence schema formation) may be different, which then causes them to laugh. A child may laugh at a new joke or a new person to the joke may laugh at the joke, while the "old person" may not laugh at the joke. Chances are he is forcing himself to laugh. Fake laughter. So he is a part of the group. I still laugh even though I know a little about "true laughter" or "genuine laughter." Knowledge of it has not killed laughter. But perhaps enhanced it. I suppose the problem of intellectualizing laughter that hence kills laughter may have to do with the realm of "fake laughter" or what I like to call "insecure laughter." Since most people laugh because of insecurities, by being aware of their "dark side," that dark hidden part of themselves that is not illuminated, they may feel insecure about their "fake/insecure laughter." If people are more aware of their own false pretenses, yes, they may be less inclined to perform and go forward with those false pretenses, i.e., bullshit. Does illuminating light (knowledge) cut through bullshit? Yes. Does that mean people will less likely bullshit themselves and each other? Yes. Is living in the "real world" as opposed to the "social matrix" depressing? I say no. Just like a drug addict or even someone who decides to cut out junk food from their diet may be depressed for a few weeks afterwards, their body will adjust and reestablish an equilibrium. They will develop new taste buds. And if they were to go back to try the junk food they tried before their detox, they may realize how unbearably sugary the food is. The "definition of humor kills humor." It doesn't kill "genuine" humor and "genuine" laughs. It may kill "fake/insecure" laughs and "fake" humor. Because our ego doesn't like to know it is being fake. The phrase the "definition of humor kills FAKE humor" is more appropriate. We need to replace the "intellectualizing to death" motif with "cutting out the junk and bullshit" motif and also adding in "detoxifying from the bullshit" motif. We have junk food, junk media, and junk behavior. Detox. Wake up. Grow up. Evolve. Step away from the filthy slimy pool and walk on land you amphibian.
Comedy is tied to laughter. Laughter is tied to schema shifts. Schema are the constructed and deconstructed models of our perceptions of reality. That process of schema formation and destabilization is what learning is about. Learning entails creating new models, new representations, new schema of this world. Even if the "new" is sometimes at the expense of the "old" being destabilized quickly. Learning entails destabilizing the old models, representations, schema.
I'll just add that you remind me of some of the professors I had in the past. I'm glad that you aren't grading me in a professor-student relationship. Thanks for your thoughts. I hope we both revisit them in the future. Cute cat btw.
Comedy is a genre that refers to media that's intended to produce laughter. This video doesn't attempt to define comedy but instead attempts to find general examples of comedy. So the title should have been, "General examples of comedy. Banana. - Addison Anderson"
Yet they do have a point. Sounding intellectual, but making it hard for a group of people to understand the point is an effort that leads to self defeat. The point the person tried to make was hard to get a hand on. He had nice quotes from well known individuals, but that's essentially all I got from this on a single watch through. Also instead of using more common linguistics they persisted on 'scientific' jargon, that a large group of society seems to find scary for one reason or another.
MrDemianmtz3 Why did you think it would make you laugh because it's ABOUT comedy? That's like saying you were shocked a video about medicine didn't cure your cancer.
this was a great video. i think its always interesting to put thing in perceptions, or as you put it trying to explain something with the upset of the subject to give a further understanding of the subject. :D
I wonder if someone wouldn't mind explaining the concept of infinite infinition. It sounds interesting. I understand what paralogical means, but I'm not sure I understand the definition of infinition or how it could be infinite
Philosophy is written in a way that tries to narrow the escape of the philosopher's meaning. You'll often see a paragraph that seems to "needlessly" state the same thing over and over again. The structure of statement is changed in each sentence to make sure that the reader fully takes it in. Remember, not everyone reads and understands in the exact same way. It's kind of like reading a science journal. If you don't know how, you're going to be lost. Suggestion? Learn how to read philosophy.
there are plenty of people who get confused when you use words like "communicating" and "obnoxious". use smaller words! I'd rather have efficient communication than vague and verbose, which is exactly what jargon is for.
region of your brain responsible for the regulation of the distribution of the "data". This region is also responsible for the pleasure/reward feeling (where most drugs acts to create well-being and addiction). This discharge is "spasmodic"... This results in the "spasms" we know as laugh... While creating a pleasant and soothing feeling... but also, sometime, a quizzical feeling!
One question I've always had... What is, and what has: a punchline? What is a puchline and what has in it a puchline, I've heard that jokes don't have punchlines, so what does?
I came to this video thinking that this guy will explain the origin of comedy. Half way through the video my brain turned into mush.
A tasty onion Oh onions have brains now?
Lol that's the irony...by trying to explain comedy, the video became unfunny.
@@jazzy_jz That's like most things in reality, if you have to explain it's structure it ruins the art of the expression that it forms.
I have no idea about half the things he is saying, but I just go along with it.
Lol ikr
Ikr
same , and i got an exposé about humore to do next week
I hope it isn't lost anyone that this video was so profoundly unfunny because this person just explained why something is funny. This is literally what people mean when they say if you have to explain a jokes it won't be funny. I imagine a logical examination of comedy is what killed humor on Vulcan.
+kallistiX1 i get it XD
+kallistiX1 Gee right, no one should ever attempt to explain comedy, right?
Obviously because of the fact that when you do explain a joke, at the moment, it becomes unfunny, we should conclude:
1) you aren't alwed to explain the joke, say yen years later
2)even if you have the intention of explaining, not of making someone laugh, but just explaining the joke, you should not explain the joke, ever
That is why comedians should be forbidden from ever teaching their art to others. It should be as cumbersome as posssible to become a comedian, and people and society should carry on this stupid traditon, that just because if I do explain a joke it becomes unfunny, then obviously I should't ever be allowed to explain it. Even if my intention is not to make someone laugh.
tl;dr the above comment is dumb
+kallistiX1 so being funny it's the only impossible thing that can't the intelligent industrial make (i mean create a funny robots)
PS: TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY AND NO ONE GAVE ME A PRESENT
Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Nobody's interested, and the frog dies.
+kallistiX1 I hope you realize that that's exactly what the video is trying to say, that a logical explanation and definition of the way things work is the opposite of humor, and humor acts "para-logically" to prevent the existence of a defined static way of living.
In an ironic way this video is saying that it itself by explaining (or trying to) the role of comedy should be the butt of a whole set of jokes :P
I laughed at 2+2=4
wait.. 2+2=4?
Baaahahah
I laughed at this comment
Amrit Handa
I laugh in the face of danger
+Da0Boss0 I laugh at my life
A wise Chinese philosopher once said "if a dog barks, its under cooked".
I keep seeing you around youtube m8
Good one man. I hope all people understand this
:))) haha that's funny
Underrated
Ok that's funny you got me
To be honest, this is the most educating video i have ever seen in my life. I learned absolutely nothing from this video
Let me save you 04:50 and give you the words of the master:
“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.”
― Mel Brooks
We're done here.
wtf
The other literally meant the other.
tenzin, my god your a genius
Lmao
Well that was clear
too clear to understand
I laughed at this comment
Exactly
Comment section:
0.01% haHA you guys don't get it? So stupid...
0.09% This was not funny.
99% WTF just happened
+Still Just-Me 99% + 0,1% = 99,1%. What's the 0,9%?
+Liberal-Socialist Progressive Agnostic Humanist The people who didn't comment
+Ratonhnhaké:ton AKA Connor Kenway He's a cow, give him a break
@@SorenHoole cow?
That looks like a dog to me
Nothing says comedy like philosophy
comedy is when u look this video to understand what comedy is
Umm it's actually "Professional entertainment consisting of jokes and sketches, intended to make an audience laugh." Rekt
doesn't explain improv.
rekt.
Hahahahahhahahahahaha
nah it's after that when u realize u don't understand the video and have to check the comments
You lost me at 2+2...
Jack Leeper
Is 4 - 1 is 3 QUICK MATHS
oh i get it. he made the definition impossible to understand because at the begining he said that comedy has no real definition. am i right? SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!!
Ben Cadet You still confused?
Define "definition".
Comedy is the art of breaking expectations
Comedy is defiance of definition. He answered the question in the first 35 seconds.
"The jovial reconciliation of gaps in reason of the unexpected, the unlikely, the exaggerated, and the absurd with expectations and reality."
Or so I wrote in a paper a long time ago...
DamazViccar 4 years old but outstanding definition
comedy is admitting that chaos is more truthful than the supposed order our serious side needs in order to express itself through "serious" matters lile war money and everyday worries
just be thankful that we have access to the internet and youtube, which allows us the luxury of choice concerning such great and enlightening videos.
Exactly! Comedy really does thrive on defying definitions. It’s a playful disruption of logic and expectation that makes us laugh at the contradictions around us. I’ve had moments where humor just clicks, like during awkward social situations where everyone’s rigid, and someone breaks the tension with a random joke.
It’s hard to get humor right, but the Sense of Humor Improvement Program by Habit10x really helped me embrace the unpredictable nature of humor. Keep embracing the chaos, and remember-laughter is a bridge that connects us all!
whos gon tell them that in 2020 corn fleake is funny
I was thinking along those lines also. Put simply, sometimes things are funny simply because they don't make sense. And like you said, it's our reaction of trying to make sense of it. Or things that are just pure randomness. That's something channels like Cartoon Network thrive off of.
Can somebody explain how 'florp' is hilarious?
+Mr. Gecko the Salamander next time you have a normal conversation find some place to insert the word "Florp" it will be funny. If it isn't then your friends are dead on the inside and are simply shells of the human frame.
Can we just appreciate that the person who made this is called Addison Anderson. COMEDY!
I had that exact realization on an acid trip long ago. Its like when the suppositions collapse they create the literal chuckles, like a cascade.
Does this video intentionally use difficult words. English isn't my first language, and I didn't understand more than half the shit he was talking about.
English is my native language and I took a philosophy class and I don't understand half the shit he was talking about.
onee Hahahahhahaha wait
onee you can use captions to set it to your native language
After watching this video, I can remember several moments of the animation, but not a single word of the narration.
"Professional entertainment consisting of jokes and sketches, intended to make an audience laugh." Rekt.
Why does comedy have to be professional? What's a "joke"? What constitutes laughter? Does breathing more heavily than usual out of my nose count? That's what I do for most "funny" things I see on the internet.
Adam Weishaupt You must be fun at parties.
The Cough I'm not the one who tried to define something just to antagonize a RUclips video. My point was the video is correct.
Adam Weishaupt You don't get comedy, do you?
The Cough If you think that counts as comedy you live a pretty sad life.
Humor is a canceleed defence mechanism. Think of your best friend jumping out of the closet only wearing underwear and a broomstick as a sword. Or think of a a single warrior who stands against an army shouting threats he cant inflict. Or the clown's gun that shoots water/flowers. It can be argued that it is the surprice ellement that is funny, but imagine a case in which a seemingly harmless umbrella fires a deadly projectile. That isnt funny anymore. For a joke to occur one needs to have a sense of danger -threat, insult, confusion -and avoiding, what seems like an imminent harm, we express the relief in the form of laughter.
I love that the only commenter who got it right in correcting the video has no upvotes. Pure comedy...
It's the execution of a cunning plan, for you see, all of RUclips and myself have been setting this prank for you. We totally got you...
yh for real you actually made sense
Dovahkiin Dragonshout Why? I find the Penguin's umbrella to be really funny, so why is that example supposedly not funny?
So, comedy is subversion of expectations?
The most unironical video of all time. you don't get it until you get it. pure genius.
What does an octopus and a soldier have in common?
They are well armed
oh you didn't like it?
man nobody gets that all hes saying is that the orderly world we made and now live in is free of distractions and chaos but when it happens and so unexpectedly its funny cuz all the time we took to make a perfect world is disrupted by something stupid
ok you're officially smarter than me and like 90% of the population
You already discovered something the video missed - but I doubt you can spot it yourself, either. You said something different than what the video said.
John Egbert awe thank you!
Schroeder maybe I did maybe I didn't =>
man if they could do our studies in animation like this explaining we all would be thomas jefferson or eistein right now if only people agreed with me
As Garnet said "The root of all comedy is fear."
To me, that's 50% true.
now that IS comedy.
Madelyn Molen
No, the root of all comedy is absurdity. Garnet failed basic philosophy class.
felixdaniels37 Hahaha! That's because she's a gem, not a real person!
comedy is laughter.
It seems impossible to walk on the edges of meaning without using abstract vocabulary. It`s just how it is. So I really like this; and a trip to the dictionary or lloking up a reference can be worth the while..
코미디의 정의는 무었일까 생각해보고 알아보는 시간이 되었습니다. 코미디 같이 쉽게 느껴지는 용어도 깊이 정의를 생각해보니 막혔습니다. 쉽게 느껴지는 것도 계속 의문을 가져야할 것 같습니다. 좋은 시간이 되었습니다. 정말 감사합니다.
Look at the top corner in the very begining
View full lesson on ed.ted.com
Now that's comedy.
That's why joking about religion is so effective :)
A bit too dense. Can you dumb it down a touch? :)
+jamesaellis That is funny, because is true!
Notes taken : The definition of chaos is comedy.
Comedy is the act of bringing your attention on a usual and common thing thought to be known so you think you know where it is heading and then suddenly disproving your anticipations with a logical but unusual outcome.
Your brain tries to figure what will happen by evaluating possible paths and their likelihood. When you settle your anticipations on some specific paths that are so likely to be true, your brain is full of "electric charges". Disproving ALL the paths results in a discharge in the
From my observation a simplistic version is that anything we hear or see that is unexpected is funny to us. Like if I say "honest politician" in one sentence, most people would laugh.
the video is titled "the definition of comedy" not "here are some funny things". when you start to define a joke, you kill it.
Defition of comedy: Something that piques your interest yet does not engross you in it, and can cause easing of tensions within humans.
That said what could not be said. That was poetry.
Comedy is:
1.
a play, movie, etc., of light and humorous character with a happy or cheerful ending; a dramatic work in which the central motif is the triumph over adverse circumstance, resulting in a successful or happy conclusion.
2.
that branch of the drama which concerns itself with this form of composition.
3.
the comic element of drama, of literature generally, or of life.
4.
any literary composition dealing with a theme suitable for comedy, or employing the methods of comedy.
5.
any comic or humorous incident or series of incidents.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Knock Knock"
"Who's there?"
"2+2=4"
+FrodoBlueSting ....
+Still Just-Me It's not funny cause it's true
I think we laugh if something bad and unexpected happens to others or if something good and unexpected happens to us
Yeah no... i didn't understand a damn thing....
finally this guy gets to write his own video and not just narrate
Once in Garfield It has been said that the surprise is a great factor, is similar in 3:41
It goes a little too fast at first, but watching it a second time, everything gets a lot clearer.
My philosophy teacher once said that something's funny because it's unexpected. That's the best explanation I've ever come across. Think about it!
it's *an* explanation, but it doesn't capture purely we define everything we arbitrarily find funny, also humour is subjective.
Not always. Sometimes you see something coming from a mile away. But then it is still funny when it happens.
Most of the comedy portrayed in this video seemed like it was humor that degraded rather than supported the laughed at individual. Is this normal?
Or am I looking at humor from the wrong perspective? I tend to avoid humor that appears to degrade an individual rather than support, but perhaps I am thinking about it all wrong? Please let me know what you think!
The animation was so cool that I couldn't listen to what was said :)
You don't need all this guff about chaos; "Comedy" is an label applied to a _group_ of phenomena, rather than to specific elements in the world. With this video, it's as if we've thrown a lasso around a collection of articles, but are now trying to describe the _lasso_ rather thank acknowledging that it stands in for the _group_. The definition of "comedy" is "the collection of things associated with comedy/humour/funniness."
A thing which made you laugh? Comedy! What kind of show are you going to see? Comedy! The word has broad application because it covers by _association_ with an emotion, not specific form in the world.
lesswrong.com/lw/od/37_ways_that_words_can_be_wrong/
At least, this is my understanding so far.
Question: What makes us laugh?
Answer: High rates of schema shifts in the absence of fear.
Most laughter I have observed from humans come from a place of insecurity. Hence, a significant percentage of laughs are insecure laughs.
True belly laughter or "true laughter" occurs when our "schema" or mental models of the world are suddenly shifted or changed, when we are not afraid.
If our "schema" or "mental representations/predictors" of the world did shift suddenly, we might SCREAM instead of laugh. There is a link between laughter and screaming. Try reflecting on the similarities in vocalization of laughs and screams. One is interrupted. One is not. A laugh might initially be confused with a scream for the first fraction of a second.
Hence, why a sudden breaking of expectations of an anvil falling on a coyote is funny and results in laughter. And why if I were the coyote or the family member of the coyote, I and the coyote would scream! The presence or absence of fear in a situation where one's expectations/predictions of the world have suddenly changed results in laughter or horror/screaming.
Definition of rate: A rate a change over time.
One can have a "high rate" in two simple ways. A high rate can occur either with great or a large amount of change happening in a certain time or the change happening in a very short amount of time. In other words, 1000/100 = 10 or 100/2 = 50.
"True laughter" falls on a spectrum. The greater the rate of schema shifts (in the absence of fear), the higher the chances of a larger laugh. Smaller rates may result not in a big bell laugh but in a smile.
Many (all?) things fall into spectrum. Sexuality. Degree of liking broccoli. Fitness. And laughter.
Again to summarize:
Question: What makes us laugh?
Answer: High rates of schema shifts in the absence of fear.
......Can one have comedy without the spectrum (low to high rates) of schema shifts in the absence of fear? In other words, can we have comedy without the feeling of wanting to smile or laugh on some level? I don't think so.
Did I just PWN this Ted-Ed talk?
And to those who mindlessly repeat the cliche of by explaining humor you are killing humor, I'll begin to explain how you are mindlessly parroting a myth.
Humor, comedy, laughter... it is in part connected to learning. Learning at such a high rate that, to use "metaphorical/poetic imagery," the mind and belly explode due to a rapidly absorbed idea.
To "intellectualize things to death" such as humor is "actually a fun journey" into exploring one of the basic components of life. Learning. Humor/comedy is about learning. Learning how to learn is one of the best skills to have in life. Google/wikipedia "epistemology," the science of knowledge or learning. Read a book on that.
Comedy is interconnected with epistemology.
A noble question: Why do we laugh? or What's the definition of comedy?
IMO, the best learning happens in the absence of fear. Social animals learning together = better survival value.
When we laugh, we have just learned something. What we learned could be true or false. Fact or fiction. We could have learned that a person just fell and we laugh. Or we learned that another person fell when they in fact didn't. A myth.
When a person learned something, it is related to constructing and/or deconstructing schemas. Schemas are mental representations of something or those structures in the brain that represent a model of that thing in reality. When we learn something quickly in the absence of fear, we LAUGH. HAAAAHAAAaahahaha!!!. We we learn something quickly in the absence of fear, we are quickly constructing and deconstructing schemas in our brains. Those neural firing wave patterns are altered, disrupted, changed, shifted from old ones into new ones.
When those schema are shifted from old to new in a fast way (or high rate) in the presence of fear, one is very likely to scream! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
We can use our crude, unrefined, simple formula for laughter (high rates of schema shifts in the absence of fear) and apply it to psychopaths. Where a group of "normal" people scream at a specific situation, would a group of "psychopaths" laugh in the similar situation? Even the term psychopath is too judgemental or inappropriate. Because situations arise where one person may simply (for a myriad of reasons) have no fear in that specific event.
I do know in the movie the Dark Knight, the scene where the joker is falling from a rooftop and batman catches him. He isn't screaming during his fall. He is laughing. Other characters in the movie. They scream. Batman doesn't do either. No scream. No laugh. hmmmm.... ::hold chin and looks up::
Just to go off tangent, I could have a schema of a flying person in air who is super strong and shoots laser beams from his eyes. Just because I can think of it, doesn't mean it exists in reality. Right?
Therefore, laughter can be subjective. Some people may be "smarter" or "more knowledgeable" and "get" the joke (high rate of schema shift in the absence of fear). Others (mentally unstable people) may be in their own little worlds and perhaps their perceptions or mental states (hence schema formation) may be different, which then causes them to laugh. A child may laugh at a new joke or a new person to the joke may laugh at the joke, while the "old person" may not laugh at the joke. Chances are he is forcing himself to laugh. Fake laughter. So he is a part of the group.
I still laugh even though I know a little about "true laughter" or "genuine laughter." Knowledge of it has not killed laughter. But perhaps enhanced it.
I suppose the problem of intellectualizing laughter that hence kills laughter may have to do with the realm of "fake laughter" or what I like to call "insecure laughter." Since most people laugh because of insecurities, by being aware of their "dark side," that dark hidden part of themselves that is not illuminated, they may feel insecure about their "fake/insecure laughter." If people are more aware of their own false pretenses, yes, they may be less inclined to perform and go forward with those false pretenses, i.e., bullshit.
Does illuminating light (knowledge) cut through bullshit? Yes.
Does that mean people will less likely bullshit themselves and each other? Yes.
Is living in the "real world" as opposed to the "social matrix" depressing? I say no. Just like a drug addict or even someone who decides to cut out junk food from their diet may be depressed for a few weeks afterwards, their body will adjust and reestablish an equilibrium. They will develop new taste buds. And if they were to go back to try the junk food they tried before their detox, they may realize how unbearably sugary the food is.
The "definition of humor kills humor." It doesn't kill "genuine" humor and "genuine" laughs. It may kill "fake/insecure" laughs and "fake" humor. Because our ego doesn't like to know it is being fake. The phrase the "definition of humor kills FAKE humor" is more appropriate.
We need to replace the "intellectualizing to death" motif with "cutting out the junk and bullshit" motif and also adding in "detoxifying from the bullshit" motif. We have junk food, junk media, and junk behavior. Detox. Wake up. Grow up. Evolve. Step away from the filthy slimy pool and walk on land you amphibian.
Comedy is tied to laughter. Laughter is tied to schema shifts. Schema are the constructed and deconstructed models of our perceptions of reality. That process of schema formation and destabilization is what learning is about. Learning entails creating new models, new representations, new schema of this world. Even if the "new" is sometimes at the expense of the "old" being destabilized quickly. Learning entails destabilizing the old models, representations, schema.
I'll just add that you remind me of some of the professors I had in the past. I'm glad that you aren't grading me in a professor-student relationship.
Thanks for your thoughts. I hope we both revisit them in the future.
Cute cat btw.
Comedy is a genre that refers to media that's intended to produce laughter. This video doesn't attempt to define comedy but instead attempts to find general examples of comedy. So the title should have been, "General examples of comedy. Banana. - Addison Anderson"
Yet they do have a point. Sounding intellectual, but making it hard for a group of people to understand the point is an effort that leads to self defeat. The point the person tried to make was hard to get a hand on. He had nice quotes from well known individuals, but that's essentially all I got from this on a single watch through. Also instead of using more common linguistics they persisted on 'scientific' jargon, that a large group of society seems to find scary for one reason or another.
Comedy is really defined by the audience who you intend to make laugh.
Basically...
Challenge Logic
I don’t think it can just be unexpected. It has to somehow subvert the expectations we have about the world. Not everything random is funny.
That was awesome, thanks for the laughs.
Maybe it means "Let it be and just enjoy the laughs."
this is a video made by someone who tried to over analyze comedy, this video did not make me laugh, not even smile.
thats the point of the video it was to describe what comedy is not make you laugh
MrDemianmtz3 Why did you think it would make you laugh because it's ABOUT comedy? That's like saying you were shocked a video about medicine didn't cure your cancer.
YOU UNDERSTOOD IT FULLY. CONGRATS LOL
deep a bit too deep but good video
DONT THINK SO MUCH
JUST LAUGH....
So, it's exactly like defining what is and counts as art.
Now i we are just left with differentiating between what is comical and what humoristic
The only comedy to make me laugh is memes.
A million men can tell you a joke but only one of them makes you laugh. He then tells you he's not joking.
when you try to read the comments in search for a joke, joke's on you. no kidding.
@The80sKickAss The video is great and i can say that talks about the philosophical concepts clearly
So.... Fucking.... Simple.... If it makes you laugh, it's comedy!
This, I was so eager to know more about this subject but this lecture was more confusing than learning a new language.
this was a great video. i think its always interesting to put thing in perceptions, or as you put it trying to explain something with the upset of the subject to give a further understanding of the subject. :D
I wonder if someone wouldn't mind explaining the concept of infinite infinition. It sounds interesting. I understand what paralogical means, but I'm not sure I understand the definition of infinition or how it could be infinite
laughing is learning. That´s it.- Comedy is a unexpected way to teach.-
FYTJ I completely agree!! That explanation make so much sense thank you!! :D
Let’s put a smile on that face!
I got lost in the chaos.
Philosophy is written in a way that tries to narrow the escape of the philosopher's meaning. You'll often see a paragraph that seems to "needlessly" state the same thing over and over again. The structure of statement is changed in each sentence to make sure that the reader fully takes it in. Remember, not everyone reads and understands in the exact same way. It's kind of like reading a science journal. If you don't know how, you're going to be lost. Suggestion? Learn how to read philosophy.
If you pause the video a couple of times, and think about what he is saying, then you'll understand most of what he's saying.
alright what he said was what people find funny are contradictions to reality because it points out there is a flaw and flaws are funny to people
Oscar Wilde: To define is to limit.
I think an easier way to define comedy is to look at what isn't comedy.
Things are funny when they are absurd PERIOD. It's how react the illogical states. Thus, it's used as a tool of logic and reasoning.
Only one question: What?
wow the theory on comedy being something that has the social function of disrupting automatism in people's minds and behaviours just blew my mind
All I learned is that Aristotle crossdresses
Comedy is a thing or device to make a person or group of people laugh
My brain hurts so bad right now....
Is the stand up comedian in the animation Andy Zaltzman?
They never explained why we laugh at something that's funny.
there are plenty of people who get confused when you use words like "communicating" and "obnoxious". use smaller words!
I'd rather have efficient communication than vague and verbose, which is exactly what jargon is for.
region of your brain responsible for the regulation of the distribution of the "data". This region is also responsible for the pleasure/reward feeling (where most drugs acts to create well-being and addiction). This discharge is "spasmodic"... This results in the "spasms" we know as laugh... While creating a pleasant and soothing feeling... but also, sometime, a quizzical feeling!
This is brilliant.
One question I've always had... What is, and what has: a punchline? What is a puchline and what has in it a puchline, I've heard that jokes don't have punchlines, so what does?
Your mum does. But seriously though domestic violence is no joke, please get her help.
Boglenight kek
i want some of that juice which never gets over