This is actually the first time I heard Watain mentioned towards a member of Marduk, I'm glad he has no visible problem with Watain. I would personally like it if they were to both go on tour.
Marduk have always been and still remain my fave black metal band. If someone was to ask, who hadn't really listned to black metal nefore, what band and/or album to check out, out of all the black metal bands I'd recommend Marduk and either opus nocturne of wormwood. Marduk are the most elite of elite black metal IMO. No one has ever or will ever top them
If you're gonna say ONLY NOT Christianity, then you should also include Islam and Judaism in that. Otherwise, if you aren't gonna also exclude them outright than you shouldn't exclude Christianity outright, it's ALL 'revealed religions" and monotheisms or none and include any belief system as being ok for black metal so long as it's black metal sound and dark emotions/atmosphere period
I'd've asked what kind of inspiration he got from his Abruptum work and how that impacts Marduk. I would also have asked if he can see parallels between the ancient Mesopotamian pantheons and his take on Satanism, or bronze age era war versus modern warfare.
Morgan is so fucking right!!! If bands even call themselves Black Metal, it doesn't mean that it's right, that they are really Black Metal. Real Black Metal consists not only of fast playing-velocity, Corpsepaint, or Men, that are wandering around with some turned crosses or pentagrams... The message has to be right. It has to be dark and satanic. The topics of the lyrics have to be bleak, true historical things. Some stuff that you can think about, while listening to this awesome music \m/
I wonder what his opinion is on Bathory then? He likrly is a fan. But Batjory while it had that pseudo-satanic{shock value} thing at first, after the first couple albums Quorthon took it into being Viking/pagan black metal. Bathory was arguably the first band to have that DISTINCTLY BLACK METAL-ISH SOUND[WITH SOME THRASH/SPEED INFLUENCE MUSICALLY OF COURSE; the first cross-over band; sorry about the call caps, not yelling, accident ,too lazy to erase and retype} and the first to have the distinctly black metal vocals. I think the origins of black metal as a genre and how it quickly developed suggests that it doesn't have to be specifically "Satanist/satanic", it can be anything ideologically, though there has always been a strong current of occultism and paganism{not neccaserily specifically Satanism} in it and also tendencies towards nihilism, misanthropy, angry, dark subject matter, not NECCASERILY 'Satanism".
Black metal (metal music glorifying black powers) is NOT the sound. It's spiritual concept, exploring left hand path . It's the ESSENCE regardless how you call it, black metal, evil metal, occult metal blah blah, music is only a form, which can be anything. Why should a band using tremolo and screech and singing about nature should be called "black metal" if doesn't deal with esoteric powers? sound can't be a foundation of musical genre and never was, it's post90s generation which twisted everything. Sound is only sound, be it Palm-muting or tremolo or arpeggio, it doesn't have any "objective genre" about it. It's only a technical tool to deliver a message. The same is in cinema, "genre" is a common motive and atmosphere, like "supernatural horror". But technical aspects like effects, make up, location, soundtrack etc. are different from movie to movie. So does musical sound differ from one black metal band to another, yet their message is the same. Take Root, Dissection, Parabellum or early Moonspell and compare them
But he does not mention theistic Satanism as a requirement, only a Satanic vision, which you can interpret in a number of ways. Case in point when he mentions Mercyful Fate. Everybody knows King Diamond is a Laveyan Satanist (thus not theistic) but it still fits in the Black Metal framework. For me, simply anti-christian lyrics is nothing that defines BM, at all. There is nothing "Black", nor evil, about being an atheist.
King diamond was theistic. laveyan was only his philosophy regarding social issues, but he stated there were the hidden powers (regardless of what human made term you want to use, Satan, set, Loki, Dionysius etc.) in the existence which should be treated with respect. The original lavey teaching didn't promote atheism, but deism
how it was disappointing to hear of musicians with such an extensive career that does not want to accept as legitimate colleagues from similar metal sub-genre just because their articles are not based on Satanism.
I think it's a very nuanced thing. You'd have to ask about specific bands and whatnot. Rarely are these things entirely blanket statements, it's just that people tend to generalize to make messages easier to produce and receive.
As much as I like Morgan he comes of rather stupid in this interview. So if you wanna play black metal you have to sing about satanism? So all the bands out there singing about darkness, nature, pre historic periods, atheism etc. are not black metal? Give me a break Morgan
I think he says this because of black metal has its roots in an antichristian philosophy, and the worship of Christianity's biggest enemy, Satan. I think that just because a metal band has the sound of black metal, doesn't entirely make them black metal, I think its a hand-'n'-hand combination of both the sound and the lyricism. I also thinks this concept works both ways, such as with bands like Ghost B.C where they don't have the sound, but they do have the lyricism.
He makes perfect sense. Black metal (metal music glorifying black powers) is NOT the sound. It's spiritual concept, exploring left hand path . It's the ESSENCE regardless how you call it, black metal, evil metal, occult metal blah blah, music is only a form, which can be anything. Why should a band using tremolo and screech and singing about nature be called "black metal" if doesn't deal with esoteric powers? People fucking twisted such a beautiful concept with their narrow erroneous limited perception
lol Rather for some weird reason so-called modern "metal subculture" tend to define "genre" by technical nuances (style) which doesn't make any sense. Because "genre" is inner content e.g. theme, message, spirit, which anybody can address by different aesthetical descriptions. The Omen, Suspiria and Cathedral of demons belong to the same genre/theme (fear of the unknown), one may call it "mystical movie", "demonic suspense film" or "supernatural horror movie". Technical nuances (photography, actorship, location, soundtrack) are very different though. That's the point of it. Marduk, Mercyful fate, Beherit or 92-94 Moonspell are the same genre regardless which aesthetical description one chooses to issue on it, evil metal, black metal, dark metal, devilish metal etc., but stylistically very different (riffs, vocals, mood, visual art, lyrical approach). It doesn't matter how you label stuff, it's about what it stands for, ya know. Emperor "Wrath of the tyrant" 92 tape had the following declaration in-scripted "9 tracks of devastating occult, evil Metal". They could have invented some other pathetic description like "majestic metal of darkness". Silly that people can't understand such a simple thing
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If any of y’all watch more Morgan interviews he always throws the “I don’t really care” 😂
This is actually the first time I heard Watain mentioned towards a member of Marduk, I'm glad he has no visible problem with Watain. I would personally like it if they were to both go on tour.
Mogan is an incredible person and founder of the great Marduk . I have seen different interviews and always nice and gives interesting answers .
One of the best interviews I saw with Morgan I really enjoyed this
Marduk have always been and still remain my fave black metal band. If someone was to ask, who hadn't really listned to black metal nefore, what band and/or album to check out, out of all the black metal bands I'd recommend Marduk and either opus nocturne of wormwood.
Marduk are the most elite of elite black metal IMO. No one has ever or will ever top them
nice waffen tunic morgan;)
good interview, honestly one of the best on YT
great interview!
Black Metal can be any lyricsm except Christianity! And old and new Marduk is good.
If you're gonna say ONLY NOT Christianity, then you should also include Islam and Judaism in that.
Otherwise, if you aren't gonna also exclude them outright than you shouldn't exclude Christianity outright, it's ALL 'revealed religions" and monotheisms or none and include any belief system as being ok for black metal so long as it's black metal sound and dark emotions/atmosphere period
I'd've asked what kind of inspiration he got from his Abruptum work and how that impacts Marduk. I would also have asked if he can see parallels between the ancient Mesopotamian pantheons and his take on Satanism, or bronze age era war versus modern warfare.
Marduk es una de las mejores del Black metal 🤘🤘🤘🤘
Good interview! I'm seeing Marduk live next week. :-D
Morgan is so fucking right!!!
If bands even call themselves Black Metal, it doesn't mean that it's right, that they are really Black Metal.
Real Black Metal consists not only of fast playing-velocity, Corpsepaint, or Men, that are wandering around with some turned crosses or pentagrams...
The message has to be right.
It has to be dark and satanic.
The topics of the lyrics have to be bleak, true historical things.
Some stuff that you can think about, while listening to this awesome music \m/
Jon nodtveidt was the one and only
is that some kind of fallschirmjaeger jacket he's got on?
He kinda stumbled on the Immortal question
good interview
He really look like a bad guy, although I love Marduks songs especially Legions Era.
I love him. But the has to be an Interview only with Mortuus.
that's remnants of his corpsepaint probably
Iron Will Determination!
I wonder what his opinion is on Bathory then? He likrly is a fan. But Batjory while it had that pseudo-satanic{shock value} thing at first, after the first couple albums Quorthon took it into being Viking/pagan black metal.
Bathory was arguably the first band to have that DISTINCTLY BLACK METAL-ISH SOUND[WITH SOME THRASH/SPEED INFLUENCE MUSICALLY OF COURSE; the first cross-over band; sorry about the call caps, not yelling, accident ,too lazy to erase and retype} and the first to have the distinctly black metal vocals.
I think the origins of black metal as a genre and how it quickly developed suggests that it doesn't have to be specifically "Satanist/satanic", it can be anything ideologically, though there has always been a strong current of occultism and paganism{not neccaserily specifically Satanism} in it and also tendencies towards nihilism, misanthropy, angry, dark subject matter, not NECCASERILY 'Satanism".
Black metal (metal music glorifying black powers) is NOT the sound. It's spiritual concept, exploring left hand path . It's the ESSENCE regardless how you call it, black metal, evil metal, occult metal blah blah, music is only a form, which can be anything. Why should a band using tremolo and screech and singing about nature should be called "black metal" if doesn't deal with esoteric powers? sound can't be a foundation of musical genre and never was, it's post90s generation which twisted everything. Sound is only sound, be it Palm-muting or tremolo or arpeggio, it doesn't have any "objective genre" about it. It's only a technical tool to deliver a message. The same is in cinema, "genre" is a common motive and atmosphere, like "supernatural horror". But technical aspects like effects, make up, location, soundtrack etc. are different from movie to movie. So does musical sound differ from one black metal band to another, yet their message is the same. Take Root, Dissection, Parabellum or early Moonspell and compare them
But he does not mention theistic Satanism as a requirement, only a Satanic vision, which you can interpret in a number of ways. Case in point when he mentions Mercyful Fate. Everybody knows King Diamond is a Laveyan Satanist (thus not theistic) but it still fits in the Black Metal framework. For me, simply anti-christian lyrics is nothing that defines BM, at all. There is nothing "Black", nor evil, about being an atheist.
King diamond was theistic. laveyan was only his philosophy regarding social issues, but he stated there were the hidden powers (regardless of what human made term you want to use, Satan, set, Loki, Dionysius etc.) in the existence which should be treated with respect. The original lavey teaching didn't promote atheism, but deism
Tom Araya is Chilean.
Jesus guys got balls wearing that jacket in sweden is he trying to get gulaged?
how it was disappointing to hear of musicians with such an extensive career that does not want to accept as legitimate colleagues from similar metal sub-genre just because their articles are not based on Satanism.
I think it's a very nuanced thing. You'd have to ask about specific bands and whatnot. Rarely are these things entirely blanket statements, it's just that people tend to generalize to make messages easier to produce and receive.
I am not a metalhead. Just wonder why should someons worship satan? What is the point? I just dont get it...
I don't get why anybody worships any kind of God or devil, seeing that neither of them exist.
Grey haired Morgan xd
shiiit morgans got old
Morgan is getting old...good enough for the music though..
As much as I like Morgan he comes of rather stupid in this interview. So if you wanna play black metal you have to sing about satanism? So all the bands out there singing about darkness, nature, pre historic periods, atheism etc. are not black metal? Give me a break Morgan
I think he says this because of black metal has its roots in an antichristian philosophy, and the worship of Christianity's biggest enemy, Satan. I think that just because a metal band has the sound of black metal, doesn't entirely make them black metal, I think its a hand-'n'-hand combination of both the sound and the lyricism. I also thinks this concept works both ways, such as with bands like Ghost B.C where they don't have the sound, but they do have the lyricism.
He makes perfect sense. Black metal (metal music glorifying black powers) is NOT the sound. It's spiritual concept, exploring left hand path . It's the ESSENCE regardless how you call it, black metal, evil metal, occult metal blah blah, music is only a form, which can be anything. Why should a band using tremolo and screech and singing about nature be called "black metal" if doesn't deal with esoteric powers? People fucking twisted such a beautiful concept with their narrow erroneous limited perception
well for some weird reason black metal musicians tend to classify black metal bands by lyrics themes rather than music.
It can only be kvlt if it's revolving around satanism.
lol Rather for some weird reason so-called modern "metal subculture" tend to define "genre" by technical nuances (style) which doesn't make any sense. Because "genre" is inner content e.g. theme, message, spirit, which anybody can address by different aesthetical descriptions. The Omen, Suspiria and Cathedral of demons belong to the same genre/theme (fear of the unknown), one may call it "mystical movie", "demonic suspense film" or "supernatural horror movie". Technical nuances (photography, actorship, location, soundtrack) are very different though. That's the point of it. Marduk, Mercyful fate, Beherit or 92-94 Moonspell are the same genre regardless which aesthetical description one chooses to issue on it, evil metal, black metal, dark metal, devilish metal etc., but stylistically very different (riffs, vocals, mood, visual art, lyrical approach). It doesn't matter how you label stuff, it's about what it stands for, ya know. Emperor "Wrath of the tyrant" 92 tape had the following declaration in-scripted "9 tracks of devastating occult, evil Metal". They could have invented some other pathetic description like "majestic metal of darkness". Silly that people can't understand such a simple thing