And now gaming peripheral companies are trying to scam people with their $250+ plastic "custom gaming keyboard" when there are full aluminum customs that costs less than $200 total.
Yeah, that's exactly my point.... If I spent full price, it would would quite a bit more than the cost of the 128gb of DDR4 I recently purchased, which is literally the maximum quantity of RAM my motherboard can support. LoL And, given peripheral track records, it won't last more than a few years. That's why I'm astounded by this sector. 😂
Just get any mechanical keyboard that can be customized/isn’t marketed as “rgb pro gamer”. I genuinly do not know how dumb you have to be to buy a mainstream gaming keyboard 😭
@@Lenevor I spent hours, yesterday, researching the indie brands. You're basically looking at the same prices and features, pretty much. Magnetic is the most hyped, and it's not much better. Ergonomic is easily the most overpriced. Might do another video on some of this stuff... heh...
@@getivan You sure? None of the big brands (razer, logitech, steelseries, hyperx and etc.) have keyboards that are customizable. For the same price as the boards from those brands, you are looking at features like hotswap capability, better sound, better feel, and better durability.
@@Lenevor Yes, when it comes to performance, you would not believe how small the margins are... But, for hot-swapping or materials, and small custom features, yes, there are mostly small differences. I plan to do a follow-up video, demonstrating what I'm talking about...
WEAK hands will develop those kinds of problems. You are getting spoonfed a pile of marketing, and eating it down. Low-quality products, for insane markups, are not going to help you do better in games. Sensitivity can be easily increased at the software level... and that's definitely not the problem...
benchmarking has shown that these high end sensors are way more accurate and higher quality compared to those cheaper ones. having strong hands has nothing to do with ergonomics.@@getivan
if someone shows you a 800 dollar keyboard which is said to be super gamer ready never look at Ergonomic ones like Dygma Defy which can be 370 to 580 depending on feature count wireless, split design, tilt-able, fully programmable, RGB under-glow and has 16 thumb-keys so no pinky strain The company is a start up support by a donations an purchases
If the keys are high-quality materials, and are modular, with guarantees on the board life, then I might spend even more, but my issue is spending a large sum on something that is supposed to have 80mil stroke life, or whatever, and then it starts having stroke registration issues after a few years. I did the deepest dive, a few years ago, on chairs, because I was spending $250 on pleather chairs, and every two years, the pleather would start to peel, and the cushions would start dying, so every few years, that's $500. I did the research, and bought a nicer chair, with strong memory foam cushion, cloth covers, and hard rubber arms, and it has stayed strong and clean. At this rate, I will not have to buy another chair for many, many years, most likely. There are literally no signs of deterioration. So, it's the same thing, here. There are two paths. Either acknowledge that most of the keyboards, below $500, are going to have similar issues, and eat the cost every few years, while maybe saving by grabbing things at $100, or a little lower, like this HyperX I just grabbed. Or, go the route you're talking about, and identify a supreme board that absolutely won't need to be replaced for 10yrs. Obviously, I opted for the cheaper route, because it comes with significantly less risk. With the chairs, I can see and handle the materials, and the options are much simpler, and easier to perceive. With the boards, the options are much more vast, and it's almost impossible to tell if board switches are going to be however they are advertised. The amount of research I'd have to do, and the impossibility of handling those products, just makes that super high risk. So, I acknowledge, and respect that avenue, and I'm glad to hear all you have to contribute on the topic, but it really seems like a very longterm study, with very high risk. On one hand, I'd scoff at that design, because it's pretty dumb... but on the other hand, I do realize that I sit at an angle, and my wrist is angled, as a result, so I can see some reason to an angled board. I could just center my monitor, though, and square my angle, to solve most of the discomfort. I do recognize the pinky strain, as I live on CTRL, and that idea to move those keys down to the thumb is a pretty awesome innovation, and I WILL give it credit for that. (great idea) Moving the board aspect ratio, though, and turning the action, like that, surely can't make for a very efficient typing experience. That's almost something that needs to be re-trained, which I would not look forward to. I can also rest my hands on the desk, and arms of my chair. I've seen boards that minorly curve, inwards, and that seems like a less extreme design, which I'm guessing is more cost-effective. The underlights and the tenting are way overpriced, I'd argue, also. For just one of those, I can get one of these HyperX boards. However, it might be worth alleviating discomfort in the left wrist, in particular. I might have to think about it, do some research, and see if there's a cost-effective alternative. Anyways... interesting suggestions. I don't think it's worth the price, but it's definitely a better keyboard innovation, in a number of ways, which I greatly respect and appreciate! Thanks for your comment! 😅
I've been using the same Logitech G502 for 5 years now. Only problem I've had is corrosion forming on the metal scroll wheel and wear on the rubber sides. Edit: The scroll wheel is actually zinc.
@@getivan The raised lands have developed pitting on the surface where the finish has worn off, resembling galvanized steel. I think the wheel is solid zinc since it isn't magnetic. That being said, the mouse hasn't shown any issues aside from the cosmetic wear and will likely last for years to come.
For one thing there are plenty of cheap wireless mice now, so I do not think that complaining about wired mice now do not make any sense, just toss them, or just keep one for reserve. I am using a Hyper X alloy Origins 65 for a while now and I never noticed any humming sound.
I would consider wireless to generally be on a tier lower than wired, but I certainly handled some wireless products in this video, and that doesn't help the problem, here. It could be my specific board, or you might not be able to hear it, or my speakers might be hotter than the average person, since I run my sound through an amplifier. If you don't hear electrical feedback, then great... lol...
Looks promising! $180 is pretty similar to the above average lines of other brands, though. So, I'd take a long look at the specs, and compare. One of the main points, here, is that if any peripheral, of this class, is gonna fizzle after a few years, then it makes sense to operate somewhere close to $100, when possible... or less... per peripheral.
Thanks for the suggestions... The superlight sounds super light, which is something I'm trying to avoid. The pricepoint is also right at where the Corsair was... My last board was Apex 5, and I'm probably not gonna be getting anything Steelseries, for a while, as a result. Also, the pricepoint is very similar to a lot of other mainstream boards. If I can spend half that amount, and get something similar, I'll do it. (heh)
I talk about all kinds of things, here, that have to do with computers, dude. I've played games most of my life, but not as much as years ago, since it's such a waste of time, compared to other projects.
For Keyboards I recommend literally anything from keychron based on your layout and type preferences, they have made leaps and bounds in the space of affordable high quality products. It's still gonna be slightly more expensive than the products you referred to in this video but it's because the chassis are full aluminum. The plastic versions are much cheaper but still high quality.
Hey, that Q Series is pretty, man! Very Nice... Good Suggestion! Yeah, I just figured, if stuff is only gonna last a few years, then I might as well sit at this range, anyways. There's a huge margin on just getting that number pad, but I've reached down at-least 20 times, already, to type on that pad, and it's not there... lol... Concerned that I might need to get the bigger version with the numbers... 😅 Still debating on whether I just need to chill, or be a brat about it! 🤣
@@getivan Yeah bro for sure, that is what I like with the direction that peripherals have moved is that there is something for everyone and keychron is a great example of that, they have the V series which is plastic, but the Q series which is a bit more pricey but uses higher grade materials still has most of the same layouts and the like. I used to act as a vendor for custom keyboards/mice and the like so it's definitely nice seeing where it has come from back when some of the products you showed in this video were considered top tier. Gl with your uploads! 👍
also for mice the viper v2 pro and deathadder v3 pro are considered pretty top tier just because their sensors perform highly and lack of LEDS make the battery life last for quite a while. For the best performers though I'd look into VAXEE, WLMouse BeastX (130$ for a magnesium shell mouse is pretty good these days), and if you want a more budget option Darmosharks offerings are pretty good!
@@getivanif you want a long lasting keyboard get one with magnetic switches. Wooting, steelseries, and Razer make them. There's no rubbing since it's magnetic. Theoretically it'll last forever.
I think I sat and stared into space, for about 30mins today, questioning if there is truly any way to achieve predictable results, because of the fact this has acquired so few views. 😅 I had some great tutorials, over the past week, on really awesome processes, which got 50 views, and then a random joke video about keyboards somehow got 1k views, so then I spent a whole day and did this video, thinking it'd be great, and yet only 50 views... lol... My conclusion, at this point, is that it's a numbers game, and I should stick to keywords, and maybe try trends, because it's almost unpredictable what will get views! For sure appreciate you saying that, though, because I'm wrestling with it, myself! 🙃
And now gaming peripheral companies are trying to scam people with their $250+ plastic "custom gaming keyboard" when there are full aluminum customs that costs less than $200 total.
Yeah, that's exactly my point....
If I spent full price, it would would quite a bit more than the cost of the 128gb of DDR4 I recently purchased, which is literally the maximum quantity of RAM my motherboard can support. LoL
And, given peripheral track records, it won't last more than a few years.
That's why I'm astounded by this sector. 😂
Just get any mechanical keyboard that can be customized/isn’t marketed as “rgb pro gamer”. I genuinly do not know how dumb you have to be to buy a mainstream gaming keyboard 😭
@@Lenevor
I spent hours, yesterday, researching the indie brands.
You're basically looking at the same prices and features, pretty much.
Magnetic is the most hyped, and it's not much better.
Ergonomic is easily the most overpriced.
Might do another video on some of this stuff... heh...
@@getivan You sure? None of the big brands (razer, logitech, steelseries, hyperx and etc.) have keyboards that are customizable. For the same price as the boards from those brands, you are looking at features like hotswap capability, better sound, better feel, and better durability.
@@Lenevor
Yes, when it comes to performance, you would not believe how small the margins are...
But, for hot-swapping or materials, and small custom features, yes, there are mostly small differences.
I plan to do a follow-up video, demonstrating what I'm talking about...
Gaming mice are supposed to be light now. Wake tf up brother
Not really... lol...
Terrible design.
Get buff hands, I guess... 😅
Enjoy carpal tunnel noob lol
WEAK hands will develop those kinds of problems.
You are getting spoonfed a pile of marketing, and eating it down.
Low-quality products, for insane markups, are not going to help you do better in games.
Sensitivity can be easily increased at the software level... and that's definitely not the problem...
benchmarking has shown that these high end sensors are way more accurate and higher quality compared to those cheaper ones. having strong hands has nothing to do with ergonomics.@@getivan
@@getivanyou have absolutely no credentials or data to prove your absurd claims 😂
if someone shows you a 800 dollar keyboard which is said to be super gamer ready never look at Ergonomic ones like Dygma Defy which can be 370 to 580 depending on feature count
wireless, split design, tilt-able, fully programmable, RGB under-glow and has 16 thumb-keys so no pinky strain
The company is a start up support by a donations an purchases
If the keys are high-quality materials, and are modular, with guarantees on the board life, then I might spend even more, but my issue is spending a large sum on something that is supposed to have 80mil stroke life, or whatever, and then it starts having stroke registration issues after a few years.
I did the deepest dive, a few years ago, on chairs, because I was spending $250 on pleather chairs, and every two years, the pleather would start to peel, and the cushions would start dying, so every few years, that's $500.
I did the research, and bought a nicer chair, with strong memory foam cushion, cloth covers, and hard rubber arms, and it has stayed strong and clean.
At this rate, I will not have to buy another chair for many, many years, most likely.
There are literally no signs of deterioration.
So, it's the same thing, here.
There are two paths.
Either acknowledge that most of the keyboards, below $500, are going to have similar issues, and eat the cost every few years, while maybe saving by grabbing things at $100, or a little lower, like this HyperX I just grabbed.
Or, go the route you're talking about, and identify a supreme board that absolutely won't need to be replaced for 10yrs.
Obviously, I opted for the cheaper route, because it comes with significantly less risk.
With the chairs, I can see and handle the materials, and the options are much simpler, and easier to perceive.
With the boards, the options are much more vast, and it's almost impossible to tell if board switches are going to be however they are advertised.
The amount of research I'd have to do, and the impossibility of handling those products, just makes that super high risk.
So, I acknowledge, and respect that avenue, and I'm glad to hear all you have to contribute on the topic, but it really seems like a very longterm study, with very high risk.
On one hand, I'd scoff at that design, because it's pretty dumb... but on the other hand, I do realize that I sit at an angle, and my wrist is angled, as a result, so I can see some reason to an angled board.
I could just center my monitor, though, and square my angle, to solve most of the discomfort.
I do recognize the pinky strain, as I live on CTRL, and that idea to move those keys down to the thumb is a pretty awesome innovation, and I WILL give it credit for that. (great idea)
Moving the board aspect ratio, though, and turning the action, like that, surely can't make for a very efficient typing experience.
That's almost something that needs to be re-trained, which I would not look forward to.
I can also rest my hands on the desk, and arms of my chair.
I've seen boards that minorly curve, inwards, and that seems like a less extreme design, which I'm guessing is more cost-effective.
The underlights and the tenting are way overpriced, I'd argue, also.
For just one of those, I can get one of these HyperX boards.
However, it might be worth alleviating discomfort in the left wrist, in particular.
I might have to think about it, do some research, and see if there's a cost-effective alternative.
Anyways... interesting suggestions.
I don't think it's worth the price, but it's definitely a better keyboard innovation, in a number of ways, which I greatly respect and appreciate!
Thanks for your comment! 😅
Dygma Lab is the youtube channel that explains everything about it @@getivan
Yeah, I saw a couple of their videos, but they have some serious drawbacks, so that's not gonna work.
Led me to looking at some other stuff, though...
nice that is the point of the channel after-all hehe @@getivan
I've been using the same Logitech G502 for 5 years now. Only problem I've had is corrosion forming on the metal scroll wheel and wear on the rubber sides.
Edit: The scroll wheel is actually zinc.
holy shit ive never seen rust on a mouse before thats gotta be crazy
@@finlandd Logitech used a solid metal scroll wheel on the original g502.
Yeah, that's about the lifespan I have observed from my peripherals.
Rust on the scrollwheel, though?
That's wild...
@@getivan The raised lands have developed pitting on the surface where the finish has worn off, resembling galvanized steel. I think the wheel is solid zinc since it isn't magnetic. That being said, the mouse hasn't shown any issues aside from the cosmetic wear and will likely last for years to come.
@@TheMsdos25 bro let it die already xD
For one thing there are plenty of cheap wireless mice now, so I do not think that complaining about wired mice now do not make any sense, just toss them, or just keep one for reserve. I am using a Hyper X alloy Origins 65 for a while now and I never noticed any humming sound.
I would consider wireless to generally be on a tier lower than wired, but I certainly handled some wireless products in this video, and that doesn't help the problem, here.
It could be my specific board, or you might not be able to hear it, or my speakers might be hotter than the average person, since I run my sound through an amplifier.
If you don't hear electrical feedback, then great... lol...
what are your thoughts on the wooting 60he?
Looks promising!
$180 is pretty similar to the above average lines of other brands, though.
So, I'd take a long look at the specs, and compare.
One of the main points, here, is that if any peripheral, of this class, is gonna fizzle after a few years, then it makes sense to operate somewhere close to $100, when possible... or less... per peripheral.
They do this for a prophet on people
Yeah, pretty much... a profit, even... 😅
just get a GPX superlight and Apex Pro TLK 2023 and boom perfect combo
Thanks for the suggestions...
The superlight sounds super light, which is something I'm trying to avoid.
The pricepoint is also right at where the Corsair was...
My last board was Apex 5, and I'm probably not gonna be getting anything Steelseries, for a while, as a result.
Also, the pricepoint is very similar to a lot of other mainstream boards.
If I can spend half that amount, and get something similar, I'll do it. (heh)
@@getivan the superlight actually has great build quality and while being only 63 grams
the apex 5 is pretty bad compared to the apex pro 2023
these keyboards are awfull, mouse as well, as especially GAMING HEADSETS with so much garbage sound presentation...
do u even play games man why talk about peripherals
I talk about all kinds of things, here, that have to do with computers, dude.
I've played games most of my life, but not as much as years ago, since it's such a waste of time, compared to other projects.
To be fair it’s pricey because of the brand name 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, that was one of the primary assertions of this video... 😅
For Keyboards I recommend literally anything from keychron based on your layout and type preferences, they have made leaps and bounds in the space of affordable high quality products. It's still gonna be slightly more expensive than the products you referred to in this video but it's because the chassis are full aluminum. The plastic versions are much cheaper but still high quality.
Hey, that Q Series is pretty, man! Very Nice... Good Suggestion!
Yeah, I just figured, if stuff is only gonna last a few years, then I might as well sit at this range, anyways.
There's a huge margin on just getting that number pad, but I've reached down at-least 20 times, already, to type on that pad, and it's not there... lol...
Concerned that I might need to get the bigger version with the numbers... 😅
Still debating on whether I just need to chill, or be a brat about it! 🤣
@@getivan Yeah bro for sure, that is what I like with the direction that peripherals have moved is that there is something for everyone and keychron is a great example of that, they have the V series which is plastic, but the Q series which is a bit more pricey but uses higher grade materials still has most of the same layouts and the like. I used to act as a vendor for custom keyboards/mice and the like so it's definitely nice seeing where it has come from back when some of the products you showed in this video were considered top tier. Gl with your uploads! 👍
also for mice the viper v2 pro and deathadder v3 pro are considered pretty top tier just because their sensors perform highly and lack of LEDS make the battery life last for quite a while.
For the best performers though I'd look into VAXEE, WLMouse BeastX (130$ for a magnesium shell mouse is pretty good these days), and if you want a more budget option Darmosharks offerings are pretty good!
@@getivanif you want a long lasting keyboard get one with magnetic switches. Wooting, steelseries, and Razer make them. There's no rubbing since it's magnetic. Theoretically it'll last forever.
feels criminal to have a video with this quality with so little views
I think I sat and stared into space, for about 30mins today, questioning if there is truly any way to achieve predictable results, because of the fact this has acquired so few views. 😅
I had some great tutorials, over the past week, on really awesome processes, which got 50 views, and then a random joke video about keyboards somehow got 1k views, so then I spent a whole day and did this video, thinking it'd be great, and yet only 50 views... lol...
My conclusion, at this point, is that it's a numbers game, and I should stick to keywords, and maybe try trends, because it's almost unpredictable what will get views!
For sure appreciate you saying that, though, because I'm wrestling with it, myself! 🙃
Man, your comment really started something... lol... 10x'd the views, today! 😃
luled so hard seeing razer in the first seconds
Did you spot the Easter Egg Scyther? 🤣