When i was in my mid 20's, a guy I was working for bought a lowboy trailer like yours. It had about a 3-4 inch sag. The guy who fixed it did as you did except he didn't clamp or weigh down the strap he was welding on. He welded one end and worked his way to the other end. As he welded the strap down he welded a few inches at a time, swapping sides as he went. These welds were about a foot apart. You could see the far end of the strap move sideways a few inches as he made the welds. Welding on the right side move the end left. Weld on the left the end would move right. He worked along and when he got to the other end he had the end line up centered and welded it in. He explained that as the strap move left and right it also got longer. After he welded the far end down and the strap cooled offo it did it's best to return to it's original length. When we got it flipped ribber side down, you could see the trailer didn't sag the 3-4 inches, it bowed up about 5-6 inches. I was amazed by this. Welding the steap on the bottom bent to sag out and bowed the trailer up about 10 inches.
WOW.... This whole episode was a blast from the past. I learned stick in Highschool almost 45 years ago. Vince is awesome, and I am really enjoying this project.
Rich, you recently inspired me to do an engine swap on my vehicle. The old engine's crank snapped. My first thoughts were to scrap the vehicle or pay to have a replacement engine fitted. The sense of satisfaction doing it myself was immense! Thank you
I know you're a busy man, but I think that rusty old forklift has earned some brakes and fresh paint. Can't wait to see how the trailer comes out, though!
Forklifts deserve nothing. They are to be used like rented mules and replaced with another from the auction when they can't be coerced into working any more. It was nice of you to think about it though.
Nice wheels. Whenever I buy new rims the first thing i do before mounting them is to give them a ceramic coating front and back. Keeps them looking nice from the start.
hi Rich. I worked for a logistics company in the 1980’s. We rebuilt a couple of our trailers during a slow time. We had a couple of trailers that we put the arch back in the frame. We did it by raising the middle and weighing down the ends. As we slowly moved the middle we had a guy on each side heating the frame with torches. It worked very well and got the correct arch on single drops, doubles and a couple long flatbeds. We always chained the axles to the bed before lifting to prevent damage to airbags and brake components.
Been there. Actually cut out and replaced the cross members in a couple of lowboys over the years. One we worked on in our spare time and it took almost a year. But it’s still running 12 years later.
would love to have some extra work welding in the field, I remember doing this stuff as a kid with my dad, learned a ton when I was younger, Keep it up Rich!
Welding stick is like meditation for me, it's like smoking a pipe, you cant hurry it, it takes the time it takes. Spent a day weldin new edge on a old cat 930 bucket with 4mm OK 48:00 (7018) Totally happy
I'm native Buffalonian and have 1st cousins who are native Windsorites. It's a trip hearing you and the other locals chat cuz it's basically like seeing those cousins
As for the grease, maybe some zerk fittings would have allowed for pumping it in after the welding. A few ground grooves on the surface would help it spread. Weld up the zerk holes or some grub screws after.
Should have used 7024 and used that largest rods your machine can run. The extra heat and larger rods will help give some pull to the weld and help give more bend to the trailer. Plus it will weld faster.
Awesome video Rich, thank you. The hours invested will pay off, and give a bigger sense of accomplishment vs writing a cheque for a new trailer. Looking forward to the next update.
Aww Rich, he doesn't outsource anything anymore, he works with his own hands too much. He should enjoy the benefits of building a profitable business and brand and kick back a bit ;) You're an inspiration to the us hard working guys. All dozen of us.
@@DGHD I was joking about what you said at the end of the video. I think it's crazy that people think that you're not working on your own stuff anymore! It seems like a lot of my generation doesn't know the satisfaction of a hard day's work. Just remember to always rest on the seventh! Even God took a day off
Rich, get your daughters one of those kitchen-knife strip-magnets - they are great for picking up steel from large areas! You might end up broke though, when you have to pay them!.. :)
He knows how to do it. As I'm a engineer and have been doing this for 45years since I had first started doing this wielding and then I've got my own personal experience business with working on cars too bigger truck's
@@DGHD yeah, a little. But we had a similar sized loader and chained a 2 tonne concrete block in the bucket and used it to ram 5" bore pipe in the ground as fence posts in Central Queensland. I dented the bottom of the bucket smashing these pipes into the ground! There's not a huge amount of pressure out there.
Rich is correct. Trailers are rated at concentrated load in so many feet. Usually 10, 12, 16 feet. Very few trailers are rated in 4 to 5 feet. The longer the length of the rating, the more deflection you will see with a load in a short length of concentration, like a coil. I don’t find a loading concentration spec in their literature. Maybe it’s on the I.d. tag on the neck. In any event, Rich was headed in the right direction. Take care.
I understand using stick since it's what you have (and works very well), but dual shield would work extremely well too if you have still enough air. You'd likely get 2-3x the weld speed for the same size weld. Of course, it does require the right equipment, but there's a very good reason why it's popular for heavy fab.
Very Cool, gotta go buy some hats to support the channel, and the calendar, the clock is sweet too , can you plasma ( or arcdroid ) cut a bottle openers and put in on the store
I have a 1974 Muv-All lowboy with a steel deck, 8.25 x 15 slit rings and hydraulic dovetail. I initially wanted to swap to 17.5 but for what I want to do with it, it’s simply not worth the cost. I’m replacing the chambers , breaks, sandblasting the wheels , new tires 🛞 and breaks , new paint and call it done ✅
After the ordeal of cleaning up my '60 Ford F100 after decades of oil and dirt accumulation. I can completely respect the effort. It can be a motivation killer. Not that this is the case for you. Look forward to the next video.
Nothing better than getting in the painting groove and this oh there is something, thud there is something else!! The only way you would have gotten the belly out of that trailer would have been to actually pull the loader on the trailer, takes quite a good chunk of weight to get them to move.
Well,what a transformation you and gang have worked well on this,agree with Vince stick is best by a long shot love the channel regards from Scotland 👍🏴🇬🇧
If you use aluma clear it works wonders on rims we do it to our dump trucks dried mud dust rocks and a quick wash no scrubbing they always look beautiful
There is a proper cooling jacket available. It has pockets inside for cooling gel things. I bet it would work ace for you. I have done the opposite and popped a hot water bottle into a back pack and put a coat over the top :o)
guts are in another project. It will be on the other channel. I just can't get rid of it until the other project is done as you always need something you did t think about
Nice ! If I lived in Canada, I would give you a few hours. Always less stressful doing labour on other peoples projects. Surprised you don’t have a few volunteers !
The trailer is coming along great. I was really surprised how much rust came through that primer. Obviously a porous primer. Looking forward to the tan paint.
Rich, great video as always. I love both channels and my tape boss. Thanks for telling us about paying your girls a quarter for each piece of metal. I'm gonna try that with my tiny humans now it's brilliant. Keep up the great content Sir.
Great trailer! Made better by your sweat equity, you have to have so many hours in labor! I look forward to the finished product. A tri axle. So many wheels, tires and brakes, Ahhh😮, its going to look so great. Yes, the mosquitoes are plentiful this year. Little prices. 🥴✌🏻🇨🇦. Thanks for sharing Rich 👍🏻.
Looks great, if there is any paint left over the forklift could do with a splash of black and lose the ratrod look, freshen it up! It's the quiet workhorse in the yard, needs some love
Looks good Rich! I'm just old enough to remember my first welding lessons being taught to drive stick welders, as MIG still wasn't all that common/mainstream.. Also remember that when my stick welds came out shitty I got punished by finishing the job with acetylene and rods! Didn't learn MIG until much later. I still find TIG to be dark magic and have to practice for an hour anytime I pick one up. BTW, good to see Vince the Prince of Molten Metal! PS: Speaking of torches, to this day I still find fire and puddle guns extremely fun to use, taking any chance I get to blast some cast iron 😁
Hindsight is 20/20 but I wonder if you could have injected the grease after you welded everything. Install grease zerks at regular intervals on the underside. Just a thought if you ever run into this situation again. I like the 25 cents reward for the steel found in the driveway…brilliant!
Hay a product that i found is calld strike hold its a gun cleaner and protectant but it dried i use in in mn ony truck frame to stop rust. Also you can applie it under paint to protect against rust it bonds with the metal. Fantastic product would have worked well under the plates. Also its not an oil and it roesnt collect dust
That spray suit is an issue if it cant breath, I bought one called a Shoot Suit because the backside is made to breath. I've shot bed liner in a 26 foot box trailer and survived...they aren't cheap but they last and can be washed.
I was cringing when you put the grease down, I get where you where you were going but it will just melt and mess up your welds, as you discovered. Great having a guy like Vince to help you out, he knows his craft. Go Vinny!
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Good on you Rich wearing hearing protection. De-scalers are insanely loud.
Never considered the amount of work involved in building up a trailer...but its WAY more than I thought.
When i was in my mid 20's, a guy I was working for bought a lowboy trailer like yours. It had about a 3-4 inch sag. The guy who fixed it did as you did except he didn't clamp or weigh down the strap he was welding on.
He welded one end and worked his way to the other end. As he welded the strap down he welded a few inches at a time, swapping sides as he went. These welds were about a foot apart. You could see the far end of the strap move sideways a few inches as he made the welds. Welding on the right side move the end left. Weld on the left the end would move right. He worked along and when he got to the other end he had the end line up centered and welded it in. He explained that as the strap move left and right it also got longer. After he welded the far end down and the strap cooled offo it did it's best to return to it's original length.
When we got it flipped ribber side down, you could see the trailer didn't sag the 3-4 inches, it bowed up about 5-6 inches. I was amazed by this. Welding the steap on the bottom bent to sag out and bowed the trailer up about 10 inches.
Rich, you need to give that poor old forklift some love.
Nice job Joel! Your Dad must be proud!
I texted him pictures of the weld and told him he should be proud, and Vince definitely is!
Nice to see it coming together
While you're working I like the fact that you actually take the time to explain what you're doing. Keep up the good work !
WOW.... This whole episode was a blast from the past. I learned stick in Highschool almost 45 years ago. Vince is awesome, and I am really enjoying this project.
Next time you're putting two layers together, instead of grease, try weld through primer. Makes for a good sealant, and won't bugger your welds up
The audio sounds better to me not sure if you changed anything but it sounds great!
Rich, you recently inspired me to do an engine swap on my vehicle. The old engine's crank snapped. My first thoughts were to scrap the vehicle or pay to have a replacement engine fitted. The sense of satisfaction doing it myself was immense! Thank you
Congrats man, that's awesome!
Great work Rich! Tons of work, but the result will be worth it.
Rich, you’ve taught me patience. One step at a time and do it right. Great job! Keep it up.
When you said $10K for rims and tires I was thinking you'd gone insane. But a decent lowboy in good shape is upwards of $50K! Crazy like a fox, Rich!
And tyres are a consumable
I know you're a busy man, but I think that rusty old forklift has earned some brakes and fresh paint. Can't wait to see how the trailer comes out, though!
Forklifts deserve nothing. They are to be used like rented mules and replaced with another from the auction when they can't be coerced into working any more. It was nice of you to think about it though.
@@cornrichard apparently rich agrees. Hahaha
I will get to it, but everything in time. it still works as it should
This is my favorite channel
Nice wheels. Whenever I buy new rims the first thing i do before mounting them is to give them a ceramic coating front and back. Keeps them looking nice from the start.
hi Rich. I worked for a logistics company in the 1980’s. We rebuilt a couple of our trailers during a slow time. We had a couple of trailers that we put the arch back in the frame. We did it by raising the middle and weighing down the ends. As we slowly moved the middle we had a guy on each side heating the frame with torches. It worked very well and got the correct arch on single drops, doubles and a couple long flatbeds. We always chained the axles to the bed before lifting to prevent damage to airbags and brake components.
Been there. Actually cut out and replaced the cross members in a couple of lowboys over the years. One we worked on in our spare time and it took almost a year. But it’s still running 12 years later.
Don't listen to people talking trash. You know what you do man.
That's a lot of work. But it's worth it when the trailer matches the K100 in the end. Great job!
I hope you have a lot of other welding work ahead, Vince is super pleasant to listen to :)
Heavy hauler here and I would pull that lowboy any day! Impressive work ethic!
Thank you! that means a lot
would love to have some extra work welding in the field, I remember doing this stuff as a kid with my dad, learned a ton when I was younger, Keep it up Rich!
Welding stick is like meditation for me, it's like smoking a pipe, you cant hurry it, it takes the time it takes.
Spent a day weldin new edge on a old cat 930 bucket with 4mm OK 48:00 (7018)
Totally happy
have a couple coffees on me!
thanks Adam, much appreciated!
@@DGHD your welcome rich!
Good Ole needle gun! Lots of lessons learned with that guy.
I'm native Buffalonian and have 1st cousins who are native Windsorites. It's a trip hearing you and the other locals chat cuz it's basically like seeing those cousins
Awesomeness. You are one hard working guy.
that OBS is the coolest truck on youtube, bar none.
As for the grease, maybe some zerk fittings would have allowed for pumping it in after the welding. A few ground grooves on the surface would help it spread. Weld up the zerk holes or some grub screws after.
Should have grit blasted it ! right grit, right pressure and it WILL come off ! Nobody ever saw drips fall off Rich !!
Rich works his ass off, and you can hear that he is tired when he talks! Nice work the trailer is going to be AWESOME!!
Great job so far, what a ton of work!! Keep the videos coming, this is Alan, GREETINGS from Southern California.
It's starting to take shape, looking a 100% better than when you brought it home. When your finished it will look like a new one as the Kenworth does.
Should have used 7024 and used that largest rods your machine can run. The extra heat and larger rods will help give some pull to the weld and help give more bend to the trailer. Plus it will weld faster.
Awesome video Rich, thank you. The hours invested will pay off, and give a bigger sense of accomplishment vs writing a cheque for a new trailer. Looking forward to the next update.
fluuxcore mig welding wire is a winner in this sort of situation
Aww Rich, he doesn't outsource anything anymore, he works with his own hands too much. He should enjoy the benefits of building a profitable business and brand and kick back a bit ;)
You're an inspiration to the us hard working guys. All dozen of us.
I enjoy the work. Keeps me in shape, and proud of the work
@@DGHD I was joking about what you said at the end of the video. I think it's crazy that people think that you're not working on your own stuff anymore! It seems like a lot of my generation doesn't know the satisfaction of a hard day's work. Just remember to always rest on the seventh! Even God took a day off
Rich, get your daughters one of those kitchen-knife strip-magnets - they are great for picking up steel from large areas! You might end up broke though, when you have to pay them!.. :)
Rich! Another great video. Your boss is a hard ass!…lol.
He knows how to do it. As I'm a engineer and have been doing this for 45years since I had first started doing this wielding and then I've got my own personal experience business with working on cars too bigger truck's
Doing it right . Takes time , to get rid of bad , too years to get that way . Always time to tighten up on welds !
Coming along nicely, everyone should have a Vince around :)
That trailer is designed to carry the entire loader! Not surprised the bucket full of gravel did nothing.
And loader pressing down
@@wobblysauce that's still a total of maybe 15 tonnes. For a trailer designed not to sag with 30 tonnes loaded on it.
yes, but point loads would be spread over 4 points, ose to the ends. putting all the weight in the middle on one point is completely different
@@DGHD yeah, a little. But we had a similar sized loader and chained a 2 tonne concrete block in the bucket and used it to ram 5" bore pipe in the ground as fence posts in Central Queensland. I dented the bottom of the bucket smashing these pipes into the ground! There's not a huge amount of pressure out there.
Rich is correct. Trailers are rated at concentrated load in so many feet. Usually 10, 12, 16 feet. Very few trailers are rated in 4 to 5 feet. The longer the length of the rating, the more deflection you will see with a load in a short length of concentration, like a coil. I don’t find a loading concentration spec in their literature. Maybe it’s on the I.d. tag on the neck. In any event, Rich was headed in the right direction. Take care.
Great Job Rich so far on getting ur Lowboy Trailer finished.
I understand using stick since it's what you have (and works very well), but dual shield would work extremely well too if you have still enough air. You'd likely get 2-3x the weld speed for the same size weld. Of course, it does require the right equipment, but there's a very good reason why it's popular for heavy fab.
Cannot wait to see the finished project! Great group of people who’ve been working with you.👍👍
Very Cool, gotta go buy some hats to support the channel, and the calendar, the clock is sweet too , can you plasma ( or arcdroid ) cut a bottle openers and put in on the store
I have a 1974 Muv-All lowboy with a steel deck, 8.25 x 15 slit rings and hydraulic dovetail. I initially wanted to swap to 17.5 but for what I want to do with it, it’s simply not worth the cost. I’m replacing the chambers , breaks, sandblasting the wheels , new tires 🛞 and breaks , new paint and call it done ✅
After the ordeal of cleaning up my '60 Ford F100 after decades of oil and dirt accumulation. I can completely respect the effort. It can be a motivation killer. Not that this is the case for you. Look forward to the next video.
I like to use a weld descaler. With all the pins, it does a better job. And fits better into the corners.
Well, a lot of work but like me you're getting up there in age. The work is good for us.
Nothing better than getting in the painting groove and this oh there is something, thud there is something else!!
The only way you would have gotten the belly out of that trailer would have been to actually pull the loader on the trailer, takes quite a good chunk of weight to get them to move.
Great job Rich!! Enjoy seeing progress on this monster job you have undertaken!!
You know people are going to complain about anything while sitting on their butts not doing anything! Think you do a good job, keep it up.
Well,what a transformation you and gang have worked well on this,agree with Vince stick is best by a long shot love the channel regards from Scotland 👍🏴🇬🇧
If you use aluma clear it works wonders on rims we do it to our dump trucks dried mud dust rocks and a quick wash no scrubbing they always look beautiful
You should do a meet and greet and grab a grinder for the labor projects like this
Back when I was a kid, there was a TV programme "Paintalong with Nancy "I see a sideline here, "Weldalong with Vinnie"....
Nice Job Rich!
Looking awesome
Total respect for your work ethic ingenuity and persistence. Very well done 👍
All good things take time, dude..
Totally awesome!!
There is a proper cooling jacket available. It has pockets inside for cooling gel things. I bet it would work ace for you. I have done the opposite and popped a hot water bottle into a back pack and put a coat over the top :o)
Keep up the good work Rich.👏🏻👏🏻
Great video
Looks good so far 👍
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Thanks for the video 😊
Oh man! Is that the Leaf in the in the junk yard?
Environmentally disposed of 😊
guts are in another project. It will be on the other channel. I just can't get rid of it until the other project is done as you always need something you did t think about
Looking good Rich!
Looking at all the flash rust coming up one might ask exactly how thin were you diluting the primer Rich 😂😂
If you always prep this way before paint, 60% of the time, it works everytime. Lol
Good job.
Nice ! If I lived in Canada, I would give you a few hours. Always less stressful doing labour on other peoples projects. Surprised you don’t have a few volunteers !
The trailer is coming along great. I was really surprised how much rust came through that primer. Obviously a porous primer. Looking forward to the tan paint.
Rich, great video as always. I love both channels and my tape boss. Thanks for telling us about paying your girls a quarter for each piece of metal. I'm gonna try that with my tiny humans now it's brilliant. Keep up the great content Sir.
don't forget to charge them for leaving lights on
Great trailer! Made better by your sweat equity, you have to have so many hours in labor! I look forward to the finished product. A tri axle. So many wheels, tires and brakes, Ahhh😮, its going to look so great.
Yes, the mosquitoes are plentiful this year. Little prices. 🥴✌🏻🇨🇦.
Thanks for sharing Rich 👍🏻.
Looks great, if there is any paint left over the forklift could do with a splash of black and lose the ratrod look, freshen it up! It's the quiet workhorse in the yard, needs some love
Maybe try wiping down material with acetone just before primer? I do believe it helps make primer more adhesive
If you’re daughters are like my granddaughters you might go broke from paying them for picking up the steel bits. 😂😂😂
Looks good Rich! I'm just old enough to remember my first welding lessons being taught to drive stick welders, as MIG still wasn't all that common/mainstream.. Also remember that when my stick welds came out shitty I got punished by finishing the job with acetylene and rods! Didn't learn MIG until much later. I still find TIG to be dark magic and have to practice for an hour anytime I pick one up. BTW, good to see Vince the Prince of Molten Metal! PS: Speaking of torches, to this day I still find fire and puddle guns extremely fun to use, taking any chance I get to blast some cast iron 😁
Hindsight is 20/20 but I wonder if you could have injected the grease after you welded everything. Install grease zerks at regular intervals on the underside. Just a thought if you ever run into this situation again. I like the 25 cents reward for the steel found in the driveway…brilliant!
Weldable POR15, is good stuff.
What’s are the plates for underneath? Is it just a wear plate for if the trailer bellies out?
just the plates will stiffen it, with or without weight
Hay a product that i found is calld strike hold its a gun cleaner and protectant but it dried i use in in mn ony truck frame to stop rust. Also you can applie it under paint to protect against rust it bonds with the metal. Fantastic product would have worked well under the plates. Also its not an oil and it roesnt collect dust
Mad respect!
can you plasma ( or arcdroid ) cut a bottle openers and put in on the store
I reckon the air chisel works good to on rust jacking
I was wondering why you put the plate steel on the bottom of the frame are you trying to put camber in it? Nice job.
Did you get the positive arch back in the trailer. It should have about 5in arch in it
How come that there's no chains on the axles?
cause if you manage to over extend a lowbed axle and break sht you deserve the costs.
That spray suit is an issue if it cant breath, I bought one called a Shoot Suit because the backside is made to breath. I've shot bed liner in a 26 foot box trailer and survived...they aren't cheap but they last and can be washed.
Much respect
Sweet! A new video!
It’s only been 6months since the last trailer video
took 7 weeks to get camshafts for it. welcome to 2023
hello dghd it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks friends randy
I was cringing when you put the grease down, I get where you where you were going but it will just melt and mess up your welds, as you discovered. Great having a guy like Vince to help you out, he knows his craft. Go Vinny!
And its going to be a bigger project than you thinking of okay