All the Walls in the World, Mapped
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In 1989 the world had less than 12 walls, we know have more than 70. How did this happen?
00:00 - 00:40 - Intro
00:40 - 01:00 - Wall building to the max
01:00 - 03:37 - What is a wall?
03:37 - 04:07 - We have a lot more countries now
04:07 - 05:25 - Fortress of Asia
05:25 - 06:49 - Not everyone agrees with Putin
06:49 - 08:54 - States completely walled in
08:54 - 11:31 - Walls in the Western world
11:31 - 13:02 - Do walls work?
13:02 - 14:24 - Conclusion
Sources: docs.google.com/document/d/1A...
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Extremely questionable that you’re working with an Israeli company.
@@towerprep45 Not really questionable. Dude has to earn his bread
Collaborate with the b1m
The captions saying “Arab security” when he said “airport security” was interesting
I mean for a time, it is true
LMFAOOO
RUclips uses AI for the captions
@@nekomi_ch2001
@@dylanjones4267 duh
Hahahaha that ad section 😂😂😂
the. best. segway. ever.
It’s probably top 5 ad transition I’ve seen. Might even be number 1
Was so gold lol
Only Slovenia is Poor Man's Switzerland . Meaning you do not to be rich like Trump for good restaurant meal. And is nice, tidy and clean.
I@@Homer-OJ-Simpson it must've been good, I didn't catch it.
9:05 nijn-eleven really had a profound impact on the world
It was a huge moment
It became the gimme moment the National Security State apparatus prayed for! 911 gave the NSS the excuse to destroy Iraq, et al, to grab its gold and oil and subsidize munitions makers to the tune of billions, all paid for by US taxpayers who "can't afford: health care, college education, social security, public transport, clean water, green projects, etc., etc. Too heartsick to go on. What a con! When will folks wake up?
Be well.
at the end of video the vlogger slapped answered to own face the question he pitched in opening of the video with swag.. O india made border walls with Pakistan... the reason u confessed at end of video is why Pakistan didnt build that side of border walls... Also cuz Pak doesnt shy away from being challenged ... 1948 Pak created new borders by taking Gilgit, Baltistan and 1/3 of Kashmir (1/3 of remaining belongs to China too [ladakh]) ... 1971 created a new Muslim state cuz india could NOT capture it like Pak did away with 3 above said states...
Did you actually come to Sevnica in Slovenia just to film the advertisement section? 😁
Maybe.. ^^
at the end of video the vlogger slapped answered to own face the question he pitched in opening of the video with swag.. O india made border walls with Pakistan... the reason u confessed at end of video is why Pakistan didnt build that side of border walls... Also cuz Pak doesnt shy away from being challenged ... 1948 Pak created new borders by taking Gilgit, Baltistan and 1/3 of Kashmir (1/3 of remaining belongs to China too [ladakh]) ... 1971 created a new Muslim state cuz india could NOT capture it like Pak did away with 3 above said states...
feels like a johnny harris video
He has a video on him, I recommend it 👀
This is not a compliment and I agree
@tuppot money & macro did a very good video on JH I highly recommend
Because of the level of production or because it doesn't fit your ideology? It's one thing I've noticed watching many different channels, especially ones debunking other youtubers (which this channel has done to Harris's channel). Reading comments really shows people are more concerned with the content matching their beliefs rather than the objective reality fueling the content itself. If it's the former, that's not a bad thing. I don't agree with everything Harris puts out, and he has done some shotty journalism (I'm not a fan of his seemingly pro-WEF stance), but his production quality is great. If it's the latter, get lost. Preferably in a place with walls so you can find your way back to sensibility.
@@prof.mikerotchburnsphd.4915 The production value of Harris' videos were good. The research is where it lacked. This channel seems to do better in that regard though.
Detailed deep-dive on something I hadn't thought about much + smooth production quality. Good work! May the algorithm bless this channel.
Appreciate it!
@@ThePresentPast_use # to get more reach
Agreed
at the end of video the vlogger slapped answered to own face the question he pitched in opening of the video with swag.. O india made border walls with Pakistan... the reason u confessed at end of video is why Pakistan didnt build that side of border walls... Also cuz Pak doesnt shy away from being challenged ... 1948 Pak created new borders by taking Gilgit, Baltistan and 1/3 of Kashmir (1/3 of remaining belongs to China too [ladakh]) ... 1971 created a new Muslim state cuz india could NOT capture it like Pak did away with 3 above said states...
@@mi1400 you are the definition of a brain washed person.
No 1 during the war for Kashmir, India still captured the 2/3 of Kashmir's land that's why India was proclaimed as the winner of the war.
No 2 During the war of 1971 the war was against Pakistan in which Mukti bayni (Bangladesh leberation group) took help of Indian army and got trained by them to fight against Pakistan and get freedom and then India also joined later, which resulted in Pakistan surrendering 93k soilders (one of the highest in history of world) that war was won by India.
India plan was never to capture Bangladesh, that's why it was the first to recognise it as independent country.
"Before I built a wall I’d ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offense." Robert Frost, the Mending Wall
Previously, the East Block made the walls, now the West Block makes the walls 🤣What an irony and a miracle. We have 5x times more iron curtains today than when the Soviet Union existed.
Trump: Mexicans
Cartel members and IS fighters
6:05 Georgia hasn't built any walls. It's Russia who has fenced some sections of the occupied territories (Georgia's separatist regions of Abkhazia and ''South Ossetia'') out of the rest of Georgia, cutting villages, farmlands, cemeteries... The ongoing process is called ''a crawling occupation''.
Previously, the East Block made the walls, now the West Block makes the walls 🤣What an irony and a miracle. We have 5x times more iron curtains today than when the Soviet Union existed.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwaTimes change and so do geographies. Nothing "ironic" in that
This video is wrong.
My house has walls
Keep up the good work! The videos are getting better and better
The countries with the best relation don’t have walls, the countries that hate each other have walls
4:36 there isn't any wall between India and Myanmar, in fact there is a free movement agreement between village people of both the countries to cross into other upto 30 kms, although this might soon be changing, as the civil war in Myanmar is resulting in increased armed migration, which is causing ethnic conflicts inside India and a "Wall" or a fencing is under proposal, although it would take years to implement it if at all, as there is disagreements from the state governments. I am from Siliguri Corridor, the chicken's neck region in India, so I am just kilometers away from Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan and China. And each is different, while Nepal and India has complete free movement, For Bhutan, you need a little more entry checking, but those are only at the specific border gates, in other places the borders are just rivers and one can easily cross into the other. With China there is one entry point(Nathula which is part of ancient Silk route) and only trade between locals are allowed. Bangladesh is different case, as it's mostly fenced and guarded, illegal migration has come down over the years, but cross border smuggling(of cows, fake currencies, arms, gold and all sorts of stuff) is rampant, also some terrorists move between the 2 countries when they feel unsafe in one. However, international organized trade happens between not just India and Bangaldesh, but also from Nepal and Bhutan through the Siliguri corridor. Also, Special bus and train(both passenger and cargo) services run between the 2 countries though multiple entry points.
I'm trying to cope with the fact that a guarded border with Bangladesh has curbed human migration, but not cow trafficking 😅
India is building wall with Myanmar to stop refugees fleeing civil war as the rebels captured more border outposts
@@biedisunizlietne because villagers are allowed to take their animals into grazing for few hours of the day..some of them have grazing or farming land in the other country...they take advantage of it...also, some just release them into rivers in nightime where there is no fencing. Human migration has come down from millions to few thousands, but it's not stopped.
@@Amuzic_Earth Ah, okay! Interesting that they have grazing fields across the border and are being let across to graze - it sounds like a very local-friendly approach to borders, which is nice.
@@biedisunizlietne yes. In India a lot of rules are flexible to cater to people across different level of economic and social strata. That's the reason you see a lot of supposed "bad things" such as slums, people loitering in railway stations and uneven build ups in city streets. Those slums are people encroaching on govt lands because they couldn't otherwise afford homes, those people loitering in the railway stations couldn't afford hotels to wait for their trains, those uneven building are there because if a strict building code and inspection law is incorporated, there won't be enough buildings built in time to keep people from being homeless etc etc. In other countries they are just kicked in the balls and ended up homeless or in institutions. This is why when PPL outside of India complain about why it's so chaotic, we collectively roll our eyes. We just traded off external forms and symmetry in exchange for basic functionalities...that's all.And before you say, why their situations are not being alleviated, yes it is, the people in those conditions are not a static layer, people In different layers constantly move up in social and economic ladders...but it's a huge population and the number of people in the lower rungs is steadily decreasing.
Good fences make good neighbors.
There is no way you just said "dirty foreign country" and didn't get cancelled
He was being sarcastic to show how westerners talk about foreign countries
Why are we addicted to walls?
Because they work.
Keep telling yourself that. Recall a little something called the Berlin Wall? Folks flew, dug, crashed, swam, etc., through it just to get across.
Again, the Border-industrial complex has grown into a multi-billion-dollar industry. A few millions invested in brainwashing and indoctrinating those who pay for it is a _very_ small price to pay.
Be well.
Okay, this wins for the best ad / commercial of the year. Wow, brilliant, witty and funny!
Good fences good neighbors
On your map, there was a wall in the Alps between Italy and Austria. I am from that region and have crossed the border there countless times. I have no idea where you got this from but this border wall doesn't exist
There is a border fence on the brenner pass. Its not very long but its there. Unfortunately there is no data that accurately has the length of all the border fences everywhere! That's why the legend says 'Border (partly) walled'. www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2022/733692/EPRS_BRI(2022)733692_EN.pdf
@@ThePresentPast_ it was to stop money smuggling.
That nijn eleven slide killed me
You are not first here.🎉
No need to rub it in😭😭
A wise man once said that tall fences make for good neighbors. Boundaries are good and walls keep the peace. Turns out that that orange man was right because without him America's Southern border has turned into a nightmare. And you should probably learn to get used to him because roughly half of America love him they don't like him they love him and he is very likely to be around for the next 4 years. Thanks for the video it was thought-provoking
Trump is a criminal and a patsy for Putin. Half of Americans don't trust or like him.
The wall on the border between Greece and Turkey was necessary because, in addition to refugees, other people were also entering Greece, such as many illegal immigrants who, according to statistical data, created many problems such as an increase in crime and the movement of drugs.
You guys smarter than Biden!😊
@@hackman669hes talking about Greece, migrants coming in the Us are making the economy better and most of the time don’t commit crimes.
@@ni9274 This is the furthest thing from the truth as of recently. They are completely draining the US economy crashing it to the ground because there's millions of people rushing to the border cause Sleepy Joe promised they would get everything for free without contributing to society.
@@ni9274 wall is not against people who came legally to the country to live and work at.
Nooit heb je een Nijntje meme gebruikt
oh jazeker
As ugly as the walls are, it is every country’s right to protect its borders and its people. Enough with this utopia of everyone being able to go anywhere.
I agree.
I live in Texas, and the issues with our borders are very real. The reality is that it is not just "migrants" coming across but also our enemies freely coming across too. People that legitimately want to do harm to us Americans.
And before I hear the asylum excuse, per International Law, they are supposed to stop in the first safe country. Last I checked, Mexico is still (mostly) safe. And if they weren't, then we have all the more reason to enhance our border.
@@troybaxter Similar thing here in Spain, but we do not have the possibility of a wall. I live in the Canary Islands and around 200 people arrive in boats every day in precarious conditions. The government still keeps figures and data hidden from the public, but it is estimated that around 60000 people arrived illegally through the Canaries LAST YEAR. If we had the possibility of building a wall and guarding it, i would not think about it twice.
@@r-pu4md it really is a shame. Makes you realize how little our governments care about their people.
Did you miss the point of these videos ? These walls do not work either way and do more harm than good
@@troybaxterCan you provide proof that a significant portion of the people who go through the border want to destroy America ?
Your country was built upon immigration and immigration is a net good for your economy,
More Walls please!
Amazing video Jochem, the editing is really top notch. Would you mind sharing with me which program you've used to make the 3d scenery that appears from minute 3:39 onwards? And maybe how much time did it take to create such a scene? I'm trying to gauge whether it would make sense for me to make such advanced animations on my channel
Thank you, its all Blender. It has quite a steep learning curve but I am happy I got into it. Gives a lot of creative options and it is 100% free!
Very interesting video. Thanks!
One small correction at 9:50 - Ireland is not in the Schengen Area, unfortunately. Another (but older this time) problem caused having a land border to the UK, but mainly because of the historical Common Travel Area agreement with the UK.
this border wall lobbying in the us reminds me of the credit mobilier scandal
The Berlin wall had genuine no mans lands, like snipers and land mines. That is how worked so well.
You always discuss history through such interesting and unique topics! Another banger
Hey! You should make a documentary of Communist Poland, as people only focus on East Germany.
is there a finalised world map with the walls that we can see?
For all Humanities history there where Walls to keep people safe !
The fact we forgot them showing how much better the ancient people where after all 🤔🤔
saying life in eastern germany wasnt so bad its like saying prisioners doesnt escape because they have enough food and free healthcare and free bad etc. just google east germans prague 1989
Yeah, this guy is an idiot
I thought he was being sarcastic at first
There are a lot of countries with walls and even more with ceilings.
1:00 The *most satisfying* two-second film sequence I've ever seen 👌
There’s walls in my city dividing neighbourhoods which have provided a fine canvas for many the mural 😃
Ukraine-Belarus boarder can be also considered a wall. It’s mined and secured af
Alright😂
It should include the so called ‘peace lines’ in Northern Ireland
What do buildings contain, walls. How many countries have buildings, all. So every country has many walls
Checkmate
Watched on Nebula, I love your videos! I came here to read the comments and was surprised that your comments on Israel weren't what caused so much controversy lol
You forgot the Great wall in China, Hadrians Wall, Citadels such as the Vatican
We need more, better, longer, higher, thicker walls.
What are you talking about? Sevnica is almost trivially easy to get to. And yes, walls work and so does immediate deportation.
Why does the "Do walls work" section completely ignore pro-wall arguments, such as the statistics from Hungary, clearly showing that illegal crossings fell to basically zero after their wall was built, and asylum claims disappeared?
Very interesting, thank you!
Dankjewel! Je kanaal groeit als kool, mooi om te zien.
You are a shameless copycat
You are a shameless copycat
You are a copycat
Good walls make good neighbours.
Nice job
The wall topic is really interesting but I never thought of it.
Awesome video!
I didn't know Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore even had walls in the first place as a Malaysian.. cause border cross between each other is relatively easy compared to the other walls listed in this video
Yes, we need walls
Well said. Well said.
Sorry, but what is that wall in the middle of the Alps (09:56)? It looks like it follows Austria's southern border but there is no wall at all.
of course there isn't, austria italy and slovenia are schengen area countries
A wall is something to protect the people or to block out something or to look nice 👍
Walls or fences?
South America and Oceania seeing this: 😎👍
Invisible walls is an interesting partisan way to describe foreign aid.
If I thought of something correctly, during the Cold War, the Iron Curtain was the most militarized border in its time.
guess what,, my house has walls and fence.
The walls will crumble to history, they always do
6:27 thanks for sparing me the 120000 year history lesson 🤗
"Funny, when I was a boy, Imperial walls and towers used to make me feel so safe."
What a great idea for a video
I don’t think there are walls along the entire deserts of Uzbekistan. I couldn’t find this in the sources. Do you have a source for the map?
"We sould rather give money to the migrant countries to fix their problems " yes because all the billions that was sent to africa made such a difference.
you should leave US alone
you should leave US alone
you should leave US alone
Africa isnt one homogenous country
You cant generalize all of africa as being a lost cause
africa is an interesting case where all the leaders are revolutionairies who were incompetent or batshit insane rendering them crippled and weak
Now in modern generations we are seeing africa stabilize more
@justamoroccandude2588 you should leave this guy alone
The problems with old population is that young people don't want to have kids because of how hard it is and the risks. The solution is not to bring new people, it's to make people want or can have kids.
I'm pretty sure that the border between Finland and Russia doesn't have a wall or even a fence on the entire length of it. Most of the border is wilderness. There are some parts that do have a fence.
Immigration is a complicated problem to say the least. I've long thought that a decrease in legal immigration difficulty along side an increase in the consequences toward illegal immigration may assist to some extent but that doesn't really address the often dire needs of folks we need to quickly leave their country of origin.
But immigration often leave the country the folks are leaving worse off (unless they are workers who send remittances back to their families). The brain drain is really hampering developing countries from well... developing: those who are most likely to leave are wealthier and better educated which are exactly the kinds of people a country needs to develop.
Then you have the human trafficking and other illicit activities that frequently accompany illegal migration. Let alone terrorists and foreign powers sending spys and such.
You can look at what China is doing to S. Korea: they are sending millions of people over to S. Korea to effectively colonize certain areas to increase the voting base: playing the long game to change the political environment to one they can more easily manipulate.
Homeboy just delivered a university level lecture👍🏾☝🏾💪🏾😯
What music do you use
No idea what you were trying to say about "Real Australia", wtf that is..
12:36 the funny thing is (according to some papers) treating depression with pills works just as well as pills + cognitive therapy (or just cognitive therapy)
It's a weird comparison because he seems to be against walls, but SMRIs help people and it totally makes sense to take them prior to and during working on other things.
Yay. Keep em out
Nah, didn’t see my garden wall anywhere. Click bait!
we need a vid on dutch dams and polders etc
I could, but theres already a lot of them out there right?
Lekkere reclame! Daar blijf ik voor kijken 😂
"What is a wall" Hell if I know
In theory, walls serve an important purpose. If there is a problem in one region/country, the most resourceful people are forced to stay there to solve those problems instead of running away.
In my opinion, on the one hand, assistance to illegal immigration should be strict, and people who crossed the border illegally should be sent back. On the other hand, a work permit system should be created for contract workers. So that these employees can invest and spend the money they earn in their countries, improving their lives there.
So what is your neighbourhood policy?
India - walls
Je hebt ook echt die nijn-eleven meme gebruikt😂
9:22
Hmm something seems off..
Australia has a dingo fence?
waar heb jij dat boek vandaan aan het begin?
Groetjes Luc uit maastricht.
very cool video‼️‼️‼️
Atlas name?
I don't care about the usa elections, this video is not supposed to be about that, why does it have so many references to it?
Btw I'm from Spain and I'm glad we have a fence in the border with Morocco, I only wish the control on the fence was way more effective
made it in just 20 seconds
I dont get why didn't you wait for one more week until that video also released so people will watch that too
sponsor contracts
Can anyone tell me the instrumental at 3:12 ?
I can't believe you forgot the largest continued borders on earth in Morocco
Yes, walls work. Walls are not perfect. Why do people have doors on their houses? Doors can be broken. It’s not that deep. Think you went into this with preconceived notions. Would’ve liked to hear more about obscure border walls, their appearances, and the surrounding tensions. You forgot the massive, growing Egypt-Gaza border wall. The 1600+ mile border between Pakistan and Afghanistan for example has been credited with curbing attacks, smuggling, illegal entry in a volatile region. Legal immigration definitely needs reforms in the West. However, countries can’t just open their doors and let people walk in unvetted.
Hey there, I agree that countries can't just open their borders. I'm just not convinced walls work to stem it. One thing I could have showed more is how walls can freeze conflicts. Like in Belfast, Cyprus or North Korea (and Pakistan and Afghanistan, I haven't researched that particular wall enough to say something about it). They definitely don't solve conflicts but they can stop flare ups.
@@ThePresentPast_ True, that's another interesting aspect. There're also several variables when determining the effectiveness of walls. The Mexico-U.S. border for example is not continuous. One major gap, The San Judas Break, went viral on Chinese TikTok earlier this year. Over 4 days in Feb., CBS 60 Minutes witnessed nearly 600 migrants - adults and children - come through the 4-foot gap at the end of a border fence 60 miles east of San Diego. 37,000 Chinese citizens were apprehended as they illegally crossed the border last year. The Mexican government recently setup a checkpoint at San Judas. Now people will just cross in another gap. Other questions remain about border walls such as: How easy and common is it to create a gap in the wall? Can officials be bribed? Do geographical formations or weather deter crossings in certain countries? How to stem ocean crossings? Does the country have net immigration or net emigration? Does stricter legislation in countries help deter? Are certain building materials less effective? Do certain governments secretly help crossing for cheap labor? And if not a wall, then what? The uniqueness and complexity about each border makes wall effectiveness difficult to judge. Anyways, thanks and keep up the good work always an entertaining watch!
@@aeternitasnox5151 bs comments, probably a sockpuppet
@@bobloblaw10001 I have absolutely no idea what you mean.
@@aeternitasnox5151 Google works
really fascinating process on a topic I don't think has been covered nearly enough!
Johnny Harris ?
Another excellent video. Everyone talks about the pull factors of migration and refugees, not enough is looked at the pus factors.
The West could go back to occupying those countries. Is that what you want? Sending money to the Eritrean government will 100% make things worse.
People complaining about trumps wall:
Iraq, Pakistan:
Thanks for the info and your time researching this dreadful issue. That said, the causes of immigration have origins in colonial/imperialist policies. In the Americas the fascist elites from the US have captured most foreign governments in the American global "south" (GS).
Possibly with the exception of Cuba and Venezuela. US bankers' terms via the IMF and the World Bank dictate that for the sake of "balance of trade," i.e. to get their hands on US dollars, GS countries can only grow export crops that the Global North can't grow due to its climate (or export raw resources, i.e copper, lithium, oil, rare earths, etc.).
If GS countries want to eat, they have to import food from US Big Ag corporations. When drought or civil unrest undermines export cash crop, or extracted resource demand plummets, locals either starve, rebel or leave (This has become a worldwide phenomenon). Since the first two end up in certain death, immigration becomes the better "option."
There, geo-political finance explained in three paragraphs. Look up _Confessions of an Economic Hit Man_ or any books/RUclips videos by professor Michael Hudson.
Be well.
Yeah, it’s irritating me slightly that this isn’t actually spoken about. This person only seems to consider the side of Europeans who had everything handed to them on a silver platter. I’m half Zimbabwean. If my mother hadn’t immigrated to South Africa I never would’ve existed. Or I would’ve likely grown up poor with shit healthcare and a terrible way of life.
Westerners always talk about how we have to “help the third world”, but they’re more than happy to turn a blind eye and just ship away unwanted visitors, many of whom suffer in their countries precisely because of unwanted visitors (brutal murderers) from Europe. Immigrants are people. It’s not just unfortunate that we don’t often experience an equivalent way of life to the west, it’s unacceptable.
Aside from that it was a really interesting video. Just could’ve done with a bit more realism.
You generally provide factual, relatively unbiased information, however, in this video, your desire for a world without borders seems obvious. Regardless, the primary reason we have more walls is simple: more people. The rise in walls coincides with the increase in population: for a couple centuries now, the world population has doubled about every 50 years, and about 50 years ago is when that figure resulted in those people spreading enough to essentially ram into each other.
Our beginnings, that is, the reason we have compartmentalized races and cultures, and WHY those two are so intrinsically linked, is because separate, small groups of people evolved relatively isolated. When those peoples started branching out, different races/cultures started meeting, trading, and often clashing, which led to the first walls designed to keep people out, rather than just animals. And the reason for that boils down to one simple reason: culture. Or more specifically, cultural values. When those align, we have relative peace. When they don't, we have war. Yes, it is the few powerful that wage it, but only because the masses allow it. And they allow it, when the "enemy" is culturally incompatible with them.
That is as true today as it has always been. The difference is that we are so many now, virtually every single group of people with a unified culture is slammed up against one or more others. In the EU, this is generally not much of an issue, because generally, those cultures have intermingled for so long, they are generally aligned in terms of cultural values, and thus get along. That is what allows things like the EU and passport-less travel to exist: Someone of French culture can go to Spain and generally fit in with the cultural values that exist there.
The problem is when bordering cultures do NOT share the same values. While France and Spain may be mostly culturally aligned, a liberal West culture that is tolerant of free expression, particularly with women being free and wearing revealing outfits, is not going to do well next to a culture that still practices Sharia law, requiring its women to cover up head to toe, and assign them as property of their men. Those two cultures are diametrically opposed, and, as such, integration of those cultures will inevitably lead to conflict: severe conflict in the case of that specific example. This can clearly be seen in large metropolitan areas of Sweden, where ethnic Swedes have recently become the minority, which has coincided with a massive increase in violent crime. It is because the culture of Sweden is simply incompatible with the cultures of many of the migrants Sweden has accepted in the wake of several recent wars in the Middle East.
And that is why the world is building walls. A world without borders is a pipe dream that only exists in a made up world where everyone gets along. The problem is, we don't. Many cultures that exist today are simply not compatible with each other. Cultures that believe in freedom and equality will never be able to live in peace with those that do not, because those two belief systems are mutually exclusive: You cannot have both. As a result, the only answer for peace is for those two cultures to remain separate from each other, hence, walls. Separation is, frankly, the only solution to keeping two incompatible cultures at peace, while still preserving the beliefs of each culture. Pouring money into the "poorer" one isn't going to make the two cultures compatible.
Thanks for the long comment. I respectfully disagree. My main thesis is walls dont stop migration so why are we building them. I highly recommend reading up on the history migration in How Migration Really Works by Hein de Haas.
There have been plenty of reasons for war , just attributing this to only cultural differences is too simple.
While the population of the world has been rising the number of migrants (about 3% right now) has not. Actually it has been around 3% for decades. And legal migration is vastly outnumbering refugees.
The difference is that in the 1800s and early 1900s the dominant migrant groups were Europeans moving to the new world. Millions upon millions of Irish, Germans, Italians and others moved away from their countries.
But they were all the same cultural groups right? Well in America in 1900 they would respectfully disagree. The biggest wars in the European continent have been fought between Catholics and Protestants. Violence and discrimination against Jews has been endemic in European history.
To just keep it at the USA, the people there talk at that time about Irish and Italians as inferior races that will dilute the protesant Americans. Even the lutheran germans that kept together with their german newspapers and german traditions were seen as a group that would never integrate and were eyed very suspiciously during WW1.
Now as after WWII Europe changed from net export to net import. Because the economy and living standards improved. Which lead to labour shortages and economies trying very hard to get labour. First from places like Spain and Italy, then Turkey and Morocco.
Legal migrants are the vast majority, they come because there is a demand for them. The upsurge in migration to America in the last decade is mostly because there is a big unfilled demand for low to midskilled labour.
When you build walls you also make seasonal migration harder. In the 90s Mexicans that used to work for a few months and move back were now forced to relocate to the states.
I am not saying there are no problems. However I think these problems have more to do with economical status and opportunities than supposed incompatible cultural differences. I believe that in 40 years noone will talk about the incompatibility of these cultures.
@@ThePresentPast_ You are welcome. I am always up for a good debate. With that, I have to point out that I think you are treating the world as you would like it to be, rather than how it is. More on that in a second, as I want to address your comments in the order you made them:
1. I am honestly not entirely sure what exactly you disagree with, as I see "My main thesis is walls don't stop migration so why are we building them" juxtaposed with "When you build walls you also make seasonal migration harder" ... well which is it? Do walls work or not? The answer is yes they do, just not 100%.
To answer your question directly, we build walls because they are at least partially effective, by your own admission. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. ... And I think you know that. What I am suggesting is that most of the people who make the "walls don't work" argument, are making it in bad faith. Most people who make that argument do not take issue with walls being ineffective, but rather, with them being too effective, as they usually believe in open borders or at least a more lax immigration policy.
2. Sure, war, and the reasons for it, are complex. But I still hold that most wars are waged, and allowed at least in part due to the ease of dismissing cultural values different than your own.
3. No idea where you got your 3% figure from, but more on that in a later point...
4. I never said Europe was culturally aligned in 1800-1900, nor did I suggest America was culturally aligned with the Irish or the Italians during the same period... Not sure where you got that from. If anything, their treatment due to their cultural differences simply reinforces my point. What I DID suggest is that over the last 50 years, Europe, along with most of the West, has become fairly culturally aligned, hence the existence of things like the EU.
5. "Legal migrants are the vast majority" teeing off your 3% figure... This is simply not true... In 2022, America gained 1 million new legal immigrants, coupled with 2.76 million undocumented ones... and those are just the ones we know of. So that argument is absolute nonsense. The wall is desired to wrangle that number in, as it is nearly 3 times the amount of legal migrants.
As for the belief that America desires immigrants to fill low-mid skilled labor, I happen to disagree with that as well, as historically, US immigration policy has primarily targeted higher skill areas, like the nursing migration wave from the Philippines in the 70's, and refugees. American immigration policy has never specifically targeted low skill labor. America simply pays better and has more opportunity, attracting low-skill illegal migrants, who in turn are used as lower cost options, creating an unhealthy feedback loop.
6. Finally back you what I believe is your overly optimistic view of humanity: I cannot for the life of me understand how you think the cultural differences of the West vs cultures enacting Sharia law are not the major issue, particularly in Europe. Ignoring, for the moment, that you did not address this incompatibility at all, I am curious exactly how you believe no one will talk about this in 40 years? Sharia law has existed for centuries, and is based on a literal take on the black and white text of the Quran. Currently, 15 countries rule under Sharia law: Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, the Maldives, Malaysia, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen, encompassing 1.22 billion people, or, 15% of the world's population. How exactly is the cultural view of women as property clashing with the exact opposite view of the West supposed to just disappear in one generation?
Bullshit, the walls are there for security and protection of the welfare state.
When your neighbor is aggressive and you are, too, that not any less reason to build a wall. People built tons of walls throughout history while having the same "values". The reason they don't need them in Europe today is because both sides generally have GOOD values and are good places, not that they're "compatible".
Is that neo’s animation?
walls are good, but we also have to make sure they arent welcome when they pass through them. Nothing against the people, it just that we cant make it paradise for people just because the broke through a fence. That undermines the whole system
Wow I love Sweden now