Why NATO Switched to the HK416
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The HK-416 rifle is quietly taking over the world as one of the most widely used primary weapon systems! This all started back In 2007 when Norway was the first country to widely adopt it for their conventional force, grabbing more than 60,000 rifles. Fast forward ten years and In 2016 France began swapping out their FAMAS for the when they placed just a massive Cosco size bulk order of 117,000 rifles.
Now they were on a rolls because only A year later in 2017 the entire United States Marine corps switched to the HK416. They’ve since acquired 14,000 of these rifles to their front line combat roles. But you might not have heard about it because they made tiny adjustments to the weapon and renamed it to the M27 IAR, Norway put an N at the end of the name and France tossed an F to throw us all off. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck and shoots like an HK416 then it's probably an HK416.
The rabbit hole gets even deeper as we continue to dig. By 2021 the German military made the call to switch to the HK416 by ordering 118,000 of the rifles. But they named it to the G95A1 but it’s basically the same exact weapon with some minor improvements and upgrades. That’s a grand total of at least 309,000 rifles ordered under one name or another. That's not even including the dozen or so special forces units who run the weapon - which means it's found in at least 30 different countries.
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Could you please make a video of the polish M762 Beryl assault rifle, take your time sir I'll be waiting 🙏
God bless the non-terrorists
mustache is looking good
In the ocean… AWESOME SIR! Now can u compare the HK to the new Sig that the US is swapping to. Would it had been better to just change the caliber to the 6.8? If even possible. Thx honky! Keep up the cool vids for us call of dooty nerds😂
The HK416 really is the result of HK actually understanding why no project to replace the AR-15 worked in the past. The US military, regardless of what they asked for, just wanted a better m4.
The US military wanted a better american made M4, that was the issue.
Arkady Kalashnikov stopped to listen to the guys working at the coal face to hear what tools they needed to get the job done. I'm working on an engineering project and have to continuously impress on the crew that the task needs a tipper truck, but they always try to steer the project towards a farrari. Perhaps the perennial failing is that the design team leader tries to be high performence and elegent, whilst forgetting that this tool gets down and dirty.
I'm not aware the AR-15 was ever in military service.
Every M4 and M16 is an AR-15 pattern rifle @@damianm-nordhorn116
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503and now they’ve got a bunch of guys running URG-I’s and other dope, modernized M4 style rifles with mid length gas systems and mlok handguards and all the stuff that competition shooters and civilian sport shooters were driving the market on
I knew it was a big deal when France, a country that insists on as much domestic stuff for their armed forces as much as possible, selected the HK416 as its service rifle to succeed the FAMAS.
The US Marines originally just wanted the straight up HK416 but faced hurdles to get it. That's how the M27 came about as a tweaked version of the 416. The Corps then said that it just wanted it to replace the M249 SAW. Then later wanted it for every one in an infantry squad with it. It's one of the weirdest roundabout ways to get a rifle in general issue that I seen the Marines have to do. They wanted the 416 bad.
Well and for now HK became French corporation (French has the most of HK stocks)
France chose the 416 because the government armament procurements agency wasn’t sure France small arms’ manufacturers could provide in sufficient numbers in the timeframe and take care of for a 30 years old or so the number of rifles it needed. Contrary to Cold War Era when it was national arsenals and factories providing the weapons, such as the Famas, the ships, the tanks etc., nowadays it is the private sector. Unlike other more important sectors, France ´s small arms manufacturers aren’t as much of an important sector for the defence because they aren’t a national defensive priority.
So France searched for the best deal, and the best deal was offered by HK.
To expand on that, it actually does make sense for France and Germany to have joint ownership over a firm like this that will provide a very good small arm to the wider EU and the world. German engineering strikes again.
The manufacturer that made the FAMAS closed down in 2000 so France has no means to mass produce firearms anymore.
@@brunol-p_g8800 People had so much more money to spend in cold war era. Today we spend tax cash to make billionaires instead having a nice state owned factory making the weapons and lowering taxes with the profits they made with exports.
Carried the M27 in Afghanistan. It slaps. You can use it as a shitty dmr, and I never had it jam. Also way easier to clean
When you cleaned the weapon did u spit on it?
@@Token_Black_Guy His gun isn't your mom lol
@@fireice8 dude ure hilarious 😅
Thanks for sharing and thank you so much for serving, sir
But was it really worth dumping the SAWs? (honestly curious)
holy shit I never thought about it
the HK416 is the new version of the FAL
it literally is the right arm of the free world
Most people get blown up not shot so not really the "right arm"
@@basiliskwardroid shhhhhhh
I wanted to make same comment
The FAL is op in so many games, idk about irl tho
@@basiliskwardroidExplosives are the big d*** of the free world.
Last time I was this early, the Taliban didn’t have night vision.
Or black hawks, Mraps, m4's, Humvees, SAW's, millions of NATO ammo rounds, m16s, M2 Browning's, american made sniper rifles and on and on and.....
Thanks Trump
🤣
@@psilobom lol
@psilobom trump did it while Biden is In office during it... the logic.
Two words. IT FUCKS
As a United States Marine, who has been issued this weapons system, i can say in confidence its the best damn rifle I've ever had.
I believe you, but I want info and proof if you are willing. I don’t want you to, like, Dox yourself or something lol, but like, where have you been using it? What role are you in? What experiences have you had with the rifle that made you like it so much? What’s it like to use it all the time, like the “day-to-day” aspect of carrying it, maintaining it, and using it? Do you like it more than a normal M4?
@@rondobrondo Relax
@@rondobrondoNice try china
It’s shit tho, over gassed, heavy, is a piston gun with a buffer tube 🫤
Does everything worse then a block2 or urgi in a similar package
@@rondobrondoFSB agent on his first day
The Marine Corps basically uses this as their primary arm now lol
For infantry, yes 416s. The wing, logistics, and supporting units for the infantry still have M16/4A1 and will for the forseeable future.
Those Germans know a thing or two about building awesome weapons.
And they've had nothing but problems with it XD
@@chaoschaoforever uh? When may I ask?
@@chaoschaoforever Like what?
"These guns are more run-through than the chicks at the AVN awards"
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The HK416 getting fame,
A certain individual who died on may 2nd,2011: What can I say except youre welcome!!!!
i thought it was delta force who used it against eliminating ISIS leader.. Or did devgru used it too in eliminating OBL?
Shuda got OBL advertising Bud Lite - might have worked better.
@@SuperMetal4Evayee
@@SuperMetal4Eva Devgru used it on OBL, idk abt the delta force thing, maybe that too
you believe that bsthey refuse to release a photo of his raid.let alone him being shot like they claim😂 cause he looked eww 😂
Of course they wait 40 years after my ETS to come up with a beautiful rifle like this. I had to settle for an M16A1 back in my day.
Thanks for your service
You ran the M16 through its paces so your grandkids and great grandkids could use the HK416 to defend Democracy, good sir.
we had it way easier than you guys, idk how yall managed with shitty optics and no mod rails
I too, carried the M16A1 Mine was made by H&R
dont worry. They are not switching to it. Its too expensive. 3-5k vs a 800 FN M4
Saying that the HK has a 1MOA accuracy while the M-16 and the M4 have a 4MOA accuracy is a bit misleading. Most AR type rifles will relatively easily achieve 2 MOA. The minimum excepted accuracy for the army and the marines is 4 MOA as the rifling in the barrel degrades. which No Doubt will be the same standard for the HK 416.
Idk about that, HK makes some of the best barrels in the known universe and their machining tolerances inspire NASA
its because of the non free float barrel and the use of m855. The precision of the platform has been tested numerous times, and the marine corps used new rilfes in the M27 trials to have a fair comparison between the two platforms. The "official" story according to the USMC is that the M4 has a 4-6 MOA, an average at 4 at the LOW end, with M855. TFB actually leaked the still classified (lol) data by WTBN if youre ever interested in checking it out.
B-b-but the M4 is American and I want the American carbine to be better!
@@065Tim One is taking a number from marketing and the other is a number derived from then minimum standard.
@@MaseratiChris556 tighter tolerances = more wear.
I have to ask what environmental conditions the DoD considers 'gay'.
navy ships
Rear echelon :/
Cali.
Fruit Loops downpour with rainbows
HQ😂
It's like you're forcing me to get one at this point
Twist my arm already.
NATO peer pressure
He's like pointing a gun to my head and saying: "UUSE THIS GUUUUUN!!!"
One important points that wasnt mentioned. HK is one of the very few companies that can actually fullfill a conctruct of 100k rifles in a reasonable time
I learned about the HK 416 watching Future Weapons as a kid.We have great allies! 🇩🇪🤝🇺🇸
I saw the same episode and thought to myself, can't wait till that comes out to the Civilian market. I bought one back in 2012 off the Gun Broker website while I was contracting in Afghanistan. Still have it today, it's the Queen of my Gun safe.
I mean it's just a short-stroke gas-piston AR15, that happens to be made by H&K and costs H&K money.
Dude. Thanks for saying it.
Lol...Devil's in the details
Norwegian here. I have one. They are great.
Lucky ass. What branch are you in
Alt for Norge! H7
Even the home guard has them these days. We traded in our trusty old hand cannons for these plastic toys a few years back. It was a welcome upgrade.
@@fnorgenYou get to keep your weapon at home?
@@mattconley541 (Norwegian) Regulations on conscription and home guard service § 87. It requires the soldier to store weapons, ammunition and other personal equipment
German infantry weapons seem always to have been, taken together, the best made and best thought-out as a combined arms -ensemble (since eg the Silesian sharpshooters and 2-ib infantry guns) through to WWII (3 or 6 MG34 per platoon, SMGs and later a scoped rifle for NCOs) .. MG3s and HK-416s are about as good as you can get if you want combined MG plus AR/SMG performance for defence/close range attack ..
It's all good and dandy until you see the G36...
MG3 is an outdated gun. Very, very good for its time but today it's just heavy, clunky, incompatible with modern attachments and awkward to use in comparison. I was in the German Army and had to carry this thing and was glad when we switched to MG4. It's just the better MG for infantry.
We now use the MG5, which is even better than the trusty old h-saw. No HK416s yet, still rocking the 1996ish standard G36
@@luzifer960MG3 was a brilliant gun when I trained with it. It purrs.
@@etuanno The G36 is overengineerd, like a sciefi gun :D
The 416 isnt really 1 MOA, they're more like 2-2.5, and the M4 and M16 standard was 3 MOA, with some exceptions being tighter or worse.
That is an interesting assertion and I am inclined to agree with you. However, one of the things I think is kind of loose in discussions about MOA is how MOA is being defined in the mind of person talking about it.
When people say something like, “this rifle is capable of 2.5” MOA,” there is a lot of information missing in the statement. Manufacturers publish “MOA” in advertising copy all the time and, of course, they are going to determine that figure under ideal conditions. Even when you are talking about what most shooters can achieve with a particular rifle, there is still a lot of information missing. The rifle probably isn’t clamped in a vise, shooting off a bench, but is the rifle, resting on sandbags, on a bipod, from a foxhole, or is the shooter prone unsupported? What ammunition is being used, and what other factors apply such as wind, temp, etc.
My impression is that you are right - under standard military qualification range conditions (up to light rain and light to moderate wind), shooting from a fighting position or prone, resting on sandbags, firing government issued ball ammo, and a rifle (M16 descendant) they were assigned out of their unit’s arms room, most people can get their group down to about 5 inches at 100 yards.
@@ColdHawk I think it's disingenuous for anyone to assert a MOA figure without also mentioning the ammunition used to achieve that MOA.
Hk416 is just a sexy ass rifle
Ass rifle?
oo la hooah
I can hear the GFL fans muffled cheering in the distance
@@Spearralol, same here
I’m one of those gfl fans
@@SpearraI'm surprised our existence was acknowledged
Ar-18
You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.
Well, I mean, the G36 is just an AR18 as well. All HK did here was stick a G36 in an M4 rather than a weird fish shaped shell like the XM8. And mostly just to screw with FN and the SCAR. Which is also an AR18.
It's all AR18s and always has been.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I will always look down on all AR-18 derivatives. We could’ve had Armalite be a staple of the gun industry, providing fairly compact and cheaply made rifles in an intermediate cartridge to NATO in the 60’s. But we didn’t. But now we get all these knockoffs that everyone wants. Sincerely, an original AR-180 owner.
the HK 416 is not even inexpensive.
technically no because the buffer tube spring, right?
The SigSauer Rattler surely has way less range and is a lot more expensive to shoot than the HK416. That's only going to be the weapon of choice for very specific operators.
Sig fan boy found
The Rattler is a nice rifle, most units buying MCXs are going 10" or 14" versions.
Problem is H&K doesn't seem particularly interested in selling 416's to US civilians.
Important - the only reliable issues of the G36 were that german politics didn`t understand that an assault rifle is no LMG
There were issues with reliability, poor accuracy and a breaking down of the plastics in hot, sunny environments.
@@BearClawAK47 and multiple militaries, like the latvian, did multiple test runs and found out, that it dosent have any issues.
@@BearClawAK47no there weren’t. They were disproven. But it was too late, the public and politic already had a bad opinion of the rifle.
As Well as old / wrong faulty ammo, they basicly webt cheao and took what they had or so ibsread of using what was supposed to be used 😂
There are a large number of countries adopting DI ARs as well. The UK is giving its Royal Marines KAC Rifles for example. And with the number of M4s the US has given away in military aid and sales, I doubt the 416 will outright supplant the DI at variants.
Australia and a couple other places are uses LMTs aswell
Because the DI AR-15s are better, and the 416 is a solution looking for a problem. The amount of HK wank in these comments is comical. One dude is claiming HK makes the best barrels in the world, haha!
@@Anni3sgotagun I know New Zealand uses an LMT as does Estonia, but Australia ? As far as I know Australia uses a domestically produced variant of the Aug.
I see that very first Sturmgewehr but remastered, am i the only one?
Its almost as if it defined an entire weaponsystem
This just looks like a generic AR platform weapon to me but maybe I just don't have enough gun autism or Stoner's influence was just that prolific.
@@weall1208Yes his influence was that prolific. It uses the AR-15 shape with the AR-18 operating mechanism. Both of which Stoner designed.
The problem though with the 416 is that it uses almost exclusively proprietary parts.
@@chaoschaoforeverUsing only proprietary parts is pretty based tho.
@@ls200076 Not when it comes to logistics it doesn't. For special forces guys like Delta and the SEALs, the 416 makes sense, because they get all the specially made gear meant for them. You can make the argument like Cappy here that the 416 makes sense for the Marines as well since they focus on Maritime Ops but when the Marines basically say lol no to the bigger badder Marksman version (the HK417) for an upgraded M110 (which is basically a fancy AR-10) that uses the same operating system as the AR-15. Makes ya raise an eyebrow.
Ar15 for those who think di is superior
416 for those who think di is unreliable
Mcx for those who hate buffer tubes
Ak47 for those who are not allowed to have an opinion 😂
Aug for those who hate the NFA
P90 for those who want a true ambidextrous weapons platform.
Mcx for those who hate money.
@@ryanbauer3680 bro what a p90 isn't comparable to all those other rifles it shoots peas lol
I love my weapon controls laid out in an intuitive AR style. I also love HK. Glorious combo.
You should make a video on the M4 URGI. From what I can tell US SOF has for the most part moved on from the 416’s to the M4 URGI’s due to them weighing less and being just as reliable.
What makes a URGI different from say an FN M4?
@@mattmurphy7030free floated geissele mk16 handguard
Daniel defense 14.5/11.5 barrels and uses a geissele ssae trigger along with far superior accessories such a Surefire RC2 supressors and better optic packages and lasers
@@mattmurphy7030 Main difference: it goes from a carbine-length gas system to a mid-length system. This pushes the gas block farther out, with a longer gas tube, allowing the gas to chill tf out a little bit more before it goes back down the gas tube and back into the gun, resulting in less parts wear, gentler recoil and according NSWC Crane (SEAL gun testing people) increased reliability. They also swapped the 7" or so quad rail out for a 13.5" MLOK handguard that's more comfy and lighter - and especially lighter than the RIS II rail found on the M4A1 SOPMOD Block II. Aside from that, the URGI has a few other small improvements here and there, but those are the main ones.
No US SOF that used the 416 regularly is using the URGI. The URGI replaced Block 2 Sopmod M4s. The only thing that has replaced the 416 is the Noveske that Dev uses
@@JaxPC_ cool, good to know thanks. Those are legit changes that I made to my own M4 clone.
I observed a problem with AKs
They are so simple and reliable it is difficult to make any major changes in them
Like a bicycle
Did you really just referance BudLight and "positive buzz" 😂
Never underestimate a military or unit wanting to buy a more expensive version of what they already have...
I guess you also pick your car by looking which one has the nicest color...
Happens you are correct.
However in this instance the push is from bottom up.
i don't understand why Colt couldn't just evolve a little bit, and just offer the M4 with an alternative piston-driven version.
I can confirm that HK’s Barrels on pretty much all of their guns are insane. I have no idea how they do it so well. I’ve seen USP’s and USP compacts in 9mm go 100,000 rounds without a significant loss of accuracy. The HK416 barrels seem to be able to last about 30k on average before they start having significant accuracy issues (but we’re still talking like within 4-6moa)
They just make such good guns man. Even the VP9 is really good, and that’s the gun they make right now with the most problems, and it’s still extremely good. The only thing that goes wrong with it is that, sometimes rarely, that weird shaped coil thing will break. Again, this is very rare.
I daily carry a USP Compact in 9mm with a 17+1 VP9 magazine and an X-grip to fill in the space of the longer mag and it’s amazing
Barrels use a proprietary steel. And Germans love to overengineer things.
Might have your slide checked. In my Bundeswehr time, we swapped the P8 for P8A1 because they tended to explode. Service life was meant to be 10000rds, which had been severely exceeded with some of the P8s we had.
Stock trigger in that USP C 9?
@@simonb6982and also had to do with the "hotter" ammo the BW uses...
They need to update the USP and .45s to fit 14 rounders.
unfortunately I cant paddle release mags because finger too short so rip🤣
It couldn't be a straight blowback mechanism because it would have failed the gay weather test.
Apparently it has been tested at both beach parties and long walks in forests. Garden parties and clubbing is a no no when trying to cuddle a toy chinchilla and pina colada.
My first deployment to Afghanistan we were under a Joint Task Force. I got to use my Norwegian counterparts rifle at the range and have loved the HK-416 ever since. Accurate, solid, and much gooder than the M-16/M-4. Good job on the Marine Corps for securing a better weapon system.
When AR guys realize gas pistons are actually better than direct impingement.
"Gooder"
This guy definitely lives off a diet of crayons.
@@-Zevin- Yeah but they are not. It offers niche advantages at the cost of less accuracy, more weight, more recoil, and is more expensive.
@@Nick-sx6jm Less accuracy is mostly a myth, you can still free float piston guns and get accuracy on par with 99% of DI guns, with more reliability far more heat resistance, and more recoil mitigation. Piston guns also handle gas pressure changes better including suppressors.
You can spin a globe and have your finger land on a random country and 90% chance that nation uses a piston rifle. There is a reason almost every nation on earth uses either long or short stroke gas pistons to this day, From Nato to Russia and China..
@-Zevin- Absolutely not a myth. It can be mitigated, but having a large amount of reciprocating mass connected to the barrel impacts accuracy. All things equal a DI gun will be a bit more accurate. Also, the reliability claims are not really true as the test he cites was rigged in favor of the 416, XM8, and scar. Modern DI guns are extremely reliable, and piston guns only offer niche advantages like shooting half a second after submerging.
Id rather have a PWS mk116mod2. HK is expensive for name only.
Hello from Norway 🤙🏻
I still think the LMT MARS-L would've been a better option for the USMC for a variety of reasons.
German made
Kickbacks
What’s the price between the M4 and the HK 416?
AK-47, AR-15 (and FAL, I guess): Welcome to the club
When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
I remember being one of the first Norwegians in mandatory military service to get my hand on this spec-op feeling rifle.
Quite a departure from the workhorse G3 handcannon.
Part of the decision to move to a more handleable gun and lighter ammo might also come from the introduction of universal military service for women.
Are women in Norway held to lower physical standards like in the U.S.?
@@PentaRaus
..as they are in most countries.
.. Which doesn't mean they can't make fine soldiers.
The Ukrainians for example have a bunch of deadly female snipers. ..as the USSR had in WW2.
Of course, is hard/unrealistic to see women as grunts or combat engineers, but there are areas where strength simply isn't as important.
@@damianm-nordhorn116that’s one thing that’s so interesting about great Snipers, it seems like it happens to be one of those “gifted talents” that some people just seem to be blessed with; as in, it’s one of those things that some minds are born with regardless of gender or who their parents are or who they even are at all - a latent ability that can become powerful with even minimal formal training. I believe that some people are just born to be a musician, or even born to be a specific kind of musician, and I also believe that some people are just born to be snipers, and they should have a chance to prove themselves regardless of who they are.
We all know at least one person, whether irl or just knowing about them, who just seems like they were born to shoot because they’ve always been a natural talent, they learn years worth of skills in months or weeks, and they are perfectly focused and happy and lost in the sport when they’re shooting
I literally just made this my primary weapon in ghost recon wildlands this week after years of not using it and NOW get a video about it.
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I see your HK 416 and raise it to PWS's long stroke piston AR-15
gay, straight it just worked
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Just like the navy
@@MilitaryPlayer141Marines are part of the Navy. Marines are straight up gay.
I don't care how you identify as long as you identify as anti-authoritarian
Oh would you look at that it has direct fire mode very nice, I hear that's the hot new thing from your last video. See what you mean now.
11:09 “All the US special forces guys are running with it.”
“#%$@ man. That’s all you had to say.”
*That was in fact, all he had to say.*
It should be mentioned that the HK416 has a free floating barrel, which is what makes it more accurate than the M4. It also can be fired in full auto, in contrast to the M4's burst fire.
Meanwhile the romanian army still uses bootleg aks made in the 1960s while not issuing any body armor except a steel helmet made in the 70s with ww2 technology.
Romania is not on the top ten countries to invade in the next 50 years, and it has been a while since anybody said 'oh no, the Romanians are coming'.
@@conormcmenemie5126 it is on the frontline of ukraine though, so we're going to be invaded not do the invading.
I can only hope to not be conscripted. Few fates are worse than this.
@@Anton43218 Sorry Anton - I should have been more thoughtful. It is easy being here in Edinburgh in the extreme north west of europe on an island.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are one lucky fuck compared to me.
I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are lucky compared to me.
I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
German special forces seem to switch to 300 blk too, but with HK433
300 BLK isn't what it was advertised to be.
@@065Tim The Bundeswehr ordered almost 200 for its special forces in February of this year.
But it is not called HK433 but HK437. It is more or less an HK 433 in 300 Blk
@@eagelseye8089
Yeah definitely the 437 slaps.
Too bad we'll never see one in the US 😢
Nothing free about me not being able to own one. WHERES MP7??
Mp7 is pretty trash tho. It lives out of its legend and rarity more than quality or capabilities
Apparently French army buy the AK416F around 1000€, maybe 1300€.
Yes, at the time they revealed the cost of the contract, I had calculated between €1,000 and €1100/HK416.
Tested it in a variety of conditions, rainy, muddy, dusty, gay, straight. Love it!
yeah, but an HK rifle is way to expensive to be burying it in sand & torture tests.
Good video until you took the Lord’s name in vain.
Those dust test were rigged man, some of the reported problems with how the test was conducted.
- The test where it was just the M4 by itself was comparable to the 416, XM8, and SCAR in stoppages.
- It wasn't repeatable, usually for tests, you expect to be able to get similar results if you try again, but the m4 stoppages in dust test 2 (296 stoppages) is very low compared to dust test 3 (863).
- The tests were done in different times of the year, dust test 2 which was only the m4 was conducted in the summer of 2007 while dust test 3 which was conducted with the m4 and the rest of the rifles was conducted in the Fall of 2007.
- Testers likely during dust test 3 didn't know how the M4 3 burst fire control group worked which was like a cog that resets every 3 rounds fired. So if you were to only fire 2 rounds in a burst, and then went to try a 3 round burst, you'd only get 1 round fired since the cog reset. So the testers like counted when it didn't do a full 3 round burst as a malfunction which played a part in the abnormally high malfunctions in dust test 3 compared to dust test 2.
- All the competitor guns (HK & SCAR) were not guns just taken right off the assembly line, these were bespoke guns, hand fitted and tested each part for maximum reliability, way different compared to mass production guns. They also used new magazines that worked well with their guns.
- The M4's submitted for the test however were not new guns, they were found to be early model M4's (likely around mid-late 90's, and the tests happened late-2000's), so while it can't be said for certain, the rifles had been definitely used before, much more than the 416, XM8, and SCAR. They were also given USGI magazines that were also not new.
Dust test methods are very sus and likely rigged, the whole test was only started cause a politician wanted to get political influence from the public and repeatedly slandered the rifle and tried getting feedback forms from soldiers done, and cherry picked their statements, since most statements of the M4 were positive with only mild negative statements and feedback for improvement. And the other firearm companies went along with it, hopping to get that all lucrative US Army standard issue rifle contract.
TLDR: Dust tests should never be used as a reliable source since the intentions of the test were not unbiased.
Thats a long comment
If you've never seen it Chris from small arm solutions channel does a pretty deep dive about that. He was there on the Colt side
I'd say dust tests are important, but you absolutely have to make the test protocols repeatable and need a statistically significant sample size. I'm sure the 416 is more reliable, especially in longer missions in bad environments, but that doesn't mean the m4 was bad for most soldiers.
from what I understood a lot of the stoppages for the M4 were magazine related
@@Taskandpurpose That played a part to, since they weren’t new magazines compared to the others. It’s just that were also other factors that also contributed to it. Just never like using the dust test as a source since a lot went wrong with it and makes the M4 rifle look way worse compared to other rifles that had the advantage in that test.
I had the M27(I believe it’s the same gun) in the Marine corps for 3 years. That was the best rifle Ive ever shot. And if you attached bipods it turned into a baby SAW. That thing was a blast.
Trickle Down Gun economy is real, and not limited to guns. Example: If you look at pictures of gear that the Rangers and Delta were using in Mogadishu in 1993, it bears an amazing resemblance to the kit an average infantryman was using circa 2003.
I’ve always thought of you want to know what regular soldiers will look like 10 years from now and the tactics they’ll use - look at the elite today .
I would love to have this gun… sadly with Canada’s current dictatorship the AR choices are limited. Pretty soon the even squirt guns will be on our “banned list”.
As a 416 owner fuck HK and their U.S branch because the reason their rifle has been quietly spreading is because of their elitist prices.
Could u expand on that?
Quietly spreading because it's expensive? Lol. Countries like France needed a new infantry rifle. To replace the odd Famas. Just like other countries. No one is buying it because it's expensive. Lol they are buying it because it's a step up from what they had.
@@ericmorris3948 They are jacking up the price. Really should be a 2 thousand dollar rifle instead of the most common price 3,999. It also a reason why Scar failed. Also their views on civs. One of the uppers of Hk company talked bad about the civ market but then the company shut her up after people talked about it.
@ericmorris3948 yes sir I would, but Mr David already answered it perfectly. F.J.B
@@davidjob4909 ^
My question is since the 416 is becoming the new thing, when will the AR and AK platform become a curio and relic so you can have every AR and AK platform shipped to your house with a curio and collector license😂
It's a piston AR with solid film Lube coatings on the moving parts . It seems DOD could find a cheaper supplier
Yes! Like Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Daniel Defense etc. should be American made.
@@kentspeigner8738 Exactly, same with SIG which was bought out by a German company, and isn't even Swiss anymore. Their overpriced rifles are borderline a scam for what they are fleecing US taxpayers, all the while the profits go to the German owners. (Yes sig has a "American" HQ too, the same way BWM does, it is not a American company.) We should be making cost effective American made and produced rifles. US companies could likely provide US made piston operated AR systems like the 416 for half the price and all that money would be going to American companies. Everything is corrupt these days, all about money exchanging hands and not what is best for the nation.
@@-Zevin-America is not Germany.
@@-Zevin- I would love to see you americans build platforms with the same precision for the same price but as of now this is simply not the case because otherwise why would there be a platform like the 416.
As well as if you would minimize the taxes on products entering the US market and the german goverment would stop activly sabotaging their own industry the prices would drop as well.
@@matejijonathan7036 American companies can and do build platforms as good as the 416, and they certainly can clone the 416 and produce it cheaper than what H&K charges. I think the biggest problem is strait up corruption. Military contracts are bought and paid for and it isn't always about what's best, but who benefits, and it isn't the taxpayers or soldiers, but some people are making a while lot of money..
It is not even close to a 1 MOA gun.
Bro thinks he is Jager from Rainbow Six: Siege.
Huh. So, back in the day when I built my piston AR and was roundly mocked by all the experts on the gun boards, it was them who got it wrong. This gives me a happy.
AR-15 by proxy
The G36 is a fine gun tho. The "issues" were home made by the German army when they ordered a stupid configuration for their rifles. It was a long ongoing shi* show over here...
"Shikikan, I am all you need" - 416
Fr fr, can never say no to 416 chan
So when are we getting the 416?
HK USA was just announced. Don't remember what they said about the 416, something about working with the ATF from my memory
MR556 or the BRN4. PWS make good piston guns if you don’t have to have an HK
You can get one now! I had a LE trade in one
So, they did AKed the M-16 design after all - nearly the same barrel length, overgas and a piston (even if short-stroke).
The Hk416/M27 is better the Spear.
Lmao anything's better than an M7. Even a tired worn out m4 that's suffered 20 years of GI abuse is better than a spear. The entire MCX series of rifles is SIG's premier line of craptastic grift. 😂
@@7ElevenTrutherI hate to just dogpile Sig Sauer USA on the internet and feed into the hate, but I really really do not like SS USA: I don’t respect them at all because of their horrible business practices and their lack of any moral fiber (intentionally fueling a drug war in Colombia with weapons, and breaking national and international law to get those weapons there.)
They regularly steal IP and other advantageous, insider info from their various partners companies they’ve had over the years, including stealing all the development work and research and production secrets from a much much smaller company than them that they had been partnered up with by the government to develop some military equipment, and they stole their secrets and used all that knowledge and expertise for themselves, and they ended up running that smaller company out of business.
And the whole SIG + SIG SAUER + all the other companies that are “separate” but like still connected is also really confusing and Sig Sauer USA can’t even really claim to be SIG or have any of their history or pedigree.
The last good gun Sig Sauer made was the P226 series/family of handguns, of which there are obviously tons of models and tons of BS modified versions of the same thing that they up charge like crazy on. Like how they have like 10 different guns in the P226 family, and there’s also like 10 P365 versions and a fuck ton of P320.
And I hate how they have regularly been using customers as beta testers over the last 25 years. It was probably around the millennia that SS started going to shit. May have even been before that, I’m not sure. They put out guns that have massive problems that don’t show up for a few hundred or few thousand rounds, and then suddenly they are shitting themselves and either completely break in a catastrophic way that basically “totals” the gun and you need to replace a whole slide or a whole frame, or some minor part of it they didn’t design or test well suddenly fails within the first few hundred rounds and now the gun is borked but at least it’s a somewhat reasonable repair… except that their replacement parts are also overpriced and probably just as likely to fail as the original part.
They charge way too much for what you get. Even the P365 was having serious issues for a loooong time. But they had such a huge lead on the micro compact market compared to everyone else, that they had free reign to sell probably in the millions of them without any real competition doing quite the same thing. It wasnt a pocket pistol, but it’s also not a compact. And that was cool to people who wanted high capacity in a tiny package. And they were able to sell sooooo many of them, that they were actually getting overwhelmed with all the repair requests for so many broken guns, but at least this way they were given tons of data that the bosses over there were too cheap to get properly designed and tested to begin with. And there were so many problems with all of their “modern” handgun lineups that, with so many people owning them, they actually had to pay attention and work to solve these issues.
Their CEO’s and highest internal leaders are just so corrupt and so checked out from running the company and trying to do something truly great. It’s just a boys club where friends help each other out by getting them a cushy job with a massive pay check + lots of “influence”, status, and something nice to have on their resume if they go somewhere else.
And they pay most of their employees like shit compared to what they should be earning
Btw, for Sig handguns, except the p226 Navy, which is amazing. I would muuuuch rather have something like an S&W Shield Plus instead of P365, and for any of their normal compacts, I’d much rather have a USP compact or a Glock 19 or a CZ P-10, or a Walther PDP, or even an M&P 2.0
@@7ElevenTrutheraw it’s not too bad! I like the base MCX but then again I was running a can on it. More accurate than I can shoot and would feed any round
Then why is Delta running Spears now?
@@michaelwu9450 It would be a decent rifle for $1200, but for what they charge it's a total grift. SIG today reminds me of Boeing, a once great company reduced to marketing gimmicks and profits over quality products.
What does the US do with old rifles when they transition to new ones?
At hundreds of thousands each switch, thats alot of unwanted rifles.
Still have my HK93 from 1986! They take a beating and keep on rocking.
I don't understand the quibbling about costs. If the weapon provides an edge over the M4 or M16 and this edge leads to saving even one soldier from becoming a casualty, that's a price that is we should be willing to pay. Beyond that, only about 15-20% of troops are in direct combat roles. 80,000 for the US Army + 30,000 for the US Marines. 110,000 x $2,200 = 220 Million dollars. That's roughly the cost of just over 100 ATACMS missiles. Considering we have built 3,700 of those... I think we can afford to supply our frontline combat troops the gear they need to excel in combat and survive. Let our men and women carry big sticks.
February, US President Joe Biden approved the delivery of the missiles and a “significant” number was included in a $300m aid package announced the following month, officials said.
Also, if we can afford to spend $61 Billion dollars on foreign aid, we can afford to supply our troops with the equipment to keep them alive and uninjured.
Agreed but the Army is adopting the new Sig Sauer xm7 with 6.8mmx51. Its a powerful round coupled with a new built in laser range finder sight, I say its has potential to be better than the hk416/m27
It won't save lives lmao. It's an overly gassed, heavy, and inaccurate rifle.
14:50 *"...walk around in the Arizona heat..."* Shows Cappy in bear-suit jacket gortex, getting rained on.
Everyone talks like the 416 was absolutely infallible yet guys that actually used it, have talked about issues with it. Matt Pranka and Slade talked about how suppressors increased fire rate and caused runaways...in shoot houses!. GBRS guys said that they stripped every HK part that they could off of it because it was so heavy. Slade recently made an Insta post about feeling nostalgic for his 416, even though it was a heavy and finicky bitch....
A tano CAG clone is still my dream gun thoug
Could have shown the new config of the G95A1 that I posted a few weeks back :)
Free world aint cheap.
It is for the Free Country 🇺🇸
😂
I had a similar theory to the trickle-down gun economy. First the clandestine agencies get to play with the newest toys, then the uniformed elites, then the grunts [usually army before marines].
She is all you need
Fellow SKK
I have always love the 416 but it's funny cause the M27 was my favorite out of BF3
For a country that hates weapons (look at German gun-laws and at gun-ownership-rates (around 3% of Germans own registered weapons)), we do make very good weapons :) - MP5, MP7, P99, HK416, PP(K)...and the big boys like the Panzerhaubitze 2000 or the Rheinmetall Millenium Gun :)
Walther and HK are some of my fav handguns
You guys are just patiently waiting to try again!
Lol, just a joke from your Dutch neighbor
Sorry to say, But HK has become pretty much an American company. they are not the same as the company in Germany.
@@SteveAkaDarktimesHK USA is a slave of HK Germany. Oberndorf is the Headquarter.
@@SteveAkaDarktimes your comment is tarded in so many ways...
Every time you post, I'm excited!
How many magazine clips does this AR style rifle have???😱😱😱
30 calibers
Yes!
Its a german weapon 🎉🎉🎉
I call bs on the 1 moa claim
RIP to interesting domestic firearms, everything will become AR15s or derivatives now
i mean why wouldnt you just tweak the design of something that already works perfectly fine?
By interesting domestic firearms, do you mean failed weird stuff that no one wanted or asked for? This is not specific to any nation alone. Its just that 90% of the time when countries go all gung ho about domestic arms it produces mediocre stuff if you are lucky, SA80 if you are unlucky and once every three centuries something like the M16/M4. Its like with liquor, any one can make it at home, but the people with brains go buy it from a tested source.
@@rustknuckleirongut8107 Don't talk to me or my SA80 again
@@rustknuckleirongut8107 I'm mainly just salty that the FAMAS, one of my favorite cold war rifles, could've been replaced by the VHS-2, which is one of the coolest looking modern rifles, and a perfect successor to the FAMAS. But instead, they just outsource to HK and choose an AR.
Hopefully HK got rid of the roller bearing receiver! Which jammed in sandy terrain.
Lol free world
Better than living in a communist or Islamic country.
its like calling the fn fal the right arm of the free world exept where it was in service civilian can't own it
Amazingly the RUclips AI bots didn't censor your comment yet, in the "free world" lmao
Trust me: according to my wife, 4" is a HUGE deal.
416 is heavy, imbalanced, poor recoiling, overgassed, and has bolt rock issues. Hard to make a case for it over current high quality AR15 options. Many in a short suppressed set up, but even then they don’t give sufficient settings to allow the gas to not tear the gun up. Also a number of others have now done the piston thing better.🤷♂️
POF P415 IS BETTER
If you think so. There’s a reason armies are buying it.
Totally disagree.
Bro you cant compare your shitt MR556 to a modern Hk416A5.
Always happy when Dylan O'Brien drops a new video🙏🔥💯
It's one of the best ARs ever made and it's probably THE finest rifle ever issued en masse to fighting men.
I think its a bit far from the ArmaLite to be called one.
I mean the HK416 might be popular, as an example the SIG550 has been produced in the military variant 450k times and 35k in the civillian version.
So 309k across mutiple countries isn't actually all that much.
The SIG550 is only really used by the Swiss army.
So yeah, it basically defeats the whole point of the video.
I watched this twice and it's still good!
blatant lie since it hasnt been 40 minutes yet but appreciate the attempt
@@penapvp2230it’s a bot bro
As we grow as unique persons, we learn to respect the uniqueness of others.
Not American made.
Lmao nothing is my guy. The metal for all parts come mostly from foreign parts and modern made us guns are literal trash. After the us army adopted the m14 the hull Sal arms weapon program went down hill
ever heard of HK USA
Korrekt, es ist besser als Amerikanisch. Von einigen der wenigen Kompetenten Deutschen, die noch über sind von den Dichtern und Denkern. Nicht zu vergessen, dass Deutsche mit 13% die zweitgrößte Einwanderergruppe waren. Amerikaner sind im Wesentlichen Europäer, egal wieviel sie es leugnen.
Cry me a river
@MartinSchreiber-mc5mr It’s not an American rifle, it’s German
The US Special Operations started switching guns because everybody started using the HK 416, and that ain’t cool, you know? Gotta be cool!
That and:
>it's heavier than a M4
>even with the adjustable gas blocks that most 416s don't have it's still overgassed
>HK does not and had never had the manufacturing capability to make make enough replacement parts for their rifles so when the guns break they go down for a long time to the point that certain units like delta, devgru, and LAPD SWAT dramatically reduced or completely stopped the use of the rifles.
>it proved to be no more reliable than the m4
>it wasn't any more durable than the M4
>HK loaded to the thing with proprietary parts to increase profits