It's the second chord that bothers me personally. I guess it also could be seen as "stacked 5ths" with a diminished one thrown on top. Sounds like a random ugly dissonance to me.
@@Tomsfilipsons lol do you know what 5ths are 😂 the second chord is definitely not 5ths. Also, idk what you don’t like about it - it’s a common thing for Prokofiev to write in a chord like that for an added feeling of tension/mystery.
I've been a Prokofiev fan for 50 years; this is a great example of his writing for chamber groups. I'm also impressed by the many knowledgeable comments about this work (I'm completely un-musical myself). Thanks for posting this.
@@erwinschulhoff4464 Hmmmmmm . . . since I moved last December, I haven't listened to much music (more's the pity). I'll have to think about it . . . but thanks for posing the question.
The "poco più animato" section (from 9:00) is extremely musical in interpretation - usually this is played coldly and comically, but here it is tender and shows that the underlying music is more magically and expressive. I heard about 5 versions but never heard this part played so well.
It's all great, but the beginning of the adagio has a particular magic for me. I've just found your videos and binging pretty hard, but it feels useful so I'm not guilty.
I've loved this music ever since I heard it as the accompaniment to a silent film, when I lived in Berkeley in the early '60s. There were 2 or 3 theaters then that showed some of the really great films of world cinema (hard to find such venues any more). It took me a long time to find the music; by then I'd forgotten the name of the film. It was of course in b&w; it was I think not a full-length film even by the standards of its day--maybe like a novella compared to a novel. It focused mainly on the actress who was the protagonist. She had one of the most beautiful faces I've ever seen, and by the end one of the saddest. I I think the basic plot was "seduced and abandoned." Since the film was made before Prokoviev, clearly this quartet was not the original sound track (which may have been performed live in theaters, maybe differing at every showing, and never recorded). Still, if anyone who reads this has run across a film that fits this description and can tell me any more about it, I'd love a post. In any case I'll always love this work, as so many of Prokoviev's.
+olla-vogala Thank you so much! I'll do my best to check this out. (And I think you're right in one respect at least: my memory, now jogged, tells me this was probably a French film.)
At the time he and Mira were evacuated from the german Blitzkrieg in Nalchik in the south. He was afraid, that the locals would not be able to digest this complex music.
Most engaging! I think Prokofiev's exposure to Kabardinian folk music produced beneficial results: I find this quartet much more interesting musically than the first.
@@erwinschulhoff4464 None really, though I have the same kind of experience, having to hear a piece a few times before appreciating it, when hearing pieces composed by Max Reger, the more challenging ones are quite exciting once you are accustomed to the language. Try some huge organ pieces, but piano pieces and string quartets, to name a few, are quite good too.
The pizzicato theme in the third movement is reminiscent of the introduction to the Jewish theme in the last movement of Shostakovich's piano trio. But the latter was composed in 1944...
It’s actually a direct quote of a folk tune. Interestingly you can hear the exact same theme in the first movement of Myaskovsky’s 23rd symphony which was written at the same time when a handful of Russia’s top composers had been relocated away from Moscow in order to escape the conflict of the Second World War.
When you've been a second violinist for a while and are happy you don't get that many challenging parts but then 20th century composers and beyond said "no, seconds go burr 🥰"
I have a best friend who is pretty much a prodigy at violin and piano(he's in 10th grade, I'm in 12th), and over time he has gained a huge appreciation for classical music. And because of him, so have I. Sometimes I'll come over, and we'll literally just show each other music we like for hours. Anyways, he showed me this song and explained that it's ment to be played in major(higher, happy), but is instead played in minor(lower, darker) and sounds like a murderer stabing someone. So when listening to this song, parts like 0:38 and 0:21 happen, and we burst out laughing XD
That's some confidence right there. A very admirable quality for someone to have. Good for you, for having a "big fat dongle", but I think you can use said confidence to do greater things than exhibitionism on a music related forum
yes, robertberger is right about temirkanov-you might guess he's not russian from his last name, which looks like it's derived from "temir" or tamurlane as known in the west. and to round off the story, when prokofiev fled stalin he went to temirkanofvs parents' house and the young future composed recalls shaking the great man's hand!
Interesting fact : the famous conductor Yuri Temirkanov is not a Russian as he is often described . He is an ethnic Kabardinian ( east Circassian ) and a native of Nalchik in Kabardino Balkaria in the Caucasus . The Circassians are an very ancient and fascinating people who are no more related by language and culture to the Russians than the Arabs are t the English . They are a proud tribal people of the mountains with a rich and unique language and culture of their own . The Kabardinians are the eastern branch of the Circassians . The other branches are known as the Adyghe and speak slightly different dialects of Circassian from the Kabardinians and live closer to the black sea . There are many interesting videos on the Circassians on youtube where you can hear their wonderful traditional music, see their amazing traditional dances and hear their weird but fascinating languages , which sounds more like Klingon than a human language .
+olla-vogala The third movement was reminding me of Frank Zappa's 'Uncle Meat' in which those words are used. Listening again, It's definetely more of a texture thing than any particular phrase.
With all due respect to white people's inept sense of geography, the Caucasus is nowhere near the middle east, and the theme of the 2nd mvt doesn't sound middle eastern in the slightest. two different peoples, two different cultures, two different things altogether.
first chord is literally just stacked 5ths, the madman
C major + D minor poly. Such a nice effect!
It's the second chord that bothers me personally. I guess it also could be seen as "stacked 5ths" with a diminished one thrown on top. Sounds like a random ugly dissonance to me.
@@Tomsfilipsons i Love that chord
@@Tomsfilipsons I also love that cord +ratio
@@Tomsfilipsons lol do you know what 5ths are 😂 the second chord is definitely not 5ths. Also, idk what you don’t like about it - it’s a common thing for Prokofiev to write in a chord like that for an added feeling of tension/mystery.
The precision actually frightens me
Fantastic recording by Pavel Haas String Quartet.
How can 4 instruments sound like a full orchestra? This piece is tapestry in the hands of a master weaver.
Great comparison!
19:43 is like running through the desert with a camel
More like if your camel escaped
western stereotyping and reductionism of eastern MUSIC 💜
I've been a Prokofiev fan for 50 years; this is a great example of his writing for chamber groups. I'm also impressed by the many knowledgeable comments about this work (I'm completely un-musical myself). Thanks for posting this.
kinda random but whats the most exciting hidden gem of piano music you have found recently
@@erwinschulhoff4464 Hmmmmmm . . . since I moved last December, I haven't listened to much music (more's the pity). I'll have to think about it . . . but thanks for posing the question.
6:19 Mvt II - Adagio
13:45 Mvt III - Allegro
I can't stop listening to the Adagio. And this Quartet captures it here the best I can find.
Thank you for placing it here where I could discover it.
Listening to this again . . . and right after the Grosse Fuge! I recommend listening to both of these works in that order!
OH my gosh 3:43 is so good. It's terrifying and I love it
I absolutely cannot get enough of the part at 14:21
Непонятно.
what about 17:58?
Very Stravinskian. I simple melody with very vibrant rhythm.
Prokofiev never ceases to amaze me; every composition of his is simultaneously gorgeous and horrific!
ive never been so in love with a piece before!! i def have to get this at some point for the cello
The "poco più animato" section (from 9:00) is extremely musical in interpretation - usually this is played coldly and comically, but here it is tender and shows that the underlying music is more magically and expressive. I heard about 5 versions but never heard this part played so well.
The resolution at 5:58 is very bright. Very enjoyable.
It's all great, but the beginning of the adagio has a particular magic for me. I've just found your videos and binging pretty hard, but it feels useful so I'm not guilty.
This is awesome, thank the almighty Lord for our musical ability! Movement III at 13:48 is awesome!
I've loved this music ever since I heard it as the accompaniment to a silent film, when I lived in Berkeley in the early '60s. There were 2 or 3 theaters then that showed some of the really great films of world cinema (hard to find such venues any more). It took me a long time to find the music; by then I'd forgotten the name of the film. It was of course in b&w; it was I think not a full-length film even by the standards of its day--maybe like a novella compared to a novel. It focused mainly on the actress who was the protagonist. She had one of the most beautiful faces I've ever seen, and by the end one of the saddest. I I think the basic plot was "seduced and abandoned." Since the film was made before Prokoviev, clearly this quartet was not the original sound track (which may have been performed live in theaters, maybe differing at every showing, and never recorded). Still, if anyone who reads this has run across a film that fits this description and can tell me any more about it, I'd love a post. In any case I'll always love this work, as so many of Prokoviev's.
+Richard Salisbury I'm a bit of a filmbuff, so I'll hazard a guess: Menilmontant?
+olla-vogala Thank you so much! I'll do my best to check this out. (And I think you're right in one respect at least: my memory, now jogged, tells me this was probably a French film.)
Richard Salisbury
No problem. If it's not the right one, tell me everything you remember (language of intertitles, camerashots/work, themes, etc.)
@@RichardASalisbury1 Was it that film eventually?
At the time he and Mira were evacuated from the german Blitzkrieg in Nalchik in the south. He was afraid, that the locals would not be able to digest this complex music.
Fantastic quartet playing! Incredible!
my fav string quartet
1:30 is AWESOME!!!!!
One of the Best quartet from the twentieth century. But look at Bartok quartets...So Terrific!
Thanks for adding this video!
It's up there with the best quartets of Bartok and Shostakovitch
Most engaging! I think Prokofiev's exposure to Kabardinian folk music produced beneficial results: I find this quartet much more interesting musically than the first.
To me, there was a breakthrough after hearing it for the third time in a few weeks. Magnificent piece!
kinda random but whats the most exciting hidden gem of piano music you have found recently?
@@erwinschulhoff4464 None really, though I have the same kind of experience, having to hear a piece a few times before appreciating it, when hearing pieces composed by Max Reger, the more challenging ones are quite exciting once you are accustomed to the language. Try some huge organ pieces, but piano pieces and string quartets, to name a few, are quite good too.
Bravo!!!!
1 of my absolutely all time favorite string quartets beautifully executed, beautiful!
The ending is so unpredictable. I love it!!
Magnificent work by Prokofiev!
thank you. Fantastic interpretation.
The pizzicato theme in the third movement is reminiscent of the introduction to the Jewish theme in the last movement of Shostakovich's piano trio. But the latter was composed in 1944...
It’s actually a direct quote of a folk tune. Interestingly you can hear the exact same theme in the first movement of Myaskovsky’s 23rd symphony which was written at the same time when a handful of Russia’s top composers had been relocated away from Moscow in order to escape the conflict of the Second World War.
thats possibly the most harmonically unsatisfying ending ive ever heard and i absolutely love it
the ending to shostakovich's 11th symphony also does that to great effect
Only absolut legends switch time signatures during quartets
2nd violin part seems almost as challenging as the 1st violin part
Prokofiev is like that. The second violin is a supporting voice for him, not an easier voice. The first quartet is even harder on the second violinist
When you've been a second violinist for a while and are happy you don't get that many challenging parts but then 20th century composers and beyond said "no, seconds go burr 🥰"
Yep it is
17:58 always gets me man it's just beautiful chaos
19:32 that reminds me of super smash bros
prokofiev writes the best endings
I've never heard a string quartet which contained scary sections. But this one does, and lots besides.
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Oh you should check out Bartoks string quartets
Have you seen Shostakovich String Quartet No. 8!?
At least this is still countable, unlike some of the Bartok quartets!
Wow this is amazing
That beginning is just magical, what a genius, russians are truly something else
Why is nobody talking about 1:54?
17:59 eargasm! Cello solo C F C
THICCCC
Yeee
So sad and touching. 21:37 6:47
Misprint in second movement, 3 after square 19, in the first violin part. There are some notes that aren't correctly notated.
kinda random but whats the most exciting hidden gem of piano music you have found recently?
5:28 I have never seen such a perfectly timed triplet. Uf.
IT'S BACK!!!
I looked at the last chord of the second movement for about ninety seconds before I realized the score had a missing ledger line in the first violin.
SAME
Love the bit at 15:58
Bravíssimo!!
I have a best friend who is pretty much a prodigy at violin and piano(he's in 10th grade, I'm in 12th), and over time he has gained a huge appreciation for classical music. And because of him, so have I. Sometimes I'll come over, and we'll literally just show each other music we like for hours.
Anyways, he showed me this song and explained that it's ment to be played in major(higher, happy), but is instead played in minor(lower, darker) and sounds like a murderer stabing someone.
So when listening to this song, parts like 0:38 and 0:21 happen, and we burst out laughing XD
That's some confidence right there. A very admirable quality for someone to have. Good for you, for having a "big fat dongle", but I think you can use said confidence to do greater things than exhibitionism on a music related forum
ok
Nine little Bells...
rare piece
Es la una de las mejores partes del gercer movimiento el minuto 17:58
yes, robertberger is right about temirkanov-you might guess he's not russian from his last name, which looks like it's derived from "temir" or tamurlane as known in the west. and to round off the story, when prokofiev fled stalin he went to temirkanofvs parents' house and the young future composed recalls shaking the great man's hand!
I feel like this was influenced by schulhoff
kinda random but whats the most exciting hidden gem of piano music you have found recently?
14:39 why didn't they do the col legno
You can ask them here directly, they'll respond to your question! facebook.com/PavelHaasQuartet/
slateflash probably doesnt quite create the energy
Why does the second violin change the octave at 20:45? I doubt it is a misprint
Great question, indeed. Great observation.
I think it's an error but it adds some variance, that's one of the differences from a computer that's playing
13:45
Which Quartett is playing?
+MaryMash Please click 'show more' under the video!
Pavel Haas quartet
17:26
17:48
17:52
17:58
2 BEFORE 17: 5:42
Interesting fact : the famous conductor Yuri Temirkanov is not a Russian as he is often described . He is an ethnic Kabardinian ( east Circassian ) and a native of Nalchik in Kabardino Balkaria in the Caucasus .
The Circassians are an very ancient and fascinating people who are no more related by language and culture to the Russians than the Arabs are t the English . They are a proud tribal people of the mountains with a rich and unique language and culture of their own .
The Kabardinians are the eastern branch of the Circassians . The other branches are known as the Adyghe and speak slightly different dialects of Circassian from the Kabardinians and live closer to the black sea . There are many interesting videos on the Circassians on youtube where you can hear their wonderful traditional music, see their amazing traditional dances and hear their weird but fascinating languages , which sounds more like Klingon than a human language .
3:44 🥹🫢😶🫨 no. 1?
7:40
Hi
this piece was ok. compared to A ten piece chicken Bucket, i give it a high five
fuzzy dice and bongos
+firstand lastname come again?
+olla-vogala The third movement was reminding me of Frank Zappa's 'Uncle Meat' in which those words are used. Listening again, It's definetely more of a texture thing than any particular phrase.
+firstand lastname Haha ok, good to hear something someone mentioning Zappa, he's great!
please hear my plea!
8:45
più pesante
12:15
kinda random but whats the most exciting hidden gem of piano music you have found recently?
@@erwinschulhoff4464 not random
@@vine2197 you have an answer?
11: 3:54
bachianas
13: 4:34
With all due respect to white people's inept sense of geography, the Caucasus is nowhere near the middle east, and the theme of the 2nd mvt doesn't sound middle eastern in the slightest. two different peoples, two different cultures, two different things altogether.
So…?
@@Channel-pq6jw Not sure what you expected, just pointing out facts. :)
@@authenticbaguette6673 I’m just confused, were you responding to something?
@@Channel-pq6jw The video description, good sir/ma'am...
Hate this piece lol. At least the first movement
why?
02:40
17:58