Yea but the reason people argue that super isn't a goat was because he had a cracked team. Violet, Sinatraa, Moth, Striker, Choi and some others were all also insane players. Super's team for his whole career basically had top 10-20 players on it but people just don't give him the credit because he didn't make flashy plays
@LLord-hg7vp The only time I'd say Lip didn't have a goated team was in 2023 when he was with the Atlanta Reign and for NA standards they were solid. Shanghai dragons and Crazy raccoons have/had some of the best players of all time playing with Lip. Overall I've never seen as heavy a carry as what Proper did for SF shock in his rookie season. We are talking about a team of players where the only top tier players were striker and a slightly washed offrole violet getting to 2nd place in the Finals and breaking records for the most consecutive wins in season. Proper has been winning more since his team is absolutely cracked now but Crazy Racoons is similarly good so we will see what the future brings.
Super gets a lot of flack from chat, but he is deadass a GOAT. He carried the scene while Overwatch was in the absolute depths of hell with no updates or communication from Blizzard.
Team USA 2023 Dedicated Sigma player decides to go on Calorie Cut and loses his mental resiliance. SuperTF is a hero, comes back and carries Team USA to top 6
@alphahawk325 nah super's chat is a lot worse than most chats because he gives attention to the negativity. I dont think he personally gets affected by it but because he has funny reactions to the hate, the haters keep trying to get more attention by hating more. You don't get that many haters in someone like TenZ's chat or even like pge's because they don't entertain the haters
@kevl4n109 the thing is though that it’s genuinely all (or at least mostly) in jest, it’s kinda crazy how fast they turn around whenever they feel there’s a solid reason to root for him. imo it makes it even more valuable due to how much they like to poke fun at him
It's pretty hard to say who the best player is because of the different roles, but at the time he was 100% a contender for the best main tank to ever touch the game
Especially in a league completely dominated by Koreans. He put NA on his back. Man OWL was a blast for a minute there and I'm not even a big esports fan.
So hillarious when ludwig says "hes never punished, so lucky" meanwhile Feinberg was talking like this about him EXACTLY like this in the past 😂 (and honestly even now LOL)
Super was easily a top 10 player during his time in Overwatch League, even when he was benched due to the meta. SF Shock were just so stacked that the rest of the lineup was equally as good as him, if not better.
Brother he's fighting for time with smurf and Choi, two other all time tank players. You also don't need to, and shouldn't be adaptable if you have a big enough roster since doing a few tanks really well is worth more than a ton of characters okay to good if you can have 3+ tank players on the roster.
@sloesty You actually have no idea what your talking about. Like the dude above me said, there's no point in him knowing a bit of another tank when there's someone else able to play them better, rather if he focus's on rein he can "carry" when rein is meta
@sloestyThats a pretty ass take from someone who I’m guessing haven’t touched overwatch. He could be the undisputed rein GOAT and still get benched during that meta. They signed different tanks for coverage. It’s so fundamentally different playing Rein and Orisa that it’s almost impossible for one player to be the best at both at the same time.
I feel like Lud doesn’t understand that the back to back shock teams were straight up super teams in sports terms. Everyone on those rosters were top 5 in their roles. Super was the best main tank in the league in 2019 and was easily the best main tank in the 2020 playoffs and the best Reinhardt that year. But he also had the best off tank, best dps and best supports in the league as well. The best way to describe them is like the USA Olympic Basketball team. And amongst all players he was the mvp runner up behind Sinatraa in 2019. It’s hard to compare players between roles in overwatch but super was a top 5 tank by the end of ow1 no doubt about it. He’s still arguably top 5 now, but there are arguments to be made he moved down. Also the reason he shares time with Smurf is because both of them were legit top 5 main tank players during the ow1 era. Like the reason super and Smurf got benched for each other is because they were just elite at different heroes on different maps. So they would share time on the same heroes and just got swapped around depending on the maps, but primarily were playing their respective hero’s. The best way to describe it is if LeBron and Steph curry were on the same team during the 2010s. Both all time great players but they just played different roles, but within the same role.
As a massive OW fan, a massive Super fan (as much as I hate him), and massive lud fan, it’s awesome to see them all come together. Super was one of the best tank players of all time, and could have shown how versatile he is if he wasn’t on a team with the other best tanks in the world. I think the real kicker is that he left OWL for a year or two, and then came back to compete in the World Cup. He streamed his tryouts for the American team, and he was walking over the other tanks. He’s not flashy, but he has crazy game sense and crazy communication skills. Just a fantastic player overall.
That USA roster was inted by having Gator as coach, hydron on hs and then not starting super for the start of the tournament. I’ll legit never forgive them
viol2t did not carry super. viol2t was insane, as ans was insane in the second champ but super did unbelivable plays. he was the goat tank. there is no denying it
@g@gritilazz_3478fearless over super omg bruh. super was the best main tank full stop, Smurf probs tank goat but he also played in ow2 and like 3 years longer. Choi is the off tank goat tho. Putting Guxue above super shows you have no ball knowledge.
I’m a Guxue glazer, but it depends on the hero. We are talking about arguably the best Winston of all time and the best rein of all time. It’s hard to judge who’s the overall goat cause ow is too complicated for that type of discussion/comparison
A thing about OW is you can have standout players in different roles, but OW at high level, everyone has to do well to allow everyone to excel. Tanks make space for DPS to do damage so that they can protect Supports who keep the Tanks healthy.
As someone waaaay too invested in Overwatch and Overwatch Esports, perhaps I can impart some wisdom for Ludwig and the non-Overwatch fans here: Is Super the best Overwatch player of all time? No. Was he the best player on his team? No. But what he was, in my opinion, is the best teammate of all time. There are countless pro players who have said that they wanted to play for the Shock because they wanted to play with Super. People in the scene just liked the guy. He is one of the best main tanks of all time, the best Reinhardt of all time, and one of the best shotcallers of all time. He also singehandedly carried the esport for like 3 years when it came to content and personality. The video makes it seem like there were no other personalities in the Overwatch League. Which isn't true, but about 70% to 80% of all the pro players were Koreans, and therefore they were never going to be as popular as personalities or content creators in America. Which is why it kinda came down to Super having to carry the esport. Was Super carried? No, absolutely not. The Shock (who I will be glazing as they are my favorite team) put together an insane roster in Season 2. Viol2t, Smurf, Choihyobin, and Rascal are all some of the best players to ever touch this game. Viol2t is considered by many to be the GOAT of this game. Smurf is the only player to win 3 rings. Choihyobin is one of the best off tank players of all time, whose career could've been even greater if he didn't have to leave for his military service after Season 4, and Rascal also has 3 rings, 2 as a player and 1 as a coach. Yes, Super was benched during the playoffs when he won his first ring, but that had to do with the meta. The 3 tank 3 support comp Ludwig mentioned was called GOATS and it lasted for 3 of the 4 stages during Season 2. During this time, Super played and was the best Reinhardt in the world. But going into Stage 4 and the playoffs, the meta changed and Smurf played because A) his Orisa was better and B) he could communicate better with Choihyobin cause they were both Korean and the Orisa Sigma tank combo needed strong communication between the two tanks. The Season 3 playoffs saw Super and Smurf splitting time between each other based on whether or not they were playing Wrecking Ball or Roadhog with the Sigma, which is why he was playing on that last map when he won his second ring. Some other random questions that were asked: Who is the GOAT of Overwatch? - Lip (Korean DPS player). He has 1 ring, and has won more tournaments/stages than anybody else in history. He is also 6'5" and is jokely referred to as the "7 foot gaming warlord." The 2026 OWCS season will be his last before he has to go do military service. I will be very sad to see him go. Is the Overwatch League dead? - Yes. It lasted 6 seasons. Fun fact, the worst 4 teams in Season 1 went on to win the next 5 seasons, with the Shock winning Season 2 and Season 3, the Shanghai Dragons winning Season 4, the Dallas Fuel winning Season 5, and the Florida Mayhem winning Season 6. The esport now is called the Overwatch Champions Series, or OWCS. This 2026 season will be the third season. It functions completely differently from the Overwatch League, but I think it's a bit easier to follow than OWL was, which is a good thing. Super could costream it if he wanted to, but his normal stream time does no coincide with the time of the matches, so he almost never does. Did the teams have to live in the cities like Guangzhou or Seoul or Dallas? - No. Whoever said that in his chat is straight up lying. Season 1 all the teams were in LA. Season 2 they played in a couple of different U.S. cities. Season 3 is when COVID happened and all play went online. So then it didn't matter where the teams played from. Some teams went back to Korea so their Korean players could be at home, the Chinese players went back home to China, and for the most part the teams who remained in America stayed in LA. I know the Shock had a team house in SF, but I don't know how much time they actually spent there. The Houston Outlaws had their team play in Houston, and I know in Season 6 the Toronto Defiant played from Toronto. But for the most part the teams who didn't go back to Korea just stayed in LA. There were more questions Ludwig asked, but I'm too lazy to go find them, so if anybody actually cares enough to ask me some questions, feel free to ask.
Their content fell off in a massive way the last few years. Felt like they were just a bunch of counter strike players that didn't like any other games
For anyone who wasn’t there for the OW1 days you can just imagine super as the”Magic Johnson” of the OWL he’s not in top 3 discussions but at the same time he’s def 4th and if you know ball like that you can lowk make a GOAT case for him
@ramfarid1if you’re talking ab Ow and including OW2 then you’re correct but that wildly unfair considering the game largely changed for Ow2 and we never seen super get to play competitively.I was talking about OW1 specifically in which he does EASILY have a t4 spot and imho he’s contending against fearless, Choi and lip(for goat status idk how lip has an argument when speaking on OW1 strictly I still think the 6 teams when they spit in 2020 that were in Asia were highkey ass except for Seoul and Shanghai and which ever 3rd team had a dps player who’s character was meta) and arguing otherwise only shows that you weren’t REALLY there watching the games
If you’re talking about OW1 era, it makes sense to have him that high (idk how u not have Viol2t on your goatswhen he is clearly the best on that era). But overall he is not even in top 5 discussions (lip, smurf, viol2t, shu, and either fearless/fielder/hanbin on 5)
@ramfarid1 brother you have to put profit in there, the guy was a fucking menace on pretty much every dps in the game and had insane longevity. Like in 2017 and 2018 the man was a top 3 player on almost every dps hero in the game, he was so insane.
Coaches in high level overwatch are usually not very good as individual players, but rather very good at what they do, and have a very good way of communicating and conveying possible issues while analyzing gameplay.
he's never reaching that lmfao, seeing him get to plat would be fun. It would be like getting into league for him since he can't rely on aim to carry him so he'd actually need to learn the game
@sirpentineplays5560 Yeah I think he can probably get to diamond if he improves his mechanics dramatically and learns the game, I don't think he genetically can reach GM lol
I dont think Lud understands the concept of being “benched” in OWL. These rosters were literally 12 people, they would mix and match and sub continuously throughout maps (literally like an NBA game subbing in their role players).
23:20 he's like the tenz of overwatch, many of the players in OWL were and are korean and don't speak fluent english and he and Dante were the biggest personalities within the league. There are loads of fun overwatch creators that have great personalities, but they were never good enough for the league. Except maybe Samito, but he stopped playing profesionally quite early on.
He agreed to come back to sf shock but then retired before the season started. Shock ended up getting 2nd that year, stacked team other than didn’t have a good tank after super left
Like no joke super was genuinely and still is one of the best players to ever play the game. And to comment on owl, he was probably most consistent tank player for 2-3 years? He did have a stacked team around him but you can’t say that he still wasn’t top 5 in every category when he played. Smurf was the best Winston in the world at one point and super didn’t play in those Metas but you watched super in scrims or ranked or maps when he had to play a hero he didn’t play. Still was top 5 consistently. We can joke all we want about it but no doubt is genuinely top 5 ever and even to this day if he played every day would still be able to compete at the highest level or top ranked charts. He obviously prefers to stream but the talent and game sense in nearly every game he plays is still top tier. God gifted gamer but we still shit on him because he’s super.
i think the easiest way to describe tank in ow is that imagine if in american football, your team cant pass the line of scrimmage unless your center linesman is over it. like hes not gonna make a touch down but you cant make a touch down without him
If super wasn't actual as good as everyone else on SF shock when they were dominating and wasn't instrumental to their win, he would have been dropped. You can't throw on a chopped pro onto the team and seriously think they'll last more than one season if they aren't up to the level of the rest of the team, who were world class at the time
As soon as Super joined the SF Shock they went from an average team to winning Grand Finals back to back. Like, he is just the cutest ooey-gooey-est dulce et decorum est-est gamer.
Lud you gotta get super in the State Farm gamerhood. I would love to see y’all interact in the games and if y’all would be teammates and so forth. Hope to see you in the gamerhood again this year!
It is important to note that for much of s4 super played the Orisa over Smurf cause of mental issues from what I heard. But that and his World Cup performance showed he was probably just as good as Smurf on the hero, that same s4 I would’ve legit put super as 3rd or 4th best Winston which is saying a lot, but he played it a lot that season and was really good on it. There’s no conversation of who the western goat is, it’s super and probably always will be super. Also if he stayed for s5 shock would’ve won the championship that year, but they had two subpar Winston players against one of the goats of the hero. Also in s4 2021 super and his tank mate Choihyobin were the best duo bar none, their team was a lot worse in comparison to previous years, and they both still carried most of their wins.
We love clowning on the felon, but he is unironically one of the best pro ow players of all time, and quite firmly the best main tank player of all time
God I remember how good it was seeing loads of TF2 6's players make it big in OW coming from such a small scene - even if it did give us teams like S1 Florida Mayhem
I like the part of e-sports that takes from other sports. makes watching between rounds not boring and if you know people on the scene then interviews and discussions that they do tend to be quite funny
7:18 Lud asks if Rein is cringe/boring and weirdly enough I think he's gone from one of the least interesting tanks to see in competitive play to one of the cooler ones. Back in Overwatch 1, there were 2 tanks, and very quickly people figured out that stacking shield tanks (Reinhardt, Sigma, Orisa) was really strong as one tank could hold shield while the other one let theirs recharge. I'm fairly sure this was known as the bunker meta and it got really stale really quickly. Nowadays, in Overwatch 2, there is only 1 tank, and because of this there's no one else to hold the shield for rein when it's down. He's also a melee character which means that he really struggles into long range or mobile characters. I might be wrong about this but he is now considered one of the worse tanks in the game, which makes him so much more exciting to see in high level play.
Ever since OW 2 released I’ve always felt that Reinhardt is the most respectable tank. And i think most people agree. Funny enough you can put Winston in that category of cringe although that spot is reserved for zarya as well. XQC played the cringe tank, Reinhardt is the man and will never not be
Anyone who was actually in OW knows the goat of competitive play was ChipSA obviously, he earned his spot fairly with hard work and had nothing to do with his brother being a coach at the time. Seriously the lack of education here, smh my head.
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Super coaches Ludwig in overwatch would be incredible
I watched super coach one of his silver viewers and hes so bad at putting things into words so itd be really funny
The worst coach of all time meets the worst student of all time
@internetpotato8948perfect content
best content Lud's had since the subathon frfr, I miss OW, I'm glad its back even if its just for a season or 3
Hate to break it to you, OW isn’t gonna get revived
super is insanely good at ow. he is one of the goats of ow. everyone that says otherwise wasnt there and is clueless
Yea but the reason people argue that super isn't a goat was because he had a cracked team.
Violet, Sinatraa, Moth, Striker, Choi and some others were all also insane players.
Super's team for his whole career basically had top 10-20 players on it but people just don't give him the credit because he didn't make flashy plays
He absolutely was great, but the GOAT title has to go to Lip, bro literally carried entire pro teams on his back.
@b@basicname1555I always like to turn that argument around, because in a team full of the best players of all time, he was right there with them
Probs goat content/player mixed but def not goat as player alone. Gets my respect cuz he kept content up simultaneously tho
@LLord-hg7vp The only time I'd say Lip didn't have a goated team was in 2023 when he was with the Atlanta Reign and for NA standards they were solid. Shanghai dragons and Crazy raccoons have/had some of the best players of all time playing with Lip. Overall I've never seen as heavy a carry as what Proper did for SF shock in his rookie season. We are talking about a team of players where the only top tier players were striker and a slightly washed offrole violet getting to 2nd place in the Finals and breaking records for the most consecutive wins in season. Proper has been winning more since his team is absolutely cracked now but Crazy Racoons is similarly good so we will see what the future brings.
Super gets a lot of flack from chat, but he is deadass a GOAT. He carried the scene while Overwatch was in the absolute depths of hell with no updates or communication from Blizzard.
Team USA 2023
Dedicated Sigma player decides to go on Calorie Cut and loses his mental resiliance.
SuperTF is a hero, comes back and carries Team USA to top 6
Well yeah that's how being a streamer works generally
@alphahawk325 nah super's chat is a lot worse than most chats because he gives attention to the negativity. I dont think he personally gets affected by it but because he has funny reactions to the hate, the haters keep trying to get more attention by hating more. You don't get that many haters in someone like TenZ's chat or even like pge's because they don't entertain the haters
@kevl4n109well yeah but Im saying to be fair most of the super "hate" is in lighthearted fun
@kevl4n109 the thing is though that it’s genuinely all (or at least mostly) in jest, it’s kinda crazy how fast they turn around whenever they feel there’s a solid reason to root for him. imo it makes it even more valuable due to how much they like to poke fun at him
Uber used to call him "super the finisher", because they would put him in for map 5 to close out the game and he would usually pop off
The famous reverse sweep vs Washington Justice, like actual chills
@mdaily318iconic
It's funny how people outside don't know that Super is part of the goat conversation while xQc got replaced by Taimou's Winston.
wow I had completely memory-holed Taimou winston LMAO I can't believe that ever happened
thank you for reminding me about Taimou winston LOL
finally get to watch my glorious king get glazed then reacted to by fatchudlolcow
super on any tank makes peak XQC's winston look like you let grandma on the setup
80 year old Canadian still plays Winston the old-fashioned way: not a single right click
suepr was good but nowhere near peak xqc on rein/winston
dallas fuel had a shit coach and shit players that didnt help effect/x
why are we comparing super to xqc?? surely we compare him to an actual good tank during his time like void or gesture
@oniidanteholy copium
@oniidante Take a look at liquipedia. They are not in the same league.
It's pretty hard to say who the best player is because of the different roles, but at the time he was 100% a contender for the best main tank to ever touch the game
Especially in a league completely dominated by Koreans. He put NA on his back. Man OWL was a blast for a minute there and I'm not even a big esports fan.
So hillarious when ludwig says "hes never punished, so lucky" meanwhile Feinberg was talking like this about him EXACTLY like this in the past 😂 (and honestly even now LOL)
Oh man. You got the whole crowd laughing....
@DrowsyYo Insufferable
@DrowsyYo we got mr frowns over here
i did go for zero for no reason. sad mode
@DrowsyYo and drowsy stays drowsy.
Super is a meme but he's genuinely the greatest Rein and Hog player in Overwatch history
I’d give him rein, but he was also a top 5 Zarya in his prime
Stay off my goat gesture ( I agree with you)
cloudy?
@nicename29don’t make me laugh bro
Best genji player in World Cup history 😏
"Can Ludwig and Squeex reach Plat on Overwatch?? Getting coached by a 2-time champ (supertf)"
also that video really doesnt show him off very well LMAO
I’m an Overwatch head and watched Owl back in the day so watching Lud know absolutely nothing was painful
Yeah some of his takes were terrible about OWL lol.
Big fan of overwatch and Ludwig. I'm SCREAMING at my TV with the ignorance of every lud take. Overwatch in from 2016-2019 was a peak of gaming
im also a big fan of overwatch and ludwig it feels like my worlds are colliding right now
Super was easily a top 10 player during his time in Overwatch League, even when he was benched due to the meta. SF Shock were just so stacked that the rest of the lineup was equally as good as him, if not better.
Sorry but you cant be a top 10 if you get benched because your roster isn't adaptable enough.
Brother he's fighting for time with smurf and Choi, two other all time tank players. You also don't need to, and shouldn't be adaptable if you have a big enough roster since doing a few tanks really well is worth more than a ton of characters okay to good if you can have 3+ tank players on the roster.
@sloesty You actually have no idea what your talking about. Like the dude above me said, there's no point in him knowing a bit of another tank when there's someone else able to play them better, rather if he focus's on rein he can "carry" when rein is meta
@ZShellsso you agree with me. He is not the goat of ow but just the goat of rein?
@sloestyThats a pretty ass take from someone who I’m guessing haven’t touched overwatch. He could be the undisputed rein GOAT and still get benched during that meta. They signed different tanks for coverage. It’s so fundamentally different playing Rein and Orisa that it’s almost impossible for one player to be the best at both at the same time.
“Super was Kevin Love” is fucking crazy by the way
surely he's at least 2015 Jeff Teague
More like at least 2010 joe Johnson
shiii what about 2013 John Wall (I just like to imagine Super hitting that mean dougie) 🤔🤔🤔
I feel like Lud doesn’t understand that the back to back shock teams were straight up super teams in sports terms. Everyone on those rosters were top 5 in their roles. Super was the best main tank in the league in 2019 and was easily the best main tank in the 2020 playoffs and the best Reinhardt that year. But he also had the best off tank, best dps and best supports in the league as well. The best way to describe them is like the USA Olympic Basketball team. And amongst all players he was the mvp runner up behind Sinatraa in 2019. It’s hard to compare players between roles in overwatch but super was a top 5 tank by the end of ow1 no doubt about it. He’s still arguably top 5 now, but there are arguments to be made he moved down.
Also the reason he shares time with Smurf is because both of them were legit top 5 main tank players during the ow1 era. Like the reason super and Smurf got benched for each other is because they were just elite at different heroes on different maps. So they would share time on the same heroes and just got swapped around depending on the maps, but primarily were playing their respective hero’s. The best way to describe it is if LeBron and Steph curry were on the same team during the 2010s. Both all time great players but they just played different roles, but within the same role.
How dare you hate me more than supertf. I’m swag
swag out Lime
As a massive OW fan, a massive Super fan (as much as I hate him), and massive lud fan, it’s awesome to see them all come together.
Super was one of the best tank players of all time, and could have shown how versatile he is if he wasn’t on a team with the other best tanks in the world. I think the real kicker is that he left OWL for a year or two, and then came back to compete in the World Cup. He streamed his tryouts for the American team, and he was walking over the other tanks.
He’s not flashy, but he has crazy game sense and crazy communication skills. Just a fantastic player overall.
That USA roster was inted by having Gator as coach, hydron on hs and then not starting super for the start of the tournament. I’ll legit never forgive them
@mdaily318fr their coach was abysmal and didn’t let the players do their thing at all.
viol2t did not carry super. viol2t was insane, as ans was insane in the second champ but super did unbelivable plays. he was the goat tank. there is no denying it
for ow1 tanks he was like the 3-5th best - i really like super but fearless smurf void and arguably guxue and choi were all better
@g@gritilazz_3478fearless over super omg bruh. super was the best main tank full stop, Smurf probs tank goat but he also played in ow2 and like 3 years longer. Choi is the off tank goat tho. Putting Guxue above super shows you have no ball knowledge.
I’m a Guxue glazer, but it depends on the hero. We are talking about arguably the best Winston of all time and the best rein of all time. It’s hard to judge who’s the overall goat cause ow is too complicated for that type of discussion/comparison
@mda@mdaily318o Guxue juggling tho🤤.
@C@CammoNissepretty lights fan at that point
A thing about OW is you can have standout players in different roles, but OW at high level, everyone has to do well to allow everyone to excel.
Tanks make space for DPS to do damage so that they can protect Supports who keep the Tanks healthy.
Ludwig got into basketball about a month ago and now relates everything to it
Super and Smurf were number 1 and 2 main tank players in the league all time
its so funny how much he does not understand any of what is going on lol
As someone waaaay too invested in Overwatch and Overwatch Esports, perhaps I can impart some wisdom for Ludwig and the non-Overwatch fans here:
Is Super the best Overwatch player of all time? No. Was he the best player on his team? No. But what he was, in my opinion, is the best teammate of all time. There are countless pro players who have said that they wanted to play for the Shock because they wanted to play with Super. People in the scene just liked the guy. He is one of the best main tanks of all time, the best Reinhardt of all time, and one of the best shotcallers of all time. He also singehandedly carried the esport for like 3 years when it came to content and personality. The video makes it seem like there were no other personalities in the Overwatch League. Which isn't true, but about 70% to 80% of all the pro players were Koreans, and therefore they were never going to be as popular as personalities or content creators in America. Which is why it kinda came down to Super having to carry the esport.
Was Super carried? No, absolutely not. The Shock (who I will be glazing as they are my favorite team) put together an insane roster in Season 2. Viol2t, Smurf, Choihyobin, and Rascal are all some of the best players to ever touch this game. Viol2t is considered by many to be the GOAT of this game. Smurf is the only player to win 3 rings. Choihyobin is one of the best off tank players of all time, whose career could've been even greater if he didn't have to leave for his military service after Season 4, and Rascal also has 3 rings, 2 as a player and 1 as a coach. Yes, Super was benched during the playoffs when he won his first ring, but that had to do with the meta. The 3 tank 3 support comp Ludwig mentioned was called GOATS and it lasted for 3 of the 4 stages during Season 2. During this time, Super played and was the best Reinhardt in the world. But going into Stage 4 and the playoffs, the meta changed and Smurf played because A) his Orisa was better and B) he could communicate better with Choihyobin cause they were both Korean and the Orisa Sigma tank combo needed strong communication between the two tanks. The Season 3 playoffs saw Super and Smurf splitting time between each other based on whether or not they were playing Wrecking Ball or Roadhog with the Sigma, which is why he was playing on that last map when he won his second ring.
Some other random questions that were asked:
Who is the GOAT of Overwatch? - Lip (Korean DPS player). He has 1 ring, and has won more tournaments/stages than anybody else in history. He is also 6'5" and is jokely referred to as the "7 foot gaming warlord." The 2026 OWCS season will be his last before he has to go do military service. I will be very sad to see him go.
Is the Overwatch League dead? - Yes. It lasted 6 seasons. Fun fact, the worst 4 teams in Season 1 went on to win the next 5 seasons, with the Shock winning Season 2 and Season 3, the Shanghai Dragons winning Season 4, the Dallas Fuel winning Season 5, and the Florida Mayhem winning Season 6. The esport now is called the Overwatch Champions Series, or OWCS. This 2026 season will be the third season. It functions completely differently from the Overwatch League, but I think it's a bit easier to follow than OWL was, which is a good thing. Super could costream it if he wanted to, but his normal stream time does no coincide with the time of the matches, so he almost never does.
Did the teams have to live in the cities like Guangzhou or Seoul or Dallas? - No. Whoever said that in his chat is straight up lying. Season 1 all the teams were in LA. Season 2 they played in a couple of different U.S. cities. Season 3 is when COVID happened and all play went online. So then it didn't matter where the teams played from. Some teams went back to Korea so their Korean players could be at home, the Chinese players went back home to China, and for the most part the teams who remained in America stayed in LA. I know the Shock had a team house in SF, but I don't know how much time they actually spent there. The Houston Outlaws had their team play in Houston, and I know in Season 6 the Toronto Defiant played from Toronto. But for the most part the teams who didn't go back to Korea just stayed in LA.
There were more questions Ludwig asked, but I'm too lazy to go find them, so if anybody actually cares enough to ask me some questions, feel free to ask.
RIP to theScore esports btw. Such a loss for the gaming scene.
Wait what happened to them?
@duckadence layoffs. Their whole division was let go.
bruh, i used to watch them a lot. and they pulled it quite a lot of sponsors too. what a dumb move
Their content fell off in a massive way the last few years. Felt like they were just a bunch of counter strike players that didn't like any other games
@bl0ssum143I mean they had a lot of pretty popular lol content also recently
ludwig straight up sounds like a dad trying to learn about a new thing, the judgement and all
xqc would only show up in those "what happened to these player who were drafted before x player" shorts
what does that even mean? xqc hate is so forced..
For anyone who wasn’t there for the OW1 days you can just imagine super as the”Magic Johnson” of the OWL he’s not in top 3 discussions but at the same time he’s def 4th and if you know ball like that you can lowk make a GOAT case for him
More like Tim Duncan tbh, but I can see Magic with him being a very good shot caller and "floor commander".
he is not the 4th best player dude (maybe if we talking about tank) but he is not top 3 all time
@ramfarid1if you’re talking ab Ow and including OW2 then you’re correct but that wildly unfair considering the game largely changed for Ow2 and we never seen super get to play competitively.I was talking about OW1 specifically in which he does EASILY have a t4 spot and imho he’s contending against fearless, Choi and lip(for goat status idk how lip has an argument when speaking on OW1 strictly I still think the 6 teams when they spit in 2020 that were in Asia were highkey ass except for Seoul and Shanghai and which ever 3rd team had a dps player who’s character was meta) and arguing otherwise only shows that you weren’t REALLY there watching the games
If you’re talking about OW1 era, it makes sense to have him that high (idk how u not have Viol2t on your goatswhen he is clearly the best on that era). But overall he is not even in top 5 discussions (lip, smurf, viol2t, shu, and either fearless/fielder/hanbin on 5)
@ramfarid1 brother you have to put profit in there, the guy was a fucking menace on pretty much every dps in the game and had insane longevity. Like in 2017 and 2018 the man was a top 3 player on almost every dps hero in the game, he was so insane.
Coaches in high level overwatch are usually not very good as individual players, but rather very good at what they do, and have a very good way of communicating and conveying possible issues while analyzing gameplay.
I want to see Lud's Overwatch arc, path to GM1 when?
he's never reaching that lmfao, seeing him get to plat would be fun. It would be like getting into league for him since he can't rely on aim to carry him so he'd actually need to learn the game
@sirpentineplays5560 Yeah I think he can probably get to diamond if he improves his mechanics dramatically and learns the game, I don't think he genetically can reach GM lol
I dont think Lud understands the concept of being “benched” in OWL. These rosters were literally 12 people, they would mix and match and sub continuously throughout maps (literally like an NBA game subbing in their role players).
Supertf is actually the lebron james of overwatch
Love seeing XQC catch a random stray ❣️
Seeing his chat just gaslight him about OW is such a ragebait 😂
Luds eyes lit up when he saw xqc slander
Supertf reset pull
23:20 he's like the tenz of overwatch, many of the players in OWL were and are korean and don't speak fluent english and he and Dante were the biggest personalities within the league. There are loads of fun overwatch creators that have great personalities, but they were never good enough for the league. Except maybe Samito, but he stopped playing profesionally quite early on.
why was lud blushing at 18:30
Super is the GOAT in OW, no one can touch him on the tank role. Violet is Pippen to Super Jordan
What a surprise that supertf came from team fortress
and now it stands for "The Felon"
What kinda ending is that, am missing content here?? 27:42
It was recorded just after S4 of OWL wrapped up. There’s not loads more in his Overwatch career.
He agreed to come back to sf shock but then retired before the season started. Shock ended up getting 2nd that year, stacked team other than didn’t have a good tank after super left
Ludwig can not mentally comprehend a team game without a lebron
Ludwig doesn’t give kyrie and Kevin love enough credit.
Super slander is just crass
If anyone in chat actually watched OWL, they'd know just how insanely out of touch it is to say that xQc wasn't at least top 100.
4:35 says the man in his 30's
he’s bad at games so
@ledymariahypocrisy
Wait thats crazy that Super Team Fortress played TF2
11:04 too busy reading chat to notice super literally getting carried
Ludwigs gotta learn wrecking ball, vid will end w/ a broken keyboard
super is the goat tank of OW1.
probably behind viol2t and lip overall for OW1.
I love super but this isnt even close to being true
Goat main tank, you gotta differentiate them with ow1. Lip also wasn’t in goat conversation for ow1 imo, you put profit up there.
ludwig x tf2 6s crossover rare
i'm getting suggested these videos earlier and earlier soon i'm going to watch one of these like 10 seconds after it comes out
Prime super was truly felonious on the Hog and Rein back in the day 🙏
Super is instantly good at any game he tries. When he isnt and people challenge him. He locks in and grinds until hes the best.
Ludwig, play deadlock with supertf, it's like league but fun.
Second this
Wanna see Deathy coach him on Deadlock while super reacts to him being a fatchudlolcow on yet another game
Like no joke super was genuinely and still is one of the best players to ever play the game. And to comment on owl, he was probably most consistent tank player for 2-3 years? He did have a stacked team around him but you can’t say that he still wasn’t top 5 in every category when he played. Smurf was the best Winston in the world at one point and super didn’t play in those Metas but you watched super in scrims or ranked or maps when he had to play a hero he didn’t play. Still was top 5 consistently. We can joke all we want about it but no doubt is genuinely top 5 ever and even to this day if he played every day would still be able to compete at the highest level or top ranked charts. He obviously prefers to stream but the talent and game sense in nearly every game he plays is still top tier. God gifted gamer but we still shit on him because he’s super.
“Is XQC the goat of Winston” smh, bro does not know ball.
I actually think ludwig would like overwatch if he actually gave it a real try
anybody talking shit on kevin love doesn't remember when he guarded steph 1 on 1 lockdown d with time winding down to secure the game
i think the easiest way to describe tank in ow is that imagine if in american football, your team cant pass the line of scrimmage unless your center linesman is over it. like hes not gonna make a touch down but you cant make a touch down without him
Glaze glaze glaze glaze
If super wasn't actual as good as everyone else on SF shock when they were dominating and wasn't instrumental to their win, he would have been dropped. You can't throw on a chopped pro onto the team and seriously think they'll last more than one season if they aren't up to the level of the rest of the team, who were world class at the time
As soon as Super joined the SF Shock they went from an average team to winning Grand Finals back to back. Like, he is just the cutest ooey-gooey-est dulce et decorum est-est gamer.
Why does Ludwig seem more pessimistic nowadays. He lost his childlike wonder
cant wait to see him play overwatch in 10 days
SF Shock had the best tank core in OW history. Choi the goat off tank, Smurf the goat orisa and Winston, Super the goat rein and hog
super passed his torch down to Pge
Everybody knows that the absolute goat of gaming is Billy Mitchell 😂
He's the C9 Sneaky of Overwatch
another chance for a tf2 tournament with jerma
The Overwatch Stream/Video GOAT will ALWAYS be Seagull
Some of the B-roll is BRUTAL
LUDWIG is good at 2d platform video games
i beat this guy in tekken once, the title now goes to me
did not expect both the 2016 Cavs and tucking to be mentioned in the same stream
You'll go far someday buddy keep workin
Lud you gotta get super in the State Farm gamerhood. I would love to see y’all interact in the games and if y’all would be teammates and so forth. Hope to see you in the gamerhood again this year!
It is important to note that for much of s4 super played the Orisa over Smurf cause of mental issues from what I heard. But that and his World Cup performance showed he was probably just as good as Smurf on the hero, that same s4 I would’ve legit put super as 3rd or 4th best Winston which is saying a lot, but he played it a lot that season and was really good on it. There’s no conversation of who the western goat is, it’s super and probably always will be super.
Also if he stayed for s5 shock would’ve won the championship that year, but they had two subpar Winston players against one of the goats of the hero.
Also in s4 2021 super and his tank mate Choihyobin were the best duo bar none, their team was a lot worse in comparison to previous years, and they both still carried most of their wins.
blidwig is back
We love clowning on the felon, but he is unironically one of the best pro ow players of all time, and quite firmly the best main tank player of all time
to make a mistake is to learn. to be a mistake is to ludwig.
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best way to describe it, super is the TenZ of overwatch
needed a chills warning when clicking on the vid.
God I remember how good it was seeing loads of TF2 6's players make it big in OW coming from such a small scene - even if it did give us teams like S1 Florida Mayhem
Lud kept bringing up XQC but that like his only connection to the game. The dude wasn't even big or good. He's just loud.
im just go outta my way and say you werent there
@dtg9k355he was good for a singular season before everyone else surpassed him.
@fidelcatto4732 he stopped grinding because OWL keep banning him? wonder why everyone surpassed him LOL
Super is so goated he and his fanbase spreads propaganda of him being washed because the lowlights are rarer than the highlight reel
I thought this was a super video
not too much on my fav felon
3 min is crazy
it was good man
I like the part of e-sports that takes from other sports. makes watching between rounds not boring and if you know people on the scene then interviews and discussions that they do tend to be quite funny
lugwig and his chat is basically the blind leading the blind
Wouldn’t say he was the best technical tank of all time. But probably the most consistent.
supertf industry plant
im so dumb. how did i not realize that it was THAT super
7:18 Lud asks if Rein is cringe/boring and weirdly enough I think he's gone from one of the least interesting tanks to see in competitive play to one of the cooler ones. Back in Overwatch 1, there were 2 tanks, and very quickly people figured out that stacking shield tanks (Reinhardt, Sigma, Orisa) was really strong as one tank could hold shield while the other one let theirs recharge. I'm fairly sure this was known as the bunker meta and it got really stale really quickly. Nowadays, in Overwatch 2, there is only 1 tank, and because of this there's no one else to hold the shield for rein when it's down. He's also a melee character which means that he really struggles into long range or mobile characters. I might be wrong about this but he is now considered one of the worse tanks in the game, which makes him so much more exciting to see in high level play.
Ever since OW 2 released I’ve always felt that Reinhardt is the most respectable tank. And i think most people agree. Funny enough you can put Winston in that category of cringe although that spot is reserved for zarya as well. XQC played the cringe tank, Reinhardt is the man and will never not be
Anyone who was actually in OW knows the goat of competitive play was ChipSA obviously, he earned his spot fairly with hard work and had nothing to do with his brother being a coach at the time. Seriously the lack of education here, smh my head.
LMFAOOZIZI
Refresh pull is toe tickling.