Mechanical Computer (All Parts) - Basic Mechanisms In Fire Control Computers

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  • @chriskeller3705
    @chriskeller3705 3 года назад +150

    I swear these videos from the 30s-50s do the best job at explaining things

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 2 года назад +25

      Its because this was before electronic computers and software, so it was the only game in town. Experience beats theory all day long, so experienced practitioners of mechanical engineering can easily explain it to you, meanwhile theoretical mech engineers in your modern schools say "this is how I learned it secondhand". Its not really that we've gotten dumber. We just don't have people that are so experiential.

    • @jcboysha117
      @jcboysha117 Год назад +12

      @@neglectfulsausage7689 That and folks were paid to have pride in their work, not this "get it done" attitude of the modern day. It was about getting it done *right*.

    • @driftliketokyo34ftw35
      @driftliketokyo34ftw35 Год назад +6

      This was back when the world didn’t move at breakneck pace.

    • @imafackinjunglist
      @imafackinjunglist Год назад +4

      Because people took it seriously enough and they were allowed to be more cross skilled. Nowadays people learn a whole lot and then get put on a laser focused role, get disenfranchised and then the whole thing goes to shit.

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Год назад +4

      Or this is just survivorship bias

  • @HustleMuscleGhias
    @HustleMuscleGhias 6 лет назад +163

    My grandfather served on the USS Wisconsin in the 1950s in the secondary battery control room. We watched this video together and he's been telling me nonstop stories and memories about the MK. 1 Fire Control Computer, as well as his time in the Navy. Thank you!

    • @daveybernard1056
      @daveybernard1056 5 лет назад +2

      You should mention a story or two about this! Great Stuff

    • @happyhaunter_5546
      @happyhaunter_5546 4 года назад +2

      A team of FC's and ET's from my ship (USS Stout DDG 55) got her antennae turning and burning again.

    • @petershimkus4980
      @petershimkus4980 10 месяцев назад +1

      My dad worked for Arma corporation during WWII who built many of the fire control computers. His specialty was gear train design. When I was younger I couldn't grasp the concept he would tell me of a mechanical computer, TRS-80s were just becoming popular. I really wish this video was available back in the 80s so I could appreciate his work when he was still with us.

  • @deiu9999
    @deiu9999 8 лет назад +157

    Now that's how things should be explained in school... So clear..

    • @chinguunerdenebadrakh7022
      @chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 3 года назад +8

      Well, I'd bet the guy who wrote the script and narrating it are paid way more than your average teacher. There's also the fact that correct understanding of the material affected the lives of hundreds if not thousands of sailors directly and the war effort of hundreds of millions people indirectly, so there's more effort.

    • @shatteredsquare
      @shatteredsquare Год назад

      given a school wants you to understand in the first place

  • @onera123
    @onera123 10 лет назад +126

    After seeing this film on the elegance of mechanical computers I really want to build one myself :)

  • @david203
    @david203 8 лет назад +74

    Note that in the 1960s and 1970s the words "computing" and "computers" changed their meanings as stored-program digital computers came into widespread use. What used to be called computers, used for fire control (as here), astronomical prediction, gasoline consumption, and other applications, are now called "calculators", to indicate that they calculate some continuous function of the inputs, rather than evaluating a general series of logical steps (an algorithm) involving the inputs. This is why we now call these mechanical devices (including the Antikythera mechanism) calculators rather than computers. The principles of modern calculators are generally different from the principles of modern computers. We do have examples of pneumatic and other mechanical computers, used as toys or in industrial process control, but their performance does not even remotely approach that of electronic logic gates, flip-flops, memory devices and other such specialized components packed onto integrated circuits.

    • @sokuna2404
      @sokuna2404 8 лет назад +3

      Well that's sort of a comparison between a special purpose or general purpose computer. We can also observe the transition in cars as we shifted from mechanical mechanisms to sensors and circuits to analog ECUs to general purpose computers running control software.

    • @JohnnyWishbone85
      @JohnnyWishbone85 8 лет назад +8

      Before WWII, actually a computer was a person, during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, usually a woman with a degree in mathematics (though not always, many of the tables used in astro-navigation were computed by previously out-of-work accountants and engineers as part of a federal jobs program), who would do the heavy number-crunching for scientific endeavors, such as calculating the stress on a dam, wind tunnel fluid dynamics problems, or astronomy. The world's first professional computer programmers, for instance, were the computers who converted problems from human-readable math into machine readable form.

    • @dannyversmoren1284
      @dannyversmoren1284 8 лет назад +10

      @Johnny When my father was conscripted in the early 1960's to the big field artillery they still did the 'computing' by hand. Two soldiers did the maths with a table and a slide ruler. If both had the same outcome it was a go. But when one of the couples in that line of canons had a difference my father's job (as an officer with a PhD) was to have done the calculation in his head already and decide. His tremendous speed didn't prove to be very inspiring later helping me with homework. So I copied his tactics: just imagine the computing and the tools in your head. It really works and even better: guys serving in the artillery regularly become deaf to one ear, the one closest to the BOOM. Since he was sitting right in the middle of a battery of 5-6, he is deaf as a post now. Good times...

    • @JohnDoe-ni9zm
      @JohnDoe-ni9zm 8 лет назад +4

      In a way these geared calculators are like a physical algorithm, no?

    • @rdfox76
      @rdfox76 8 лет назад +6

      That's exactly what they are. The full fire control problem was quite literally solving differential equations, and these computers could do it just as quickly and reliably as later electronic computers--actually slightly more accurately than modern digital computers (the analog computing did not have to include approximations). The one advantage the electronic computer has over the electromechanical computer is the ease with which it can be reprogrammed to do different sorts of calculations; these fire control computers had to be literally built for the ship that they were to be used on. While the basic computer itself could be used, any change in the guns that it was controlling required an entirely separate set of cams and gears to represent the different ballistic performance of the gun--so a computer for the medium-velocity 5"/38-caliber gun couldn't be used with the higher-velocity 5"/54-caliber gun introduced just a few years later, without completely replacing the cams and gears used in it.

  • @MatthewVandeputte
    @MatthewVandeputte 10 лет назад +221

    How people designed this just absolutely blows my mind

    • @andrewolfelt453
      @andrewolfelt453 7 лет назад +37

      Designing this wouldn't really be difficult conceptually, but the effort put into machining, tuning, and calibrating the machine to give any semblance of a useful answer is admirable

    • @rock3tcatU233
      @rock3tcatU233 7 лет назад +33

      Designing a complicated mechanical machine with just a drafting table and a pencil also deserves a great deal of respect, even today with kinematically linked 3D MCAD software this would have been a pain in the ass to engineer.

    • @seen203
      @seen203 6 лет назад +15

      It really, really makes you respect the engineers before computers were mainstay. Hell, NASA put a man on the Moon using little more than sliderules.

    • @noname4422
      @noname4422 6 лет назад +6

      They used a lot more than slide rules. They not only used computers to plan the trip, but there was a computer on the ship itself.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

    • @seen203
      @seen203 6 лет назад +10

      What I said was:
      "Hell, NASA put a man on the Moon using little MORE than sliderules."
      And that is the onboard computer. That's only DURING the mission. There was a LOT more that was done to engineer the hardware[which was, uh, alot], mission profile, etc.
      www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/10/22/356937347/the-slide-rule-a-computing-device-that-put-a-man-on-the-moon
      "That seemingly simple tool has a serious resume. NASA engineers used slide rules to build the rockets and plan the mission that landed Apollo 11 on the moon. It's said that Buzz Aldrin needed his pocket slide rule for last-minute calculations before landing."
      ""The slide rule is an instrument that was used to design virtually everything," says Deborah Douglas, the director of collections and curator of science and technology at the MIT Museum in Cambridge, Mass. The museum just ended a three-year exhibit on slide rules. "The size of a sewer pipe, the weight-bearing ability of a cardboard box, even rocket ships and cars.""

  • @totallymcmylastname9077
    @totallymcmylastname9077 9 лет назад +185

    This thing explains computing better than most modern textbooks...

    • @sickleandsuckle
      @sickleandsuckle 9 лет назад +27

      back when education was taken more seriously ?

    • @punklife366
      @punklife366 9 лет назад

      +sickleandsuckle ..

    • @sickleandsuckle
      @sickleandsuckle 9 лет назад

      hmm?

    • @punklife366
      @punklife366 9 лет назад +3

      sickleandsuckle it's taken more serious now(unless you live in usa)
      Try opening your textbook.

    • @sickleandsuckle
      @sickleandsuckle 9 лет назад +1

      I'd say that in some parts of the US, education is still taken very seriously. Also, if you personally take education seriously, you will get ahead of the pack regardless of country.

  • @matoatlantis
    @matoatlantis 8 лет назад +57

    Videos like these are pure gold. It seems that was a golden era for US navy (military) when it comes to educational videos ..

  • @Centuries_of_Nope
    @Centuries_of_Nope 10 лет назад +34

    The brilliance to design such machines is inspiring.

    • @clintrunsthis
      @clintrunsthis 10 лет назад +7

      your user name is awesome does it have a meaning or is it a fuck it number pad tantrum and a j for fun type of thing?

  • @SteveGreenwald
    @SteveGreenwald 12 лет назад +4

    The U.S. Navy also used these during the Korean War. Very clever stuff. The existence of analog computers like these allowed the creation of the "CIC" (combat information center). We stand on the shoulders of giants.

  • @trevorharris5830
    @trevorharris5830 11 лет назад +8

    This is awesome! Not only is it just a really neat subject but it is also presented in a way that's simple, but not dumbed down.

  • @PAULBLUNTZER
    @PAULBLUNTZER 12 лет назад +3

    Where were you when I was in college? This guy explained it better than any professor I had.

  • @vincent7520
    @vincent7520 11 лет назад +7

    How clear it is… very didactic. Could still be shown to young students at school …

  • @therealzilch
    @therealzilch 8 лет назад +45

    When I was a kid you could get surplus B-52 ranging sights for about ten bucks. They were also mechanical computers with lots of nice gears, ball bearings, optics (two very good 2" achromats suitable for small telescopes) and a great air-driven gyroscope.
    Cost for taxpayers in 1942 supposedly around $7000. Worth at least that much to me and many other nerdy kids.

    • @288gto7
      @288gto7 2 года назад

      Nice, i wish i had one too. Also do you mean 1952 and not 1942? Because b52 entered service first in 1952

    • @therealzilch
      @therealzilch 2 года назад +5

      @@288gto7 Oops. Thanks for the correction. I did a little research and found out what I had was not a B-52 bombsight, but a B-29 drift meter. Lots of ball bearings and lenses.

  • @okboing
    @okboing 4 года назад +2

    I like how blatant the design of the barrel cam is so blatant. It's hard to describe. You would never know what it is for unless someone told you, and you never would be able to come up with it yourself, but when you see it you realise how simple it is for such a complex problem.

  • @0MoTheG
    @0MoTheG 8 лет назад +13

    The multiplication 36:00 was the most interesting part. I would not have had that simple idea.

    • @joaovitormatos8147
      @joaovitormatos8147 2 года назад

      Yeah, it's basically a y=ax+b function

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 2 года назад

      hey gurl u into math cause we could divide your legs, add my digits, and then multiply

  • @Peacock486
    @Peacock486 9 лет назад +40

    So cams are basically physical lookup tables?

    • @Bkgoodman11
      @Bkgoodman11 9 лет назад +9

      +Peacock486 Sort of - but moreso linear functions. If they were truly lookup tables, they would be non-linear and discrete - so there would be discontinuities, "sharp edges" or even holes/gaps that would probably prevent any rollers from working correctly on them.

    • @richardhall9815
      @richardhall9815 8 лет назад +10

      Yeap, as long as they're defining continuous functions. Common examples include reciprocals, square roots, superelevation angle for the guns vs, target range, time of flight vs. range, etc. Also remember it will engage the runout at the edge of the cam if the input gets out of bounds. My grandfather was stationed in a gun director on a destroyer during the war and was well acquainted with this equipment.

  • @aryesegal1988
    @aryesegal1988 10 лет назад +10

    Absolutely amazing! :] As a M.E. student, this fascinates me a lot. Thank you for sharing :)

  • @starmanssciencechannel1834
    @starmanssciencechannel1834 4 года назад +5

    Very useful for Venus probe design

  • @UnrelatedAntonym
    @UnrelatedAntonym Год назад

    Love seeing how computing was accomplished mechanically, love these old educational films.
    Sometimes I like to imagine digital programming like a machine.

  • @jabelsjabels
    @jabelsjabels 12 лет назад +6

    Oh man, did they make any more videos like this? I could watch this stuff all day.

  • @BlitzvogelMobius
    @BlitzvogelMobius 11 лет назад +4

    I always wondered how mechanical fire control computers were built. I would like to see one for the B-29's remote turrent systems.

  • @jpalm32
    @jpalm32 10 лет назад +12

    WE still had that when I was in Navy in the 60's

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 4 года назад

      Electronic fire conrol computers were invented in the late 40s and early 50s. But they weren't in widespread use in the fleet until much later, with the exception of newer ships. The US navy had plenty of WW2 surplus and thus most still used traditional mechanical computers, unless they were modernized along the way.

  • @jfyish
    @jfyish 12 лет назад +2

    this is amazing and very clever use of mechanical to do computer

  • @27GX76R
    @27GX76R 7 лет назад +4

    Absolutely beautiful. Mind = blown.

  • @rock3tcatU233
    @rock3tcatU233 6 лет назад +1

    It makes me happy to know that mechanical computers are now making a comeback.

  • @senormedia
    @senormedia 9 месяцев назад +1

    Those designers were f-ing brilliant

  • @Anonymous-ks8el
    @Anonymous-ks8el Год назад

    Math never changes. The mechanical means of computing essentials like trig functions & products has a simplicity that really demonstrates the theory and how it manifests in the real world
    This content would be great for students who are mechanically minded but not very good or interested in maths

  • @SynchroScore
    @SynchroScore 8 лет назад +48

    As a machinist, I'm watching this and feeling really puzzled as to how they managed to produce some of these cam shapes in the days before NC machines.

    • @ratchet1freak
      @ratchet1freak 8 лет назад +25

      +Sylderon plotting the values on a 2D chart using tables and good old fashioned pen and paper and then milling until the radius on each point is correct.
      After that a copier milling machine will copy the came shape of the master for mass production.

    • @mermelina
      @mermelina 8 лет назад +7

      +Sylderon Very easy my friend, hard work and not depending on google or smart phones like today's guys who want to copy and paste! hahaha! We used our own heads! If you saw the beauties I and my buddies created with files, lathes and milling machines and special tools WE created.

    • @SynchroScore
      @SynchroScore 8 лет назад +11

      +Peter Diaz I've done some similar work myself...turning and then polishing bearing bores to +/- a couple microns on an engine lathe, turning out shafting on a 1970 LeBlonde Regal with badly-worn ways and still getting it to +0 -0.0005 inch and a Ra32 finish with no taper as a daily routine. Granted, it took longer than my supervisor wanted, but that's because I didn't half-ass everything like he did.
      I often feel that perhaps I should've been born around the turn of the century than in the 1985.
      Also, I don't even have a smart phone; never cared for touch screens.

    • @bjl1000
      @bjl1000 6 лет назад

      It's called "Craftsmanship".

    • @robertlozyniak3661
      @robertlozyniak3661 4 года назад

      @@SynchroScore Have you ever used a mechanical calculator, the kind where you turn a crank handle to add the numbers?

  • @toasty4000000
    @toasty4000000 10 лет назад +54

    I wonder if people of the future will look back on our electronics and say "that is fucking insane, how did they even manage to come up with such a crazy contraption?" lol

    • @Leuel48Fan
      @Leuel48Fan 8 лет назад +6

      If you understand even slightly how they work (logic gates, binary counters, transistors), you've already said that a long time ago!

    • @toasty4000000
      @toasty4000000 8 лет назад +5

      Leuel48Fan As an electrical engineering senior, I have a pretty good understanding, and I cannot say I agree with you in the slightest.

    • @Leuel48Fan
      @Leuel48Fan 8 лет назад +6

      Kakunapod Why not? How a modern CPU works is just short of miraculous. Incredible engineering and testing the limit of physics going on there.

    • @toasty4000000
      @toasty4000000 8 лет назад +3

      Leuel48Fan Oh, Im sorry, I incorrectly remembered what I originally posted and didnt bother to read it when I replied :P Yes, modern electronics are impressively intimate, definitely happy with my degree choice

    • @Leuel48Fan
      @Leuel48Fan 8 лет назад

      Kakunapod lol ok. I myself are going to be studying Computer Science, should be great. Very interesting and cool field.

  • @iSolarSunrise
    @iSolarSunrise 11 лет назад

    This is the funniest and the most awesome video I've ever seen on "computers".

  • @DPowerOfRock
    @DPowerOfRock 6 лет назад +9

    This is really helpful for understanding the fundamentals of what computing actually is. I'm currently on course to move towards a software engineering career path, and I sometimes find it difficult to conceptualize how code interacts with the physical world, and this really does help give me an understanding.
    To me, it feels like every "program" back in those days wasn't written, but actually BUILT. That might be the basis behind phrases like "building code", and maybe not. Either way, this was extremely interesting and insightful.
    Thank you very much for this upload!

  • @mebossyounothing
    @mebossyounothing 12 лет назад

    This video is simply great, analog precision is the only endless precision, even today

  • @arandomhobbychannel6718
    @arandomhobbychannel6718 6 лет назад +1

    They explain things so well. I like electric computers, but i love mechanical computers. Plus it's easier to learn. Example: spend hours trying to figure out on your own how to tell a computer to turn a electric motor 60 times in a minute or you could do something easier by using gears to make a wheel turn 60 times in a minute. I would make a mechanical computer.

  • @flippert0
    @flippert0 10 месяцев назад

    Fascinating! As far as I know, mechanical computers were in use well into the 60s, before miniaturisation, reliability (and response time) of digital computers had advanced enought to replace them. It's one thing to computer ballistic curves by room-large computers ('45 - '55) and another thing to constantly control a moving object (and the moving objects on it).

  • @dzulkafleysamad3825
    @dzulkafleysamad3825 Год назад

    By the 4th minute of this video i am enlightened with how mechanical computers works, the basic concept that is .

  • @johnfeatherstone1
    @johnfeatherstone1 4 года назад

    Wow - so simple but exquisitely complicated! Wonderful to watch.

  • @raymondbivens5787
    @raymondbivens5787 9 лет назад +2

    So simple yet so complex

  • @user-ub5xs5ri7k
    @user-ub5xs5ri7k 8 лет назад +2

    Wow 63 years later... ten times more computing can be on a chip the size of a grain of salt. Technology at its best.

    • @jollyspyder5005
      @jollyspyder5005 8 лет назад +3

      in another 63 years the technology now will look like this video in comparison

  • @ArmorKingEmir
    @ArmorKingEmir 12 лет назад +1

    i now understand the c++ code even better

  • @elischultes6587
    @elischultes6587 2 месяца назад

    In the last year and a half I must be 200 of these views. So easy to fall asleep to

  • @DharambirPoddar
    @DharambirPoddar 7 лет назад

    just awesome ,i wondered to see those , how intelligently use those mechanical components to calculating ,,,,,,,,hats off

  • @BobbieBees
    @BobbieBees 9 лет назад +233

    Hopefully this technology doesn't fall into the hands of North Korea.

    • @wildcardbitchesss
      @wildcardbitchesss 9 лет назад +4

      +Bobbie Bees ahahahaha you son of a bitch!

    • @patrickbartosz8654
      @patrickbartosz8654 9 лет назад +15

      +Bobbie Bees You would actually be shocked at how effective this technology was.

    • @DualDesertEagle
      @DualDesertEagle 9 лет назад +3

      +Patrick Bartosz Watching this video makes me wonder if they would've missed their targets at all if their guns weren't shooting a little inconsistently.

    • @akoanani
      @akoanani 8 лет назад +1

      +Bobbie Bees they have known that already......for your information.....

    • @richardhall9815
      @richardhall9815 8 лет назад +19

      They kept the computer calibrated to the battery's average muzzle velocity (which changed over time due to powder temperature and other factors), and each gun could also apply a correction if its muzzle velocity strayed significantly from the mean (due to individual barrel wear, etc.). The computer also calculated for the effects of wind, ship roll/pitch, parallax due to distance between director and guns, and, most importantly, relative motion between ship and target. Spot corrections could be dialed in after observation of fall of shot (shell splashes). Computers for larger guns also corrected for Coriolis effect. Since a number of approximations had to be made in the fire control problem (including the assumption that the target's motion would remain in a straight line at constant speed during the shell's flight) and the computer's inputs relied on human operation in the director, its accuracy was by no means 100%, but this technology was state of the art in the 1940s.

  • @Dobriden_dobriden
    @Dobriden_dobriden 3 года назад

    Some humans are simply brilliant.

  • @goopesh6688
    @goopesh6688 10 лет назад +22

    can it run pong?

    • @stand-alone0
      @stand-alone0 9 лет назад +12

      lol, Maybe, if you custom built one for that task.

  • @NoahSpurrier
    @NoahSpurrier 10 лет назад

    This has a very good explanation of a differential.

  • @pissantsseemore7095
    @pissantsseemore7095 7 лет назад

    This will become an excellent laser math learning puzzle for children : addition, subtraction, multiplication and algebra. Thanks for sharing. ron

  • @nicolasvillamil7523
    @nicolasvillamil7523 6 лет назад

    Amazing how we engineered this. The insides look so ridiculously complicated.

  • @MichaelBenesch
    @MichaelBenesch 7 лет назад +2

    Near 11:55 the barrel cam is revealed to transcend all known laws of physics at the time, amazing that we do not use the technology anymore! The barrel cam is infinite and eternal.

    • @Nikarus2370
      @Nikarus2370 7 лет назад

      While it's cool and was useful for the time, it's also difficult to manufacture (can't simply turn one out, as it isn't cylindrical).

    • @darylmorning
      @darylmorning 6 лет назад +1

      How the hell do you machine that? I got the linear and the rotation wrapped but how the hell do you combine the two with machine tools of the era?

    • @jamespobog3420
      @jamespobog3420 6 лет назад +1

      I had the same question. How the hell do you figure it out? The answer is calculus, figuring many many many rectangles, small enough to get the resolution you need. The displacement of ships is figured the same way. It's like slices of bread. Slice that cam into 20,000 slices, figure the area/profile of each, then add it all together. Then for machining, you do that 1 'slice' at a time. Does that make sense?

    • @FlorenceSlugcat
      @FlorenceSlugcat 3 года назад

      It does not break any physical laws. Infinity does not equal to larger numbers or lenght. Infinity means there is no finite ammount of something, as you can always find a new variant that was never listed yet. That means infinity happends when it comes to decimals for example. What the narrator stated, is that it can output any number between x and y. And since that number includes decimals, then the ammount of possible outputs in infinite
      In a practical scenario, the ammount of possibilities is limited by the precision of the reading person or machine. But in theorical scenarios, the number is infinite, provided that your reading precision is infinite. This is similar to how at school in physics you do not consider the drag from air, or you assume a spherical cow.

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 2 года назад

      @@darylmorning Have you ever seen how woodworkers use a simple turning lathe and cut various shaped and swooping design elements into a shaft of wood? This isnt rocket sceince.

  • @markhorton8578
    @markhorton8578 10 лет назад

    Brilliant thanks for posting this.

  • @blackflare
    @blackflare 12 лет назад

    This is amazing how does it only have 8 comments ?

  • @rjw3737
    @rjw3737 5 лет назад

    They're genius. I was impressed.

  • @vincent7520
    @vincent7520 11 лет назад

    A "computer" at that time was a huge sophisticated slide rule. Or or hundreds of slide rules working together

  • @in1
    @in1 Год назад +1

    I will never forget "range change" ever again

  • @WhidbeyOne011
    @WhidbeyOne011 10 лет назад

    I love this. All this knowledge is being lost as machinists and mechanical engineers die off. Thanks for posting.

  • @antitesi411
    @antitesi411 3 года назад

    Simply beautiful.

  • @yelectric1893
    @yelectric1893 4 года назад

    Holy crap. This is super handy! I want to 3d print one.

  • @driftliketokyo34ftw35
    @driftliketokyo34ftw35 3 года назад

    This is oddly therapeutic.

  • @bmason1623
    @bmason1623 8 лет назад +2

    Great video. Is there a textbook that covers all of this as well as this video?

  • @hydrolisk1792
    @hydrolisk1792 12 лет назад

    That multiplier was epic!!

  • @Nova-gm7we
    @Nova-gm7we 8 месяцев назад

    These mechanisms are so clever

  • @thebroughamshow6985
    @thebroughamshow6985 2 года назад +1

    Absolutely incredible. America was amazing

  • @mikegilbert2654
    @mikegilbert2654 3 года назад

    Great film.

  • @rgawer2
    @rgawer2 8 лет назад

    such a great video, i can really loose myself in this stuff.

  • @kameronmoon7293
    @kameronmoon7293 10 лет назад +2

    Sometimes computational problems are better solved by more simple devices. Power companies still use "Analog Computers" which are nothing more than huge networks of Resistors, Capacitors, and Inductors, because it is easier to model their networks and the complicated differential equations associated with them by actually building out the circuits and testing them than with simulation by a transistor based computational device. Food for thought

    • @RoySmeding
      @RoySmeding 9 лет назад

      Kameron Moon no they don't. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_analyzer_(AC_power)#Decline_and_obsolescence

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Год назад

      Don't know how to tell you this but that's electronics. And I really doubt facility that cost millions uses only few electronic components for calculations

  • @jR060t
    @jR060t 11 лет назад +2

    I agree that this video is great but mechanical computers are limited by "backlash" inherent in all mating surfaces. The resulting error adds, multiplies or squares depending upon the mechanism. As a result, a complex chain of mechanisms will hamstring the supposed infinite resolution of the analog systems. In practice, even simple relay driven digital computers have better resolution in fire control systems.

  • @tonygbrill
    @tonygbrill 9 лет назад

    Pretty cool

  • @RandStuffOfficial
    @RandStuffOfficial 4 года назад +1

    Now I'm interested to know how they did these educational videos with overlays and animations without computers!

  • @firstnamelastname-oy7es
    @firstnamelastname-oy7es 9 лет назад +6

    The only problem with mechanical computers is that due to the mechanisms that drive them, they can succumb to wear and tear over its life time. That is especially true for parts that are small, making the use of mechanical equipment in microchips and systems on chips limited.

    • @Nevir202
      @Nevir202 9 лет назад +3

      +Bungis Albondigas LOL as if electronics don't succumb to their own form of wear and tear? The big advantage of electronics is generally they work or do not where mechanical systems often work improperly before they cease to function.

    • @fendermarxist
      @fendermarxist 9 лет назад +8

      +Bungis Albondigas The real disadvantage is that mechanical systems move at finite speed. You can switch ultra-low currents and voltages much faster than you can close a physical switch, or rotate a cam, or whatever. As ingenious as these old solutions were before the age of transistors, there's a reason we don't use them anymore.

    • @salnation189
      @salnation189 6 лет назад +2

      @@fendermarxist that depends on the application.

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 2 года назад

      @@Nevir202 Electronics, aka electron current switches, do wear out due to metal deposition drift. Eventually the microscopic distances between the elements used for transistors and their junctions allows the metal they're made from to be literally pulled apart, similar to galvanic behavior between two different metals. However, if you properly cool the part, this takes far, far longer, and most electronic microprocessors have redundancy built in. You may notice over the course of years your laptop getting slower. Thats because it doesnt cool properly. And its losing some transistors in its processor. But its a consumable item for a specific job. Given real good air flow, I've managed to keep various parts of computers running for probably 1 million real hours over 10 years. The first thing to fail was actually a pair of power transistors on the motherboard. two literally exploded, causing some of the housing to break and be ejected. Ive seen this happen to a guitar amplifier board, which I replaced. Basically its usually a triangular widget from near the center of the chip/transistor that flies off and it looks like someone gouged it with a philips screwdriver.
      But I've got a now 12 year old processor still running. Its a bit slower than before, but I over-fan the chassis rather than put the minimal required, so it stays basically around 98-100 degrees. They last a long time when you treat them well.
      Meanwhile, mechanical devices like this can also last a long time, provided you oil/grease them, and CONSTANTLY mediate them with new oil and grease. The raeson car engines break down after a few hundred thousand is because we're striking a balance between the cost of maintenance, the plan of obsolescence, and the value of keep ing it going. IF you had a constant flow of new oil and all the used oil was taken away, engines in the real world last millions of hours, as I think BMW or that other german car company (maybe it was swedish) showed. They put an engine to work for basically an entire year, thats 365 days running 24 hours a day, and kept the oil constantly flowing from new to engine to used waste oil that they got rid of, and the engine showed almost no signs of wear.
      So again, the issue of wearing down mechanically is an issue of lubrication and compromise between how much maintenance you want to do, and how much product you want to use, vs its expected end of life for replacement with newer and better and its overall value.

    • @Nevir202
      @Nevir202 2 года назад

      @@neglectfulsausage7689 Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but feels like you think you're contradicting me, when nothing you said contradicts anything I said?

  • @TheStraightThinker
    @TheStraightThinker 12 лет назад

    This is effffinnnn awesome!!!!

  • @shaider1982
    @shaider1982 11 лет назад

    I bet those gears are precision ones and installed with virtually no backlash.

  • @wox420
    @wox420 12 лет назад +1

    Well, the target audience was the US Navy so I'd imagine the level of effort was put in because peoples' lives would depend on their understanding it.

  • @upscbt
    @upscbt 10 лет назад

    This is beautiful

  • @wanrazul
    @wanrazul 12 лет назад +1

    Blew my mind....

  • @rixed0
    @rixed0 12 лет назад

    I wonder who was the intended audience of this film back in the 50s. It seams a lot of work was put in it's realization (or were the images generated with the help of a mechanical computer as well? :-))

  • @pepeledog
    @pepeledog 10 лет назад

    Fascinating!

  • @ktms1188
    @ktms1188 5 лет назад

    I love this stuff

  • @sameraziz1201
    @sameraziz1201 8 лет назад +3

    can it run music ?

  • @IAmTheAce5
    @IAmTheAce5 13 лет назад +1

    Pay attention boys and girls, this is how the guns of Battlestations Pacific find their targets without your help from Battlestations Midway. Also, see the gunnery problem taken up to eleven from this point in this anime Last Exile - 2 - Lut Vanship (SUB) 9:06

  • @arc8dia
    @arc8dia Год назад

    Great video

  • @aloisrenard
    @aloisrenard 12 лет назад

    Awesome video.

  • @diegosantacruz6336
    @diegosantacruz6336 5 лет назад +11

    let us all thank minecraft red stone engineers for laying the ground work for computing.

  • @MrGoatflakes
    @MrGoatflakes 10 лет назад +2

    Great film but I wonder why they didn't put the torque amplifier in it? Maybe because it doesn't do any computation per se but allows many integrators, etc. to be connected without the whole thing grinding to a halt.

    • @PebelWasTaken
      @PebelWasTaken 9 лет назад

      they may have but as the guy said this was just a short intro to the system.

    • @MrGoatflakes
      @MrGoatflakes 9 лет назад

      cubesinanutshell
      could be. Maybe this is a guide for the users of the system to understand how it operates. But someone that repairs it must also know things like the electric motors that drive it, the torque amplifies, and likely a hundred other things.

    • @PebelWasTaken
      @PebelWasTaken 9 лет назад +1

      MrGoatflakes i think this may have been fire control computer 101

  • @bjl1000
    @bjl1000 11 лет назад +1

    That is a Mark 1A Fire Control Computer. It's an analog computer and believe it or not a analog computer is faster than a digital computer. Your solution is present at the output as soon as you finish entering the problem. No clock cycles, just answers.

  • @mrketon1
    @mrketon1 11 лет назад

    I am going to build one of these one day.

  • @jeffreymartin8448
    @jeffreymartin8448 7 лет назад

    Prior MK111 UBFCS Tech (an ancient ASW fire control). So, only the really decrepit truly enjoyed this. Which I did with great relish! Every minute..

  • @adammontgomery7980
    @adammontgomery7980 7 месяцев назад

    How did they make that barrel cam with such a complex surface?

  • @alvinxyz7419
    @alvinxyz7419 5 лет назад

    Omg this is mechanic art

  • @JlMB0
    @JlMB0 7 лет назад +1

    War truely is the great driver off innovation

  • @aaro1268
    @aaro1268 11 лет назад +1

    Having a bit of programming background, I wonder if it's at all possible to have endless precision. But, it all comes to naught when you can only fit a couple digits in output, no matter how precise the calculation was

  • @kdc43
    @kdc43 12 лет назад

    Wow, these 'primitive' analog computers were still REALLY COMPLICATED!!!!

  • @Excelsior10000
    @Excelsior10000  7 лет назад

    It would have to be re-digitized from the original film, which is presumably somewhere in the government archives. I assume that this exists because it was converted at some point by the government itself, which would have used standard NTSC 640x480 (which it is), the resolution of most American TVs well into the 90s.

  • @RixtronixLAB
    @RixtronixLAB 10 месяцев назад

    Nice info, thanks :)

  • @damianoferrario4330
    @damianoferrario4330 Год назад

    Are there any books that explain how to design and build these mechanisms?

  • @randywatson8347
    @randywatson8347 4 года назад

    Will it outlast small purpose electronic computers?

  • @michaelmolter6180
    @michaelmolter6180 4 года назад

    How does gear backlash not just completely overwhelm the computation? Don't even perfectly machined spur gears need some backlash to function?

  • @ahmedmaruf474
    @ahmedmaruf474 8 лет назад

    Awesome............

  • @thatrickster1
    @thatrickster1 11 лет назад

    Anybody know what Kinematics is? What is smarter, a mechanical computer or a grasshopper? A last question, what works better, military force, or honest communication?

  • @triteron7784
    @triteron7784 2 года назад

    Does anyone know a good resource to learn more about this kind of stuff? A video series or book perhaps? Really interesting to see how everything fits together!

    • @ZÏ̇̃
      @ZÏ̇̃ Год назад +1

      Tbh these were probably some of the more advanced mechanical computers before everything gradually turned into being electronic. I know analog computers might be something that will return as they are apparently really efficient at simulating AI, however these are also running on electricity.

  • @KTo288
    @KTo288 3 года назад

    A question that comes to mind, say I'm a country with a less developed industry than the US, would it be economical not to go for the continuous calculation that the US went for but to go for step calculations dismissed by the narrator as not how the world works. My thinking is that although range doesn't change in steps, but loading your guns does, so if your average reload time is say 90 seconds, you would only need to be able to have a fire solution for each 90 second interval. Would building a less able computers and modifying your doctrine to suit be workable?