God says the things that are about to happen to you are arranged by God - Voddie Baucham lecture
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Seem a pattern for most of VB's sermons - completely misleading titles
If Mr. Baucham believes that we cannot lose our salvation, but he also does not believe in the rapture, how does he explain Matthew 24:13? “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” The verse is obviously speaking of those who will be saved during the days of Jacobs troubles, for if there is no rapture, then by default, he must believe that we can lose our salvation, that those who are saved today will go through the tribulation time, and therefore there is no assurance of our salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
These truths demand an answer to all who trust in what he preaches.
What? There are many brothers that do not think there is going to be a pre-tribulation rapture. That position does not indicate they believe you can lose your salvation. I am not sure where your logic has come up with that notion? I do not know of a Reformed Church that teaches a pre-tribulation rapture. My personal thought is that this is in error. I think you can make a case from scripture of a pre-tribulation rapture. However, that is not the most important things that we need to be focused upon. Many brother believe in a mid-tribultation or even a post-tribulation rapture event. Reformed brethren say the 2nd coming of Christ is the rapture event. So, this topic is varied...
Kind of an Abrupt ending, wasn't it? What's up with that? I thought that was something wrong with my phone.
@@zap0918 Then, though it is rather lengthy, I will offer you all of these known truths of the rapture.
1
In second Thessalonians 2 verse 7. The Holy Spirit is indeed the only one who can or ever has restrained evil, and so when He is removed those that have been born-again will be removed with Him, unless you believe that we will be abandoned by Him. All who are hid in Christ have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, when the Holy Spirit is removed, "he that now letteth lets," we will be removed with Him from this planet, and then shall that wicked be revealed. We will not be here when the antichrist is revealed to the world.
2
In Luke 21 the context is from verse 8 through 36, not just a singular verse. In verse 36 we are to pray that we will be accounted worthy to escape. Escape what? The entire context is about the tribulation period, and so it is seen as truth that there will be a rapture before the time of Jacobs troubles begin. This escaping does not mean that all who are today born again will live through those days, for is clearly seen as a truth that many will not love their lives unto the death, and many will be beheaded for their witness. if you believe that this "counted worthy to escape" means the continuation of your life through the days of tribulation, then you must admit to yourself that Philippians 1:21 is not a truth to you.
3
And as for Matthew 24 verse13, if you are going to say that there is no rapture of the church, that those who have been crucified with Christ will be left behind when the Holy Spirit is removed, then what you are saying by default is that all who have been saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ can lose, or have the promise of their eternal salvation, removed from them. that there is no assurance for those who have been born again, that there is a sin that the Lord will not forgive, a sin that He did not die for. What you are saying, by default, is that the Almighty cannot be trusted to keep his word, and that we are not saved by grace through faith, that we must not only perform some work that can be counted towards our salvation but must continue to perform works to maintain it.
4
Regarding 1st Thessalonians 4, verses16 through17, if the rapture was to occur at the end of the tribulation period, what is known as a boomerang theory, then you must believe that at the end of the tribulation period the saints are raptured and then turn right around and come back to earth, which makes no sense whatsoever, and attempts to displace much of the Book of Revelations from chapter 4 to 19.
5
If you believe that we cannot lose our salvation, but you also do not believe in the rapture, how do you offer further explanations for Matthew 24 verse13? “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” The verse is obviously speaking of those who will be saved during the days of Jacobs troubles, for if there is no rapture, then by default, you must believe that we can lose our salvation, that those who are saved today will go through the tribulation time, and that they must endure until the end of it, or to the loss of their lives and therefore there is no assurance of our salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
6
It is impossible for anyone to believe in the assurance of their salvation and at the same time believe that we must endure to the end. these two statements are in direct contradiction to each other.
therefore, if you do not believe in the rapture, you cannot believe in the assurance of your salvation.
The rapture will happen.
Faulty reasoning.
@@allensharp6876 The I offer you these truths.
1
In second Thessalonians 2 verse 7. The Holy Spirit is indeed the only one who can or ever has restrained evil, and so when He is removed those that have been born-again will be removed with Him, unless you believe that we will be abandoned by Him. All who are hid in Christ have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, when the Holy Spirit is removed, "he that now letteth lets," we will be removed with Him from this planet, and then shall that wicked be revealed. We will not be here when the antichrist is revealed to the world.
2
In Luke 21 the context is from verse 8 through 36, not just a singular verse. In verse 36 we are to pray that we will be accounted worthy to escape. Escape what? The entire context is about the tribulation period, and so it is seen as truth that there will be a rapture before the time of Jacobs troubles begin. This escaping does not mean that all who are today born again will live through those days, for is clearly seen as a truth that many will not love their lives unto the death, and many will be beheaded for their witness. if you believe that this "counted worthy to escape" means the continuation of your life through the days of tribulation, then you must admit to yourself that Philippians 1:21 is not a truth to you.
3
And as for Matthew 24 verse13, if you are going to say that there is no rapture of the church, that those who have been crucified with Christ will be left behind when the Holy Spirit is removed, then what you are saying by default is that all who have been saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ can lose, or have the promise of their eternal salvation, removed from them. that there is no assurance for those who have been born again, that there is a sin that the Lord will not forgive, a sin that He did not die for. What you are saying, by default, is that the Almighty cannot be trusted to keep his word, and that we are not saved by grace through faith, that we must not only perform some work that can be counted towards our salvation but must continue to perform works to maintain it.
4
Regarding 1st Thessalonians 4, verses16 through17, if the rapture was to occur at the end of the tribulation period, what is known as a boomerang theory, then you must believe that at the end of the tribulation period the saints are raptured and then turn right around and come back to earth, which makes no sense whatsoever, and attempts to displace much of the Book of Revelations from chapter 4 to 19.
5
If you believe that we cannot lose our salvation, but you also do not believe in the rapture, how do you offer further explanations for Matthew 24 verse13? “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” The verse is obviously speaking of those who will be saved during the days of Jacobs troubles, for if there is no rapture, then by default, you must believe that we can lose our salvation, that those who are saved today will go through the tribulation time, and that they must endure until the end of it, or to the loss of their lives and therefore there is no assurance of our salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
6
It is impossible for anyone to believe in the assurance of their salvation and at the same time believe that we must endure to the end. these two statements are in direct contradiction to each other.
therefore, if you do not believe in the rapture, you cannot believe in the assurance of your salvation.
The rapture will happen.