حرف و صوت و گفت را یک سو نهم٭ تا که بی این هر سه با تو دم زنم٭ I'll set aside words , sound and sayings٭ To be able to a have a converse with you without these three٭ A poem by Rumi about dzekerذکرin silence
This is also the main practice in the Eastern Orthodox Church and Hesychasm. The constant repetition of the Jesus prayer. "Lord Jesus Christ son of God have mercy"
They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. because [by choice] they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. ROMANS 1:25
Why do you worship creation? When your bible has told you of a people who changed the truth of god into a lie and worshipped the creation rather than the creator. DONT U THINK THERE WAS A TIME FOR WHERE JESUS PEACE AND BLESSINGS UPON HIM WASNT WORSHIPPED AS GOD BUT WAS A MESSENGER AND MESSIAH FROM GOD.
@@hamzahussain3369oh so you want to cherry pick bible verses? Ok then, Galatians 1:8: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" This means that islam would also fall into this category. What is your aqeedah? Why did uthman burn all the other versions of the quran, but only left the version of 114 surahs, while not even being a sahaba? Means your quran is not really that clear and original as it is claimed, no? Also, is your prophet muhammad considered the best example for humans?
@@devourthepower007 oh god the Hindus are back again tryna prove their not pagans. Show me 1 example of a difference in the manuscripts. Except way of recitation there’s no difference at all. You worship a man. You worship creation of the creator. We don’t. No messenger came to this world except to deliver messages from HIS lord which confirm the old scriptures that got corrupted and warned the people not to worship creation. We are the religion of monotheism. 1 God 1 message: don’t worship creation. Do you think Jesus peace and blessings be upon him would teach u to worship him?
They do what the prophet and his companions never did The way that the prophet remembered god is totally different He didn't dance nor move his head and he didn't say only god's name But he said it in a complete sentance
The sufis were all in for all kinds of unorthodox Dhikr except when it comes to the Dhikr by the way it described by the prophet himself. İn İslam remembrance of Allah is healthy as long as it's done following the way of the prophet only. The Sufism took this doctrine to the extreme that they almost neglect other aspects of the religion.
The most common form of dhikr among Tariqas is the Hafi Dhikr - the silent or concealed dhikr. But how you gonna know that as an outsider, I mean it’s concealed after all. How do you know that they neglect other aspects of Islam though? Did you spend time with Mutasawwuf or in a zawiyah? In terms of practical completeness in worship, there’s absolutely nothing and no one, no group, no interpretation, that comes even remotely close to an authentic Tariqa. Doing dhikr, even the silent one, is considered rather “irrelevant” if you don’t pray the 5 prayers. Even if you repeat the Shahada a million times a day, without the 5 prayers, you would be like someone who tries to build a house without a fundament. The compulsory prayer is nowhere to be weighed against or seen equal to dhikr.
@@smavi4133first of all before the dhikar of Allah we are always do prayer 5 time , prayer tahajjud , even ishraq and jawwal some time , and after we go to dhikar for the love of Allah , first of all we love allah not fear of the fear present in any relationship that is not stable but we loving allah so so much so our relationship of worship allah is infinity stronger than fearic relationship , and we go mazars some time not for worshipping mazar because this is a game of energy a person who spread his entire life single single second worshipping god if we can go there our energy is different , and we try to make relationship with God in mazar that seconds you feeling something unnatural okay, byy
I have never seen a true sufi practitioner which neglected any of the other aspects. The true sufis never did that even once. Look and read it up yourself in the lifestyle of the true sufis. Dont just go in the internet or say things which u heard somewhere. True sufis are truly beautiful practicinors.
Brother the practices which are practice by great sufis these practices were also practice by Prophets & Imams descendants of Prophet PBUH some of those practices are spiritual poverty (faqr), rapturous love (Ishq) , Jihad on Nafs , taqwa . But you talked about local practices of sufis which are not practiced by every sufi some sufis are against these practices such as music, dancing , etc.
This feels counter intuitive to me. If I am chanting something over and over I disassociate and start thinking about other stuff. Maybe this is why religious behavior is so often strange to me as these kinds of rituals do nothing for me.
As far as I know for some sufis they are very much aspiring for that to happen. Transcendence is an important part of Sufism and by repeating words to the point where words don’t sound like words anymore (the sound disassociating from the meaning) it translates to a trance like state for the practitioner bringing them closer to the divine. Though that’s an oversimplification and a western take on an eastern philosophy.
@@Unsweetenedmargaritta See that is not what I mean either. It is not that the words become meaningless, it is that I just start daydreaming about video games or old episodes of the Simpsons. I am not on a higher plane, I am just bored.
@Rocketboy1313 I can relate. I generally don't do those practices because the same thing happens to me. However, I think it's based more on how fully and completely you do the action. I play piano, and sometimes I just daydream while playing a song I know. Other times I play with deep focus on every note, and the whole world disappears and I forget if my eyes are open or closed because there is just the music. I still find chanting a bit boring, but I think the focus is on how you do it, not what you do. Just my thoughts. Hope you have a marvelous day. Btw, I like to meditate, but when I'm not focused I can easily end up sitting their thinking about video games as well 😅
This may be just me, but Dhikr seems very similar to the Sikhi practice of Naam Japna and Simran, where we are meant to remember Waheguru and through it, remove the seperation between us and Waheguru. There isn't any actual evidence tho of Guru Nanak being directly influenced by Sufis or Sufism, but he did have a lot of dialouge with both Sufis and Brahmins/Hindus
It actually is similar to it. I think the more you inspect into a religion and look for similarities, they are there. Of course those who look for things that divide us will find those things too.
The Prophet, SallAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam, said: ‘udhkur Allaha hatta yaqulu majnun’ “Do the Dhikr of Allah to the level that people call you crazy or a mad Man” [Narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad, Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, and al-Hakim who declared it sahih]
I disagree on the term universal 'sufi' practice of dhikr. Dhikr i.e rembrance is a universal 'muslim' practice, as you rightly said its mentioned in quran and sunnah and is prescribed for all muslims, sufi or otherwise. But I do agree with you about later developments which can be ascribed to sufis with regards to congregational chanting type dhikr, which did indeed come later through sufi teachings. I dont think dhikr should be framed as a sufi only practice, giving the impression as though dhikr, as mentioned in quran, is not practiced by other non sufi muslims, which is inaccurate as they do practice it. Wassalam
There is other forms of ذکر you don’t need to remind yourself name of الله or God while you connected once for ever u all the time know he is in every breath you take without that you won’t survive this will hack in the brain in unconsciousness mind and consciousness both as if every movement you take is not actually just you …
The moment you want to remember gods name u already forgot him long ago and never understood him…. But why ? Is it that hard to understand god existing in ur life? Some practice will make no sense and there are many other ways to connect with God . 🙏🏼.
@@johnone_onebroI don't understand why they do things that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions did not do! I don't understand why they sway, dance, and jump! I don't understand why they switch from understandable speech in their rituals to barking like dogs! There is a big difference between the Sunnah of our noble Messenger and the buffoonery of the Sufis
@@alialsaadi7741if it's not for you then don't be quick to judge and put it down. It's a well known sunnah, and written in many hadith. But, there is a different interpretation by different scholars. As Muslims we should identify first if our brothers and sisters testify truly in the existence and oneness of Allah and his last messenger Prophet Muhammad PBUH. There is no way to reunite if we keep pointing fingers at stuff we don't like or understand.
@@alialsaadi7741you are not a spiritual being. Your brainwashed to view sufis in a negative light. They have Allah on there side. You focus on yourself and let's see the sunnah making you a better muslim and human.
shut up nonsense , Sufismic dhukar is only the know your god(allah) thrue messanger of God , you are believe in that prophet Mohammed saw is died but we (Sufismic) believe he is alive for infinity time in the form of spirit .
@@joeseph.The spiritual Muslims have the right to form a tradition that makes them spiritually closer to Allah. It's not our job as Muslims to live our faith like the past people of the 1st century. Tasawuf was practiced by the prophets household.
There practices are not from the example of the prophet(saw). Islam is a middle path you don't deny the word for the inward spiritual reality and you don't deny the inward spiritual reality for the outward physical world. What the sufis do is unbalanced. This is not proper worship which elevates the human being, its goning into trances.
This channel has a lot of well researched information about many different religions, and the purpose is not whether or not their beliefs are accurate but rather the study of religion as a very real structure in societies and the cultures and belief systems they employ.
If you define God as something unreal, God is unreal but can be any imagined form. Like a flying monkey with golden bananas. If you define God as real, then to know God one must deepen their relationship with and understanding of reality. God remains mysterious yet ever present, and ones understanding deepens. These are the two basic approaches to God. I prefer the second.
We so often "forget" (aka: take for granted) our loved ones if we're not intentional about spending time with them, giving them our undivided attention.... it's not that their presence or existence isn't obvious or real or true. It's that our focus is elsewhere and they are pushed into the background. The same happens with us and God, however this God is defined, described, or experienced.
Your Arabic pronunciation has become absolutely great
حرف و صوت و گفت را یک سو نهم٭
تا که بی این هر سه با تو دم زنم٭
I'll set aside words , sound and sayings٭
To be able to a have a converse with you without these three٭
A poem by Rumi about dzekerذکرin silence
This is also the main practice in the Eastern Orthodox Church and Hesychasm. The constant repetition of the Jesus prayer. "Lord Jesus Christ son of God have mercy"
The Jesus prayer is the first prayer I remembered so far I absolutely love it and it brings me peace
They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
because [by choice] they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
ROMANS 1:25
Why do you worship creation? When your bible has told you of a people who changed the truth of god into a lie and worshipped the creation rather than the creator. DONT U THINK THERE WAS A TIME FOR WHERE JESUS PEACE AND BLESSINGS UPON HIM WASNT WORSHIPPED AS GOD BUT WAS A MESSENGER AND MESSIAH FROM GOD.
@@hamzahussain3369oh so you want to cherry pick bible verses? Ok then, Galatians 1:8:
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" This means that islam would also fall into this category.
What is your aqeedah?
Why did uthman burn all the other versions of the quran, but only left the version of 114 surahs, while not even being a sahaba? Means your quran is not really that clear and original as it is claimed, no?
Also, is your prophet muhammad considered the best example for humans?
@@devourthepower007 oh god the Hindus are back again tryna prove their not pagans. Show me 1 example of a difference in the manuscripts. Except way of recitation there’s no difference at all. You worship a man. You worship creation of the creator. We don’t. No messenger came to this world except to deliver messages from HIS lord which confirm the old scriptures that got corrupted and warned the people not to worship creation. We are the religion of monotheism. 1 God 1 message: don’t worship creation. Do you think Jesus peace and blessings be upon him would teach u to worship him?
They do what the prophet and his companions never did
The way that the prophet remembered god is totally different
He didn't dance nor move his head and he didn't say only god's name
But he said it in a complete sentance
Watch sheikh nazim ❤
@@westcoast20007read quran and hadith. lol
MashAllah
❤❤❤
The sufis were all in for all kinds of unorthodox Dhikr except when it comes to the Dhikr by the way it described by the prophet himself. İn İslam remembrance of Allah is healthy as long as it's done following the way of the prophet only. The Sufism took this doctrine to the extreme that they almost neglect other aspects of the religion.
The most common form of dhikr among Tariqas is the Hafi Dhikr - the silent or concealed dhikr. But how you gonna know that as an outsider, I mean it’s concealed after all. How do you know that they neglect other aspects of Islam though? Did you spend time with Mutasawwuf or in a zawiyah? In terms of practical completeness in worship, there’s absolutely nothing and no one, no group, no interpretation, that comes even remotely close to an authentic Tariqa. Doing dhikr, even the silent one, is considered rather “irrelevant” if you don’t pray the 5 prayers. Even if you repeat the Shahada a million times a day, without the 5 prayers, you would be like someone who tries to build a house without a fundament. The compulsory prayer is nowhere to be weighed against or seen equal to dhikr.
@@smavi4133first of all before the dhikar of Allah we are always do prayer 5 time , prayer tahajjud , even ishraq and jawwal some time , and after we go to dhikar for the love of Allah , first of all we love allah not fear of the fear present in any relationship that is not stable but we loving allah so so much so our relationship of worship allah is infinity stronger than fearic relationship , and we go mazars some time not for worshipping mazar because this is a game of energy a person who spread his entire life single single second worshipping god if we can go there our energy is different , and we try to make relationship with God in mazar that seconds you feeling something unnatural okay, byy
I have never seen a true sufi practitioner which neglected any of the other aspects. The true sufis never did that even once. Look and read it up yourself in the lifestyle of the true sufis. Dont just go in the internet or say things which u heard somewhere. True sufis are truly beautiful practicinors.
And there are Orthodox orders such as Naqshbandi. Follow sharia first and foremost
You are right.
Brother the practices which are practice by great sufis these practices were also practice by Prophets & Imams descendants of Prophet PBUH some of those practices are spiritual poverty (faqr), rapturous love (Ishq) , Jihad on Nafs , taqwa . But you talked about local practices of sufis which are not practiced by every sufi some sufis are against these practices such as music, dancing , etc.
This feels counter intuitive to me. If I am chanting something over and over I disassociate and start thinking about other stuff. Maybe this is why religious behavior is so often strange to me as these kinds of rituals do nothing for me.
As far as I know for some sufis they are very much aspiring for that to happen. Transcendence is an important part of Sufism and by repeating words to the point where words don’t sound like words anymore (the sound disassociating from the meaning) it translates to a trance like state for the practitioner bringing them closer to the divine. Though that’s an oversimplification and a western take on an eastern philosophy.
@@Unsweetenedmargaritta See that is not what I mean either. It is not that the words become meaningless, it is that I just start daydreaming about video games or old episodes of the Simpsons. I am not on a higher plane, I am just bored.
@@Rocketboy1313 you’re so valid dude, I’m just here to infodump
@Rocketboy1313 I can relate. I generally don't do those practices because the same thing happens to me.
However, I think it's based more on how fully and completely you do the action.
I play piano, and sometimes I just daydream while playing a song I know. Other times I play with deep focus on every note, and the whole world disappears and I forget if my eyes are open or closed because there is just the music.
I still find chanting a bit boring, but I think the focus is on how you do it, not what you do. Just my thoughts.
Hope you have a marvelous day. Btw, I like to meditate, but when I'm not focused I can easily end up sitting their thinking about video games as well 😅
You're entering with a wrong mindset
This may be just me, but Dhikr seems very similar to the Sikhi practice of Naam Japna and Simran, where we are meant to remember Waheguru and through it, remove the seperation between us and Waheguru. There isn't any actual evidence tho of Guru Nanak being directly influenced by Sufis or Sufism, but he did have a lot of dialouge with both Sufis and Brahmins/Hindus
It actually is similar to it. I think the more you inspect into a religion and look for similarities, they are there. Of course those who look for things that divide us will find those things too.
Guru Nanak was surrounded by Hindu and Muslim saints. So it might have influenced him in some ways too.
But they exaggerate. This is something we muslim should never pertue...
The Prophet, SallAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam, said:
‘udhkur Allaha hatta yaqulu majnun’
“Do the Dhikr of Allah to the level that people call you crazy or a mad Man”
[Narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad, Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, and al-Hakim who declared it sahih]
You are not a mutasawif meaning a muskim with no serious inclination to spiritual. Leave the spirit to the spiritual. Not all Muslims are spiritual.
I disagree on the term universal 'sufi' practice of dhikr. Dhikr i.e rembrance is a universal 'muslim' practice, as you rightly said its mentioned in quran and sunnah and is prescribed for all muslims, sufi or otherwise. But I do agree with you about later developments which can be ascribed to sufis with regards to congregational chanting type dhikr, which did indeed come later through sufi teachings. I dont think dhikr should be framed as a sufi only practice, giving the impression as though dhikr, as mentioned in quran, is not practiced by other non sufi muslims, which is inaccurate as they do practice it. Wassalam
There is other forms of ذکر you don’t need to remind yourself name of الله or God while you connected once for ever u all the time know he is in every breath you take without that you won’t survive this will hack in the brain in unconsciousness mind and consciousness both as if every movement you take is not actually just you …
😂
The moment you want to remember gods name u already forgot him long ago and never understood him…. But why ? Is it that hard to understand god existing in ur life? Some practice will make no sense and there are many other ways to connect with God .
🙏🏼.
@@Noname-vb8me ok, thanks for your input
Watch sheikh nurjan mirhamdi ❤
These actions are heresy, I ask Allah to guide them
Watch Sheikh Nazim❤
@@westcoast20007read Quran and Hadith
@@johnone_onebroI don't understand why they do things that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions did not do! I don't understand why they sway, dance, and jump! I don't understand why they switch from understandable speech in their rituals to barking like dogs! There is a big difference between the Sunnah of our noble Messenger and the buffoonery of the Sufis
@@alialsaadi7741if it's not for you then don't be quick to judge and put it down. It's a well known sunnah, and written in many hadith. But, there is a different interpretation by different scholars. As Muslims we should identify first if our brothers and sisters testify truly in the existence and oneness of Allah and his last messenger Prophet Muhammad PBUH. There is no way to reunite if we keep pointing fingers at stuff we don't like or understand.
@@alialsaadi7741you are not a spiritual being. Your brainwashed to view sufis in a negative light. They have Allah on there side. You focus on yourself and let's see the sunnah making you a better muslim and human.
Dikhr just means remembering Allah. What the sufis did and do is found NOWHERE in the ways the Prophet and his Companions remembered Allah.
you are at the wrong platform
shut up nonsense , Sufismic dhukar is only the know your god(allah) thrue messanger of God , you are believe in that prophet Mohammed saw is died but we (Sufismic) believe he is alive for infinity time in the form of spirit .
You're absolutely right
They invented these things out of nowhere
@@joeseph.The spiritual Muslims have the right to form a tradition that makes them spiritually closer to Allah. It's not our job as Muslims to live our faith like the past people of the 1st century. Tasawuf was practiced by the prophets household.
Bidah
There practices are not from the example of the prophet(saw). Islam is a middle path you don't deny the word for the inward spiritual reality and you don't deny the inward spiritual reality for the outward physical world. What the sufis do is unbalanced. This is not proper worship which elevates the human being, its goning into trances.
Atleast there better than the spiritless salafists.
Why should we remember him if his existance is so obvious ? Perhaps it is just reaffirming an illusion.
This channel has a lot of well researched information about many different religions, and the purpose is not whether or not their beliefs are accurate but rather the study of religion as a very real structure in societies and the cultures and belief systems they employ.
If you define God as something unreal, God is unreal but can be any imagined form. Like a flying monkey with golden bananas.
If you define God as real, then to know God one must deepen their relationship with and understanding of reality. God remains mysterious yet ever present, and ones understanding deepens.
These are the two basic approaches to God. I prefer the second.
We so often "forget" (aka: take for granted) our loved ones if we're not intentional about spending time with them, giving them our undivided attention.... it's not that their presence or existence isn't obvious or real or true. It's that our focus is elsewhere and they are pushed into the background. The same happens with us and God, however this God is defined, described, or experienced.
@@karolinaska6836 well said
@@karolinaska6836Very well said Madam.