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I have the same car as you and couldn't agree more. As for the ND3 mechanical updates, if they make the car drive even better...wow! Because I find nothing wrong with the ND2's steering or LSD. And in regard to Brian's comments about fuel economy: I just returned from a 1,000+ road trip from Seattle to the southern Oregon coast and back--and averaged 40.4 mpg for the trip. It's not why I got the car, but it's sure a great side benefit.
As the owner of a ‘21 RF Club BBF (my 6th Miata since ‘01) I concur that it is the most fun car to drive. More smiles per mile than any of the over 14 sports cars I have owned since my first one back in the 1970s.
I have the exact same model.Same colour everything.The amount of compliments I get is amazing.Gosh it handles like a dream.If you've never had one hire one at the very least.
Soft top or RF? The best choice is what the buyer likes best. I not so long ago sold my 1980 MGB Limited Edition which I owned for 40 years. It was a true sports car with a rag top. The only assist was the power brake booster. Now I have an MX5 RF touring which I ordered in Machine grey with white Nappa leather. 90 percent of the time I'm driving with the top closed which pretty much gives me a coupe like feeling; closed it also adds additional structural stiffness which can be noticed if you pay attention. The other 10 percent of the time the top goes down to either show someone how it works or driving occasionally open. There is no right or wrong between soft top or RF. They are both good and give the buyer a choice so the best one is the one you like better.
I m 70+ years old and have had a -2017 ND 2litre foe 7 years now , it’s a full convertible ,which I prefer but that’s just personal choice . I must admit the RF looks cool and reminiscent of many bigger faster machines . I’ll keep mine until I can’t get in or out of it , no problems so far on that front .
You should go for a 2019 or newer to be honest. So much more is added with that gentle power boost they added in 2019. I have a 2020 RF and I never want to drive anything else.
@@VinceCannavaII thanks for constructive advice , but I’m a pensioner on limited income , and to be honest apart from a blast up to 105 + on slip road joining bypass road I rarely exceed 90 mph these days , too many speed cameras in National Socialist Party Scotland . Apologies to real socialists,comrades in case anyone misconstrues my message ,
@@alanthomson1227 I had a 2016 ND Club (totaled when rear ended), and now have a 2020 Club. I enjoyed the 2016 just as much. My 2020 does rev higher, but I believe I had more low end torque with the 2016. It was easier to get the rear end out from a stop with the 2016.
I own a 2022 soft top MX-5, every drive is fun and adventure, and the boot/trunk, can hold a reasonable amount of stuff, the opening is narrow but it is deep and wide. Soft luggage, back packs etc fit in easily for a weekend away or longer road trip. I test-drove the RF, you pay more for the hard top version, and it does add weight to the car. I just prefer a fully open soft-top. Also keep in mind that if you upgrade to the model with Brembo brakes, you only get Brembos on the front wheels. The rear brakes are standard Mazda factory brakes which are perfectly adequate. Nice review!
Brian - I have to say I have never seen your other video's but I'm now a true blue "Fan". I have an RF and every time I get behind the wheel I turn 21 again. It is a true joy to drive and I have the exact same model your drove. Your appraisal of the vehicle was spot on! Thank you again and I look forward to more video's!
This car is sharp. IMHO this looks much better in retractable hard top. The top up lines bring the looks way up market. That being said great cars regardless of top choice.
The RF looks much better with top up, in my opinion. Styling is part of the equation. The drive is fine with the top down around town it’s only annoying at high speed on interstate or highway. Basically this car in either trim is FUN! That’s the bottom line it’s great fun in base trim with a soft top or in the highest trim with the RF instead of the ST. I am a bit bias since I have the RF in the Soul Red. Of course I opted for the manual, which makes the drive more exciting and engaging!
i think it looks great down too. also an RF owner. I like the softop too but RF wins if you use the car in a city where people might simply slash the roof. Also RF provides more privacy i suppose some people like being looked at which the soft top provides but I don't and the RF allows an open. top experienc without the "look at me" factor. IMHO
@@hypnotechno - …yep I agree except people still look at me a lot in my RF…but maybe it’s not at me at all! The RF is UNIQUE there way more soft tops out there and the RF is like a mini F Type Jag. (It is a more exotic style)
I have a theory this car isn’t more popular with younger generations is because they are more concerned with brand prestige, and showing off as opposed to driving experience.
@@YuumyYuumi is not. Is about priorities. I'll give you an example, People in the UK get more mx-5s than the Spain and is because in Spain they want to get 'better' brands such as having a golf r with over 300hp or having and Audi S3, while in the UK people have actual more knowledge about what a car would make you feel, while in spain is more to try to get a car to show off if that makes sense. People (specially young people) in spain still would rather spend 40 or 50k on an upper brand like mercedes or bmw rather than spend 25 or 30k in an MX-5. Even though ut would make sense to get an MX-5, specially with such sunny weather.
When we are young it’s natural to be concerned with #’s because we don’t have experience to really compare. For guys bragging rights and trying to prove yourself is normal. Once you get older you’ve learned what driving aspects you enjoy. Hopefully you become secure with yourself so prestige should mean less. I traded in a Guila for VB BRZ because nothing is more fun than a lightweight sports car. Wish I could afford 2 vehicles then MX5 would be my fun car
I doubt it's based off the brand, I think many people in United States just like cars that have a bigger size, this is a small roadster, I'm sure many people love the bigger cars with the long hood design like Benz SL or SLS, or BMW Z4 or Mustang or Jaguar XK... The Lexus SC430 doesn't really have that long hood... United States people love cars with that size "presence" am sure besides the engine it's the reason many people like Dodge Chargers or Chrysler 300.
After owning three Dodge SRT Challengers, and now a Charger Scat Pack wide body, I think it will be tough to lose all of the cabin, trunk, and overall space provided. Then, I think of the lack of crush space in case of an accident, and there's no way to get around all of these facts, except for maybe the ability to possibly avoid getting into an accident in the first place, due to excellent handling and the ability to squeeze through tighter areas. Parking's got to be a breeze as well! I'm going to have to check one out in person to get a better feel of what I've been missing out on.
@@BrianMakse I did try sitting in one, and at 6 feet tall, I made quite an effort just to get in without hitting my head. Maybe the seat needed to be adjusted for easier access, but I didn't want to waste the sales person's time and put miles on a new car I knew wasn't going to be a good fit, so that's about as far as it went. The car is beautifully done, but a bit too small for my liking.
I have a 2019 RF club ND2. I upgraded the brake pads, changed to Firestone Indy 500 tires and it came equipped with the bilstein shocks and limited slip. The body roll in my opinion is minimal. I would like to compare to bbs / Nd3 but I bet you’re better off purchasing a nicely cared for used ND2 in the sport spec. The price has gone up quite a bit for the 23 and 24 models. It is truly the best car I’ve ever had for the fun factor and I do drive it all year round in Buffalo Ny weather.
I really don't delve into the idea of used cars, but there are decent options out there. Heck, I regret missing out on a tidy NB a couple of years ago...
Awesome review🙏👍👏 One of the best reviews on this Mazda MX-5. All those youngsters that buys BMW, Audi and VW, they should consider test driving this MX-5. Firstly, they will become a better driver and secondly they would know what’s it like to drive reliable bulletproof vehicle. Kudos to Mazda for improving this MX-5 very incrementally from generation to generation…also thank you Mazda for not going woke with Hybrid or EV. For the money, there isn’t is a single car out there that can match the fun factor and reliability factor to this Mazda’s naturally aspirated engine and that manual gearbox…absolute gem of a vehicle.
🤷🏻♂️ The Miata is best suited for people that can afford a second car as a weekend Toy. BRZ/86, Civic Si/Integra, WRX, Mazda 3, Elantra N, GTI, and the Mustang Ecoboost are much more useable as a fun only car on a budget. BMWs aren't unreliable anymore, just expensive on maintenance. The B58 is probably one of the best modern performance engines tbh. I would definitely argue the BRZ/86 matches the fun factor. High reviving NA Boxster, better handling, and just as driver focused. And too boot there's a lot more head room for modding with the new gens.
@@DragonKnightX12all of the alternatives you had mentioned are pure niche vehicles for the woke people with the exception of the Mazda 3. Mazdas are the epitome of simplicity and reliability behind Toyotas.
It was a no brainer for me. The look of the RF with the top up is stunning and it offers a quiet warm cabin when needed or the convertible when it’s nice out. Not to mention no fabric top breaking down and looking crappy in ten years. I love my pearl white 19 RF.
nice video and enjoyed the review.. I hate to nit pick, and thank you for even attempting to capture the audio in a professional manner (as opposed to just using whatever is on your phone) but the clipping audio is fatiguing and hard to listen to - consider dialing back the input gain a few (or more) dB and engaging soft clip if your recorder supports it- would make all the difference. You can always make it louder in post.. but you cant make it softer! Cheers and jeally of your miata :)
First, this isn't my Mazda, but Mazda spoils me by letting me drive their cars as often as I like. I don't know what happened to the audio for this episode, but I agree that it's not ideal. Definitely below our standards here. Coincidentally, we have new audio gear incoming this week.
Unless I am mistaken, in the US the GT trim and the Club trim come with the same suspension. It seems to me that what you are driving is the GT (you have GT seats) with an option package for the Brembo and BBS. That is not available in the US where the BBS/Brembo/Recaro package is an option on the Club. Of course, the club doesn't get adaptive headlights and dimming, homelink mirror. Are the recaros a stand-alone option in Canada? Why does Mazda configure differently for different markets?
Thanks great review BM. I am a proud owner of a US spec ND3 BBR and loving her immensely. You nailed it explaining the weight and chassis feedback. Better than any other car I’ve owned in my life.
How did you get a BBR in the US? I had a BBR 200 NC while I lived in the UK and it was absolutely mental. Now in the US, thinking about getting an ND and if I can get BBR type tuning I'd be in love
@@Element_y was pretty easy just had to speak with my local dealer that I bought a CX90 I6T MHEV from, and ordered her the 24 club roadster aero grey with BBR package and the optional aero kit, along with the aluminum pedal pack which adds the red aluminum oil cap to boot. Had to wait 2.5months but was worth it! Now on 20mm rear spacers 5mm fronts Olins, moss Miata sway bars and links, and did the Goodwin race exhaust with a HKS tip. In love
Ordered crystal blue metallic RF - absolutely can’t wait. Hopefully coming in 3-4 months. Drove my friends 2017 RF grand touring as was hooked. For any kind of back roads this is the best option for the money hands down.
Great review; very useful and informative. Couple of things to add; anecdotally owners of these with that Soul Red colour always say that it is very thin paint which chips really really easily. Secondly take a look at videos on YT about the degree to which (as with all Mazda MX5’s historically) these, even relatively new, rust like hell underneath. Unfortunately that seems to be the Achilles heel of what is essentially a superb modern reliable sports car.
Yes, the ND 2 and 3 are very good but the sweet spot for me was a used NC1. They absolutely handle well after some aftermarket parts but the difference is often over $10k sometimes double the price. Regardless, drive these cars for the love of enthusiastic motoring. Same for the Subaru/Toyota BRZ and 86’s.
I think the RF has a beautiful silhouette. But with the top down the roadster looks proper and that's what I bought. I took the extra RF money and made my ND2 roadster a GT. Couldn't be happier.
Liked the video , didn't think the '24 facelift changes were significant though, didn't like that the daytime running lights were integrated with the front headlights , and personally prefer the automatic transmission, doesn't make the car less fun to drive, just saves a lot of declutching which is a regular occurrence in the UK where I live ..The Mx 5 is a great car, I love mine .
Great review. Quite accurate. I purchased a new 2018 RF 6-speed manual. I’m in love with this car and will never get rid of it. However, I am thinking of buying a new MX-5 ragtop and adding it to the fleet. I’ll have to do it when my wife isn’t looking. 😊
Brilliant car - brilliant review as per usual! I have an nd2 6mt club with Recaro/Brembo/BBS package in gray. Really like the color but soul crystal red would be the first choice for me too. Think the non Recaro seats are a little disappointing (find them a tight squeeze for larger than avg backs/shoulders. Mine is a ST and I too think that’s the way to go. The RF cuts into headroom a bit and it does give you wind buffeting as you mentioned. The 102 lb weight penalty is likely not something most drivers (if not all) would detect, but it still bothers me to add roughly 4% more weight for something non essential to the car. I also absolutely love the simplicity of the soft top to operate manually! The quality of the insulation in the ST is light years better than the NB I had years ago (which I otherwise loved) and even better than my previous NC (which I didn’t exactly love as much). I trust you when you say that KPC and the new LSD are good adds for the driving experience….but I’d need to lose a couple grand to sell mine and then add $9k more to buy new. I’m guessing the seat of the pants difference (for a road only, non-tracking driver) is not terribly material.
Great review as always. If I were single, I may have gotten the ragtop, but my wife loves the RF. I also prefer the looks. However, the much more open experience of the ragtop is missed. Hopefully they improved the buggy UI.
Always love your reviews of my favorite car ever. And my 22 GT Roadster is in soul red. Best color ever hands down. You communicate the virtues of this car much better than most. Keep it up Mr. Makse
In regards to taller drivers,there are after market sear brackets that lower the seat by an inch and half. Of course one's upper torso length dictates if this a viable solution. Sill I think 6ft 1 to 6ft 3 is the upper limit with this fix
I purchased a '24 GT soft top back in June, my 2nd soft top manual Miata, and soft top is the only way I'd go, personally. The RF looks amazing, exotic even, but it has some drawbacks that I couldn't overlook... 1) it operates way too slowly 2) the 6 mph speed lockout is way too slow 3) the wind buffeting (caused by those buttresses) at speeds above 45mph or so is deafening 4) it's hard to justify the $2800 up-charge 5) concerned with long term reliability. I chose the soft top (twice) mostly for its value, simplicity and speed of use while in motion. All of that said, the Miata is an absolute joy with either top. Just be sure to take a long test drive (incl higher speeds) in the RF before buying one.
While I considered an RF, I went with the true convertible. Why? If I lived in an area that gets bad weather or one where I may have to park in sketchy areas, I would have considered the RF more seriously, but I do not. Also, I drive with the top down at all times unless I happen to get caught in the rain. (Maybe twice over the last five years.) Also, the RF with the roof retracted, it makes more noise because the wind swirls behind your hear. So, the RF was just not a fit for me.
No doubt a great car, and kudos to Mazda for their philosophy to keep sweating incremental improvements. And there is no substitute for the light weight. Can't think of anything else in the mainstream market that comes within 300 lbs and is a sports oriented ride. I drove one when I got my BRZ, and was a little too tall. That and unless driving solo, no place for coats, purses, etc. They really charge a premium for the Brembos and Bilstein package too, and at that time, didn't put the LSD in the base. I know "those days" are gone, but once I sprung for the "Limited" trim in my BRZ, (2017), the "Performance Package" was only a $ 1200 USD option. That brought the Sachs dampers, Brembo brakes, and different wheels, that may be a bit wider to make room for the Brembos. No regrets. We took a weekend trip over the mountains in the BRZ, and along the way, passed a Miata coming the other way. I asked my wife, "Know what we'd be doing if we had the MIata instead? Driving the Forester." LOL. That said, now that I don't commute and the BRZ is strictly a toy in the 3-car fleet, I have not ruled out someday owning a Miata rag top. Just legendary greatness. Thanks for reviewing the RF.
Great review, Brian. I have not driven a ND3, but have driven ND1 and ND2, both RF and soft top, and both 6MT and auto. While I like the look of the RF, I don't like the driving experience as much as the soft top. The open roof feels more like a targa top than a convertible, and the wind noise from the RF pillars is highly annoying. And since I buy cars to drive them, not look at them, the RF appearance doesn't improve the drive, but the wind noise takes away from it. The automatic transmission, while being a good unit, totally takes away from the experience you describe of man and machine becoming one. There is nothing that an automatic transmission and paddle shifters can do to replicate the 6MT experience, so if you absolutely need the automatic transmission, just stop trying to convince people that the "car and driver as one" experience is still there. It isn't! I disagree with your statement about the suspension being something perfect that cannot be improved upon in the aftermarket. There are some very well designed aftermarket suspensions that do a great job of matching stiffer spring rates with sophisticated damper valving, and really do improve the suspension performance while not detracting from daily driving comfort. That said, I think the majority of ND3 buyers would be best served by purchasing the package as you recommended, and just learn to drive it to its capabilities rather than to add mods because forum people rave about the mods. The only mod that can really improve the driving experience is DRIVER TRAINING! Spend less money on mods, and more money on driver training, and you will be rewarded tenfold for your investment. I still recall an auto magazine story from the 1980s when journalists were testing out the new Toyota Supra at a track. One journalist wrote how he was tearing up the track in the new Supra, but noticed a Toyota Corolla pulling onto the track. And after several laps, the Corolla caught and passed the journalist in his Supra. After the track session the journalist walked over to the Corolla...and Dan Gurney stepped out of it. Hahahaha!!!!
Your second paragraph is dead wrong, and illustrates "all or nothing" thinking. The AT (when put into manual mode) and shifted with either the shifter or paddles does deliver a "car & driver as one" experience - I know, I experience it every time I drive my '23 soft-top. It may not be the same as a manual, but it has its own merits. I just wish the engine put out more HP, and that the sway bars were a "little" bit stiffer.
Welcome aboard! It's a major update in dynamics compared to the ND2. If you like Mazdas, you might enjoy this: ruclips.net/video/pdZaArV4wEY/видео.html
I can justify the price of the RF. I like the Club soft top but still having a difficult time justifying they price of it as well. Have driven both and liked them bit will likely not get one.
I bought a new ND in 2016 because of the looks in the red with white? leather seats but was disappointed with the handling, I had assumed that would be the cherry on the cake but found it rolled too much and that weight transfer made it feel skittish. I had it for 4 years and replaced the coil springs, wheels and tyres which helped a lot, also replaced the complete exhaust and got a tune. We got the LSD as standard here and I did like that. I replaced it with a car that I had avoided thinking it was too heavy to handle well, a 370Z and for me that had great handling with reserves beyond my aging capabilites. Because it was planted with neglible roll I could also catch it when the rear end[LSD] stepped out which inspired confidence where the MX-5 seemed to do its own thing. Just my thoughts.
Middle choice is the twins Which I got VB BRZ because I still find Z’s perfect size but too much weight. Always wonder where the lead is stored? A used Guila might work for you. It hides it’s weight being front/mid engine.
@@TrojanRabbit521 I bought one of the first GT86's on the market and the steering was the best of any car that i've driven, so responsive. The 1467kg for the 370Z has to come from the combination of a very solid body shell plus an engine, drivetrain, suspension, brakes, wheels and tyres that are big, powerful, built to last and all capable of handling double the power without modifying the guts of that wonderful engine. The GR86 is great value and at $10,000 less than an MX-5 on the road is a no brainer. The engine upgrade and gearbox mods fixed it's previous shortcomings and it has a real presence about it, way above the cost. Currently i'm driving an i20N which is $10,000 less than the GR86 on the road. It has to be one of the best back road cars on the market and is very engaging to drive. The cherry on the top is that it's practical, has a spare wheel and has averaged 6.5L/100km over the 18,000km that ive had it.
Ive driven or owned numerous sports cars including a Camaro, Corvette, 911, 986S, MX-5, Many Japanese funboxes, MkV GTi, et al. The one I LOVE is the ND Miata. Because it most reminds me of my Mk1 Scirocco.
Awesome review. In the market for a used 2019 or later. Probably go for the club spec. Hard top/Soft top? Soft all the way. 1st of all, an MX-5 is a convertible. Always has been and always should be. 2nd, to me, the RF just looks too much like an Opal GT, and that isn't a compliment. And if I want to be surrounded by a cage when the top is off, I'll just drive my 4Runner and roll the windows down.
Im a mazda tech and ngl. i picked up a 24 mx5 rf gt with the manual from my location as soon as one showed up the most fun car I've ever had. My last cars was a 1983 celica supra and a 86 iroc-z28 all have a spot in my heart but even my wife loves the mx5 so far only thing i can say is 2nd gear is weaker (most common gear to fail only thing so far ive seen fail but its usually drivers going really hard on pulls that cause it) other than that love mine to the moon and back and even in extreme weather ive pushed mine the driver assistance makes em just push even in bad conditions the mx5 holds true to a good gt car [and the brembo package is honnestly not mutch or same as oem use that as you will =)]
The RF adds weight, but is stiffer (especially after I have added all the chassis reinforcement available). Toss in lightweight wheels (8kg down), 2-piece front rotors and calipers (4kg down), and lithium battery (15kg down), the net weight difference is minimal. (All, at a stiff cost of US$5,000.) Stiffer chassis and lower unsprung weight transform the handling, even though the suspension and tires are OEM stock. My friends owning ND, NB, and NC's can't believe how good the handling is, with stock tires and stock (soft) suspension. My other cars (2016 Porsche Cayman and 2018 BRZ) have stronger chassis and more power, but the RF is definitely the most agile and fun. The worst feature of the RF: blind spot (in the quarter rear). At least I can drive the RF any time, any where, and never worry about rain or (light) snow.
To each their own. I’d probably go with the raggy as I already have one (‘04 ‘speed), and love it. I see the advantages of the hardtop, and if that’s what you want, fantastic. Enjoy.
I got the soft top 2022 and it makes ticking sound in idle mode after long drive and a weird angry rev sound when I take my foot off the clutch from a gear to neutral when stationed. Scary because it seems like it has a mind of its own and about to take off. As a woman that love shopping the cabin size is a bit of a disappointment. Changing gears from 2-5 is a bit jerky.
I just checked what the insurance is on a 2024 RF. $333 a month in Texas with an excellent driver record. Is this accurate? That seems crazy to me. My 2015 Mazda 3 is $150/month and that's double what it was 3 years ago.
@@BrianMakse oh geezzz. Sorry dude. Was shopping and watching at the same time. lol. Now I’m relieved. My club is currently enroute to NY. I would’ve loved the leather but need the brembos and bbs. Thanks
Styling is definitely part of sports car equation for me. Comparing the two designs I was drawn like a magnetic pull to the Soul Red RF! Not objectively only pure sex appeal for me! 😊😎👍🏻
I like the Mazda MX5. I know it's not made for straight line performance and it's awesome in the twisty's but if they could squeeze 250 hp out of that motor it would be soooo much better.
Never seen the channel before but big MX5 fan. Loved the review, loved your enthusiasm, loved the detail…. But for the love of god, will you please keep your hands on the steering wheel while you’re driving on public highways! This is why RUclips car reviews are often frowned upon. The concentration should be fully on safe driving not the conversation with the camera, regardless of driving skill level. With best intentions.
Welcome aboard! You know that part at the start of the episode when I introduce myself as a racer? I'm being a bit too modest. I appreciate your well-intentioned comment, but I also appreciate the Dunning-Kruger effect and here's to hoping you become a better driver!
2017 rf crystal white right here. Every always asks me why i got the rf. I tell them look up pictures of tree and thing falling on soft tops. Hard top might save your life.
I hope the new redesign will have room for drivers and passenger 6' tall and taller. It's way too tight for tall people. Don't make the car bigger or heavier though. Use CAD programs to carve out more space within the same confines.
@@BrandonRalstonUSA I would love one too. I both drove one and I sat in the passenger's seat. At 6' tall, to drive it is acceptable but not great. As a passenger, it's impossible to sit in for long drives. Very cramped. I know Mazda can fix this. With CAD programs, they can design down to the millimeter. No matter what, do NOT make the car bigger nor heavier. Carve out the interior space to fix taller people. If Mazda can make the Miata comfortable to sit in for tall drivers and passengers up to 6'2", that would expand their buying base. Only 3.9% of people are 6'2" or taller.
Great vehicle. If only it was available in the Mazda signature Polymetal Gray Metallic "Carbon Edition" blue-gray color. Sadly, the available color choices are either bland or not appealing (IMO). Still, I'm considering getting the RF 6-MT in the Mazda red color.
Bought a '24 Sport. I live in a nice climate year round. Never drive with the top up. Would never consider the RF. No real convertible experience, more weight, more cost. No thanks.
It’s a great car if you fit. It is underpowered, don’t care to hear the old line. It don’t need more. It does. Mini vans are faster. Sold my 2020 BBR Club. Was uncomfortable after an hour to drive. No torque at all. My old Mazdaspeed Miata made more torque at 1800rpm than the. Club did at peak
@@BrianMakse Thank you very much for getting back to me. I do want to ask you about the 340 lbs payload limit. I am 220 lbs and my wife is 160 lbs. Our combined weight without counting any luggage exceed the payload weight limit. Do you think that will create any issues?
"...but that's not what the MX-5 is about..." The magazine guys LOVE to tell you all about their testing procedures and how awesome they are as drivers.
Not very practical, but one of the few new (yet still old-school) vehicles worth buying in these days of stupid tech-bloat galore & consumer-unfriendly engineering.
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As a 2023 RF GT owner, I'm pretty much convinced it's the most fun to drive car ever made. I'm totally miata-pilled at this point.
Like I said in the episode, if you don't enjoy driving one of these, you don't know how to enjoy life.
I have the same car as you and couldn't agree more. As for the ND3 mechanical updates, if they make the car drive even better...wow! Because I find nothing wrong with the ND2's steering or LSD. And in regard to Brian's comments about fuel economy: I just returned from a 1,000+ road trip from Seattle to the southern Oregon coast and back--and averaged 40.4 mpg for the trip. It's not why I got the car, but it's sure a great side benefit.
As the owner of a ‘21 RF Club BBF (my 6th Miata since ‘01) I concur that it is the most fun car to drive. More smiles per mile than any of the over 14 sports cars I have owned since my first one back in the 1970s.
How’s the noise at highway speeds for the RF? Is it similar to a normal coupe car?
Another point for me is that I’d have to buy the car automatic.
@@kurtstephan703940 mpg? Impressive!
Something about this car makes you constantly feel the drive. It’s hard to explain. But I’m always engaged. Love it
Spot on.
As an ND2 and Porsche 718 spyder owner, I enjoy driving the ND2 more. Nuff said.
Before I got my ND2 I drove it back to back with a GTS and walked away buying then later turning my ND2 into a Cup Car. Still love it.
OMG, that has to be a lie!
@@danmack613 -Absolutely! These really nothing else out there at the price point with the quality and fun factor!
I have the exact same model.Same colour everything.The amount of compliments I get is amazing.Gosh it handles like a dream.If you've never had one hire one at the very least.
Well done! Enjoy!
Soft top or RF? The best choice is what the buyer likes best. I not so long ago sold my 1980 MGB Limited Edition which I owned for 40 years. It was a true sports car with a rag top. The only assist was the power brake booster. Now I have an MX5 RF touring which I ordered in Machine grey with white Nappa leather. 90 percent of the time I'm driving with the top closed which pretty much gives me a coupe like feeling; closed it also adds additional structural stiffness which can be noticed if you pay attention. The other 10 percent of the time the top goes down to either show someone how it works or driving occasionally open. There is no right or wrong between soft top or RF. They are both good and give the buyer a choice so the best one is the one you like better.
Rag top rot fast in Florida .
I m 70+ years old and have had a -2017 ND 2litre foe 7 years now , it’s a full convertible ,which I prefer but that’s just personal choice . I must admit the RF looks cool and reminiscent of many bigger faster machines . I’ll keep mine until I can’t get in or out of it , no problems so far on that front .
Well done. Enjoy!
Love this ❤
You should go for a 2019 or newer to be honest. So much more is added with that gentle power boost they added in 2019. I have a 2020 RF and I never want to drive anything else.
@@VinceCannavaII thanks for constructive advice , but I’m a pensioner on limited income , and to be honest apart from a blast up to 105 + on slip road joining bypass road I rarely exceed 90 mph these days , too many speed cameras in National Socialist Party Scotland . Apologies to real socialists,comrades in case anyone misconstrues my message ,
@@alanthomson1227 I had a 2016 ND Club (totaled when rear ended), and now have a 2020 Club. I enjoyed the 2016 just as much. My 2020 does rev higher, but I believe I had more low end torque with the 2016. It was easier to get the rear end out from a stop with the 2016.
I own a 2022 soft top MX-5, every drive is fun and adventure, and the boot/trunk, can hold a reasonable amount of stuff, the opening is narrow but it is deep and wide. Soft luggage, back packs etc fit in easily for a weekend away or longer road trip. I test-drove the RF, you pay more for the hard top version, and it does add weight to the car. I just prefer a fully open soft-top. Also keep in mind that if you upgrade to the model with Brembo brakes, you only get Brembos on the front wheels. The rear brakes are standard Mazda factory brakes which are perfectly adequate. Nice review!
Just discovered you channel despite being live on YT since 2011. I am a huge car nut, and really enjoy you perspective compared to other reviewers
Thanks! That’s why we’re STILL here. This little channel is growing again for that reason.
I have a 2020 RFGT that I have owned for about 10 months now and I absolutely love it, it's one of the most fun enjoyable cars I've ever driven.
Brian - I have to say I have never seen your other video's but I'm now a true blue "Fan". I have an RF and every time I get behind the wheel I turn 21 again. It is a true joy to drive and I have the exact same model your drove. Your appraisal of the vehicle was spot on! Thank you again and I look forward to more video's!
Thanks and welcome aboard! Incredible car, there's nothing else like it.
This car is sharp. IMHO this looks much better in retractable hard top. The top up lines bring the looks way up market. That being said great cars regardless of top choice.
The RF looks much better with top up, in my opinion. Styling is part of the equation. The drive is fine with the top down around town it’s only annoying at high speed on interstate or highway. Basically this car in either trim is FUN! That’s the bottom line it’s great fun in base trim with a soft top or in the highest trim with the RF instead of the ST. I am a bit bias since I have the RF in the Soul Red. Of course I opted for the manual, which makes the drive more exciting and engaging!
i think it looks great down too. also an RF owner. I like the softop too but RF wins if you use the car in a city where people might simply slash the roof. Also RF provides more privacy i suppose some people like being looked at which the soft top provides but I don't and the RF allows an open. top experienc without the "look at me" factor. IMHO
@@hypnotechno - …yep I agree except people still look at me a lot in my RF…but maybe it’s not at me at all! The RF is UNIQUE there way more soft tops out there and the RF is like a mini F Type Jag. (It is a more exotic style)
2:00 51/49 weight distribution
4:00 Heel n toe
6:20 Take off
11:00 Corners
14:30 BRILLIANT
Cheers!
I have a theory this car isn’t more popular with younger generations is because they are more concerned with brand prestige, and showing off as opposed to driving experience.
Its the price
@@YuumyYuumi is not. Is about priorities. I'll give you an example, People in the UK get more mx-5s than the Spain and is because in Spain they want to get 'better' brands such as having a golf r with over 300hp or having and Audi S3, while in the UK people have actual more knowledge about what a car would make you feel, while in spain is more to try to get a car to show off if that makes sense. People (specially young people) in spain still would rather spend 40 or 50k on an upper brand like mercedes or bmw rather than spend 25 or 30k in an MX-5. Even though ut would make sense to get an MX-5, specially with such sunny weather.
When we are young it’s natural to be concerned with #’s because we don’t have experience to really compare. For guys bragging rights and trying to prove yourself is normal.
Once you get older you’ve learned what driving aspects you enjoy. Hopefully you become secure with yourself so prestige should mean less.
I traded in a Guila for VB BRZ because nothing is more fun than a lightweight sports car. Wish I could afford 2 vehicles then MX5 would be my fun car
I doubt it's based off the brand, I think many people in United States just like cars that have a bigger size, this is a small roadster, I'm sure many people love the bigger cars with the long hood design like Benz SL or SLS, or BMW Z4 or Mustang or Jaguar XK... The Lexus SC430 doesn't really have that long hood... United States people love cars with that size "presence" am sure besides the engine it's the reason many people like Dodge Chargers or Chrysler 300.
im young and have loved drivers cars, rx8s miatas, s2ks ect
After owning three Dodge SRT Challengers, and now a Charger Scat Pack wide body, I think it will be tough to lose all of the cabin, trunk, and overall space provided. Then, I think of the lack of crush space in case of an accident, and there's no way to get around all of these facts, except for maybe the ability to possibly avoid getting into an accident in the first place, due to excellent handling and the ability to squeeze through tighter areas. Parking's got to be a breeze as well! I'm going to have to check one out in person to get a better feel of what I've been missing out on.
It is definitely a different type of driving experience. Give one a try!
@@BrianMakse I did try sitting in one, and at 6 feet tall, I made quite an effort just to get in without hitting my head. Maybe the seat needed to be adjusted for easier access, but I didn't want to waste the sales person's time and put miles on a new car I knew wasn't going to be a good fit, so that's about as far as it went. The car is beautifully done, but a bit too small for my liking.
I have a 2019 RF club ND2. I upgraded the brake pads, changed to Firestone Indy 500 tires and it came equipped with the bilstein shocks and limited slip. The body roll in my opinion is minimal. I would like to compare to bbs / Nd3 but I bet you’re better off purchasing a nicely cared for used ND2 in the sport spec. The price has gone up quite a bit for the 23 and 24 models. It is truly the best car I’ve ever had for the fun factor and I do drive it all year round in Buffalo Ny weather.
I really don't delve into the idea of used cars, but there are decent options out there. Heck, I regret missing out on a tidy NB a couple of years ago...
Awesome review🙏👍👏
One of the best reviews on this Mazda MX-5. All those youngsters that buys BMW, Audi and VW, they should consider test driving this MX-5. Firstly, they will become a better driver and secondly they would know what’s it like to drive reliable bulletproof vehicle. Kudos to Mazda for improving this MX-5 very incrementally from generation to generation…also thank you Mazda for not going woke with Hybrid or EV. For the money, there isn’t is a single car out there that can match the fun factor and reliability factor to this Mazda’s naturally aspirated engine and that manual gearbox…absolute gem of a vehicle.
Right on 👍
Another outstanding review
Enjoy it while it last. Apparently, it’s the last generation with the naturally aspirated engine.
🤷🏻♂️ The Miata is best suited for people that can afford a second car as a weekend Toy.
BRZ/86, Civic Si/Integra, WRX, Mazda 3, Elantra N, GTI, and the Mustang Ecoboost are much more useable as a fun only car on a budget.
BMWs aren't unreliable anymore, just expensive on maintenance. The B58 is probably one of the best modern performance engines tbh.
I would definitely argue the BRZ/86 matches the fun factor. High reviving NA Boxster, better handling, and just as driver focused.
And too boot there's a lot more head room for modding with the new gens.
@@DragonKnightX12all of the alternatives you had mentioned are pure niche vehicles for the woke people with the exception of the Mazda 3. Mazdas are the epitome of simplicity and reliability behind Toyotas.
It was a no brainer for me. The look of the RF with the top up is stunning and it offers a quiet warm cabin when needed or the convertible when it’s nice out. Not to mention no fabric top breaking down and looking crappy in ten years. I love my pearl white 19 RF.
Cheers!
I would have bought the RF, it looks awesome, but I didn’t fit because of lack of headroom. So I bought the soft top and I’m glad I did.
@ you can’t go wrong! I sometimes wish I had a soft top for the full convertible experience.
nice video and enjoyed the review.. I hate to nit pick, and thank you for even attempting to capture the audio in a professional manner (as opposed to just using whatever is on your phone) but the clipping audio is fatiguing and hard to listen to - consider dialing back the input gain a few (or more) dB and engaging soft clip if your recorder supports it- would make all the difference. You can always make it louder in post.. but you cant make it softer! Cheers and jeally of your miata :)
First, this isn't my Mazda, but Mazda spoils me by letting me drive their cars as often as I like.
I don't know what happened to the audio for this episode, but I agree that it's not ideal. Definitely below our standards here. Coincidentally, we have new audio gear incoming this week.
Unless I am mistaken, in the US the GT trim and the Club trim come with the same suspension. It seems to me that what you are driving is the GT (you have GT seats) with an option package for the Brembo and BBS. That is not available in the US where the BBS/Brembo/Recaro package is an option on the Club. Of course, the club doesn't get adaptive headlights and dimming, homelink mirror. Are the recaros a stand-alone option in Canada? Why does Mazda configure differently for different markets?
Don’t compare this car to the US trims. It won’t make sense.
Every carmaker localizes their vehicles for specific markets.
Thanks great review BM. I am a proud owner of a US spec ND3 BBR and loving her immensely. You nailed it explaining the weight and chassis feedback. Better than any other car I’ve owned in my life.
How did you get a BBR in the US? I had a BBR 200 NC while I lived in the UK and it was absolutely mental. Now in the US, thinking about getting an ND and if I can get BBR type tuning I'd be in love
@@Element_y was pretty easy just had to speak with my local dealer that I bought a CX90 I6T MHEV from, and ordered her the 24 club roadster aero grey with BBR package and the optional aero kit, along with the aluminum pedal pack which adds the red aluminum oil cap to boot. Had to wait 2.5months but was worth it! Now on 20mm rear spacers 5mm fronts Olins, moss Miata sway bars and links, and did the Goodwin race exhaust with a HKS tip. In love
@@evoviiiyou831you won at life. I'm gonna ask about this, ty! PS, my NC had the BBR 225 kit with ITBs, I've never loved a car so much in my life!
Glad you enjoyed it! Great car!
Ordered crystal blue metallic RF - absolutely can’t wait. Hopefully coming in 3-4 months. Drove my friends 2017 RF grand touring as was hooked. For any kind of back roads this is the best option for the money hands down.
You're going to love it!
Great review; very useful and informative. Couple of things to add; anecdotally owners of these with that Soul Red colour always say that it is very thin paint which chips really really easily. Secondly take a look at videos on YT about the degree to which (as with all Mazda MX5’s historically) these, even relatively new, rust like hell underneath. Unfortunately that seems to be the Achilles heel of what is essentially a superb modern reliable sports car.
You review an RF but don’t talk about the hard top, let alone show what it is like to drive when the top is up. A missed opportunity in my book.
I have a rule. When I test cars with open roofs, the roofs are open (save for most downpours).
Yes, the ND 2 and 3 are very good but the sweet spot for me was a used NC1. They absolutely handle well after some aftermarket parts but the difference is often over $10k sometimes double the price. Regardless, drive these cars for the love of enthusiastic motoring. Same for the Subaru/Toyota BRZ and 86’s.
I have a 2009 MX-5GT retractable hardtop that I am thinking of upgrading to the 2025 edition. Love the upgrades!
I think the RF has a beautiful silhouette. But with the top down the roadster looks proper and that's what I bought. I took the extra RF money and made my ND2 roadster a GT. Couldn't be happier.
You made the right choice!
Liked the video , didn't think the '24 facelift changes were significant though, didn't like that the daytime running lights were integrated with the front headlights , and personally prefer the automatic transmission, doesn't make the car less fun to drive, just saves a lot of declutching which is a regular occurrence in the UK where I live ..The Mx 5 is a great car, I love mine .
Great review. Quite accurate. I purchased a new 2018 RF 6-speed manual. I’m in love with this car and will never get rid of it. However,
I am thinking of buying a new MX-5 ragtop and adding it to the fleet. I’ll have to do it when my wife isn’t looking. 😊
That sounds like a great plan!
Great content and format! Def subbing and liking! Cheers!
Awesome, thank you!
Brilliant car - brilliant review as per usual! I have an nd2 6mt club with Recaro/Brembo/BBS package in gray. Really like the color but soul crystal red would be the first choice for me too. Think the non Recaro seats are a little disappointing (find them a tight squeeze for larger than avg backs/shoulders.
Mine is a ST and I too think that’s the way to go. The RF cuts into headroom a bit and it does give you wind buffeting as you mentioned. The 102 lb weight penalty is likely not something most drivers (if not all) would detect, but it still bothers me to add roughly 4% more weight for something non essential to the car. I also absolutely love the simplicity of the soft top to operate manually! The quality of the insulation in the ST is light years better than the NB I had years ago (which I otherwise loved) and even better than my previous NC (which I didn’t exactly love as much).
I trust you when you say that KPC and the new LSD are good adds for the driving experience….but I’d need to lose a couple grand to sell mine and then add $9k more to buy new. I’m guessing the seat of the pants difference (for a road only, non-tracking driver) is not terribly material.
Great review as always. If I were single, I may have gotten the ragtop, but my wife loves the RF. I also prefer the looks. However, the much more open experience of the ragtop is missed. Hopefully they improved the buggy UI.
How do you measure fun?
@@BrianMaksewell, the wife and kids loving going on drives with with me in the Miata definitely is one barometer.
Always love your reviews of my favorite car ever. And my 22 GT Roadster is in soul red. Best color ever hands down. You communicate the virtues of this car much better than most. Keep it up Mr. Makse
Thank you! Your sentiments are the reasons we keep the channel going.
Nothing like feeling the wind in your hair !!...... Oh wait, the Follicle challenged have a smoother airflow :)
😂
Great review! I am a mazda cx90 owner and now thinking about the mx5 miata as a personal car. Would pick the roadster version over the RF though
Good choice!
I’m glad I’ve come across your channel.
Welcome!
Cant wait to get one again. Going supercharger with this trim and some other enhancements this time...
In regards to taller drivers,there are after market sear brackets that lower the seat by
an inch and half. Of course one's upper
torso length dictates if this a viable solution. Sill I think 6ft 1 to 6ft 3 is the upper limit with
this fix
I purchased a '24 GT soft top back in June, my 2nd soft top manual Miata, and soft top is the only way I'd go, personally. The RF looks amazing, exotic even, but it has some drawbacks that I couldn't overlook... 1) it operates way too slowly 2) the 6 mph speed lockout is way too slow 3) the wind buffeting (caused by those buttresses) at speeds above 45mph or so is deafening 4) it's hard to justify the $2800 up-charge 5) concerned with long term reliability. I chose the soft top (twice) mostly for its value, simplicity and speed of use while in motion. All of that said, the Miata is an absolute joy with either top. Just be sure to take a long test drive (incl higher speeds) in the RF before buying one.
While I considered an RF, I went with the true convertible. Why? If I lived in an area that gets bad weather or one where I may have to park in sketchy areas, I would have considered the RF more seriously, but I do not. Also, I drive with the top down at all times unless I happen to get caught in the rain. (Maybe twice over the last five years.) Also, the RF with the roof retracted, it makes more noise because the wind swirls behind your hear. So, the RF was just not a fit for me.
Hey ! Great review as always man !! As you drove both ST and RF, would you think the additional wind noise top down in the RF is really bad ?
No doubt a great car, and kudos to Mazda for their philosophy to keep sweating incremental improvements. And there is no substitute for the light weight. Can't think of anything else in the mainstream market that comes within 300 lbs and is a sports oriented ride. I drove one when I got my BRZ, and was a little too tall. That and unless driving solo, no place for coats, purses, etc. They really charge a premium for the Brembos and Bilstein package too, and at that time, didn't put the LSD in the base. I know "those days" are gone, but once I sprung for the "Limited" trim in my BRZ, (2017), the "Performance Package" was only a $ 1200 USD option. That brought the Sachs dampers, Brembo brakes, and different wheels, that may be a bit wider to make room for the Brembos. No regrets. We took a weekend trip over the mountains in the BRZ, and along the way, passed a Miata coming the other way. I asked my wife, "Know what we'd be doing if we had the MIata instead? Driving the Forester." LOL. That said, now that I don't commute and the BRZ is strictly a toy in the 3-car fleet, I have not ruled out someday owning a Miata rag top. Just legendary greatness. Thanks for reviewing the RF.
Thanks for the great video. What tyres does it have? Does it have a spare tyre?
This one has Bridgestones. No spare.
Great review, Brian. I have not driven a ND3, but have driven ND1 and ND2, both RF and soft top, and both 6MT and auto. While I like the look of the RF, I don't like the driving experience as much as the soft top. The open roof feels more like a targa top than a convertible, and the wind noise from the RF pillars is highly annoying. And since I buy cars to drive them, not look at them, the RF appearance doesn't improve the drive, but the wind noise takes away from it.
The automatic transmission, while being a good unit, totally takes away from the experience you describe of man and machine becoming one. There is nothing that an automatic transmission and paddle shifters can do to replicate the 6MT experience, so if you absolutely need the automatic transmission, just stop trying to convince people that the "car and driver as one" experience is still there. It isn't!
I disagree with your statement about the suspension being something perfect that cannot be improved upon in the aftermarket. There are some very well designed aftermarket suspensions that do a great job of matching stiffer spring rates with sophisticated damper valving, and really do improve the suspension performance while not detracting from daily driving comfort.
That said, I think the majority of ND3 buyers would be best served by purchasing the package as you recommended, and just learn to drive it to its capabilities rather than to add mods because forum people rave about the mods. The only mod that can really improve the driving experience is DRIVER TRAINING! Spend less money on mods, and more money on driver training, and you will be rewarded tenfold for your investment.
I still recall an auto magazine story from the 1980s when journalists were testing out the new Toyota Supra at a track. One journalist wrote how he was tearing up the track in the new Supra, but noticed a Toyota Corolla pulling onto the track. And after several laps, the Corolla caught and passed the journalist in his Supra.
After the track session the journalist walked over to the Corolla...and Dan Gurney stepped out of it. Hahahaha!!!!
Is there a driver training program in the NYC area that you could recommend? If not NYC area, the Northeast, or the East coast. Thanks!
Your second paragraph is dead wrong, and illustrates "all or nothing" thinking. The AT (when put into manual mode) and shifted with either the shifter or paddles does deliver a "car & driver as one" experience - I know, I experience it every time I drive my '23 soft-top. It may not be the same as a manual, but it has its own merits. I just wish the engine put out more HP, and that the sway bars were a "little" bit stiffer.
Great vid!!! Luv our NC & ND on road & track!!! 👍😊👊💥
Subscribed but feel the "major update" was an exaggeration. Overall, a quality video. I'll be back to see what you do in the future.
Welcome aboard! It's a major update in dynamics compared to the ND2.
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I can justify the price of the RF. I like the Club soft top but still having a difficult time justifying they price of it as well. Have driven both and liked them bit will likely not get one.
I bought a new ND in 2016 because of the looks in the red with white? leather seats but was disappointed with the handling, I had assumed that would be the cherry on the cake but found it rolled too much and that weight transfer made it feel skittish. I had it for 4 years and replaced the coil springs, wheels and tyres which helped a lot, also replaced the complete exhaust and got a tune. We got the LSD as standard here and I did like that.
I replaced it with a car that I had avoided thinking it was too heavy to handle well, a 370Z and for me that had great handling with reserves beyond my aging capabilites. Because it was planted with neglible roll I could also catch it when the rear end[LSD] stepped out which inspired confidence where the MX-5 seemed to do its own thing. Just my thoughts.
Middle choice is the twins Which I got VB BRZ because I still find Z’s perfect size but too much weight. Always wonder where the lead is stored? A used Guila might work for you. It hides it’s weight being front/mid engine.
@@TrojanRabbit521 I bought one of the first GT86's on the market and the steering was the best of any car that i've driven, so responsive.
The 1467kg for the 370Z has to come from the combination of a very solid body shell plus an engine, drivetrain, suspension, brakes, wheels and tyres that are big, powerful, built to last and all capable of handling double the power without modifying the guts of that wonderful engine.
The GR86 is great value and at $10,000 less than an MX-5 on the road is a no brainer. The engine upgrade and gearbox mods fixed it's previous shortcomings and it has a real presence about it, way above the cost.
Currently i'm driving an i20N which is $10,000 less than the GR86 on the road. It has to be one of the best back road cars on the market and is very engaging to drive. The cherry on the top is that it's practical, has a spare wheel and has averaged 6.5L/100km over the 18,000km that ive had it.
Ive driven or owned numerous sports cars including a Camaro, Corvette, 911, 986S, MX-5, Many Japanese funboxes, MkV GTi, et al.
The one I LOVE is the ND Miata.
Because it most reminds me of my Mk1 Scirocco.
A love for the ND Miata and the Mk1 Scirocco? You clearly have good taste in cars!
mazda needs to add a light blue or some other fun colors.
a green like they had back in the day but more of a modern contrast the way the red is would be awesome
@@21PHAZES Sage metallic green :)
@ sounds like a sweet color 🤙🏽
Hey Brian-65 in 2 weeks/does this remind u of MGBGT vs MGB or Triumph TR6 vs Spitfire?
I haven’t driven any of those, but this is as close as we’re going to get today!
Awesome review. In the market for a used 2019 or later. Probably go for the club spec. Hard top/Soft top? Soft all the way. 1st of all, an MX-5 is a convertible. Always has been and always should be. 2nd, to me, the RF just looks too much like an Opal GT, and that isn't a compliment. And if I want to be surrounded by a cage when the top is off, I'll just drive my 4Runner and roll the windows down.
You can't go wrong with a soft top.
Im a mazda tech and ngl. i picked up a 24 mx5 rf gt with the manual from my location as soon as one showed up the most fun car I've ever had. My last cars was a 1983 celica supra and a 86 iroc-z28 all have a spot in my heart but even my wife loves the mx5 so far only thing i can say is 2nd gear is weaker (most common gear to fail only thing so far ive seen fail but its usually drivers going really hard on pulls that cause it) other than that love mine to the moon and back and even in extreme weather ive pushed mine the driver assistance makes em just push even in bad conditions the mx5 holds true to a good gt car
[and the brembo package is honnestly not mutch or same as oem use that as you will =)]
Amazing car. One of if not the best driving car ...period.
Great video!!!
Thanks! 👍
The RF adds weight, but is stiffer (especially after I have added all the chassis reinforcement available). Toss in lightweight wheels (8kg down), 2-piece front rotors and calipers (4kg down), and lithium battery (15kg down), the net weight difference is minimal. (All, at a stiff cost of US$5,000.) Stiffer chassis and lower unsprung weight transform the handling, even though the suspension and tires are OEM stock. My friends owning ND, NB, and NC's can't believe how good the handling is, with stock tires and stock (soft) suspension. My other cars (2016 Porsche Cayman and 2018 BRZ) have stronger chassis and more power, but the RF is definitely the most agile and fun. The worst feature of the RF: blind spot (in the quarter rear). At least I can drive the RF any time, any where, and never worry about rain or (light) snow.
To each their own. I’d probably go with the raggy as I already have one (‘04 ‘speed), and love it.
I see the advantages of the hardtop, and if that’s what you want, fantastic.
Enjoy.
I got the soft top 2022 and it makes ticking sound in idle mode after long drive and a weird angry rev sound when I take my foot off the clutch from a gear to neutral when stationed. Scary because it seems like it has a mind of its own and about to take off. As a woman that love shopping the cabin size is a bit of a disappointment. Changing gears from 2-5 is a bit jerky.
I think we should go for a drive. It should run flawlessly.
I just checked what the insurance is on a 2024 RF. $333 a month in Texas with an excellent driver record. Is this accurate? That seems crazy to me. My 2015 Mazda 3 is $150/month and that's double what it was 3 years ago.
Does anyone know what’s happened in the last three years?
Wait. That’s a 2024? How did it get the Napa leather with red exterior? Didn’t know that was possible.
Brembos, BBS… where are the recaros?? Didn’t know you could do that. Thought it was a package
I explained this in the episode. It's a Canadian spec tester.
@@BrianMakse oh geezzz. Sorry dude. Was shopping and watching at the same time. lol. Now I’m relieved. My club is currently enroute to NY. I would’ve loved the leather but need the brembos and bbs. Thanks
Styling is definitely part of sports car equation for me. Comparing the two designs I was drawn like a magnetic pull to the Soul Red RF! Not objectively only pure sex appeal for me! 😊😎👍🏻
Love the new interior colour ... Is that available on all models?
It’s available in Canada on the top trim level. I’d much prefer cloth Recaros along with the Brembos/Bilsteins/BBSs.
Always a pleasure Sir! Mx5 owner! Best thing I’ve ever driven!
Couldn't agree more!
Great video...Can it seat a 6' 2" Driver comfortably ???
I want the 1.5L (132 HP) roadster featherweight as Mazda intended it to be 😘
I want to mod my 23 RF with turbo and exhaust . Does anyone have any recommendations?
Test drive soft top and hard top first. Hard top is like adding a 100 lb luggage to the trunk of a soft top.
I agree, there’s a noticeable difference.
The RF also makes the car look stubby.
I like the Mazda MX5. I know it's not made for straight line performance and it's awesome in the twisty's but if they could squeeze 250 hp out of that motor it would be soooo much better.
Never seen the channel before but big MX5 fan. Loved the review, loved your enthusiasm, loved the detail…. But for the love of god, will you please keep your hands on the steering wheel while you’re driving on public highways!
This is why RUclips car reviews are often frowned upon.
The concentration should be fully on safe driving not the conversation with the camera, regardless of driving skill level.
With best intentions.
Welcome aboard!
You know that part at the start of the episode when I introduce myself as a racer? I'm being a bit too modest.
I appreciate your well-intentioned comment, but I also appreciate the Dunning-Kruger effect and here's to hoping you become a better driver!
After you get your convertible top knifed a couple of times you understand the RF.
2017 rf crystal white right here. Every always asks me why i got the rf. I tell them look up pictures of tree and thing falling on soft tops. Hard top might save your life.
Wouldn't the Miata have More cargo space IF Mazda offered a Coupe instead of the hardtop?
Likely.
@@BrianMakse I need the cargo space, if it was a coupe, i would have one in my driveway.
Great Video! Have you reviewed the 2025 Mazda MX5 RF?
If the S2K didn’t exist I might have considered buying one.
I hope the new redesign will have room for drivers and passenger 6' tall and taller. It's way too tight for tall people. Don't make the car bigger or heavier though. Use CAD programs to carve out more space within the same confines.
I hear you. Sadly I think the space is a compromise you’ll have to make.
I’m 6’ 2” & medium build. I want a Miata so bad though.
@@BrandonRalstonUSA I would love one too. I both drove one and I sat in the passenger's seat. At 6' tall, to drive it is acceptable but not great. As a passenger, it's impossible to sit in for long drives. Very cramped. I know Mazda can fix this. With CAD programs, they can design down to the millimeter. No matter what, do NOT make the car bigger nor heavier. Carve out the interior space to fix taller people. If Mazda can make the Miata comfortable to sit in for tall drivers and passengers up to 6'2", that would expand their buying base. Only 3.9% of people are 6'2" or taller.
YES!!! Simple answer.
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I had 2020 convertible then traded in for 2022 RF. After one month, I regretted getting the RF. The RF rear view is not great as non RF.
I totally understand.
I think the ND3 is worse than my ND2.
Where will I hang my driving cap if the screen is that wide?
The NA was the best sounding Miata. Mazda seems to have made it less and less of a priority over the years and generations.
I think that’s more due to noise and emissions regulations than it is a tuning thing.
@ Then please explain the Fiat 124 Spider’s exhaust.
Worth it? Yes....!
Every penny.
Great vehicle. If only it was available in the Mazda signature Polymetal Gray Metallic "Carbon Edition" blue-gray color. Sadly, the available color choices are either bland or not appealing (IMO). Still, I'm considering getting the RF 6-MT in the Mazda red color.
*Obligatory I own an ND2 RF and it’s amazingly fun comment*
Represent!
Bought a '24 Sport. I live in a nice climate year round. Never drive with the top up. Would never consider the RF. No real convertible experience, more weight, more cost. No thanks.
Yes, I drove both when looking at 'em, and the driving experience with the soft-top is so much better.
It’s a great car if you fit. It is underpowered, don’t care to hear the old line. It don’t need more. It does. Mini vans are faster. Sold my 2020 BBR Club. Was uncomfortable after an hour to drive. No torque at all. My old Mazdaspeed Miata made more torque at 1800rpm than the. Club did at peak
My son has a 600 hp Shelby and I much rather prefer my 2010 Miata❤
I understand.
@@BrianMaksethanks
Do they have an aftermarket front end to this ugly front end? Other than that it’s a beautiful car
We must not say every mistake is a foolish one.
A major up grade would be 200+hp
We have an episode on the Flyin Miata ND V8. That works pretty well.
How tall are you, Brian? I am 6 foot tall, and I have heard that the legroom is very tight?
I'm 5'10" so you should fit fine. Give one a try.
@@BrianMakse Thank you very much for getting back to me. I do want to ask you about the 340 lbs payload limit. I am 220 lbs and my wife is 160 lbs. Our combined weight without counting any luggage exceed the payload weight limit. Do you think that will create any issues?
The RF is my favorite MX-5. That rear three quarter view is awfully sexy for something so cute.
0to60 in 5.5 or 6 seconds down hill maybe. I have one. Those magazine tests are never true.
"...but that's not what the MX-5 is about..."
The magazine guys LOVE to tell you all about their testing procedures and how awesome they are as drivers.
Not very practical, but one of the few new (yet still old-school) vehicles worth buying in these days of stupid tech-bloat galore & consumer-unfriendly engineering.
It’s a sports car! It’s not meant to be practical!
I always knew "roadster" as a removable hardtop. Soft top is convertible. And this is a retractable hardtop brand convertible.
It's all semantics, the point is to enjoy the drive!
I love it. Eff the snobs!
Better get one now before Mazda turns into a hybrid for the next gen to be released in two years or so....
RF chassis is 30% stiffer. It's as close to as a proper, rigid coupe as we'll ever get.
I heard in the grape vine that they are bringing a new body style out soon, well over due this body has not been changed for a while.
What grapevine is that?
The RF is the straight man's MX5
Great review!
Maybe its time to trade in my '04 for a '24
(RF = sacrilegious)
It’s more like 6.7 0-60. But we all can’t own a Lotus Emira.
I average 28 mpg.