I can not listen to Artie Shaw without craving a hot bath, a close shave, a fine suit, a bank roll, a beautiful dame, and at least two stiff manhattans... I love this guy's recorded work...
Better still...... A bottle of the finest Scottish single malt whisky, and please not, it's spelt whisky, unlike others of an inferior type spelt with an e.
From Wikipedia: A self-proclaimed "very difficult man", Shaw was married eight times He apparently also studied advanced mathematics. And his comment "the map is not the territory!" His range of sincere interested seems unbounded. I love his idea that the idea of a #1 hit makes no sense -- art cannot be measured on a scale. There's individual preferences -- you can have a favorite poet. But there is no #1 poem or #1 poet. He apparently was very familiar with Tupak Shakur. Amazing. He also made some of the most beautiful and haunting music of all time.
What a great interview. Mr Beecher does an amazing job by letting the guest talk without interrupting him. Mr Shaw is an old grouch, but wise, realistic about the world, intellectual and endowed with a dry sense of humor. Have enjoyed this video a lot. Thank you for sharing this gem.
His father referred to his Clarinet as a Blunderbuss and viewed it with disdain. Daddy probably did a lot of damage to the young Artie. Parents just don't realize the damage they can do.
My piano teacher in the 1980's was a good friend of Artie's and spoke about him often and fondly. I'm afraid to say I knew little about him at the time.
13:25 reminds me of what Monk said "Don't play what the public wants--play what you want and let the public pick up on it,even if it takes 15 or 20 years..."
קשה לי לעקוב אחרי כל מילה כיאנגלית לא שפת אם שלי אבל מאד נהייניתי ארטי שו אישיות מקסימה המון שכל ומלא חיים ומפרגן לכל יוצר ומבצע תודה לו ומגישים התכנית ❤
An enjoyable interview. I wish the extra segment could be heard here...He is an interesting man. I'll look for other Artie Shaw interviews because I like his perspectives...
Artie was a driven perfectionist. A self-proclaimed very difficult man. He probably was not a very happy man. He would put down other bandleaders (Goodman, James, Miller) for instance. "Goodman played the clarinet; I played music" * "James was too "schmaltzy" & Miller was "too careful; played the same stuff over and over". I personally appreciated Shaw's work very much but I'm glad not to have his personal misery.
I'm a record collector of the 30s-50s 78's and I pass by the Harry James records- they're schmaltzy schlock. Which is a shame, because he was a hot trumpet. Obviously he listened too much to his handlers.
@@Conn30Mtenor Listen to some of his later recordings from the late 50-60's when he was working in Las Vegas. He had a swingin band and he was getting back to playing jazz....less schmaltz. He sounds almost boppish on some of them. There are some good examples on YT.
@@matthiaspfisterer2066 HJ was probably MUCH nicer to work for. I’ve loved Artie’s music since my dad introduced me to it as a kid, but Lord, what an SOB.
Wow. I enjoyed the hell out of this. Mr. Shaw has said so many things that I have come to know, except obviously being far senior to me, he has said them first and better. But we are on the same wavelength. I'm pretty grouchy too! But he's a nice guy overall, and so am i.
Yup. Those with humungous ego get what's coming to them in capitalistic business, unless they can sustain popularity and sales in such a way. I'm not sure if there's been any artist that has achieved that. When we mean the bomb, we mean what Artie Shaw cannot stand here, and that is the changes in the business. You have to be a bomb in the everchanging business to even the modern pop audiences. Shaw only appealed mainly to a few audiences which were conservative over time. Classical and jazz (not bop jazz)?
Artie Shaw was certainly convinced that Artie Shaw was an intellectual. In every interview he ever did, he had the same impatient, peremptory, peevish style of speaking, with a few moments of good will and praise for other performers that make the listeners feel like they are being given a fleeting respite from a harangue and a tongue-lashing.
Can’t imagine living with this man. He wasn’t satisfied with himself and, tho he married many beautiful women, I believe they all left him. I imagine he treated them as prize to have won and not necessarily try any longer. He once said to Johnny Carson when asked about how many times he had been married, “You know what you learn about people who marry many times? Those are people who want to be married.” I just think he wanted perfection in everything and If/when he reached it, he moved on
Remember hearing Artie Shaw's version of "How Deep is the Ocean" as a young boy - it really had an impression on me as someone learning to play the clarinet (and still does). At school, in music class, was asked by a fellow clarinet player, who sounds nicer in my opinion (Artie vs Benny). No offense to Benny (beautiful virtuoso in his own right), Artie just sounds WAY nicer to my ears. Artie, quite way too soon; he felt pigeon-holed and unable to express his own ideas much more broadly on the clarinet. Sure he wrote, but people remember him as the virtuoso clarinet player he was - his gorgeous sound and range, IMO, has still not been equaled.
I think that he had no patience for stupidity and he began to see stupidity everywhere. If you see the photos of him with Ray Charles or Duke Ellington you see a different side of him.
What a wonderful inspirational intelligent talented man. What a lucky blessed moment of learning to know the information he shared in this interview. Remain informed and vigilant one never stops learning keeping an open mind.
The only thing I really knew about Shaw was that I came to realize that I wiggled to 'Begin the Beguine' when I was five in 1948. He married the most beautiful women for short spells, but that fact came much later.
Was never a big Shaw fan and this interview confirms my belief. Shaw is absolutely full of himself and has a rather high opinion of his talents. I don't share his opinion. Goodman could, and did, play circles around him.
I notice Mr Goodman didn’t bother sniping at him as far as I’m aware. It seems reasonable to suggest Mr Shaw spent more time worrying about comparing the two than Goodman did. He seems to snarl for the sake of snarling which is sad. Goodman spent a lot of years supporting a large family, married once and had daughters who loved him? Compare that to the poor Shaw.
No doubt Shaw had a grating personality, but he was also known as a bandleader who was very fair particularly money-wise with the musicians who worked for him, unlike Goodman. Furthermore, I love Benny but no way did he "play circles" around Shaw. Many modern musicians view Shaw as far more influential and interesting harmonically, including Phil Woods, Jerome Richardson, Cannonball Adderley, and others.
3:20 Vincent van Gogh : love many things for in their life strength and he who loves many things produces much and that which is done with love is well done
One of the greats for sure. "Stardust", "Frenesi", and "Dancing In The Dark" were just some of his greats, although I'm not a big fan of his theme "Nightmare". A little too dark/harsh. If you could take the time to technically explain the "Swing-Era", you would be able to clearly define it. Jazz from about 1935 to 1945 had a unique sound that differed from what came before and after. Easy to hear, harder to define.
Yes. Never underestimate American post-WW2 decadent culture and its relentless brainwashing of the world, being able to sell utter crap in any walk of life as a "magnificent achievement" (all the selling is done under the threat of bombing or economic blackmail; if you don't like it, the US will organise a campaign against you).
Excellent pick up on your part. That was a great comment to hear...when he said it, I reflected on a guy who had started in vaudeville and early jazz and swing and had lived long enough to see the popularity of Rap. That's a long timeline. Most get caught up yappin' about whether or not that signifies musical "progress," but in true Shaw perspective, like it or not, its simply continuation and evolution. Just as you have folks who are not pleased with this evolution, you had just as many in every prior cycle of American music evolution who felt the same way.
I have immense respect for the Artie Shaw here. Its very hard for me to imagine him as a narcissistic pain in the ass lmao, but he certainly damn well was. He was a very smart man. I think he's very good at hiding the person his son spoke about.
The interviewer was intent on fawning all over Shaw, but to his credit he wasn’t about to put up with it. I could listen to him speak for an hour straight without a single question. And for the record, it was the Hutus that did all the killing in Rwanda, not the Tutsi. Also, I know that some people will say that Shaw was quote unquote opinionated. When someone has interesting things to say then I appreciate the fact that he or she is opinionated. And Artie is spot on when he points out that when an audience applauds a soloist it often obliterates the opening bars and ideas of the next soloist following his cue. I’ve thought the same thing for many years. It’s especially true on a lot of live jazz recordings where an acoustic piano has to follow a sax or trumpet solo. One last thing: When you click on the word “more” there is no more information whatsoever regarding this interview.
I agree. He was SO self-centered. The two children he did have, he didn’t want. He was angry with his wives for having them, wanting them to terminate the pregnancies. When the mother of one of his children, Betty Kern, asked him why he didn’t pay any attention to his child, he said “Why should I feel fatherly toward him? I didn’t want him in the first place!” That is just COLD.
How can you come to that conclusion ? His very honest clear thought process in seeking and learning everything one can about life and those who continue doing their desired love of whatever they find what they want to dedicate themselves to.
@@marymagdalene3004 Lana Turner, Ava Gardner, and Evelyn Keyes all remembered him in their respective autobiographies and to put it plainly and very mildly, stated marriage with him was far (very far) from pleasant.
There's nothing likeable about Artie, apart from his music, which he didn't like either. If he didn't like Frenesi or Begin the Beguine (two of the greatest tunes ever), then the guy's got no taste in music!
He liked them alright. This guy obviously never did a damn thing he didn't like and didn't respect. He just didn't like having to play them over and over endlessly EXACTLY THE SAME AS THAT ONE RECORDING to pass muster with the audiences and promoters. He wanted to move on with the joy of musical expression and creativity, and they would not let him.
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I can not listen to Artie Shaw without craving a hot bath, a close shave, a fine suit, a bank roll, a beautiful dame, and at least two stiff manhattans... I love this guy's recorded work...
Better still...... A bottle of the finest Scottish single malt whisky, and please not, it's spelt whisky, unlike others of an inferior type spelt with an e.
notenot not...DOH.
OMG ……….. what a legend beyond beyond! Thank you so much for this! Thank God, it was taped, and it’s on tape forever!
Still listening too his stuff I'm 80yrs old
*to his stuff
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Great interview, Artie Shaw was a very smart man.
Genius.
Its a shame he was such a pain in the ass lmao.
From Wikipedia: A self-proclaimed "very difficult man", Shaw was married eight times
He apparently also studied advanced mathematics. And his comment "the map is not the territory!" His range of sincere interested seems unbounded.
I love his idea that the idea of a #1 hit makes no sense -- art cannot be measured on a scale. There's individual preferences -- you can have a favorite poet. But there is no #1 poem or #1 poet.
He apparently was very familiar with Tupak Shakur.
Amazing.
He also made some of the most beautiful and haunting music of all time.
What a great interview. Mr Beecher does an amazing job by letting the guest talk without interrupting him. Mr Shaw is an old grouch, but wise, realistic about the world, intellectual and endowed with a dry sense of humor. Have enjoyed this video a lot. Thank you for sharing this gem.
His father referred to his Clarinet as a Blunderbuss and viewed it with disdain. Daddy probably did a lot of damage to the young Artie. Parents just don't realize the damage they can do.
A delightful grouch with real vision.
Call him a grouch, call him unhappy, but i remember a quote from Linus Van Pelt: "Have you ever met someone who was happy...and in his right mind?"
Facts!
Conformity is not a virtue. Good on Artie for being true to himself.
Artie is my favorite of all of them. I don't expect perfection from anyone. The music speaks for itself.
Curmudgeonly-yes.But also brilliant and sensible. Great interview.
My piano teacher in the 1980's was a good friend of Artie's and spoke about him often and fondly. I'm afraid to say I knew little about him at the time.
I very much enjoyed this chat with a legendary Clarinet Player and/or Musician; a hero of mine also.😄
Artie Shaw a one off way ahead of his time, tells it how it was then Back in the day he was f------g brilliant and second too none
*to none
13:25 reminds me of what Monk said "Don't play what the public wants--play what you want and let the public pick up on it,even if it takes 15 or 20 years..."
A master of music
קשה לי לעקוב אחרי כל מילה כיאנגלית לא שפת אם שלי אבל מאד נהייניתי ארטי שו אישיות מקסימה המון שכל ומלא חיים ומפרגן לכל יוצר ומבצע תודה לו ומגישים התכנית ❤
Artie Shaw was a very interesting man! He had a very analytical mind in my humble opinion!
Great interview .. he says it right.
An enjoyable interview. I wish the extra segment could be heard here...He is an interesting man. I'll look for other Artie Shaw interviews because I like his perspectives...
Artie was a driven perfectionist. A self-proclaimed very difficult man. He probably was not a very happy man. He would put down other bandleaders (Goodman, James, Miller) for instance. "Goodman played the clarinet; I played music" * "James was too "schmaltzy" & Miller was "too careful; played the same stuff over and over". I personally appreciated Shaw's work very much but I'm glad not to have his personal misery.
I'm a record collector of the 30s-50s 78's and I pass by the Harry James records- they're schmaltzy schlock. Which is a shame, because he was a hot trumpet. Obviously he listened too much to his handlers.
@@Conn30Mtenor Same here... :)
@@Conn30Mtenor Listen to some of his later recordings from the late 50-60's when he was working in Las Vegas. He had a swingin band and he was getting back to playing jazz....less schmaltz. He sounds almost boppish on some of them. There are some good examples on YT.
@@Conn30Mtenor Same here. And definitely not Helen Forrest´s best decision to leave Artie Shaw for HJ...
@@matthiaspfisterer2066 HJ was probably MUCH nicer to work for. I’ve loved Artie’s music since my dad introduced me to it as a kid, but Lord, what an SOB.
Wow. I enjoyed the hell out of this. Mr. Shaw has said so many things that I have come to know, except obviously being far senior to me, he has said them first and better. But we are on the same wavelength. I'm pretty grouchy too! But he's a nice guy overall, and so am i.
OK, but what does your 10th wife have to say about it?
Artie Shaw’s Begin The Beguine was my uncle’s favorite piece of music
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I wonder how Artie and Buddy Rich got along. Great artists, great talent, and to stir the pot, great ego - necessary for perfection.
His intellect comes forth in his virtuosity. I think he was someone who broke the mold. Interesting guy.
ARTIE SHAW WAS THE BOMB AT ONE TIME...BUT IT DOESN'T LAST FOREVER.
Yup. Those with humungous ego get what's coming to them in capitalistic business, unless they can sustain popularity and sales in such a way. I'm not sure if there's been any artist that has achieved that. When we mean the bomb, we mean what Artie Shaw cannot stand here, and that is the changes in the business. You have to be a bomb in the everchanging business to even the modern pop audiences. Shaw only appealed mainly to a few audiences which were conservative over time. Classical and jazz (not bop jazz)?
@@NoOne-kr4jc*with a humongous ego
One of my favourite musicians . My favourite artistic commentator … in all genres. Also respect the personality soo much.
I absolutely love Artie Shaw, as a writer as well as a musician. He was also a colossal jerk sometimes. Which endears him to me even more.
I THINK ARTIE SHAW WAS A INTELLECTUAL.
*an intellectual
@@January. No, no, Uh INTELLECTUAL he ain't even got a big ol' truck wif truck nuts. Wimp!
Artie Shaw was certainly convinced that Artie Shaw was an intellectual. In every interview he ever did, he had the same impatient, peremptory, peevish style of speaking, with a few moments of good will and praise for other performers that make the listeners feel like they are being given a fleeting respite from a harangue and a tongue-lashing.
Absolute truth in getting Jazz & life under the skin!
You can understand why his wives didn't last very long.
Narcissists cant have successful long-term relations. The are incapable of seeing themselves as they are-more so than normal folk
I can't see it, but I think he's damn well good at hiding that part of his personality LOL
Thumbs, WAY UP.
Can’t imagine living with this man. He wasn’t satisfied with himself and, tho he married many beautiful women, I believe they all left him. I imagine he treated them as prize to have won and not necessarily try any longer. He once said to Johnny Carson when asked about how many times he had been married, “You know what you learn about people who marry many times? Those are people who want to be married.” I just think he wanted perfection in everything and If/when he reached it, he moved on
Remember hearing Artie Shaw's version of "How Deep is the Ocean" as a young boy - it really had an impression on me as someone learning to play the clarinet (and still does). At school, in music class, was asked by a fellow clarinet player, who sounds nicer in my opinion (Artie vs Benny). No offense to Benny (beautiful virtuoso in his own right), Artie just sounds WAY nicer to my ears. Artie, quite way too soon; he felt pigeon-holed and unable to express his own ideas much more broadly on the clarinet. Sure he wrote, but people remember him as the virtuoso clarinet player he was - his gorgeous sound and range, IMO, has still not been equaled.
I think that he had no patience for stupidity and he began to see stupidity everywhere. If you see the photos of him with Ray Charles or Duke Ellington you see a different side of him.
What a wonderful inspirational intelligent talented man. What a lucky blessed moment of learning to know the information he shared in this interview. Remain informed and vigilant one never stops learning keeping an open mind.
LOVE ARTE SHAW!!!!
The only thing I really knew about Shaw was that I came to realize that I wiggled to 'Begin the Beguine' when I was five in 1948. He married the most beautiful women for short spells, but that fact came much later.
Artie Shaw is the definition of I care so much that I give no fucks. He is the Tupak Shakru of Big Band.
Arte, to name a few, married Ava, Lana, Eveyln Keyes...must been very charismatic.
Was never a big Shaw fan and this interview confirms my belief. Shaw is absolutely full of himself and has a rather high opinion of his talents. I don't share his opinion. Goodman could, and did, play circles around him.
I notice Mr Goodman didn’t bother sniping at him as far as I’m aware. It seems reasonable to suggest Mr Shaw spent more time worrying about comparing the two than Goodman did. He seems to snarl for the sake of snarling which is sad. Goodman spent a lot of years supporting a large family, married once and had daughters who loved him? Compare that to the poor Shaw.
No doubt Shaw had a grating personality, but he was also known as a bandleader who was very fair particularly money-wise with the musicians who worked for him, unlike Goodman. Furthermore, I love Benny but no way did he "play circles" around Shaw. Many modern musicians view Shaw as far more influential and interesting harmonically, including Phil Woods, Jerome Richardson, Cannonball Adderley, and others.
3:20
Vincent van Gogh :
love many things for in their life strength and he who loves many things produces much and that which is done with love is well done
RIP Artie Shaw, 94, 1910-2004. What year's this interview?
What year?
One of the greats for sure. "Stardust", "Frenesi", and "Dancing In The Dark" were just some of his greats, although I'm not a big fan of his theme "Nightmare". A little too dark/harsh. If you could take the time to technically explain the "Swing-Era", you would be able to clearly define it. Jazz from about 1935 to 1945 had a unique sound that differed from what came before and after. Easy to hear, harder to define.
25:10 Artie mentions Tupac Shakur selling more records than him 😄
Yes. Never underestimate American post-WW2 decadent culture and its relentless brainwashing of the world, being able to sell utter crap in any walk of life as a "magnificent achievement" (all the selling is done under the threat of bombing or economic blackmail; if you don't like it, the US will organise a campaign against you).
Excellent pick up on your part. That was a great comment to hear...when he said it, I reflected on a guy who had started in vaudeville and early jazz and swing and had lived long enough to see the popularity of Rap. That's a long timeline. Most get caught up yappin' about whether or not that signifies musical "progress," but in true Shaw perspective, like it or not, its simply continuation and evolution. Just as you have folks who are not pleased with this evolution, you had just as many in every prior cycle of American music evolution who felt the same way.
I have immense respect for the Artie Shaw here. Its very hard for me to imagine him as a narcissistic pain in the ass lmao, but he certainly damn well was. He was a very smart man. I think he's very good at hiding the person his son spoke about.
Great musician but Benny will always be number ONE.
It depends which style you like. Benny's playing shows he just plain loved playing music. Artie's also. They're just very different styles.
@@alexcarter8807 True - but Benny was the best.
At 25:25: "We're talking subjectively. We're trying to talk objectively about a subjective matter. Can't do it. That's where the confusion arises."
The interviewer was intent on fawning all over Shaw, but to his credit he wasn’t about to put up with it.
I could listen to him speak for an hour straight without a single question.
And for the record, it was the Hutus that did all the killing in Rwanda, not the Tutsi.
Also, I know that some people will say that Shaw was quote unquote opinionated.
When someone has interesting things to say then I appreciate the fact that he or she is opinionated.
And Artie is spot on when he points out that when an audience applauds a soloist it often obliterates the opening bars and ideas of the next soloist following his cue.
I’ve thought the same thing for many years.
It’s especially true on a lot of live jazz recordings where an acoustic piano has to follow a sax or trumpet solo.
One last thing: When you click on the word “more” there is no more information whatsoever regarding this interview.
Intelligent and wise
And also a huge prick
@bennygoodmanisgod Which is why he married all those gorgeous women!
Look closely you can see his tackle box and rod and reel🎣
😅
Squidward!!!!
Grande entre los Grandes !
Beguin de Beguin !
Insuperable en todo.
El Rey del clarinete !!
what about BENNY/
he is correct about #1
6:55 "They made [Glenn Miller] a hero because he got killed in a plane"! A Trumpian personality?
A pretty nasty sexist guy when it came to the way he treated women.
Bitte in Deutsch
Overbearing! Bet this interviewer had second thoughts about interviewing Mr. Shaw.
I agree. He was SO self-centered. The two children he did have, he didn’t want. He was angry with his wives for having them, wanting them to terminate the pregnancies. When the mother of one of his children, Betty Kern, asked him why he didn’t pay any attention to his child, he said “Why should I feel fatherly toward him? I didn’t want him in the first place!” That is just COLD.
You sniffed it out? What parts Mary?
@@QueenOfTheNorth65 Yup. I suspect his upbringing made him the way he was. I heard his parents were very very difficult.
ARTIE SHAW COMES ACROSS AS KINDA CRAZY IN THIS INTERVIEW.
How can you come to that conclusion ? His very honest clear thought process in seeking and learning everything one can about life and those who continue doing their desired love of whatever they find what they want to dedicate themselves to.
This man had coitus with Ava Gardner!
Quite overbearing!
@@marymagdalene3004 Lana Turner, Ava Gardner, and Evelyn Keyes all remembered him in their respective autobiographies and to put it plainly and very mildly, stated marriage with him was far (very far) from pleasant.
You think so? What parts?
Great interview but the bass solo opinion was kind of ignorant
Benny Goodman said something similar about drums.
There's nothing likeable about Artie, apart from his music, which he didn't like either. If he didn't like Frenesi or Begin the Beguine (two of the greatest tunes ever), then the guy's got no taste in music!
Bollix
He liked them alright. This guy obviously never did a damn thing he didn't like and didn't respect. He just didn't like having to play them over and over endlessly EXACTLY THE SAME AS THAT ONE RECORDING to pass muster with the audiences and promoters. He wanted to move on with the joy of musical expression and creativity, and they would not let him.
The best❤❤❤❤😂