Really hope to see more of him on coverage. Great attitude, awesome brew, solid play (and still critical about his own play). Pretty everything you want out of a Magic player.
Is it possible it could have been for excessive talking at the table? I watched Daniel beat Steve Rubin on the back tables in Rd 13 or 14 and he was jabbering excessively the whole time. Steve is a super nice guy so he was just sort of rolling with it, but I could tell he was getting annoyed, particularly when Cathro was yapping away during complex decision moments in the game and Steve was one match loss away from being eliminated from top 8 contention. The commentary drowns out a lot of the chat at the table, and Owen had an enormous amount riding on the outcome of this match, and after nosediving from a 10-0 position was visibly on edge. For the record, this is just a theory, the judge could've pulled Daniel aside for a completely different reason, but when I saw it happen I instantly thought that it could've been for excessive table chat. Also for the record, Daniel played extremely well and I'm sure we'll see a lot more of him in the future. He pretty handily beat Rubin in what I thought was a tough matchup, and he's obviously not intimidated by playing at the highest level.
At around the 21:00 minute mark, Owen has the option of flashing in a deep fiend, but in order to do it, would have to sacrifice a creature, leaving exactly three creatures in play while deep fiend is on the stack. He knows Daniel has the pariah, meaning that Daniel could, in response to deep fiend, flash in an pariah by discarding it to haunted dead, sacrifice haunted dead and the two spirits, then make Own sacrifice his board, leaving Own with a deep fiend but no emrakrul and daniel with two abolishers. Surprised they didn't comment on that, especially considering a similar thing happened on the last turn.
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, if it entered from your graveyard or you cast it from your graveyard, return Prized Amalgam from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped at the beginning of the next end step. Since he is casting Haunted Dead from the Graveyard by discarding two cards, he is triggering Prized Amalgam.
At 15:54 Owen could have won the game 1 but did not... He knows from earlier that Daniel does have Murderous Compulsion... so he must know he can't win with only attacking for the madness trick we just see. Alternate line: play Gnarlwood Dryad, emerge Elder Deep-Fiend tapping all black mana. Emrakuhl attack and win ! Note: saccing Ishkanah or a token will not work because Daniel could also make Owen sacrifice 3 creatures. Mention Marshall at 32:51: "He did play brilliantly the first game" ...
You can. But, Elder Deep-Fiend is not yet on the Battlefield when Abolisher would resolve, so Owen has no creatures that Daniel could kill, and Kozilek's Return does 5 damage when flashed from the grave, which is enough to kill an Abolisher of Bloodlines.So short answer: He can, but it would be absolutely meaningless because the outcome would be exactly the same whether he chose to transform or not.
Cathro getting a Slow Play Warning is such utter bias. Owen took just as long if not longer resolving the EOT gier reach loot trigger, earlier in the game with significantly less implications, and got no warning or anything. Utter bias from judges prevalent in the Pro Tour meta
Pretty sure after g1 the judge said something about "7" after Daniel counted a 6 delirium count. Did Daniel count wrong and did that cause the Owen loss? Is that way the judge pulled Daniel off to the side mob-style after the game?
No, there was 6 types if you look through the game you'll be able to see it. It's actually impossible to get a 7 delirium count on the deck plioted by Owen. (Land, Creature, Planeswalker, Sorcery, Instant and enchantment).
(Lvl 1 judge here) As far as I could see before that point, Daniel changed the order of the cards in Owen's graveyard as he was counting land types, which is not allowed.
arguably, do you think owen should've played a liliana, killing OG lili, use its -2 to return haunted dead to daniel's hand (negating him bringing dudes back from the yard) then pay 1 to cast salvation for zero?
Absolutely noobish question but, why do players keep shuffling their hands all the time? Is it a nerveous thing or something for the opponent to be unable to know what cards you have kept or something?
Why did he play Relentless Dead at ~8:00? That was so unnecessary, he should've just kept the Mana open for Haunted Dead, there was nothing Owen could do at this point except for wiping the board anyways, there wasn't even enough Mana for the Relentless recursion. Also, why didn't he sac his stuff for Pariah in response to Kozilek's Return at ~12:10?
I decided to play around ishkanah. By playing relentless dead ishkanah isnt an out, and he need exactly wretched gryf a land and a three drop for me to get blown out. He had it though.
When Ken Yukihiro Mindslavered Reid on game 3, he did all that land destruction with World Breaker, but didn't attack Atarka into the Emrakul. That seems like a pretty glaring mistake unless I'm missing something.
yea I think it was just a mistake. He might have been trying to bait the block though so he could kill the world breaker and the atarka instead of just the atarka. I doubt reid would have blocked if all he had was the world breaker.
You get priority after someone discards a madness card because of the "When you discard this card, discard it into exile" clause so Owen could have won game 1 by playing the deep-fiend in response to the madness trigger from the murderous compulsion therefore negating Daneiel's ability to cast he murderous compulsion and forcing him to place it directly into the graveyard
there are a number of factors that could have lead to such a mistake, first of all since Owen is a pro and has a team to test with he probably played mostly in paper because he didn't need to use MTGO to play and without an online magic experience with the set most players wouldn't even know that you even got priority before a player gets to put a madness card on the stack let alone actually use that priority in a game. Also Daniel immediately put murderous compulsion on the stack targeting Emrakul completely skipping the madness trigger. I don't know whether or not it would have been correct for a judge to step in and force the players to acknowledge the trigger but it defiantly would have swinged the game. Although Owen did win the series it is still sad to see such a misplay lose someone the game especially at this high of a level but what do I know, I'm not in the pro tour and I definitely don't want to come off as one of the people who nit pick every little mistake in the comments section but I felt that this one was important considering it lost Owen the game (but luckily not the series) and it couldn't have been that hard to spot considering a lucksack scrub like me could have seen it :)
How would it have helped? Deep-Fiend only taps stuff. Emrakul would still be tapped. Tapping lands would be useless, as you can get the mana in response.
You are totally right, Owen did make a huge mistake here. Alternatively he could have cast EDF at 22:22 before declaring attackers, tapping 4 black lands. Voldaren Pariah can make Owen sac 3, but he has 3 spiders to spare. And Daniel can't respond with Murderous Compulsion, since it can only target TAPPED creatures. Owen did know Daniel's hand since he controlled him a turn before. He also must know all the current sets as a PRO, knowing that there is nothing Daniel could have possibly drawn that could kill an untapped Emrakul during Owen's own turn. And if two peasants as you and me can spot this line of victory, a pro like Owen should have as well. Especially since he is player of the year now as well...
People, you can tap the lands before the guy casts his spell from exile, but he can still get the mana from them in response and use it when he gets priority back. -_- As for the second point, first there is To the Slaughter that can kill an untapped Emrakul on your opponent's turn ; and Murderous Compulsion wasn't in Cathro's hand yet when Owen controlled him for the first time. You should make sure you understand everything that's going on before making those sorts of claims...
You are wrong, firstly creeper, Daniel will just add the mana in response so taht argumentation is deeply stupid, pun intended secondly, in 22.22 ony two spiders where alive, so no, it doesn't work.
Blue black zombies looks like so much fun, but ultimately the deck compared to Turtenwalds is much slower and has less ways to power through the library. So many turns Cathro was just playing a creature that didn't impact the board and passing the turn. We got to see what his deck was capable in full force in game 1 but that was because of his amazing draw. Turtenwald's deck on the other hand is able to sift through his library to find what he needs while also making Emrakul cheaper to cast.
When Cathro killed emrakul in game 1 with murderous compulsion, couldn't turtenwald have sacrificed emrakul to play elder deep fiend? Or he could have at least don't that before murderous compulsion to tap cathro's blockers since he knew Cathro had a murderous compulsion?
Yes he could have sacrificed it to the elder deep fiend, but blockers were already declared so it would have changed nothing and Owen would have been forced to use his Kozelik's Return right then. Had he cast the deep fiend and tapped the blockers, Daniel still gets a blocker off the haunted dead and nothing changes. The correct line of play since Owen knew about the murderous compulsion from controlling Daniel turn previously was to cast the deep fiend and tap Daniel's lands. Daniel would not be able to target Emrakul with murderous compulsion since it would not be tapped at the time, thus allowing Owen to attack with lethal.
Does anyone else just shake their head to know WotC can create MTG Duels, looking awesome, but are content with MTGO looking like it was made in 2000. Who exactly is playing MTG Duels? What market is this for where you only get some of the cards?
You're right. Why would I want to practice 24/7 to get better? Why would I expect WotC to port the level of graphics in a game no one plays to MTGO...ya know, the game people actually play. This is not about online vs paper. This is about WotC making the most bone head decisions completely unnecessarily. They release Duels and restrict the cards? Good thinking. Cuz lots of people want to play a with gimped card pool. The least they could do is license the name to a studio that will create a nice looking product. Hex and Eternal have proven you can make a great looking client on a fraction of MTGO's budget. Please think before you reply.
Yeah, and that's cool for those people. I don't want to take away Duels. I want WotC to put 2 and 2 together and port the great graphics and interface to MTGO. I boggles my mind they haven't figured out why Hearthstone has passed them in the online arena. Because it looks like a game made in the last 10 years. And Blizzard was smart and made the game affordable to everyone. No need to go out and spend $8-1000 on a modern deck or $3-500 on a standard one. Listen, I love Diablo but can't really call myself a blizzard fan. They don't innovate, they simplify then mass market others' ideas. But in this area, they did well. WotC is leaving so much money on the table.
I agree MTGO is unacceptable, but it seems Wizards isn't going to do anything about it. You do have to spend hundreds of $ if you want to have a top tier Hearthstone deck though since there's no singles market.
Owen came off as a bit of an asshole. He basically ignored everything Daniel said at the end of the matchup and ran off as Daniel was trying to talk to him. Funny how karma came back as he lost his championship match horrendously because he kept a terrible hand! =p
Totally. But he's a pro. I personally don't care for his win at any cost attitude(see Goyf gate) but he remained professional. See Chris Andersen for the opposite. But yeah, can you imagine, it's you're HoF weekend and you are 1 game from losing 4 straight win and in games to lose top 8.
I have to admit I can get tilted also on MTGO when my pro level Grixis Delver deck gets beat by some random mono green stompy thing. It's like you think "pfff, that deck doesnt have articles written about it...it should never beat my tested and tuned deck"
I hate the term "pro"...hes just like every other player who net decks their way to top spot at a card shop. I personally like players like Daniel more, because they don't just build whatever deck is the best at the time, they actually use some effort and build their own brews and learn how to play them well. Its actually pretty awesome that Daniel did that well with a zombie deck in a pro tour. As a zombie player myself...its actually a pretty big deal seeing a deck like this make it so far.
he was playing safe at 4 creature if he played edf he and say targeted the land dainel would play voldern in responce get rid of emeral crul leaving him only with edf and no flyers or reach
He does win if he casts EDF at 22:22 before declaring attackers and taps 4 black lands! I saw this line right away and was really shocked Owen didn't. There is no way Daniel can own Owen there, Voldaren Pariah can make him sac 3 creatures, but he has 3 spiders to spare. Murderous Compulsion can indeed kill Emrakul during Owen's turn if it's madnessed, but if Owen casts EDF pre-combat, Emrakul is not tapped yet and thus can't be targeted with Compulsion. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Compulsion is the ONLY sorcery speed madness removal card in Daniel's colors capable of killing Emrakul. I understand that Owen is under a lot of pressure here, but this line of victory seems a little too obvious for somebody as good as he is :)
+Lao Bushido abolisher of bloodlines's ability reads: when this creature transforms into abolisher of bloodlines, target opponent sacrifices three creatures. So Owen could've sacrificed his ishkanah and spiders instead of emrakul
In game one Owen could've played Gnarlwood Dryad the turn before he drew Chandra. Then next turn he could play Chandra and swing with everything for lethal. Punt.
You can just tell how annoyed Owen is getting with the Cathro chatting the whole time. Nothing wrong with chatting, I think Owen just isn't used to it at this level and he handled it well. He's grown up a ton.
I think the issue is that although LSV top 8 3 times, he didn't make it into worlds last year (which I believe contributed to player of the year; notably first and second was Seth and Owen) and he also only ran/succeeded at the team gp. Basically LSV has 3 top 8s and that is it. Seth and Owen both had 1 top 8 before the event, success at worlds, and multiple gp finishes.
Players like Owen dissuade people from wanting to play competitive magic and are overall unhealthy for the game. At the very least get this guy off camera.
Yukuhiro made the last game way too difficult for himself. Duke had 5/7 and 8/8 blockers, Emrakul is 13 power so Chandra only had to deal 2 damage not 4.
Seriously the camera work needs A LOT of work. Why show Owen shuffling his deck instead of showing the table where stuff happened at the end of the fourth turn g1. Shape up....
I may be alone with this thought, but I feel like Owen is somewhat conceited and just does not seem like someone I would want to be friends with. Glad he did well, congrats on making Magic history, just seems like the way he acts towards certain people and reacts to winning is not what most Magic players respond well to.
Saying that coverage is bad without saying how or why, or proposing better alternatives is simply adding fuel to the fire. Try thinking about what you say before you vomit in the comments.
omg game 1 is sick. when Owen stabilizes at 2 life by flashing back Return i was like "omg" lol Sorry Daniel, you made a good effort but against the master lol.
Anyone else think that Owen Turtenwald is basically a Bond villain?
he's just a disgusting human
matt I see you are a man of culture as well
Considering his views towards women - old school bond himself 😂
Well this aged like wine
@@omgbeardd2651cringe take. Imagine believing e girls over a fellow nerd bro.
Daniel plays at my lgs, awesome dude. Glad he could make it this far on his first PT!
that's awesome. I wish he would of made top 8. he seems like a cool guy.
Really hope to see more of him on coverage. Great attitude, awesome brew, solid play (and still critical about his own play). Pretty everything you want out of a Magic player.
Sparkk Games represent!
He seems like a chill dude, need more of him at pro level getting bored of these soulless pros and their autism.
+neojng I total agree. I respect the skills of the pros but show some personality
Daniel is so friendly its nice when the players chat
Maxthemartian He was a breath of fresh air.
@@thatman8848 While Owen had a superiority complex. So glad that he is no longer part of any community.
so sad for Daniel
4:33 "How do you like this deck Randy, the zombies deck. Do you dig it?"
lol'd. Fucking love those Dad jokes
I love watching the top 8 announcement. Brown's reaction for getting in is what I love to see!
At 27:24, the judge calls Daniel over to the side to talk with him. I wonder what that was about.
I noticed that too and wondered myself...
probably he messed around the order of cards in his opponent's gy (read this from another comment here, and it makes sense! :D )
tbh i thought he was escorting Daniel to the bathroom for a bio-break, its 3 o'clock in the morning don't judge me :( XD
Is it possible it could have been for excessive talking at the table? I watched Daniel beat Steve Rubin on the back tables in Rd 13 or 14 and he was jabbering excessively the whole time. Steve is a super nice guy so he was just sort of rolling with it, but I could tell he was getting annoyed, particularly when Cathro was yapping away during complex decision moments in the game and Steve was one match loss away from being eliminated from top 8 contention.
The commentary drowns out a lot of the chat at the table, and Owen had an enormous amount riding on the outcome of this match, and after nosediving from a 10-0 position was visibly on edge.
For the record, this is just a theory, the judge could've pulled Daniel aside for a completely different reason, but when I saw it happen I instantly thought that it could've been for excessive table chat.
Also for the record, Daniel played extremely well and I'm sure we'll see a lot more of him in the future. He pretty handily beat Rubin in what I thought was a tough matchup, and he's obviously not intimidated by playing at the highest level.
That's not true, in modern and standard that rule is not aplicable, graveyard order has not to be kept.
Cathro vs Turtenwald was probably the most intense match I have seen so far on the PT.
11:00 that look from Daniel of "is... is that ok...? can... can I? one of my favorite moves from the whole event
that game one was so good
this was worthy of a finals, great interactions from these two!
Daniel played incredibly well for a first time PT. That first game was insane.
He is a great guy. He wrecks at every PPTQ he plays in. haha
The top 8 announcement was well organized and executed much better than past PTs. Good job Wizards.
At around the 21:00 minute mark, Owen has the option of flashing in a deep fiend, but in order to do it, would have to sacrifice a creature, leaving exactly three creatures in play while deep fiend is on the stack. He knows Daniel has the pariah, meaning that Daniel could, in response to deep fiend, flash in an pariah by discarding it to haunted dead, sacrifice haunted dead and the two spirits, then make Own sacrifice his board, leaving Own with a deep fiend but no emrakrul and daniel with two abolishers.
Surprised they didn't comment on that, especially considering a similar thing happened on the last turn.
can someone explain me the haunted dead / prized amalgam(s) combo from 2:54 to 4:00 ? thanks
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, if it entered from your graveyard or you cast it from your graveyard, return Prized Amalgam from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped at the beginning of the next end step.
Since he is casting Haunted Dead from the Graveyard by discarding two cards, he is triggering Prized Amalgam.
@41:40 Why did Owen put a basic forest onto the battlefield untapped from Nissa's Pilgrimage?
It was his turn land, wich he played. One to hand one to battlefield ykno?
+Martí Móra Torres AHHHH yes, land for turn. Totally wasn't paying attention. Thanks!
"Can we go!?" - Owen turtenwald. God he hated playing Cathro
At 15:54 Owen could have won the game 1 but did not...
He knows from earlier that Daniel does have Murderous Compulsion... so he must know he can't win with only attacking for the madness trick we just see.
Alternate line: play Gnarlwood Dryad, emerge Elder Deep-Fiend tapping all black mana. Emrakuhl attack and win !
Note: saccing Ishkanah or a token will not work because Daniel could also make Owen sacrifice 3 creatures.
Mention Marshall at 32:51: "He did play brilliantly the first game" ...
He did not know that he has murderous compulsion.
Wow Gaby's response to Ken's excitement be like: ''ye whatever kid...''
can someone explain why you can't flip the volderen pariah at 12:20 in response to the return
You can. But, Elder Deep-Fiend is not yet on the Battlefield when Abolisher would resolve, so Owen has no creatures that Daniel could kill, and Kozilek's Return does 5 damage when flashed from the grave, which is enough to kill an Abolisher of Bloodlines.So short answer: He can, but it would be absolutely meaningless because the outcome would be exactly the same whether he chose to transform or not.
but isn't kozilecks return trigger only when it enters the battlefield?
No, it is when you cast, which is why it doesn't kill the Eldrazi's that Owen is casting to trigger it.
I love watching Liliana and Emrakul battle it out.
34:07 Daniel tap lands for the haunted dead thing, then untap the lands+creaturs, draw, attack and end the turn wtf?
legit, he use hauntet dead in the end step of his opponent
Cathro getting a Slow Play Warning is such utter bias. Owen took just as long if not longer resolving the EOT gier reach loot trigger, earlier in the game with significantly less implications, and got no warning or anything. Utter bias from judges prevalent in the Pro Tour meta
i fuckin love these two decks. This is good magic !
Pretty sure after g1 the judge said something about "7" after Daniel counted a 6 delirium count. Did Daniel count wrong and did that cause the Owen loss? Is that way the judge pulled Daniel off to the side mob-style after the game?
No, there was 6 types if you look through the game you'll be able to see it. It's actually impossible to get a 7 delirium count on the deck plioted by Owen. (Land, Creature, Planeswalker, Sorcery, Instant and enchantment).
Martí Móra Torres he didn't play pilgrim eye?
at 27:15 the judge says something to daniel. does anyone happen to know what he said? all i could make out is the judge said illegal
im not a 100 percent but im guessing because he reranged Owens graveyard he got a warning
(Lvl 1 judge here) As far as I could see before that point, Daniel changed the order of the cards in Owen's graveyard as he was counting land types, which is not allowed.
*permanent types
+Tudor Naconecinii ohhhhh that would make sense. thanks so much!
Owens forest are from arena ?
I know this is a old pro tour but I love the zombie deck
is there a decklist available from daniel?
there will be deck lists available one the top 8 starts
How Cathro discarded that card? At 11:10
Haunted Dead in his graveyard.
Thanks, Mark
this videa is titled incorrectly. Daniel** not Daneiel
Wow what a game 1 of Daniel!
arguably, do you think owen should've played a liliana, killing OG lili, use its -2 to return haunted dead to daniel's hand (negating him bringing dudes back from the yard) then pay 1 to cast salvation for zero?
did owen did a double draw at 32:55?
I watched it a couple times I didn't see anything
Great Job, Owen. !!
Damn, this shit right here... makes me wanna create a standard deck ^_^ Afterall, gotta do something with all those cards I get at the pre-releases.
wow that first game was unreal
Absolutely noobish question but, why do players keep shuffling their hands all the time? Is it a nerveous thing or something for the opponent to be unable to know what cards you have kept or something?
It can help hide the card you just drew, but it's mostly a habit, something for your hands to do while you're thinking.
Jean-Emmanuel Depraz-Viellart Oh I see. Thanks Jean. I always had that doubt
"This is quite the game."
at around 25;25 i dont get how cathro managed to do the loop
Daniel's name in the title is wrong
Why did he play Relentless Dead at ~8:00? That was so unnecessary, he should've just kept the Mana open for Haunted Dead, there was nothing Owen could do at this point except for wiping the board anyways, there wasn't even enough Mana for the Relentless recursion. Also, why didn't he sac his stuff for Pariah in response to Kozilek's Return at ~12:10?
At 12:10 it didn't matter as kozileks return would have killed abolished of bloodlines anyways.
+Liam Mallam He could have killed the Deep Fiend though, right?
+DM S deep fiend was on the stack so wasn't actually on the field yet to be sacrificed as the kozileks return was triggered on the cast not on ETB.
Oh yeah, thanks for clearing that up!
I decided to play around ishkanah. By playing relentless dead ishkanah isnt an out, and he need exactly wretched gryf a land and a three drop for me to get blown out. He had it though.
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When Ken Yukihiro Mindslavered Reid on game 3, he did all that land destruction with World Breaker, but didn't attack Atarka into the Emrakul. That seems like a pretty glaring mistake unless I'm missing something.
kozileks return did 5 dmg to all. would have traded with atarka
+mattatdi Right. I knew I had to be missing something.
yea I think it was just a mistake. He might have been trying to bait the block though so he could kill the world breaker and the atarka instead of just the atarka. I doubt reid would have blocked if all he had was the world breaker.
+mattatdi doesnt emrakul have protection from return? I think he just missed it
Daneiel Cathro?
You get priority after someone discards a madness card because of the "When you discard this card, discard it into exile" clause so Owen could have won game 1 by playing the deep-fiend in response to the madness trigger from the murderous compulsion therefore negating Daneiel's ability to cast he murderous compulsion and forcing him to place it directly into the graveyard
there are a number of factors that could have lead to such a mistake, first of all since Owen is a pro and has a team to test with he probably played mostly in paper because he didn't need to use MTGO to play and without an online magic experience with the set most players wouldn't even know that you even got priority before a player gets to put a madness card on the stack let alone actually use that priority in a game. Also Daniel immediately put murderous compulsion on the stack targeting Emrakul completely skipping the madness trigger. I don't know whether or not it would have been correct for a judge to step in and force the players to acknowledge the trigger but it defiantly would have swinged the game. Although Owen did win the series it is still sad to see such a misplay lose someone the game especially at this high of a level but what do I know, I'm not in the pro tour and I definitely don't want to come off as one of the people who nit pick every little mistake in the comments section but I felt that this one was important considering it lost Owen the game (but luckily not the series) and it couldn't have been that hard to spot considering a lucksack scrub like me could have seen it :)
How would it have helped? Deep-Fiend only taps stuff. Emrakul would still be tapped. Tapping lands would be useless, as you can get the mana in response.
You are totally right, Owen did make a huge mistake here. Alternatively he could have cast EDF at 22:22 before declaring attackers, tapping 4 black lands. Voldaren Pariah can make Owen sac 3, but he has 3 spiders to spare. And Daniel can't respond with Murderous Compulsion, since it can only target TAPPED creatures. Owen did know Daniel's hand since he controlled him a turn before. He also must know all the current sets as a PRO, knowing that there is nothing Daniel could have possibly drawn that could kill an untapped Emrakul during Owen's own turn. And if two peasants as you and me can spot this line of victory, a pro like Owen should have as well. Especially since he is player of the year now as well...
People, you can tap the lands before the guy casts his spell from exile, but he can still get the mana from them in response and use it when he gets priority back. -_-
As for the second point, first there is To the Slaughter that can kill an untapped Emrakul on your opponent's turn ; and Murderous Compulsion wasn't in Cathro's hand yet when Owen controlled him for the first time.
You should make sure you understand everything that's going on before making those sorts of claims...
You are wrong, firstly creeper, Daniel will just add the mana in response so taht argumentation is deeply stupid, pun intended secondly, in 22.22 ony two spiders where alive, so no, it doesn't work.
Blue black zombies looks like so much fun, but ultimately the deck compared to Turtenwalds is much slower and has less ways to power through the library. So many turns Cathro was just playing a creature that didn't impact the board and passing the turn. We got to see what his deck was capable in full force in game 1 but that was because of his amazing draw. Turtenwald's deck on the other hand is able to sift through his library to find what he needs while also making Emrakul cheaper to cast.
When Cathro killed emrakul in game 1 with murderous compulsion, couldn't turtenwald have sacrificed emrakul to play elder deep fiend? Or he could have at least don't that before murderous compulsion to tap cathro's blockers since he knew Cathro had a murderous compulsion?
Yes he could have sacrificed it to the elder deep fiend, but blockers were already declared so it would have changed nothing and Owen would have been forced to use his Kozelik's Return right then. Had he cast the deep fiend and tapped the blockers, Daniel still gets a blocker off the haunted dead and nothing changes. The correct line of play since Owen knew about the murderous compulsion from controlling Daniel turn previously was to cast the deep fiend and tap Daniel's lands. Daniel would not be able to target Emrakul with murderous compulsion since it would not be tapped at the time, thus allowing Owen to attack with lethal.
Does anyone else just shake their head to know WotC can create MTG Duels, looking awesome, but are content with MTGO looking like it was made in 2000. Who exactly is playing MTG Duels? What market is this for where you only get some of the cards?
Don't play online then. Paper is better.
You're right. Why would I want to practice 24/7 to get better? Why would I expect WotC to port the level of graphics in a game no one plays to MTGO...ya know, the game people actually play.
This is not about online vs paper. This is about WotC making the most bone head decisions completely unnecessarily. They release Duels and restrict the cards? Good thinking. Cuz lots of people want to play a with gimped card pool.
The least they could do is license the name to a studio that will create a nice looking product. Hex and Eternal have proven you can make a great looking client on a fraction of MTGO's budget. Please think before you reply.
Duels has all of the cards since its release with Origins. It's a pretty good intro for those on XB1 or iOS.
Yeah, and that's cool for those people. I don't want to take away Duels. I want WotC to put 2 and 2 together and port the great graphics and interface to MTGO.
I boggles my mind they haven't figured out why Hearthstone has passed them in the online arena. Because it looks like a game made in the last 10 years.
And Blizzard was smart and made the game affordable to everyone. No need to go out and spend $8-1000 on a modern deck or $3-500 on a standard one.
Listen, I love Diablo but can't really call myself a blizzard fan. They don't innovate, they simplify then mass market others' ideas. But in this area, they did well. WotC is leaving so much money on the table.
I agree MTGO is unacceptable, but it seems Wizards isn't going to do anything about it.
You do have to spend hundreds of $ if you want to have a top tier Hearthstone deck though since there's no singles market.
Owen came off as a bit of an asshole. He basically ignored everything Daniel said at the end of the matchup and ran off as Daniel was trying to talk to him. Funny how karma came back as he lost his championship match horrendously because he kept a terrible hand! =p
i dont blame him for not being focused on table chatter of a pro tour newb. he got way more important things to think about like player of year.
Maybe consider the effect of making a comment like this on the people who might read it in future?
altron64 So true, dude
Owen was so tilted after g1, I would be too lmao
Totally. But he's a pro. I personally don't care for his win at any cost attitude(see Goyf gate) but he remained professional. See Chris Andersen for the opposite.
But yeah, can you imagine, it's you're HoF weekend and you are 1 game from losing 4 straight win and in games to lose top 8.
I am not surprised he was tilted because he had just lost g1 to some random deck with a rookie protour player pilotting it.
I have to admit I can get tilted also on MTGO when my pro level Grixis Delver deck gets beat by some random mono green stompy thing. It's like you think "pfff, that deck doesnt have articles written about it...it should never beat my tested and tuned deck"
I hate the term "pro"...hes just like every other player who net decks their way to top spot at a card shop. I personally like players like Daniel more, because they don't just build whatever deck is the best at the time, they actually use some effort and build their own brews and learn how to play them well. Its actually pretty awesome that Daniel did that well with a zombie deck in a pro tour. As a zombie player myself...its actually a pretty big deal seeing a deck like this make it so far.
There is literally nothing wrong with net decking. If someone has the intention of doing well, it only seems logical to play the best decks.
can somebody explain why owen doesn't just win if he casts elder deep fiend at 22.26
he was playing safe at 4 creature if he played edf he and say targeted the land dainel would play voldern in responce get rid of emeral crul leaving him only with edf and no flyers or reach
He does win if he casts EDF at 22:22 before declaring attackers and taps 4 black lands! I saw this line right away and was really shocked Owen didn't. There is no way Daniel can own Owen there, Voldaren Pariah can make him sac 3 creatures, but he has 3 spiders to spare. Murderous Compulsion can indeed kill Emrakul during Owen's turn if it's madnessed, but if Owen casts EDF pre-combat, Emrakul is not tapped yet and thus can't be targeted with Compulsion. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Compulsion is the ONLY sorcery speed madness removal card in Daniel's colors capable of killing Emrakul. I understand that Owen is under a lot of pressure here, but this line of victory seems a little too obvious for somebody as good as he is :)
+Lao Bushido abolisher of bloodlines's ability reads: when this creature transforms into abolisher of bloodlines, target opponent sacrifices three creatures. So Owen could've sacrificed his ishkanah and spiders instead of emrakul
+Tyler Danielewicz so I was right haha neat I thought I must gave missed something
+Tomáš Pokorný yeah I saw this too I was supprised as well
I remember when shooting a 3 pointer was as simple to explain as it was to do.
Can't you shake hands with Emrakul?
Sorry I'm stupid.
I don't think Owen is aware of how much arrogance he portrays. In a way, I find that worse than when people do it on purpose.
Well now he is outta MTG and is prolly homeless lol
you see Owens face crack when he smiled.
Gotta love Owen's trusty gymbag :P
Ok9k... dredgeless???
I wanted Owen and Daniel to win because Owen is my number 1 player. Daniel tho is really chill
why didn't owen just use the spider to win after attacks g1
Because the activated ability requires Black mana, something which Owen's deck cannot produce.
didnt realize wretched gryff had indestructible ? shouldnt kozileks return kill it at 8:30 ? fricken owen bending magic rules
#eachcreature
It triggers on casting not coming into play.
so the effect happens before the gryff is technically on the field?
Yes. I mean, before accusing someone of bending the rules, you might want to learn them. :p
lol your'e right im still trying to learn all the technicalities, i also just really dont like owen lol
In game one Owen could've played Gnarlwood Dryad the turn before he drew Chandra. Then next turn he could play Chandra and swing with everything for lethal. Punt.
You can just tell how annoyed Owen is getting with the Cathro chatting the whole time. Nothing wrong with chatting, I think Owen just isn't used to it at this level and he handled it well. He's grown up a ton.
Yeah grown a ton but still likes girls his young age
They did not shuffle their hand or look at their enemy's graveyard enough times, so no djinn appeared to grand them a free win.
LSV just went back to back to back pro tour top 8's.....and he's not even in the player of the year discussion?!
I think the issue is that although LSV top 8 3 times, he didn't make it into worlds last year (which I believe contributed to player of the year; notably first and second was Seth and Owen) and he also only ran/succeeded at the team gp. Basically LSV has 3 top 8s and that is it. Seth and Owen both had 1 top 8 before the event, success at worlds, and multiple gp finishes.
We need graveyard hate for standard :p
i love that zombies deck
Huh, never realized Dark Salvation says 'target player'
I'm not sure how else they could word it, but the wording on the card is very confusing.
Turtlewald always acts like a classic jerk.
It's funny that many people thought like that, even before the harrassment thing came out.
Nvm names are back FailFish
Standard used to be so interesting!
OMG GO DANIEL!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHH
Players like Owen dissuade people from wanting to play competitive magic and are overall unhealthy for the game. At the very least get this guy off camera.
thats zombies deck is insane! Pass the turn while you emrakul can attack i have no blockers and only 2 mana up. I still survive the turn
Yukuhiro made the last game way too difficult for himself. Duke had 5/7 and 8/8 blockers, Emrakul is 13 power so Chandra only had to deal 2 damage not 4.
I believe he needed delirium for traverse
Seriously the camera work needs A LOT of work. Why show Owen shuffling his deck instead of showing the table where stuff happened at the end of the fourth turn g1. Shape up....
I may be alone with this thought, but I feel like Owen is somewhat conceited and just does not seem like someone I would want to be friends with. Glad he did well, congrats on making Magic history, just seems like the way he acts towards certain people and reacts to winning is not what most Magic players respond well to.
The video quality was bad compared to the other pro tours. Just saying this to improve it ;)
how?
Wait, how?
+Jaycee Hampton idk how it's quality is bad
It was exactly the same :l
Saying that coverage is bad without saying how or why, or proposing better alternatives is simply adding fuel to the fire. Try thinking about what you say before you vomit in the comments.
They spelt Daniel wrong lmao
The funny thing is that he goes by danny.
Ken Yukihiro -- Could it be any more virgin ???
wait when owen kozi returned from graveyard the second time why didnt daniel transform the voldaren pariah
Dicks out for Danny :'(
omg game 1 is sick. when Owen stabilizes at 2 life by flashing back Return i was like "omg" lol Sorry Daniel, you made a good effort but against the master lol.