Ares Mission to Mars: Voyage (remastered) - Orbiter Space Flight Simulator
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An Orbiter addon based on the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter. "Voyage" is an alternative-history narrative in which the US President Richard Nixon makes a fateful decision in 1972 - to abandon the Shuttle program and concentrate all efforts on a manned landing on Mars.
On March 21 1986, astronauts Phil Stone (commander), Natalie York (specialist) and Ralph Gershon (MEM pilot) launch on the Saturn VB - a Saturn upgraded with the addition of solid-rocket boosters which allows it to loft double the mass of the original Saturn V. After a Venus swingby on September 8, they complete a 368 day outward voyage to finally land on Mars on March 28, 1986.
MISSION ARES OPERATIONS
1: LAUNCH
March 21, 1985. The Ares Mission Stack is launched on a Saturn VB.
2: ORBIT
The Mission Stack makes rendezvous with the Propulsion Stack and the two dock.
3: VENUS TRANSFER
The whole stack will begin the Venus transfer, but before the end of the burn, with two-thirds of fuel expended, the External Tanks will be jettisoned.
4: TRANSIT RECONFIGURATION
With the stack on the way to Venus, the Apollo CSM - christened "Discovery" by the Ares crew - is broken out and docked nose-first to the AAMM - christened "Endeavour".
5: VENUS FLYBY
september 8, 1985. The stack flies by Venus to receive a slingshot assist. The crew deploy an atmospheric probe to investigate the Venusian atmosphere.
6: MARS TRANSFER
Any necessary corrections are made before settling in for the six-month remaining voyage.
7. MARS ORBIT INJECTION
March 25, 1986. The stack brakes into the Martian orbit.
8. MARS ORBIT RECONFIGURATION
With the Apollo undocked, the AAMM is detached and turned around to dock nose-first with the stack. This frees the MEM, which is released from its fairings and docked to the AAMM.
9. MARS DESCENT AND LANDING
The crew occupy the MEM and descend for a landing at Mangala Valles. The MEM christened "Challenger" by the Ares crew.
10. MARS SURFACE OPS
For a month, the crew explore Mars in a series of EVAs. There is a three-day preparatory period to allow the crew to adjust to Mars gravity after a year in weightlessness.
11. ASCENT AND RENDEZVOUS
April 26, 1986. The MEM ascent stage lifts off from Mars and docks with the Ares stack in Mars orbit.
12. UNLOADING AND RECONFIGURATION
The crew unload the MEM and then jettison it. The stack is reassembled without the MEM.
13. EARTH RETURN TRANSFER
The stack begins the burn for Earth transfer, jettisoning the MS-II propulsion module to continue with the ERS stage. A 196-day return journey follows.
14. EARTH ORBIT INSERTION
November 6, 1986. The stack, now reduced to Apollo, AAMM and ERS, brakes into Earth orbit.
15. RE-ENTRY AND RECOVERY
The Apollo-CSM module detaches, deorbits and re-enters for a splashdown in the Pacific Ocean. The crew is recovered.
Music: Montage #5 (Hans Zimmer - Modern Warfare 2 Videogame Score)
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As much as I loved the Shuttle and how big a part of my childhood it was, this is what we should had built.
Very accurate, according to data from Orbiter Simulator.
In the novel, it has taken nine saturn VB launches to put the Ares complex in to orbit.
Although this is a great film, I found a few mistakes that could be fixed should another remaster of this film be released:
1. The description fails to mention the main point of divergence (P.O.D.) in the novel, which happens in 1963, when Jacqueline Kennedy, JFK's wife, is killed instead and JFK incapacitated.
2. The assembly of the propulsion stack (which consisted of 1 launch for the Mars and Earth transfer stages, 2 fuel tank launches and 6 fuel tanker launches using modified Saturn VB rockets) is not shown in the video.
3: The Ares vehicle was fitted with 4 solar panels (2 on the propulsion stack and 2 on the crew quarters) which were deployed after the external tank separation and CSM transposition.
4. The MAV had several fuel tanks attached to it which were jettisoned during ascent.
5. The MAV was landed nose-down on Phobos before being sent back to the Ares MTV and jettisoned.
6. The Ares MTV made a flyby of Deimos before heading back to Earth.
where did you get this info from?
I just finished reading the book and 4-6 aren't described. Where is that info coming from?
This video made me know about the book. It took me some time but I finally just finished it. Nice book, extremly detailled for those fond of astronautics and politics. There's just not enough about of the effects of space radiations and the lack of exercices, points largely researched after the 80s/90s. The context of the rush to Mars explains this in the book.
Glad to see the way back in the video as it was not mentionned in the book.
This entire video sent shivers up my spine. I LOVED it! Thank you all so much for your work on this project, and for posting it for us all to enjoy!
Yep, you're right... I saw the Venus transfer and thought it was an attempted landing on Venus. Comment redacted.
This should be in the series for all mankind
The silver-white large cylinder (Apollo-Ares Mission Module - AAMM) is a module of 6 meters in diameter with room and storage space. Or you thought that astronauts lived only in the CSM?
Actually this ship is huge for 3 crew, with living space almost 1/3 of the ISS
I still remember the old version of your Orbiter Voyage movie. I liked the music in that one a bit better, but I lvoe how you remade everything in detail (down to the launch sequence and everything). :-)
Ну просто супер, забываешь все земные проблемы!
Глобальный вояж
They're the same mythological being Mars and Ares and i think that was a cool touch
That was kind of incredible. And I thought the music was PERFECT. Awesome job. Awesome Sim.
Good work, pal. And good book too, thanks to Stephen Baxter.
I'm going to leave a long comment so bear with me.
First off, thank you for producing and posting this video. I hope Stephen Baxter has seen this video because it is THE BEST graphic simulation of one of his best novels. You literally bought his book to life. I only hope at some point that Baxter revisits this story and focuses his attention on what happens after the landing and goes into greater detail on the flight out and back plus the public reaction to the mission.
That's a lot of time to spend in space. What would a trip to Mars require in terms of crew needs?
Nice, well thought out plan. Some complicated maneuvers. I really think if we could pull off something like this financially it would only be one mission. I think that a reusable tug to ferry the crafts from Earth to Mars would be a much more viable way for continued missions to Mars. I like the Mars lander concept though.
I finished Voyage only a week or so ago. Fantastic novel.
in this video the upgraded F-1 engines that would have been used as the core of the rocket (F-1A) had an exhaust that was almost transparent when compared to the SRB's however they would have been quite brilliant in their luminosity
Terrific video! Very inspiring for what could have been. And a little sad for what wasnt, and apparently never will be.
I remember watching this 2 years ago without much interest. It is so much more interesting to watch now that I know exactly what is happening.
Thanks for making this video. I read the novel, and enjoyed it, and it was great to see the animation which helps bring the aspects of the Mars Mission to life.
The only complaint I had with the novel was that there were parts of the novel I felt that Stephen Baxter plagiarized events from the Apollo missions. I won't say which ones because I don't want to post spoilers.
Yes, I spotted them too! Perhaps a sideways tribute from Baxter to Apollo?
There were problems with editing too, some characters were on their first flight more than once!
But yes an enjoyable novel, even if I did think losing 3 Apollo's, the Hubble, all post 1971 space probes, including the Voyagers, apart from Mars ones (but no Vikings either), was way too high a price to pay for a few weeks on Mars with equipment little better than an Apollo J mission.
In fairness, Baxter alludes to this dilemma in the novel.
Loved your video as usual! But according to the book there are some solar panels missing.
Amos del Mundo he probably would edit the ship but he probably didn't know how to?
This is an awesome concept. Problem is it would cost upwards of trillions of dollars, for governments at least, to do it. And they may want a larger habitat unit than that if they're gonna be in it for a year total. Really neat video though!
Fantastic video. The SVb with 4 SRBs seems like thrust/weight overkill to me. What is the acceleration on that thing?
What is up with the solid IUS on the Crewed launch payload stack? Also, why were there 5 pads? Even 3 probably would have been able to do that mission...
It has SRB to launch the payload. There were more launches going on to assemble the Ares in orbit
i think this is still the best plan so far I have seen. The Constellation Project is to complicated with too many launches and requiring delivery of equipment before the Astronauts. This method uses current technology to get the job done. Very do able.
Firstly, very nice animation. Congrats. I recall reading the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter some years ago and enjoying it. The BBC did a 4 part radio adaption which I have in the archives somewhere. It's sad that after Apollo the manned program got stuck in little more then going up and down to orbit. I remember the launch of the first shuttle, and now they're all retired. It really is time to get back to the moon and then on to the mars. Or maybe just go straight to Mars.
Thank you! What a wonderful video. I've often imagined how this would look after reading Baxter's Voyage...
Amazing video now i have to download this and give it a go
@Historianization I was talking strictly technically. Are there any benefits in terms of fuel consumption, by receiving a gravity assist from Venus? I repeated this flight in Orbiter and got very small bonus in terms of fuel from Venus gravity assist. The voyage was very long, so I had to take a lot of oxygen with me. A shorter voyage (direct to Mars) would be better for the crew and easier, because I was able to take more fuel instead of tons of oxygen.
I am using this in my enrichment cluster for my first grade students to simulate a trip to Mars.
That gravity assist reduces fuel 20-25%
There were studies and plans to uprate the Saturn V in all directions. Including higher thrust F1A and J-2S engines, stretched stages, a first stage that jettisoned the outer 4 engines at 30% fuel, huge strap-on SRBs, nuclear thermal upper stages, fourth stages, etc.
I do something: Skip reentry. It means reentry, slowing down, "skip" into space and reentry to fall at a slower rate (see Skip reentry in wikipedia) In Orbiter sim, I did 6 G and 4 G
Awesome both video and music !! Really enjoyed ! THX
would someone have stayed in Mars orbit during the 3-week-excursion to the surface ?
no
Or just a saturn V rocket with some little adjustments and four boosters
thanks you for this quality content
man on Mars in 1985 ? Cute (:
This is the best space fight simulator ever !
A saturn V with space shuttle SRBs? what variant is that? *rocketry intensifies*
+Ted Blackburn www.astronautix.com/lvs/satv25sb.htm
It's acctually a saturn V b rocket
they were originally built for it
0:18 basicly a saturn v on steroids.
Would it be possible to make a mission based off the novel "Titan" (from the same author) in Orbiter?
+Ian Brandon Anderson "Titan" will appear on my channel next year ;)
Oh, ok, that's great! It's pretty complex, so I guess that's why it would take so ling :-p
+winged Where is it bud?
Remastered version of this or Apollo 13!
Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker Fan #1
Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker Fan #1 btw someone did do that! Or just buy apallo 13 with tom hanks. So you don't have to use the "music" because of this guy >©< it is epic soundtrack!
They wouldn't spend a year inside the Apollo capsule. Check out the docking maneuver at 2:41. They're linking up to a habitat module roughly the size of Skylab. The astronauts would only be in the Apollo capsule proper during launch, re-entry, and some of the complicated orbital linkup maneuvers in Martian orbit.
Mmmm, you read the description of the video?
yes
I agree! Space exploration actually gives peace towards mankind!
WOW! wat a mission! awesome rocket-system! I would say: Lets goooo!!!!!! thnx for saring!
Orbiter is not intended as eye candy. And if you want more high quality textures, go watch Tex's Orbiter machinimas.
I do not understand the question. The spacecraft approaches the planet Venus to purchase alli speed and reach Mars (It requires less energy to go to Venus).
Especially after reading The Martian, It dawned on me the true insanity of getting to Mars this way. An equivalent of 20 Saturn V launches?!?!?! If you've seen the thing in person like me, it's unimaginable for anything to require 10 beefed up versions (the Saturn VB had an equivalent lifting capacity of about 1.8 Saturn V's) of it. The thing is absolutely massive, the S-IC alone is about 4 lanes wide.
How would they launch the propulsion stack? Would they have to use fuel on it when it is sent to orbit?
10x Saturn VB launches - each one - 200t to LEO.
Actually, if you were to do an outside estimate for a Moonbase, subsidizing launch costs for LEO space-based manufacturing, and manned missions to Mars, it would costs at most $300 billion over 10 years. Consider that we spend at least $700 billion PER YEAR on defense and trillions on Social Security and Medicare alone, and you'll see that $30 billion per year is actually VERY cheap.
i dint think of that. that makes this a whole new ball game
@masoaviator
in the book several manned and unmanned Saturn V launches were required to loft the components up, assemble, and fuel
Liked Plus 10!!
Awesome dude.
@Bloodgod40 I think that Baxter wrote in the novel that NASA had developed lightweight freeze-dried food that was very,very compact so that they could store a lot of food in a small space aboard the wet workshop.
And besides, even without that, there's still plenty of room for food. Food isn't a worry- all mission plans take that into account.
@deathrooster14
Saturn V-4X(U).
Boeing study, 1968. Four core vehicles from Saturn V-25(S) study lashed together to obtain million-pound payload using existing hardware. First stage consisted of 4 Saturn IC's stretched 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines; second stage 4 Saturn II standard length stages with 5 J-2 engines.The F-1s were to be uprated to 2 mill lb thrust per. Total, 40 mill lb thrust.Over 1 million pound payloads! (I need a cigarette!) Whew!
The habitat is the AAMM (the large silver cylinder). The Apollo capsule would be used only on few occasions
Excellent music!
When it comes to spaceflight, no task is more important than another. Getting satellites into orbit is just as important as setting foot on the moon. Repairing the Hubble Space Telescope is just as important as repairing a part of the ISS. Going to Mars is just as important as... you get the idea.
We could have made it to mars in the 80s. And despite the crippling cost for the time it would be paid back several times over by now.
Breaks your heart to see how far we have fallen.
You know, that lander could be called ''Atlantis''. ''Challenger'' was also name of Lunar Module used in Apollo 17 flight.
But its nice film. Thanks a lot.
Very nice, I enjoyed reading the novel when it appeared, even with some dodgy editing and a few too many exact parallels to Apollo incidents.
It could have been done too, though in the novel, what is cut to fund it is just too much, (3 Apollos, no Vikings, no outer planets Grand Tour, no Hubble, no Mariner Venus/Mercury), for a 30 day surface stay on Mars with only Apollo style Rovers for transport.
Plus the effects of having to work on Mars after a year in ZeroG
Still a thought provoking book.
I love it, and I love the book! But also, just a tip: I believe the video would have been better if you used the song "Mars" from "The Planets Suite"> It would have made the launch seem a lot more impressive (Not that it is not impressive as it is).
+Diabetic Atheist I had already used in another video, the Orion mission to Mars. The video of Voyage I did later, because he had another channel that was closed in 2009.
One of the fees things I can agree with a atheist
fees?
Well they did use the last stage of the Ares stack to brake into a high earth Orbit.
Given the that the service module engine hadn't really been used to that point, it should then be sufficient to decelerate to re-entry
this is amazing.
It's funny, this video reminds me somewhat of the 1978 film "Capricorn One", in which the titular spacecraft has a very similar configuration. In the film, the mission was cancelled due to problems with the environmental systems, but the US government would not tolerate this, so they blackmailed NASA (which they own) into faking the mission. And once the spacecraft's orbit decayed and it burned up in the atmosphere, things went from bad to worse...
This is just epic.
amazing. A very good work.
That MEM gave a new definition to "flying saucer."
Viper77Wolverine, the real axe wielder was Nixon. Three Apollos axed, the second Skylab, any thought of anything not in LEO. The Shuttle only survived with Pentagon pressure and Nixon made sure his home State got to build the Orbiter, even though it was a Grumman design from the East Coast - the part of America he so hated. Apollo after all was associated with another obsessive hatred of his, the Kennedy's.
For all that, he wasn't anti space per se, he liked the heroic aspect of it.
After the mid 60's, one off funding peak for Apollo, there was always going to be a comedown. Plus, lest we forget, within weeks of Apollo 11 the majority of the US public lost interest and soon began to resent their tax $ being spent on Nasa.
It's true Carter's VP Mondale was very anti NASA, however Carter would not let Mondale split NASA up, with much of it going to the Department of Transportation.
To ensure that manned flight would whither away.
Really, the only proven pro space POTUS was Johnson, Kennedy did not live to either see Apollo happen or perhaps in a second term cancel or scale it down, we'll never know.
LBJ nurtured Apollo but feared that after him, 'we'll all just piss it away'.
+Steve Serba Except there's not enough short-term return for it to be viable for much of Wall Street and the private sector. Estimates of a manned Mars mission range from $40 to $55 billion. Not that many firms have the free money to even think about that, and their investors wouldn't like it because the returns aren't fast enough. Better to have the NewSpace companies invest in asteroid mining instead and have NASA go to Mars.
SSCFPA No one cares about humanity any more. Most politicians and CEOs could care less. We need more Kennedys and Elon Musks
A lot of politicians and CEOs do, it's just they don't have the voting base or money in invest in space. Kennedy's dream only got done because he was assassinated. The reason Musk can do more stuff is because he has lots of his own money, while most CEOs have at most a few hundred million and politicians have to deal with demands for bigger stuff.
And the pentagon pressure to keep the shuttle completely changed the design and crippled it for nasa and scientific use
Not is a rocket Ares. Ares is the name of the mission in the book "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter (1996). Is a Saturn V without SIVB stage, and propelled by boosters SRB
Is Capt. Price on board...? ;)
:)
he is going to fight general Shepard on the moon
Sam Dykstra
i mean mars this is a mars rocket
Treetop64 what about soap and ghost
I recently downloaded orbiter 2010, and I needed Microsoft Visual C++ run time libraries for one of the components to run it, because it seems not to be in my system. It said "You can install them now, or you can install them manually later by running the 'Install\vcredist_x86.exe' utility." 2 questions:
1) How do we do that?
2) If downloading is needed where do we download it, what is needed to download it and how do we run the software to make orbiter work?
(Where did you get this addon?)
@rseferino1 What torrent downloading software did you use (e.g. BitTorrent, uTorrent)? How did you download torrents with it?
Actually, the capsule needs enough power to lower it's approach distance into the upper atmosphere just enough to slow down and get a highly elliptical orbit around Earth. On the second pass it would go for reentry. If they just went right for reentry at interplanetary speeds (11-15 kilometers per second at perigee), the capsule would melt and evaporate due to the extreme friction.
Note, those speeds assume the return trip used the most fuel efficient Hohmann Transfer possible.
Do any of you know how to create textures and repaints for the space shuttle? I also need help to edit and create a new space shuttle of my own. I need help creating an add-on as well. Do any of you know a good software to create textures? (If we need a software for creating textures)
@rseferino1
Please, tell me how did you import the launchpad from AMSO?
Does the mod work for orbiter 2010, because it says don't use it in the dl site
Yes, it's often simplier to draw on computer than to think properly. Mars ascent stage most probably will be (if any) landed on martian surface in advance in robotic mode and mostly fueuled on site.
NERVA tugs could put payloads interplanetary for 2 months. Since 70ies. Tug itself takes to LEO just one Sea Dragon rocket. By 6 V-5 launches it's possible to assemble on LEO even chemically propelled space ship. Round trip could be just for 6 moths. There is simply almost no reason (see Part 2).
I think he was referring to the retrorockets on the Mars descent capsule. Since it was only moving at a speed necessary for Mars orbit, not interplanetary approach, would the same maneuver be required to deorbit? With the weaker gravity well and relatively thin atmosphere, I assumed only a small retrorocket burn was necessary for a safe deorbit.
There is a need to use ion engines where possible. They provide economical transport, but take time. They could be used for shipping at least the lander, and also fuel + supplies for the return leg of the mission to a Mars parking orbit before the arrival of the crewed ship. It would shave off many, many tons of launch mass.
great vid, i expect this game is tediously difficult
if only !! :)
Being 1986 it would have been nice if on re-entry into Earths orbit their would have been a docking with the Space Shuttle that could have been waiting in low orbit for their return & bring them back in style
Could have had a larger Martian Ascent Vehicle & brought back more samples by returning in the Shuttle
This would have been awesome to follow & I can only hope I will see this in the future for real
Regardless to cost as a mission like this to any with a vision is "Priceless"
Wow!
You should do one for Stephen Baxter's 'Titan'.
It would be so awesome if the reentry capsule landed directly on top of the aircraft carrier.
fantasious and fantastic
In the book, they weren't doing the Venus flyby for sightseeing or science purposes (although they did run what tests they could), but for the gravitational slingshot.
In this case the ship is designed to fly like a "flying saucer." Furthermore, the ship weighed dozens of tons (I do not remember how many) so the parachute would have a huge area.
@Dorisequador We faced the exact same problems going to the Moon, and it was something never done before using means and technology never tried, but we did and overcame them.
We were prepared for an interplanetary mission like this since the 70s, but we never went because the people and politicians lost interest and NASA never got the support it needed to do so.
@TheScienceguy1998 My account in Orbiter-Forum in "rseferino". the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter, is "Jacqueline B. Kennedy Space Center".
Downloading now
Lol, I like how the SM's SPS engine didn't fire at all, they just came back to earth and ditched it on reentry... Although I might presume it being a backup thruster?
@Fragem420 Because the ISS - our most massive spacecraft, weighs 420 metric tons. By comparison - at departure, Orion weighs 4,000 metric tons. Current treaties also prohibit nuclear weapons being detonated in space. There are much more promising propulsion concepts which are being tested now - VASMIR is a good example. Sure - it's not going to be capable of interstellar missions, but it can take you to Mars in only a month, and is ridiculously efficient.
@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER Wow. That's crazy. Did they use the same CSM from the Apollo missions?
@rseferino1 What Software did you use to record this? Is it free?
Hey what are the addons you used? I think I saw Earth Texture Level 10, Another Sun Texture v2. Anything else?
I had assumed they were for a re-entry burn at the apogee of the highly elliptical orbit. that way you wouldn't have to have the TEI stage reentering and possibly having bits crash down somewhere.
Are any of you add-on developers? It is because I need help on creating textures and repaints for the space shuttle. Do we need a special software to do it?