Perhaps I can add some clarification as I actually looked into this with the DVLA last year and medical professionals. I am a HGV Driver and was diagnosed last year with Aspergers. DVLA states that you need only notify them "if your condition has an effect on your ability to drive". That is official DVLA advice. As I am 46 and drive HGV's I personally feel that being an Aspie is a great advantage. I notice more, concentrate better and I am the only Driver in the company to be accident free for 5 years.
i agree , im more careful , focus more , only problem is the speed (and anxiety) , i 'm impatient and i hate being behind someone (my job is also driver deliverer) , i got one accident only and alone because i was new and black ice + too much speed / not much experience in driving
It almost feels like discrimination. I agree with you, if you pass your test then you shouldn't have to worry about it. It's almost like they're looking for an excuse to say okay this person has autism, they got into an accident so it's got to automatically be their fault. That's the road it feels like the UK is going down...this makes me nervous... I just found out that it is possible my son will not be accepted into the Military or the police force if the government is aware he is autistic... this is scary and I have gone to both disciplines asking questions with No straight answer. I'm just letting you know I may be jumping the ball on this because there's another seven years before Liam can apply but at the same time I don't want to wait until he applies and then gets refused when he has spent his entire childhood working towards one particular goal of being an investigator. I guess what my point is it's these little hidden between the lines things like what's happening in the UK with your driver's license that pave the way for the really long tough fights... autism is a vast Spectrum. They can't paint us with the same brush because we are all so different. The standard must be the standard for everyone else. If you pass all the assessments then you should be treated as anybody else.
It is against the law in this country to discriminate against disabled people in the work place etc. Autism is classed as a disability and to refuse to employ someone because of their disability is illegal. this includes learning disability, aspergers and autism.
@@richardpearson58 just because there is a law against discrimination, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a law in Canada and it happens every day. There are laws against rape and murder, against abuse of most any kind, but that does not stop everyone or our prisons would be empty.
Years late but the DVLA backtracked on that decision. It's clearly illegal to treat a autistic person differently to a non-autistic person if both have passed the same driving test and have been officially given a licence. Autism is a condition that doesn't get worse over time and those who suffer badly from sensory problems are picked up on the driving test. Even if the DVLA didn't backtrack, an autistic would have still been within their right not to disclose they have the disorder and even if their licence was taken off them for simply having autism, they would still be allowed to drive without their licence. The law is the law and a licence taken off someone because of discrimination is legally moot.
I’m a 27 year old female with Aspergers I was diagnosed as a child and I have my license I didn’t start driving at the permit age / license age though I defiantly wouldn’t of been ready I was taught later on - But if anything driving is amazing it takes away the feeling of being so insulated & dependent on others .
This is bollocks. I have been driving for 33 years. I was diagnosed about ten years ago so I was driving for 23 years undiagnosed. My ASD does not affect my driving. I have never had an accident that was my fault.
I'm 51 and been driving since I was 17. I successfully passed my driving test and like you have never had an accident. I was only diagnosed last year and ASD has never impacted my ability to drive. SMH!
This has been on their website for years. It only says if your ASD affects your driving you need to inform them. I talked to my GP about this a year ago, she told me my driving isn’t affected so I’m fine.
The Aspie World No worries! 😀 If anyone is in any doubt they should have a chat with their GP. That way they have a medical opinion to support them if anything ever does happen.
Mark Young Quite correct. I'm a HGV Driver and I looked into it with the DVLA and medical professionals. Official guidelines state that you need only notify the DVLA if your condition has an effect on your ability to drive. You only have to look at the number of drivers wearing spectacles and wonder how many of them have notified the DVLA that they are wearing them
That's nuts. My 16 year old son has ASD (an Aspie) is in driver training and has been the easiest to train to drive of the four teens I have taught. He also has anxiety and seeing something like that on a government website would have worried him as well. Thank you for making folks aware.
To be honest, I've known about it since last year; I found it out on the same website when I was thinking applying again after I was seizure free - but, I had another fit so I was unable to do that. I haven't said anything because I didn't want to panic too much but it's interesting to see how it's now addressed since I looked at it last year. And it is silly of the DLVA; it's pathetic of them and I'm sure that something will be done and there's no excuse to ignore the community like that.
Thank you Dan, you are absolute gold- thanks so much for mentioning this- I am still battling all the stupid changes the government has been making lately on the theory test and wasn’t aware of just how much we could get fined for not mentioning our autism
Came here after you mentioning this in live chat. Didn't realise this was uploaded. . Thankyou for putting a video out bringing awareness to this issue. I am very concerned that this will deter adults or parents of children from seeking diagnosis. It could affect insurance and what category you can drive. The paperwork doesn't even specifically have a section on autism. No consultation took place for these changes. This needs to be fought all the way. Blatant discrimination.
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This has crossed my mind a few times. Especially while renewing car insurance when they ask do you have any medical conditions that effect your driving obviously no. I have been driving for 12 year's but was diagnosed 2 years ago with ASD (Asperger's) and touch wood I have been fine on the roads over them years. Only thing I would point out is I can't deal with chatty passenger seat drivers or distractions I put my focus on the road and that's where it needs to be.
I have autism and I absolutely hate driving. I am rather uncoordinated but I am still high functioning. When I was learning my step dad( who taught me) got really startled a few times and it consequently freaked me out. Now whenever I’m driving alone I don’t trust my abilities, and am scared shitless. 4 years later I have to drive myself to work every day and it terrifies me. I find myself shaking In high traffic situations and I still can’t park properly. No matter how much I practice I get my skills aren’t getting better. Is there a trick to overcoming this fear? Or am I forever cursed with this terrifying burden.
I think they've just copy and pasted in bold in new spot on the website and irresponsibly. It's the same rules as always. It's not targeted at asd but ANY condition that may effect your driving. If asd or what ever condition, doesn't effect your driving, there's no need. I think it would only matter if you were to have an accident and then decide to blame a condition while grasping at straws (if you hadn't advised them before hand). It's just covering yourself (and themselves lol). Love the videos x
Hi Dan, I live in Northern Ireland and we have the DVLA in Northern Ireland rules are slightly different spoke to them today and they told me that they recommend making an appointment with local Drs to discuss the issue further. Hope this helps other NI followers
Driving is the most challenging thing ever!!! After 3 times at driving school I'm not near to drive well, also I need narcolepsy drugs to be awake most of the time while I drive :"D
The form M1 for aspergers doesn't even have any questions relating to the condition. I passed my test in an automatic car so I can only drive automatic cars which the dvla does know about. At the time I kind of guessed it was related to aspergers but I wasn't diagnosed until two years after passing my test. So I don't feel I have to declare anything to them.
I’m autistic diagnosed with high functioning autism and adhd want to learn but feel that these may stop me and have heard that they can stop you from getting a licence
Hey guys you know what's funny I have had my My driving Licence Revoked From today and you mentioning it if only affects your driving which it never has And it never says in black and white on the Application form basically it all started because i have applied for LGV Licence and now my GP out of no where has said Yes i think he is unfit to drive According to the DVLA Adviser on the phone and But my GP said to me i think you won't have no problems getting your LGV Licence Then 4 or 5 days later I'm Revoked They don't care it's a money scam and i think it's a government persecution On the DVLA Behalf I'm Going to have to wait and see what my GP say's do you any of guys know how long it could take to get it back let me know please Thanks
They’ve changed the guidance back to ‘... if it affects your ability to drive’ within the last couple of hours - good thing, this was going to stop me from seeking a diagnosis
I am disgusted. Discrimination, ignorance and very very condescending. Shocked. I guess learning to drive is not an option for me then. Gobsmacked. I am so annoyed about this and Autism is not a mental health condition either. The person who thought about this obviously has no idea what ASDs are and just read very rare stories in the media.
If someone on the spectrum is unable to drive, I am sure their parents or caregivers wouldn’t allow them to even try? Also, as you say, an instructor would not pass the person to get their license if they felt the person wasn’t able. I think it is absolutely RIDICULOUS to have such a fine for this! So crazy!
I'm going through the same process I pass my class 2 driving test and sent my application form to the DVLA but due to COVID-19 they're taking a while to get back to me I just hope I don't get discriminated due to my (ASD) cos I know I can drive.
Hey Dan, I passed my test prior to getting a diagnosis in 2013 I've not driven since then because of personal issues this would definitely put me off driving.
I would ignore it, on the grounds that ASD doesn't affect your driving ability. So there is no reason for you to report it. If they try to fine anybody for not reporting that they are autistic, appropriate legal action should be taken against the DVLA, to stop it. It sounds like somebody at the DVLA doesn't understand ASD.
Hey dan, did you notice it affected your insurance? I got quoted £6000. The law says they can only do so if they have physical evidence it affects your driving.
This is pretty standard stuff, we are in Australia so obviously it doesn't apply to us. But we have the same rules of if you have any conditions which can affect your driving you have to disclose it. I have type 1 diabetes so I have to disclose that and follow specific rules surrounding the disease to be certain it doesn't cause an accident. It never has but there hsss been times my doctor has put a hold on my license until issues have been sorted and then it's a simple fax of a doctor's letter and I'm back driving 👍
Last week I tried something new. I live in a country where the traffic is at the right side of the road (the Netherlands), in the UK it's at the left side. But that week I was in the UK, and tried driving there. But I took some measures, although I have a driver's license: - first I took 2 hours of driving lessons in a autimatic gear car (my own car is a manual gear car); - then I rented a car for 4 days and drove 600 miles in total. It is a Toyota C-HR, a medium size car with automatic gear. I didn't tend to go to the right side of the road for one second, because everything I see reminds me, that I am in the UK, not in the Netherlands. It was awesome, and I got used to it faster than I expected. I think it's not a good idea to take my own car to the UK and drive there, because the steering wheel is at the left in my car, while the cars in the UK have their steering wheels at the right.
The DVLA are like most people unfortunately inclined to negatively discriminate against people who they see as "damaged goods" whilst disregarding their own flaws. I would be inclined not to mention it because they will refuse to see the positives and there are positives. I have been driving a car and riding a motorcycle for many years now. My daughter passed her car driving test on the first attempt last week so all those hours taking her driving round the test routes and parking practice have paid off
I always found driving challenging. It's only recently I've started to see I have many autistic traits. Maybe that's why I found driving challenging? I should say I'm not diagnosed with autism and I dont drive these days either.
I got my license before I got diagnosed. It doesn't really affect my driving at all. I've been told I'm a very safe driver and will stick to the rules. I think it's just other drivers who are cocky and think getting somewhere faster is more important than driving safely and respecting other drivers on the road. I get tailgated a lot and even hooted despite doing everything correct and moving at the maximum speed limit. I was once driving a little under 10mph in a car park as that was the maximum because other drivers will be trying to get out, pedestrians walking, kids etc. And had a cocky taxi driver hooting at me for no reason. He overtook me really quickly and nearly ran someone over. I never forget when this was shared on Facebook and a few ignorant people commented that anyone with autism or mental condition shouldn't be on the road at all. Maybe cockiness and ignorance should be put on instead as it clearly affects their ability to drive. They are a danger to everyone.
I’m 17 and just started my lessons, I wonder if this will affect me as I am doing my theory test in April and then my practice test a month or so after
I have Aspergers and so thanks for making me aware of this as I will keep up to date on it now and maybe save £1000 of fines if it is enforced as I get anxious while driving so it may well affect me
Imagine having a gift that often times makes one prefer museums over nightclubs.. yet makes you more of a risk to other road users because you didn't spend your time getting hammered?
So when ppl ask if you should get a diagnosis when you young... YES... so you wont get fined for not mentioning it. Some agencies feel mild autism isn't significant enough to get a diagnosis, or treatment (like my local mental health department wont treat me because I'm not severe enough), the DVLA had once said otherwise. This maybe the first time I feel I am better off not living in the UK.
I thought that things like ASD and ADHD were always present in childhood. Therefore, by the time you take a test you will have had the condition for several years. If you were safe when you took your driving test, you should be safe afterwards. Perhaps if your diagnosis is followed by medication (eg. Stimulants, Melatonin), you might need to ask the doctor if you are safe to drive with the medication, and perhaps the DVLA want to check that your medication doesn't cause any driving issues. That's the only reason I can think of why they might need to know.
Can you do a video talking about the necessity, if one at all, of diagnosing ADHD and/or OCD in people with ASD as these are common traits within ASD itself?
Are DVLA notating either the physical license or the driver control file accessed via the police national computer to advise police that the driver may have communication issues? In the US, there are covert or overt codes on DLs to advise police and in most of these states the driver control file notes the same.
I was diagnosed the end of last year and one of the first things I asked was if I have to declare it to the DVLA because I’d seen this on the website and the lady who did my assessment said that I didn’t have to unless I thought it actually affects my driving which it doesn’t. I’m overly cautious trying to workout what every other driver is about to or could do but that’s a good thing right?
Makes me live on edge so much much more upsets and hurts me 2 my core i live in fear and worry Anxiety depressed 2 the point i rarely leave the house i honestly think the world is getting 2 much 4 ME it took me 10years 2 pass test i see it as my biggest achievment
Well i dont think it effects my driveing / rideing and i will continue thank you guys we makeing world of understanding 3years no claims i must be a gud rider 😊
OK, looks like I was wrong. They did plan to make it mandatory to inform the DVLA about having a wide range of conditions (ASD and ADHD and others). Throughout today it looks like they made the change, and have since rolled back on it (based on screenshots taken by myself and others in some of the Facebook groups of the DVLA guidance pages for the different conditions). Bit confused and concerning.
It doesn’t affect my driving, I’ve been driving for 35 years, about 30 before I was told by a counselor that I had this, and I’ve literally never had a ticket, I’ve had a couple of accidents, but I was not at fault, but literally my daughter barely had driven when she went to driving school, and they said, she drove really good from the first day, she drove on the interstate the very first day out with them and they said, she drove like she’d been driving for years, and she is just 16, and of course I should mention that she has been diagnosed with Aspergers, she is currently taking several science classes and next year will be taking IB classes and starting her internship to possibly become a vet, she has recently said, that she’d consider being a Dr. for humans, but that’s a consideration for now, but the three careers she’s considering are chemical Engineering, Pathology, or Veterinarian, but everything seems to come easy for her except social interaction, she’s seen as rude and her bluntness is considered abusive to some, we are working on that together.
It appears it doesn't have anything to do with Autistic spectrum disorders directly, but potential secondary effects. i.e. Alcohol/drug dependence, effects from medications and somewhat bizarrely "fits" and "blackouts".
I have autism myself & I'm hoping to drive in 2023 & Hopefully I will find someone to help me with the tests & I did a theory test when I was 19 & I think I might of done well after a few times
If you have diabetes on insulin, then the reason why you inform the dvla is the risk of hypoglycaemia. You must ensure you are safe to drive. Great get that. So what on earth is the rational for ASD and how do they access whether you are fit to drive if you have already passed a test? Clueless. I’m glad the NAS have got onto this, it can result in discrimination.
@@richardvalvona1159 Wow, there was that much backlash that they changed it that quickly? Fair play to them I guess on changing it. Thanks for letting me know dude! :D
@@ActuallyLinden That's alright. If I hadn't said anything to you and you didn't read the newest comments, you may still be thinking that you're forced to disclose it to the DVLA.
Kinda related thing here but feel like some advice could help me. I'm 20, autistic, and have never been behind the wheel of a car. I probably have slight coordination issues and the thought of being in charge of a large moving thing like a car scares me as sometimes I don't feel in charge of my own body. Driving isn't the hugest need for me but it feels like i make it out yo be a bigger issue than it should be. Has anyone else had similar experience's to this?
I have a friend in a similar situation. He has tried and failed to get his license twice because of his coordination issues. I also know a woman that doesn't take the highway because she needs to pull over frequently due to processing and sensory issues. Autism is a wide spectrum. I would still say we should try driving if we want to. Just be mindful of your own abilities and open to the experience.
I'm 41 and diagnosed aspergers when I was 25... I've never been behind a wheel to drive, and that was a choice I made at age 16 because I am easily distracted (before the "squirrel" saying, we'd say "ooo butterfly" as a joke to why I dont drive). I've had times I had a meltdown because someone insists I should drive (they were a stranger). Some people do make it out to be a bigger deal than it has to be. While it can sometimes be a struggle for me to depend on other people for traveling, even had fights with some of these friends over who is being selfish and what nots, still stand by my choice to not drive. There's Uber in some places now so getting around is made easier (I dont take public transport because it gives me panic attacks). I'm glad I dont have to worry so much about driving or abiding by laws, or filling out paperwork, or passing tests, or the cost of gas or refilling gas or paying for the car, renting a parking space, calling tow trucks, and the insurance etc etc! So much stuff that I dont have to think about being a non-driver. It's not mandatory for me to drive since I have access to other means of travel. I believe it is up to each induvidual to decide if that individual wants to drive or not, and not up to society's peer pressure that wants you to drive. If you dont feel safe driving a several ton bullet, that is up to you. I hope this helps.
@@Green_Roc it's a spectrum with a huge range of abilities. Some aspies are fantastic driving a car or riding a bike. Guy Martin is a fantastic and well respected motorcycle racer and also has autism. Some aspies are not so good and no amount of practicing will help then but it should be noted, it's surprising what aspies can do whereas before they assumed it was impossible.
Kim T Most if not all US states have regulations that you must report any medical condition that might affect your driving ability. It's usually a question on the driver's license application. If you answer yes, you are automatically disqualified, and your license will be suspended. So most people with medical conditions like that, just answer no, and continue driving, until they have an accident or a cop sees them driving erratically.
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Perhaps I can add some clarification as I actually looked into this with the DVLA last year and medical professionals.
I am a HGV Driver and was diagnosed last year with Aspergers.
DVLA states that you need only notify them "if your condition has an effect on your ability to drive". That is official DVLA advice.
As I am 46 and drive HGV's I personally feel that being an Aspie is a great advantage. I notice more, concentrate better and I am the only Driver in the company to be accident free for 5 years.
i agree , im more careful , focus more , only problem is the speed (and anxiety) , i 'm impatient and i hate being behind someone (my job is also driver deliverer) , i got one accident only and alone because i was new and black ice + too much speed / not much experience in driving
Speak up for your job and join a trade union.
It almost feels like discrimination. I agree with you, if you pass your test then you shouldn't have to worry about it. It's almost like they're looking for an excuse to say okay this person has autism, they got into an accident so it's got to automatically be their fault. That's the road it feels like the UK is going down...this makes me nervous... I just found out that it is possible my son will not be accepted into the Military or the police force if the government is aware he is autistic... this is scary and I have gone to both disciplines asking questions with No straight answer. I'm just letting you know I may be jumping the ball on this because there's another seven years before Liam can apply but at the same time I don't want to wait until he applies and then gets refused when he has spent his entire childhood working towards one particular goal of being an investigator. I guess what my point is it's these little hidden between the lines things like what's happening in the UK with your driver's license that pave the way for the really long tough fights... autism is a vast Spectrum. They can't paint us with the same brush because we are all so different. The standard must be the standard for everyone else. If you pass all the assessments then you should be treated as anybody else.
For sure!!
It is against the law in this country to discriminate against disabled people in the work place etc. Autism is classed as a disability and to refuse to employ someone because of their disability is illegal. this includes learning disability, aspergers and autism.
@@richardpearson58 just because there is a law against discrimination, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a law in Canada and it happens every day. There are laws against rape and murder, against abuse of most any kind, but that does not stop everyone or our prisons would be empty.
Years late but the DVLA backtracked on that decision. It's clearly illegal to treat a autistic person differently to a non-autistic person if both have passed the same driving test and have been officially given a licence. Autism is a condition that doesn't get worse over time and those who suffer badly from sensory problems are picked up on the driving test.
Even if the DVLA didn't backtrack, an autistic would have still been within their right not to disclose they have the disorder and even if their licence was taken off them for simply having autism, they would still be allowed to drive without their licence.
The law is the law and a licence taken off someone because of discrimination is legally moot.
I’m a 27 year old female with Aspergers I was diagnosed as a child and I have my license I didn’t start driving at the permit age / license age though I defiantly wouldn’t of been ready I was taught later on - But if anything driving is amazing it takes away the feeling of being so insulated & dependent on others .
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This is bollocks. I have been driving for 33 years. I was diagnosed about ten years ago so I was driving for 23 years undiagnosed. My ASD does not affect my driving. I have never had an accident that was my fault.
Yup
I'm 51 and been driving since I was 17. I successfully passed my driving test and like you have never had an accident. I was only diagnosed last year and ASD has never impacted my ability to drive. SMH!
They have updated the website. It now says "
You must tell DVLA if your autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) affects your ability to drive safely."
Yes just updated it today after my video went live.
My autism affects my driving in a positive way. I love following rules and it's one of the few things I can concentrate on really well.
Having a cold can affect your driving if you sneeze. I'll inform the DVLA every time I get a cold.
True!!
dont talk utter shite
This has been on their website for years.
It only says if your ASD affects your driving you need to inform them. I talked to my GP about this a year ago, she told me my driving isn’t affected so I’m fine.
Thanks for the input Mark!
The Aspie World No worries! 😀
If anyone is in any doubt they should have a chat with their GP. That way they have a medical opinion to support them if anything ever does happen.
Mark Young Quite correct. I'm a HGV Driver and I looked into it with the DVLA and medical professionals.
Official guidelines state that you need only notify the DVLA if your condition has an effect on your ability to drive. You only have to look at the number of drivers wearing spectacles and wonder how many of them have notified the DVLA that they are wearing them
That's nuts. My 16 year old son has ASD (an Aspie) is in driver training and has been the easiest to train to drive of the four teens I have taught. He also has anxiety and seeing something like that on a government website would have worried him as well. Thank you for making folks aware.
Hi I love your videos and I have autism spectrum disorder and your videos are vary helpful and they help me a lot.
Thank you!!
To be honest, I've known about it since last year; I found it out on the same website when I was thinking applying again after I was seizure free - but, I had another fit so I was unable to do that. I haven't said anything because I didn't want to panic too much but it's interesting to see how it's now addressed since I looked at it last year. And it is silly of the DLVA; it's pathetic of them and I'm sure that something will be done and there's no excuse to ignore the community like that.
Yes indeed it isn’t a new thing. But they never told anyone about it.
Thank you Dan, you are absolute gold- thanks so much for mentioning this- I am still battling all the stupid changes the government has been making lately on the theory test and wasn’t aware of just how much we could get fined for not mentioning our autism
You are welcome!! Thank you so much for the comment!
Came here after you mentioning this in live chat.
Didn't realise this was uploaded. .
Thankyou for putting a video out bringing awareness to this issue.
I am very concerned that this will deter adults or parents of children from seeking diagnosis.
It could affect insurance and what category you can drive.
The paperwork doesn't even specifically have a section on autism.
No consultation took place for these changes.
This needs to be fought all the way. Blatant discrimination.
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That is insane! How does that make sense in any way?
it's crazy uh!?
Crazy 😜 discrimination.
This has crossed my mind a few times. Especially while renewing car insurance when they ask do you have any medical conditions that effect your driving obviously no.
I have been driving for 12 year's but was diagnosed 2 years ago with ASD (Asperger's) and touch wood I have been fine on the roads over them years. Only thing I would point out is I can't deal with chatty passenger seat drivers or distractions I put my focus on the road and that's where it needs to be.
✌🏼yup.
I have autism and I absolutely hate driving. I am rather uncoordinated but I am still high functioning. When I was learning my step dad( who taught me) got really startled a few times and it consequently freaked me out. Now whenever I’m driving alone I don’t trust my abilities, and am scared shitless. 4 years later I have to drive myself to work every day and it terrifies me. I find myself shaking In high traffic situations and I still can’t park properly. No matter how much I practice I get my skills aren’t getting better. Is there a trick to overcoming this fear? Or am I forever cursed with this terrifying burden.
practice, practice and practice, one day you will find yor skills improved!
Best if you don't have him or anyone who gaslights you like that in the car
Look at the number of drivers wearing spectacles and ask yourself how many of them have notified the DVLA that they are wearing them
If they pass the eye test without them, they don’t have to have that restriction on their drivers license.
Thanks Dan VERY important news...💐🐝✌️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you!!
I think they've just copy and pasted in bold in new spot on the website and irresponsibly.
It's the same rules as always. It's not targeted at asd but ANY condition that may effect your driving.
If asd or what ever condition, doesn't effect your driving, there's no need.
I think it would only matter if you were to have an accident and then decide to blame a condition while grasping at straws (if you hadn't advised them before hand).
It's just covering yourself (and themselves lol).
Love the videos x
Ah!!!
Hi Dan, I live in Northern Ireland and we have the DVLA in Northern Ireland rules are slightly different spoke to them today and they told me that they recommend making an appointment with local Drs to discuss the issue further. Hope this helps other NI followers
✌🏼 thanks it has been over turned now :).
Driving is the most challenging thing ever!!! After 3 times at driving school I'm not near to drive well, also I need narcolepsy drugs to be awake most of the time while I drive :"D
Definitely interested in hearing your findings. Please take this issue seriously until the actors are identified
Thank you.
I wonder who proposed this terrible discriminatory idea
The form M1 for aspergers doesn't even have any questions relating to the condition. I passed my test in an automatic car so I can only drive automatic cars which the dvla does know about. At the time I kind of guessed it was related to aspergers but I wasn't diagnosed until two years after passing my test. So I don't feel I have to declare anything to them.
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I’m autistic diagnosed with high functioning autism and adhd want to learn but feel that these may stop me and have heard that they can stop you from getting a licence
✌🏼Thank you so much for the comment!
There was a petition and it was changed again last night and you only have to report it if it affects your driving now
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Hey guys you know what's funny I have had my My driving Licence Revoked From today and you mentioning it if only affects your driving which it never has And it never says in black and white on the Application form basically it all started because i have applied for LGV Licence and now my GP out of no where has said Yes i think he is unfit to drive According to the DVLA Adviser on the phone and But my GP said to me i think you won't have no problems getting your LGV Licence Then 4 or 5 days later I'm Revoked They don't care it's a money scam and i think it's a government persecution On the DVLA Behalf I'm Going to have to wait and see what my GP say's do you any of guys know how long it could take to get it back let me know please
Thanks
They’ve changed the guidance back to ‘... if it affects your ability to drive’ within the last couple of hours - good thing, this was going to stop me from seeking a diagnosis
I just saw!!
I am disgusted. Discrimination, ignorance and very very condescending. Shocked. I guess learning to drive is not an option for me then. Gobsmacked. I am so annoyed about this and Autism is not a mental health condition either. The person who thought about this obviously has no idea what ASDs are and just read very rare stories in the media.
It’s crazy!!
Governments love to regulate things they know nothing about.
If someone on the spectrum is unable to drive, I am sure their parents or caregivers wouldn’t allow them to even try? Also, as you say, an instructor would not pass the person to get their license if they felt the person wasn’t able. I think it is absolutely RIDICULOUS to have such a fine for this! So crazy!
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I still found that the consequences of not disclosing medical conditions to DVLA are fined $1000 because it is a bit of an issue.
I'm going through the same process I pass my class 2 driving test and sent my application form to the DVLA but due to COVID-19 they're taking a while to get back to me I just hope I don't get discriminated due to my (ASD) cos I know I can drive.
Hey Dan, I passed my test prior to getting a diagnosis in 2013 I've not driven since then because of personal issues this would definitely put me off driving.
yes indeed.
This is setting auties up to be blamed for literally every accident!
Hmm
I think it is similar to glasses. If you need glasses to drive then you need to report it, but nor if you wear glasses in general.
Yeah, perhaps. Thank you so much for the comment!
I would ignore it, on the grounds that ASD doesn't affect your driving ability. So there is no reason for you to report it. If they try to fine anybody for not reporting that they are autistic, appropriate legal action should be taken against the DVLA, to stop it. It sounds like somebody at the DVLA doesn't understand ASD.
Yes that’s what I was saying in the middle. Thank you so much for the comment!
Hey dan, did you notice it affected your insurance? I got quoted £6000.
The law says they can only do so if they have physical evidence it affects your driving.
Wow!! No i have not.
This is pretty standard stuff, we are in Australia so obviously it doesn't apply to us. But we have the same rules of if you have any conditions which can affect your driving you have to disclose it. I have type 1 diabetes so I have to disclose that and follow specific rules surrounding the disease to be certain it doesn't cause an accident. It never has but there hsss been times my doctor has put a hold on my license until issues have been sorted and then it's a simple fax of a doctor's letter and I'm back driving 👍
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Last week I tried something new. I live in a country where the traffic is at the right side of the road (the Netherlands), in the UK it's at the left side. But that week I was in the UK, and tried driving there. But I took some measures, although I have a driver's license:
- first I took 2 hours of driving lessons in a autimatic gear car (my own car is a manual gear car);
- then I rented a car for 4 days and drove 600 miles in total. It is a Toyota C-HR, a medium size car with automatic gear.
I didn't tend to go to the right side of the road for one second, because everything I see reminds me, that I am in the UK, not in the Netherlands. It was awesome, and I got used to it faster than I expected.
I think it's not a good idea to take my own car to the UK and drive there, because the steering wheel is at the left in my car, while the cars in the UK have their steering wheels at the right.
It's tough, my instructor asked if I'm ND today. I think I'm a safe driver, though my driving can do with brushing up
The DVLA are like most people unfortunately inclined to negatively discriminate against people who they see as "damaged goods" whilst disregarding their own flaws. I would be inclined not to mention it because they will refuse to see the positives and there are positives. I have been driving a car and riding a motorcycle for many years now. My daughter passed her car driving test on the first attempt last week so all those hours taking her driving round the test routes and parking practice have paid off
I always found driving challenging. It's only recently I've started to see I have many autistic traits. Maybe that's why I found driving challenging?
I should say I'm not diagnosed with autism and I dont drive these days either.
I got my license before I got diagnosed. It doesn't really affect my driving at all. I've been told I'm a very safe driver and will stick to the rules.
I think it's just other drivers who are cocky and think getting somewhere faster is more important than driving safely and respecting other drivers on the road.
I get tailgated a lot and even hooted despite doing everything correct and moving at the maximum speed limit. I was once driving a little under 10mph in a car park as that was the maximum because other drivers will be trying to get out, pedestrians walking, kids etc. And had a cocky taxi driver hooting at me for no reason. He overtook me really quickly and nearly ran someone over.
I never forget when this was shared on Facebook and a few ignorant people commented that anyone with autism or mental condition shouldn't be on the road at all.
Maybe cockiness and ignorance should be put on instead as it clearly affects their ability to drive. They are a danger to everyone.
I’m 17 and just started my lessons, I wonder if this will affect me as I am doing my theory test in April and then my practice test a month or so after
I have Aspergers and so thanks for making me aware of this as I will keep up to date on it now and maybe save £1000 of fines if it is enforced as I get anxious while driving so it may well affect me
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Imagine having a gift that often times makes one prefer museums over nightclubs.. yet makes you more of a risk to other road users because you didn't spend your time getting hammered?
I have autism and ADHD and global impairment and I need to know ways how to calm myself down
So when ppl ask if you should get a diagnosis when you young... YES... so you wont get fined for not mentioning it.
Some agencies feel mild autism isn't significant enough to get a diagnosis, or treatment (like my local mental health department wont treat me because I'm not severe enough), the DVLA had once said otherwise. This maybe the first time I feel I am better off not living in the UK.
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My husband is a horribly awful driver as an aspie. He imsgines folks are racing him. It triggers him. Its terrifying!!!!!!
I thought that things like ASD and ADHD were always present in childhood. Therefore, by the time you take a test you will have had the condition for several years. If you were safe when you took your driving test, you should be safe afterwards.
Perhaps if your diagnosis is followed by medication (eg. Stimulants, Melatonin), you might need to ask the doctor if you are safe to drive with the medication, and perhaps the DVLA want to check that your medication doesn't cause any driving issues. That's the only reason I can think of why they might need to know.
Can you do a video talking about the necessity, if one at all, of diagnosing ADHD and/or OCD in people with ASD as these are common traits within ASD itself?
Are DVLA notating either the physical license or the driver control file accessed via the police national computer to advise police that the driver may have communication issues?
In the US, there are covert or overt codes on DLs to advise police and in most of these states the driver control file notes the same.
Yes!!
I was diagnosed the end of last year and one of the first things I asked was if I have to declare it to the DVLA because I’d seen this on the website and the lady who did my assessment said that I didn’t have to unless I thought it actually affects my driving which it doesn’t. I’m overly cautious trying to workout what every other driver is about to or could do but that’s a good thing right?
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The D.V.L.A should face the human rights courts. We can drive farm machinery to.
Makes me live on edge so much much more upsets and hurts me 2 my core i live in fear and worry Anxiety depressed 2 the point i rarely leave the house i honestly think the world is getting 2 much 4 ME it took me 10years 2 pass test i see it as my biggest achievment
Your biggest achievement can continue. The website's been changed again today and they've reinstated "if it affects your driving."
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Well i dont think it effects my driveing / rideing and i will continue thank you guys we makeing world of understanding 3years no claims i must be a gud rider 😊
OK, looks like I was wrong. They did plan to make it mandatory to inform the DVLA about having a wide range of conditions (ASD and ADHD and others).
Throughout today it looks like they made the change, and have since rolled back on it (based on screenshots taken by myself and others in some of the Facebook groups of the DVLA guidance pages for the different conditions).
Bit confused and concerning.
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Mark Young don’t wake a sleeping dog.
It doesn’t affect my driving, I’ve been driving for 35 years, about 30 before I was told by a counselor that I had this, and I’ve literally never had a ticket, I’ve had a couple of accidents, but I was not at fault, but literally my daughter barely had driven when she went to driving school, and they said, she drove really good from the first day, she drove on the interstate the very first day out with them and they said, she drove like she’d been driving for years, and she is just 16, and of course I should mention that she has been diagnosed with Aspergers, she is currently taking several science classes and next year will be taking IB classes and starting her internship to possibly become a vet, she has recently said, that she’d consider being a Dr. for humans, but that’s a consideration for now, but the three careers she’s considering are chemical Engineering, Pathology, or Veterinarian, but everything seems to come easy for her except social interaction, she’s seen as rude and her bluntness is considered abusive to some, we are working on that together.
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I'm glad I found a video on this because it's kinda confusing why being born as an Autistic person would affect me.
Thank you for this info 😊💜✌🏼
It appears it doesn't have anything to do with Autistic spectrum disorders directly, but potential secondary effects. i.e. Alcohol/drug dependence, effects from medications and somewhat bizarrely "fits" and "blackouts".
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Sounds like big brother is a bit prejudice
Yup!!
DVLA changed it back today
Ah!!!
1. What happened that the Drivers Bureau could make this change...big question. The answer may give you a who
love you dan
Thanks!!
I have autism myself & I'm hoping to drive in 2023 & Hopefully I will find someone to help me with the tests & I did a theory test when I was 19 & I think I might of done well after a few times
Is it still affected for those are already passed the driving test? If so, then that is a problem for you, Daniel.
I've had over 100 hours failed 4 driving tests so far whatever I do I can't seem to pass I'm Autistic pupil with complexed needs
Blatant ignorance- exactly why i keep my aspberger's secret. I don't tell a soul
I only just started coming out about it on certain youtube comments, but VERY rarely. And even more rarely on reddit and i tend to make a throwaway
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I am autistic motor car driver please do not punish us.
What about the dnv in the United States
I live in the USA. I am wondering how many people you have comment on your channel that just found out less than 1 week ago that they have aspie. 😐
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If you have diabetes on insulin, then the reason why you inform the dvla is the risk of hypoglycaemia. You must ensure you are safe to drive. Great get that.
So what on earth is the rational for ASD and how do they access whether you are fit to drive if you have already passed a test?
Clueless. I’m glad the NAS have got onto this, it can result in discrimination.
The website's been changed again today. You no longer need to notify the DVLA if your driving's not affected.
Thank you so much for the comment!
@@TheAspieWorld That's alright mate.
Great, now I can't even drive. Thanks for ruining my life, Government. This country's beyond repair.
Your life's not ruined anymore. They have updated the website again and reinstated "affects your ability to drive safely."
@@richardvalvona1159 Wow, there was that much backlash that they changed it that quickly? Fair play to them I guess on changing it. Thanks for letting me know dude! :D
@@ActuallyLinden That's alright. If I hadn't said anything to you and you didn't read the newest comments, you may still be thinking that you're forced to disclose it to the DVLA.
I’m very relieved I don’t have to to be honest mate, I’m 17 at the end of this year so there’s not long to go until I finally get to drive!
Yup
Kinda related thing here but feel like some advice could help me. I'm 20, autistic, and have never been behind the wheel of a car. I probably have slight coordination issues and the thought of being in charge of a large moving thing like a car scares me as sometimes I don't feel in charge of my own body. Driving isn't the hugest need for me but it feels like i make it out yo be a bigger issue than it should be. Has anyone else had similar experience's to this?
I have a friend in a similar situation. He has tried and failed to get his license twice because of his coordination issues. I also know a woman that doesn't take the highway because she needs to pull over frequently due to processing and sensory issues. Autism is a wide spectrum. I would still say we should try driving if we want to. Just be mindful of your own abilities and open to the experience.
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I'm 41 and diagnosed aspergers when I was 25... I've never been behind a wheel to drive, and that was a choice I made at age 16 because I am easily distracted (before the "squirrel" saying, we'd say "ooo butterfly" as a joke to why I dont drive).
I've had times I had a meltdown because someone insists I should drive (they were a stranger). Some people do make it out to be a bigger deal than it has to be.
While it can sometimes be a struggle for me to depend on other people for traveling, even had fights with some of these friends over who is being selfish and what nots, still stand by my choice to not drive. There's Uber in some places now so getting around is made easier (I dont take public transport because it gives me panic attacks).
I'm glad I dont have to worry so much about driving or abiding by laws, or filling out paperwork, or passing tests, or the cost of gas or refilling gas or paying for the car, renting a parking space, calling tow trucks, and the insurance etc etc! So much stuff that I dont have to think about being a non-driver. It's not mandatory for me to drive since I have access to other means of travel.
I believe it is up to each induvidual to decide if that individual wants to drive or not, and not up to society's peer pressure that wants you to drive. If you dont feel safe driving a several ton bullet, that is up to you.
I hope this helps.
@@Green_Roc it's a spectrum with a huge range of abilities. Some aspies are fantastic driving a car or riding a bike. Guy Martin is a fantastic and well respected motorcycle racer and also has autism.
Some aspies are not so good and no amount of practicing will help then but it should be noted, it's surprising what aspies can do whereas before they assumed it was impossible.
I have been so stressed recently
I pass my motor bike test, my car test and HGV class one. So this is rubish.
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Thanks for sharing Dan very informative. I hope this mess is sorted out soon. That’s not right for the DVLA to do such a thing.
Right!?
Support H.G.V drivers with autism.
Speak up for drivers with autism.
Do you know if the US is like this?
No not sure.
Kim T Most if not all US states have regulations that you must report any medical condition that might affect your driving ability. It's usually a question on the driver's license application. If you answer yes, you are automatically disqualified, and your license will be suspended. So most people with medical conditions like that, just answer no, and continue driving, until they have an accident or a cop sees them driving erratically.
That's the government for you.
Yeah
Man thats my oppinion if you dont like it you should not delete it , you asked for this and now your deleting my messages?
The whole world should use Canada's government system, they're doing some right.
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@@TheAspieWorld You complain about the live spammers, but you do that 🤔😂
Hmm that's crazy
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🤬🤬🤬 that's all I can say.
Yeah
It is mad
Yup!!