This is the best basic video on how to set up mission control. Seems like folks are trying to figure out the difference between "Support" and "Peak" power. My read is that "Peak" is the assist you receive while pedaling rapidly, say above 70rpm, and "Support" is the assist you receive while pedaling slower. I proved this to myself with trial and error riding tests so I'm pretty sure (not 100%) this is correct or at least that how it works for me.
Sounds like you are confusing what Support is. Support is the multiplier on the pedaling that you put into it. Peak Power is the max amount of current flowing from the battery to the system. So, if you are a very strong peddler, but want as much range of power the bike will give you, set the Support to low and keep the peak power high. You will have to pedal harder to use the full range of power coming from the battery. Keeping the turbo setting at 100/100 makes sense, because that gives you the max multiplier for your pedaling power, and the max output from the battery. If you like numbers: A setting of 50/50 on a 4x motor (like the Levo) means if your body outputs 50W of power by pedaling, you will get 50% of 4x, which would add about 100 watts to your pedaling. But your power ceiling is going to be 50% of about 560 watts: 280watts. After that, any increase in power output will be all from your legs. So in this case, if your pedaling is generating 140 watts, you'll get and additional 280watts. After that, you get no multiplier. So If you pedal at 200 watts, you're still only getting 280 watts in assist, because your peak power ceiling is at half. So three interesting levels would be: a power saver mode (something close to 35/35), a "wide" trail mode: Support 60: Peak 100, and leave Turbo the same: 100/100. That gives you a powerful middle mode, where if you pedal harder, you can still get all the battery/motor can give, you just have to work harder.
Hi you’re the best person we’ve seen in explaining the different modes on this app although still to get our heads around it! Can you do a video explaining the other 2 modes, acceleration and shuttle please?
Had my Turbo Levo SL Comp one week and as a newbie to emtb riding I am trying to get my head around these settings. I love the bike but sometimes when I go down from trail to eco it feels too harsh. as if the brakes have been applied so I will play with these settings and tomorrow when I go off for an early ride see how things change. This all makes sense now so well done and thanks from a Brit living in France.
I've had my Specialized bike for 2 weeks and was wishing I hadn't changed it from my last one, the autonomie of the battery seems really bad, only getting about 55km on a full charge. Now you have explained how to change the settings for the ride, its much better. Thanks for the clear precise explanation😀
WOW great video , i was kind of stumped to what settings to use this has given me so much information to move forward with . BIG thank you for your time
I've had my Turbo Levo Expert for about 6 months and put almost 500 miles on it. I haven't touched the power settings and I'm just now trying to understand how they affect the motor, so that I can customize it. I started to do it when I first got the bike, but I didn't really even understand how I would ride the bike. Now that I have a good understanding I want to customize these settings. Out of the 500 miles I have on the bike about 5 miles are in eco mode, 400 miles in trail mode and 95 miles in Turbo mode. I only use turbo for long climbs, or if I just want to do a quick spin on my local trails at full speed for fun. I love the power and wish it had more. I think the more power the better. I don't really care about exercise, that's not why I ride. I ride for fun, and I just want to have fun. I can get exercise at the gym. I'm going to adjust it so that eco mode is what I ride in 50% of the time, then trail mode will be when I want to ride fast but don't care about battery about 30% of time, and Turbo will be used 20% of the time for climbs. I think I'm going to set eco-mode at just under trail mode is now to extend my range. Right ow the way I ride I can get about 25 miles on a full charge. I would like to get a little more out of it for those long summer days where I want to ride all day.
Thank you so much! I tried your suggested motor settings today on my Vado 4.0. Fantastic, fit better to my needs than the Standard Setup. BTW: Great Video! Thanks.
One thing to remember, take care of your motor, Watch the temp, don't do 100% support and stomp hard from a dead stop, and if you are running turbo for a while, check the temp and take a break and let the motor rest. I think the motor will last longer this way, just like a car that you don't drive around all lead footed alsts longer
Great vido. I suspect that some of the settings are based on skill and fitness levels as well. I would love to see more conversation around certain situations as they related to settings. I suspect that super technical rocky sections require a lot of power but also some pedal feel so understanding how acceleration might impact that would be helpful.
Support is expressed as a percentage (20%, 50%, etc). My question is: percentage of what? Of the total motor power, limited by the peak power? Or of the rider power applied to pedals? No vídeo I have seen so far makes that clear. Appreciate any light on this.
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what is the difference between making using microtuning to versus changing the support and peak power using the app like you have suggested? I am really confused because for microtuning its only changing one number for the modes and using the app you can adjust support and peak power seperately like you show in the video. I guess I am missing something.
Thanks for the video. 🚲 I stopped using the Specialized Mission Control App because I don't like the data which is shown while riding. Now I use BLEvo with my Specialized Levo 2019. In principal the settings you used the Specialized Mission Control App can be used with BLevo too. I'll check what the settings I use are.
Just watched this. How do I set cadence? Brand new bike and went for a ride yesterday and the bike has me pedaling very fast. Can I slow that down? Would that be the cadence?
I have the Creo SL. In the Tune screen, what is the Stealth Mode and how does it function? 2nd question: What is the Fake Channel and how does that work/what’s its function? Another question: “Display Always Active”: which display is that? Auto Start Active: Does that mean it will record my ride as soon as I start pedaling? I have the device linked to my Strava on my phone, which is a great feature.
Stealth mode just turns off the lights on the display on the bike. Fake channel is I believe a way to hook up a heart rate monitor, though I have never used it. I am not sure about the display always active thing. Haven't used that. Hope that helps!
Stealth mode will keep the lights on your TCU on for a few seconds after changing modes or turning the TCU on. It's there so that others don't notice the lights and/or you don't get distracted by them. Fake Channel will allow you to output the percentage of battery remaining by broadcasting the information to your head unit (i.e., a Garmin Edge, etc.) under the category you decide. So, if you choose "Cadence" then the cadence feature will show battery percentage remaining instead of your cadence. The same for the Power choice.
Shuttle basically just gives the bike full power all the time. Instead of a percentage of power the harder you push, it will give 100% power all the time
I just got a Tero Turbo X 5.0. It's a trail, light duty mountain and commuter. I would imagine settings would be different if I am on a trail rather than when i am on pavement. Anyone have any thoughts?
Hello I bough my turbo levo and watching your videos I just want to know for what is the (Auto star active) (Display always active) Thank you very much
Hallo, Kann die Mission Control App auch die Daten Herzfrequenz einer Garmin S62 empfangen.Stimmt es das man dann mit seiner Herzfrequenz das Rad steuert wie eine Automatik❓❓❓ Danke in voraus schon einmal
The information that is ultimately of use to me is the answer to the question "What % of the overall ride energy / average power is coming from my legs vs. the motor". In my case, I have seen on my Mission Control App, after the ride, an Average Support Level (ASL) reading as high as 80%. So using 80% ASL for a 10 mile bike ride as the example, which of these 3 interpretations is the "Real" meaning of this: 1) 80% ASL means 80% of my effort (and my effort by definition is always 100%). So total power to the bike = 1.8X of my effort. So my contribution to total power = 1/1.8 = 56%. So my 10 mi E-Bike ride is equivalent to a 5.6 mile non E-Bike ride. 2) 80% ASL means that of the overall ride power/energy, 80% came from the motor and 20% came from me. So my 10 mile E-bike ride is equivalent to a 2 mile non E-Bike ride. 3) 80% ASL means that 80% of the motor max power. 80% of 240W = 192W. This is nice to know but tells me nothing about what % of the ride energy/power I contributed, so is kind of a worthless number to me. If someone who knows can post which of 1, 2 or 3 is correct, or if there's an even different interpretation, I would be most grateful to know. Thank you !
Lee W: None of the choices you listed. 80% assistance means that the motor added 80% of your average watts for that ride. So, if you averaged 100 watts, the motor averaged another 80 watts assistance.
when I used mission control my bike kept going automatically to turbo - i want to make the changes manually - when I called specialized they said there was some place to set the way the bike starts up - do you know where that is? thank you
Hi Marshall, thanks for your video. I’m hoping you can help me out. For some reason, just recently, I’m unable to independently, set my PEAK POWER, in each different mode. Example ; If I set my peak power in Eco mode to 75%, then move to trail mode , or turbo mode and attempt set them to 80%, It automatically sets them all to the same percentage. I can’t set the Peak power to different %’s in each mode...it defaults to all the same? 🤔 It didn’t always do this. I used to be able to set the Peak power at 3 different percentages( for each mode) , but can’t anymore😔 Do you have any idea why this is happening? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
That is interesting... I haven’t heard of that. Maybe try updating your app? Or delete it and reinstall it? If that does fix it, then maybe you need to take the bike into a shop to have the software updates . One of those should fix it.
Marshall Mullen Appears as though my app is already updated, and I deleted, then reinstalled The app. Still doesn’t work. I’m not sure my local bike shop has the ability to run a systemUpdate. Would you happen to have a good email or phone number for specialized that you would recommend calling? Thanks
@@bustergoddess Where are you located? Anyone at Specialized will just send you to a dealer. You just need to find the closest Specialized dealer. Most of them that sell turbo, should be able to do an update on the bike. They have lots of dealers, so there should be one not too far from you!
Please show us the rest of the settings like fake channel etc. Still trying to get head round my own app. Creo SL. just the best thing since sliced bread.
From the philippines.....planning on buying my first ebike direct import from UK. It will be a turbo creo sl expert. My problem is, the pedal assist limiter of the bike is set at 25kph because of the existing speed restriction in UK. It the US it is rated up to 28mph or 45kph. Can the mission app access this setting, or will it be automatic once I set my address which is in the Philippines. thanks
eugene mintu: The Mission Control can not adjust the max assisted speed setting. This is done via the firmware and may be able to be done mechanically (as there are numerous websites that show how to do this). Doing so, however, will void the warranty.
To see if I understand this... if my ride at the end shows that Average Support Level = 100%, does that mean that it is 100% of my output, which would mean that the total power to the wheel is 2X what I put in ? So if I did a 20 mile ride and it turned out to be a 100% Average Support Level, it would be as if i did a 10 mile ride with the motor off ?
I don't think it is exactly the same as the motor being turned off. It just means that on average, the power of the bike was giving you 100% of the setting you were on.
Lee W: Average support of 100% at the end of the ride means that the motor was giving you exactly what you were averaging in watts. So, if you averaged 85 watts for your ride, the motor was matching at 85 watts.
If you derestrict your bike the settings really come into there own. Also ECO is best to not go made as it really eats battery energy, I run Trail all the time as in the forest in between the trees can be to much. Its a good tool so play with the settings as its really good. I run boost the other day and you need to be on the ball or clipping the bars is so easy.
@@willng247 The derestriction allows a max of 28mph but it's only set at 85% on Boost setting and 65% in Trail as that's what I normally use and the forest trails I use it's very easy to clip one. Before derestriction it would hit 15mph and that was it. The most I have run on Boost 95% but only have used in the summer on a fast run section. The Mission control app is very good to tune settings, battery charges, pedal control over logs in the wet.
@@Nathanael_167 I had a UK spec restrictor removed so max is fast as you can pedal but 24/25 mph can be hit but just back from forest and hit 24.5 mph on a fire road.
Hi Marshall, great video. My question is, how do I set the wheel circumference, mine is set on 2400mm which is to high in my opinion. I ride the specialized Vado SL
Marshall Mullen I’m pretty sure you’re wrong in the video, and in this response. Support is not what you get when you touch the pedal, it’s the percentage of the overall support the motor can give you. E.g the motor can give you 400% of your input effort. I.e if i pedal with 25 watts energy, the motor can add 100watts. Setting support to 25% means the bike will give me a quarter of the possible support. So adds 100% of my effort (or 25watts in above example). So support is as named, the amount of support the motor gives. (Peak power is when that cuts out.. e.g 50% peak power means the motor will stop at a max of 125w output). Shuttle mode changes the approach the motor uses to determine support from the effort the rider puts in, to the cadence. So in 100% shuttle, the motor gives full support if your cadence is high (regardless of effort). While 0% shuttle gives you full support when your effort (watts) is high regardless of cadence.
Marshall, if you set eco trial and turbo with all the same figures support and peak ,will the bike perform exactly the same in each mode or does each mode have its own torque curve so to speak.
That is a good question. I don't know exactly, but I have heard turbo puts out a different power than the other modes. Not positive, but that is what I have heard.
@@MarshallMullen1 Hey, this is a real question to break your head over. I searched as well and stumbled upon a thread at EMTB forums, where a Specialized tech explained it. He said, "in all modes" 100% is 100% of 560 watts. So, for instance 30 % at ECO/PP will give you 3 times 56 watts maximum. Do not get confused with the 410% assist. That will 560 watts divided by 410, to calculate the number of assist. Other debate, but interesting. Keep up the Nice vids Marshall!
Thx for this info! I was told that I could input my route and this app will help to control these settings automatically so that I don’t run out of juice mid-ride. If this is true, I would love to see a support video! Thx again!
Why did you ignore shuttle....i have done the same trails in all three modes like a10 minute segment....eco consistent 1030sss trail mode 10 flat.. turbo 930s consistently...... my turbo settings are all 100.... shuttle makes a difference for sure...... but use alot of battery at 100 all settings.
@@artofangie For some reason Spesh chose to eliminate that feature on the SL. My Levo SL does not have that setting either. BTW, thinking of getting A Creo SL for my wife...how do you like it, and what do you not like about it?
Wouldn’t you like to be able to have different acceleration responses in the three different modes? I would like high acceleration response in one mode to allow me to do a pedal lift to get up onto pavements and zero acceleration response on trail mode
Actually, this doesn't make sense - the part where you set support for trail at 35% because you set peak power for eco to 35%. They're not related at all. Support is a multiplier, not an absolute power level.
I'm in the market for an ebike and from what I've learned, you are correct. Each mode provides a different level of assistance and mission control lets you fine tune each mode. That's not what this video is explaining at all. When he says you can achieve turbo in trail mode, that made no sense. I don't know why everyone thinks this video is helpful.
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Thank you, very informative. I was wondering why you ignored the shuttle mode?
This is the best basic video on how to set up mission control. Seems like folks are trying to figure out the difference between "Support" and "Peak" power. My read is that "Peak" is the assist you receive while pedaling rapidly, say above 70rpm, and "Support" is the assist you receive while pedaling slower.
I proved this to myself with trial and error riding tests so I'm pretty sure (not 100%) this is correct or at least that how it works for me.
Sounds like you are confusing what Support is. Support is the multiplier on the pedaling that you put into it. Peak Power is the max amount of current flowing from the battery to the system. So, if you are a very strong peddler, but want as much range of power the bike will give you, set the Support to low and keep the peak power high. You will have to pedal harder to use the full range of power coming from the battery. Keeping the turbo setting at 100/100 makes sense, because that gives you the max multiplier for your pedaling power, and the max output from the battery. If you like numbers: A setting of 50/50 on a 4x motor (like the Levo) means if your body outputs 50W of power by pedaling, you will get 50% of 4x, which would add about 100 watts to your pedaling. But your power ceiling is going to be 50% of about 560 watts: 280watts. After that, any increase in power output will be all from your legs. So in this case, if your pedaling is generating 140 watts, you'll get and additional 280watts. After that, you get no multiplier. So If you pedal at 200 watts, you're still only getting 280 watts in assist, because your peak power ceiling is at half. So three interesting levels would be: a power saver mode (something close to 35/35), a "wide" trail mode: Support 60: Peak 100, and leave Turbo the same: 100/100. That gives you a powerful middle mode, where if you pedal harder, you can still get all the battery/motor can give, you just have to work harder.
I agree that Marshall's understanding of the Support feature is incomplete and largely in error as you describe.
Hi, you seem to have a good understanding of the function of the app. Can you explain to me what the shuttle mode is about, please?
@@JayF1209 Gives full power no matter the amount of effort put into pedaling
@@lazurm To clarify, would a Support setting of, say, 45% in each of the three modes (eco, trail, turbo) provide the same amount of assist?
To clarify, would a setting of, say, 45% in each of the three modes (eco, trail, turbo) provide the same amount of assist?
Hi you’re the best person we’ve seen in explaining the different modes on this app although still to get our heads around it! Can you do a video explaining the other 2 modes, acceleration and shuttle please?
Had my Turbo Levo SL Comp one week and as a newbie to emtb riding I am trying to get my head around these settings. I love the bike but sometimes when I go down from trail to eco it feels too harsh. as if the brakes have been applied so I will play with these settings and tomorrow when I go off for an early ride see how things change. This all makes sense now so well done and thanks from a Brit living in France.
Just picked up my 2022 Levo Expert on Thursday, this video was so helpful, thank you!!
I've had my Specialized bike for 2 weeks and was wishing I hadn't changed it from my last one, the autonomie of the battery seems really bad, only getting about 55km on a full charge.
Now you have explained how to change the settings for the ride, its much better. Thanks for the clear precise explanation😀
Just got my first turbo levo comp man this was super helpful thanks for the video those settings are perfect
WOW great video , i was kind of stumped to what settings to use this has given me so much information to move forward with . BIG thank you for your time
Top notch video Marshall. Keep em comin!
I've had my Turbo Levo Expert for about 6 months and put almost 500 miles on it. I haven't touched the power settings and I'm just now trying to understand how they affect the motor, so that I can customize it. I started to do it when I first got the bike, but I didn't really even understand how I would ride the bike.
Now that I have a good understanding I want to customize these settings. Out of the 500 miles I have on the bike about 5 miles are in eco mode, 400 miles in trail mode and 95 miles in Turbo mode. I only use turbo for long climbs, or if I just want to do a quick spin on my local trails at full speed for fun. I love the power and wish it had more. I think the more power the better. I don't really care about exercise, that's not why I ride. I ride for fun, and I just want to have fun. I can get exercise at the gym.
I'm going to adjust it so that eco mode is what I ride in 50% of the time, then trail mode will be when I want to ride fast but don't care about battery about 30% of time, and Turbo will be used 20% of the time for climbs. I think I'm going to set eco-mode at just under trail mode is now to extend my range. Right ow the way I ride I can get about 25 miles on a full charge. I would like to get a little more out of it for those long summer days where I want to ride all day.
Thank you so much! I tried your suggested motor settings today on my Vado 4.0. Fantastic, fit better to my needs than the Standard Setup. BTW: Great Video! Thanks.
Thank you just brought a turbo Levo and this was a great help understanding it all thank you , subscribed
Thx Marshall, really helpful stoked to be on my new Turbo Levo Expert!
One thing to remember, take care of your motor, Watch the temp, don't do 100% support and stomp hard from a dead stop, and if you are running turbo for a while, check the temp and take a break and let the motor rest. I think the motor will last longer this way, just like a car that you don't drive around all lead footed alsts longer
Great info!, Cant wait until mine arrives, hopefully end of this month....
Really helpful for a new Levo owner. Cheers!
Thanks for the simple information for power settings
Very well explained thanks very much ,Guy g
Great vido. I suspect that some of the settings are based on skill and fitness levels as well. I would love to see more conversation around certain situations as they related to settings. I suspect that super technical rocky sections require a lot of power but also some pedal feel so understanding how acceleration might impact that would be helpful.
Support is expressed as a percentage (20%, 50%, etc). My question is: percentage of what? Of the total motor power, limited by the peak power? Or of the rider power applied to pedals? No vídeo I have seen so far makes that clear. Appreciate any light on this.
Cheers Marshall 👍great info, helped me get to grips with my Levo setup
This is incredibly useful, thank you!
Thank you for this video, great job for breaking it down for us👍
Great video. Thanks Marshall!
Thanks Marshall, great video! greeting's from Brasil!
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Thanks for the great info - well said
Thanks, very good explanation !
Great tips 🙌 Going to try these setting next time out. I've just been using standard settings.
I’m guessing this is for the full fat Levo. Would like to know your SL settings
Thank you I will set mine up and try it.
This will be great to know when I find a used Levo SL!
great tips keep em coming 😍
hi thankyou for the explanation cheers
Very helpful. Thanks
Good one. Can you explain shuttle?
How do you switch off speed sensor so I can put Levi on a trainer
thanks, I learned , the video in my opinion would be better if it was little more fast
You can adjust the video speed output settings by clicking on the lower right circular settings button and choosing "Playback Speed".
Hello amigo, acceleration response is no longer an option on the app. Why is that?
can you please send a video of how to replace the brakes pads on my speciallized levo mountain bike? thanks
what is the difference between making using microtuning to versus changing the support and peak power using the app like you have suggested? I am really confused because for microtuning its only changing one number for the modes and using the app you can adjust support and peak power seperately like you show in the video. I guess I am missing something.
Hey I’m just wondering do you ever just the shuttle? That was a great video.
My 2019 Turbo Levo was not the same after a firmware update, so I’m hoping that these adjustments help bring back the “off the line” torque. Thanks 😊
Thanks for the video. 🚲
I stopped using the Specialized Mission Control App because I don't like the data which is shown while riding.
Now I use BLEvo with my Specialized Levo 2019.
In principal the settings you used the Specialized Mission Control App can be used with BLevo too.
I'll check what the settings I use are.
So BLEvo works with the SL?
@@scottweisman3768 Sure
My BLevo settings are:
ECO 20%
Trail 50%
Turbo 90%
PP ECO 35%
PP Trail 70%
PP Turbo 95%
Just watched this. How do I set cadence? Brand new bike and went for a ride yesterday and the bike has me pedaling very fast. Can I slow that down? Would that be the cadence?
I have the Creo SL. In the Tune screen, what is the Stealth Mode and how does it function? 2nd question: What is the Fake Channel and how does that work/what’s its function? Another question: “Display Always Active”: which display is that? Auto Start Active: Does that mean it will record my ride as soon as I start pedaling? I have the device linked to my Strava on my phone, which is a great feature.
Stealth mode just turns off the lights on the display on the bike.
Fake channel is I believe a way to hook up a heart rate monitor, though I have never used it.
I am not sure about the display always active thing. Haven't used that.
Hope that helps!
Stealth mode will keep the lights on your TCU on for a few seconds after changing modes or turning the TCU on. It's there so that others don't notice the lights and/or you don't get distracted by them.
Fake Channel will allow you to output the percentage of battery remaining by broadcasting the information to your head unit (i.e., a Garmin Edge, etc.) under the category you decide. So, if you choose "Cadence" then the cadence feature will show battery percentage remaining instead of your cadence. The same for the Power choice.
Hi good explained, thank you, but what means the "shuttle" setting??
Shuttle basically just gives the bike full power all the time. Instead of a percentage of power the harder you push, it will give 100% power all the time
What happens if take battery out tcu does it reset back to factory settings? ,thank you
Thanks dude. This was helpful. I’ll give that config a try. Been running my acceleration at 0 and maybe that’s why the bike feels sluggish at times.
I’m sure that is why. Crank it up!
Same here!! Thanks for the tip!
I just got a Tero Turbo X 5.0. It's a trail, light duty mountain and commuter. I would imagine settings would be different if I am on a trail rather than when i am on pavement. Anyone have any thoughts?
How come you don't bump up shuttle? Makes the revolutions easier.
Hello I bough my turbo levo and watching your videos I just want to know for what is the (Auto star active)
(Display always active) Thank you very much
Hallo,
Kann die Mission Control App auch die Daten Herzfrequenz einer Garmin S62 empfangen.Stimmt es das man dann mit seiner Herzfrequenz das Rad steuert wie eine Automatik❓❓❓
Danke in voraus schon einmal
After you get all your settings done is it necessary to have Mission Control app on while you’re riding your bike?
The information that is ultimately of use to me is the answer to the question "What % of the overall ride energy / average power is coming from my legs vs. the motor".
In my case, I have seen on my Mission Control App, after the ride, an Average Support Level (ASL) reading as high as 80%. So using 80% ASL for a 10 mile bike ride as the example, which of these 3 interpretations is the "Real" meaning of this:
1) 80% ASL means 80% of my effort (and my effort by definition is always 100%). So total power to the bike = 1.8X of my effort. So my contribution to total power = 1/1.8 = 56%. So my 10 mi E-Bike ride is equivalent to a 5.6 mile non E-Bike ride.
2) 80% ASL means that of the overall ride power/energy, 80% came from the motor and 20% came from me. So my 10 mile E-bike ride is equivalent to a 2 mile non E-Bike ride.
3) 80% ASL means that 80% of the motor max power. 80% of 240W = 192W. This is nice to know but tells me nothing about what % of the ride energy/power I contributed, so is kind of a worthless number to me.
If someone who knows can post which of 1, 2 or 3 is correct, or if there's an even different interpretation, I would be most grateful to know.
Thank you !
Good questions. I believe it is number 3. I am not positive, but that would be my guess.
Lee W: None of the choices you listed. 80% assistance means that the motor added 80% of your average watts for that ride. So, if you averaged 100 watts, the motor averaged another 80 watts assistance.
If you have a wahoo elemnt roam or bolt v2 you can connect it to levo using ant+. Besides battery levels and rpm it also tells you the riders power.
When going down hill should you turn off the power if power is not needed?
when I used mission control my bike kept going automatically to turbo - i want to make the changes manually - when I called specialized they said there was some place to set the way the bike starts up - do you know where that is? thank you
My mission control is reading my speed ay slower than what it’s actually is according to my Garmin. How do I fix it?
Is it safe to say that at 85% Support, the rider has to input 15% to attain the Peak Power setting for that mode?
What is shuffle and the other items good for?
What is shuttle??
Hi Marshall, thanks for your video. I’m hoping you can help me out. For some reason, just recently, I’m unable to independently, set my PEAK POWER, in each different mode. Example ; If I set my peak power in Eco mode to 75%, then move to trail mode , or turbo mode and attempt set them to 80%, It automatically sets them all to the same percentage. I can’t set the Peak power to different %’s in each mode...it defaults to all the same? 🤔
It didn’t always do this. I used to be able to set the Peak power at 3 different percentages( for each mode) , but can’t anymore😔
Do you have any idea why this is happening?
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
That is interesting... I haven’t heard of that.
Maybe try updating your app? Or delete it and reinstall it? If that does fix it, then maybe you need to take the bike into a shop to have the software updates . One of those should fix it.
Marshall Mullen Appears as though my app is already updated, and I deleted, then reinstalled The app. Still doesn’t work. I’m not sure my local bike shop has the ability to run a systemUpdate. Would you happen to have a good email or phone number for specialized that you would recommend calling? Thanks
@@bustergoddess Where are you located? Anyone at Specialized will just send you to a dealer. You just need to find the closest Specialized dealer. Most of them that sell turbo, should be able to do an update on the bike. They have lots of dealers, so there should be one not too far from you!
Marshall Mullen perfect! I had firm ware update and it cleared up the issue in 3 minutes. Cheers!
@@bustergoddess Great! glad to help
My bike feels really jerky when i am in turbo going up hill. Any suggestions on how to fix that ?
How do you know the battery life?
How to connect garmin or wahoo to the Levo sl power meter?
Please show us the rest of the settings like fake channel etc. Still trying to get head round my own app. Creo SL. just the best thing since sliced bread.
From the philippines.....planning on buying my first ebike direct import from UK. It will be a turbo creo sl expert. My problem is, the pedal assist limiter of the bike is set at 25kph because of the existing speed restriction in UK. It the US it is rated up to 28mph or 45kph. Can the mission app access this setting, or will it be automatic once I set my address which is in the Philippines. thanks
eugene mintu: The Mission Control can not adjust the max assisted speed setting. This is done via the firmware and may be able to be done mechanically (as there are numerous websites that show how to do this). Doing so, however, will void the warranty.
Does the bike have to be turned on to link to app?
App should read
minimum support
Max power
I have my sl setup
Eco 35-35
Trail 40-60
Turbo 100-100
To see if I understand this... if my ride at the end shows that Average Support Level = 100%, does that mean that it is 100% of my output, which would mean that the total power to the wheel is 2X what I put in ? So if I did a 20 mile ride and it turned out to be a 100% Average Support Level, it would be as if i did a 10 mile ride with the motor off ?
I don't think it is exactly the same as the motor being turned off. It just means that on average, the power of the bike was giving you 100% of the setting you were on.
Lee W: Average support of 100% at the end of the ride means that the motor was giving you exactly what you were averaging in watts. So, if you averaged 85 watts for your ride, the motor was matching at 85 watts.
Ok so lets say my legs are imputing 200 watts of power to the bike. How much power is the bike going to add?
If you derestrict your bike the settings really come into there own. Also ECO is best to not go made as it really eats battery energy, I run Trail all the time as in the forest in between the trees can be to much. Its a good tool so play with the settings as its really good. I run boost the other day and you need to be on the ball or clipping the bars is so easy.
What do you mean by derestrict the bike that the settings really come into there own. In what way? can you explain.
@@willng247 The derestriction allows a max of 28mph but it's only set at 85% on Boost setting and 65% in Trail as that's what I normally use and the forest trails I use it's very easy to clip one. Before derestriction it would hit 15mph and that was it. The most I have run on Boost 95% but only have used in the summer on a fast run section. The Mission control app is very good to tune settings, battery charges, pedal control over logs in the wet.
How did you get it derestricted? I want the same
@@Nathanael_167 I had a UK spec restrictor removed so max is fast as you can pedal but 24/25 mph can be hit but just back from forest and hit 24.5 mph on a fire road.
Hi Marshall, great video.
My question is, how do I set the wheel circumference,
mine is set on 2400mm which is to high in my opinion.
I ride the specialized Vado SL
Dealer to ajust
Good explanation! But what does the shuttle mode do?
Shuttle mode basically overrides these settings, and just gives you full motor power all the time. I’ll probably do a video on that at some point!
Marshall Mullen I’m pretty sure you’re wrong in the video, and in this response.
Support is not what you get when you touch the pedal, it’s the percentage of the overall support the motor can give you. E.g the motor can give you 400% of your input effort. I.e if i pedal with 25 watts energy, the motor can add 100watts. Setting support to 25% means the bike will give me a quarter of the possible support. So adds 100% of my effort (or 25watts in above example). So support is as named, the amount of support the motor gives. (Peak power is when that cuts out.. e.g 50% peak power means the motor will stop at a max of 125w output). Shuttle mode changes the approach the motor uses to determine support from the effort the rider puts in, to the cadence. So in 100% shuttle, the motor gives full support if your cadence is high (regardless of effort). While 0% shuttle gives you full support when your effort (watts) is high regardless of cadence.
@@darylgwyn5013 think so, too
Marshall, if you set eco trial and turbo with all the same figures support and peak ,will the bike perform exactly the same in each mode or does each mode have its own torque curve so to speak.
That is a good question. I don't know exactly, but I have heard turbo puts out a different power than the other modes. Not positive, but that is what I have heard.
@@MarshallMullen1 Hey, this is a real question to break your head over. I searched as well and stumbled upon a thread at EMTB forums, where a Specialized tech explained it. He said, "in all modes" 100% is 100% of 560 watts. So, for instance 30 % at ECO/PP will give you 3 times 56 watts maximum. Do not get confused with the 410% assist. That will 560 watts divided by 410, to calculate the number of assist. Other debate, but interesting. Keep up the Nice vids Marshall!
It’s telling me to update firmware and it is restricted to 15kmh and I can’t do it on the phone
Came here only to go faster,turbo allready maximum so app not give anymore?
What does shuttle mode do?
Thx for this info!
I was told that I could input my route and this app will help to control these settings automatically so that I don’t run out of juice mid-ride. If this is true, I would love to see a support video! Thx again!
Is there a reason my app groups the peak power?
I can't set peak power % individually 🤔
I think you have an old version of the app. Delete it and reinstall the latest version.
@@MarshallMullen1 nope. I took it in and they updated firmware and now it works
Is a garmin needed to track the ride or does the app act like the garmin 1030
The app will track the ride itself!
Why did you ignore shuttle....i have done the same trails in all three modes like a10 minute segment....eco consistent 1030sss trail mode 10 flat.. turbo 930s consistently...... my turbo settings are all 100.... shuttle makes a difference for sure...... but use alot of battery at 100 all settings.
I have a blu tooth heart monitor. Can I set that up with mission control and use it to control my ride?
John Eaves yes i believe you can with a Garmin or wahoo heart monitor.
Is there a cadence setting?
Shuttle mode
If u buy the little specialized computer display it shows your cadence on it..
My version for the Creo doesn’t show acceleration mode. Is there a way to increase the power from stop to go?
Do you have a Creo SL?
John Williamson yes
@@artofangie For some reason Spesh chose to eliminate that feature on the SL. My Levo SL does not have that setting either. BTW, thinking of getting A Creo SL for my wife...how do you like it, and what do you not like about it?
When I go to ADD PEDAL ASSIST BIKE - Bikes Found it will not allow me to add my bike number or code. Where can I add my bike number and code???
Larry Blanchard you find it in your book or under the tcu the blue lights.
500 watt motor 500 watt battery equals five hours of trail time. Gotta manage that power.
Wouldn’t you like to be able to have different acceleration responses in the three different modes?
I would like high acceleration response in one mode to allow me to do a pedal lift to get up onto pavements and zero acceleration response on trail mode
Actually, this doesn't make sense - the part where you set support for trail at 35% because you set peak power for eco to 35%. They're not related at all. Support is a multiplier, not an absolute power level.
I'm in the market for an ebike and from what I've learned, you are correct. Each mode provides a different level of assistance and mission control lets you fine tune each mode. That's not what this video is explaining at all. When he says you can achieve turbo in trail mode, that made no sense. I don't know why everyone thinks this video is helpful.
Why wouldn't you address the shuttle setting ??
good info
Have you had any problems with the Brose 2.1 motor? I heard they have internal belt problems.
Yes they have issue,s.I have 2 Ebike,s . Replaced motor 3 times on one bike.Once on other.
There’s a new updated motor, don’t stress
It's not the belts apparently is to do with the housing the housing is contracting with heat.
Watch this video it's long but very very interesting
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I'm still non the wiser after watching this 😂😂😂
cant hear you with volume at 100%
Use headphones, or an external speaker with power.
Ignored the mos unkown feature SHUTTLE👎👎👎👎
Thanks
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Cummins power good in a truck like a brose In a ebike.
Ps put a deposit down on a expert levo
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