‘Japanese do as they’re told’: Aviation expert says obedience saved lives
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Aviation expert Geoff Thomas says the Japanese’ ability to “do as they are told” is what saved lives on board the burning aircraft at Tokyo airport.
“My initial reaction was people are going to die in this when I was watching it live," Mr Thomas told Sky News Australia.
“But then I thought no, they’re Japanese - they do what they are told.
“If a flight attendant says leave your baggage on board and get off, they follow the instructions.”
A Japan Airlines flight with 367 passengers and 12 crew on board burst into flames on the runway of Haneda Airport in Tokyo after colliding with a Coast Guard aircraft.
12 Australians were among the over 370 people who escaped the burning aircraft.
It's not obedience, it's discipline. Big difference.
americans dont understand that, theyre sheep.
I thought the same thing
THIS. Obedience gets you a free train ride to the showers. Somewhere in this incident we will likely find poor discipline on the part of one or more parites.
I mean…Japanese are obedient too 😆
and slim passengers
Absolutely correct. The Japanese also do not loot, as was seen after the 2011 Tsunami. A wonderful people.
They have a strong sense of honour and duty.
Indeed. Ameen
@@rustykilt Doesn't serve them the best in many cases though, I can give many examples like their justice system. Even if one is not guilty 99 percent of the time they will plead guilty and their own "departure" rate is very high.
The Canadians and Australians didn't loot either after catastrophic wild fires when many people were ordered to evacuate their homes. Looting happened in California after Paradise fire. People in many other countries don't loot either during natural disasters.
@@sz5263lol
As a Japanese, we must say that twelve Australian were also followed the instruction even they did not understand what people who surrounded you said in Japanese. Thank you for all foreign passengers to cooperate evacuation.
Not to sound stereotypical, but Japanese are a very smart, disciplined, stable, level-headed people, they have a strict respect one for another. A screaming mayhem just isn't their way...
A lot of people bad shit happens they're drilled in safety procedures from childhood
Except Fukushima. Completely preventable. The world scientists warned them, but they ignored it. 8th graders could have designed a better backup power arrangement.
Have you ever been to Japan? I was an educator in Japan for 25+ years... there are all types of people there.. just like any other country...
I have a Japanese family and I can tell you for free,discipline is core in Japan.
Your right and many ways but remember these are people that give up there babies because there born a girl....
I'd call it discipline instead of obedience. That Airbus was a huge airliner, with many passengers on board. Pretty stunning everybody got out out that fast!
Fast? It took 18 minutes. That’s not fast at all, especially when the A359 is certified for a 90 second evacuation, with just 4 out of 8 emergency exits. They had 3 exits to work with. It should have taken them 5 minutes at most. Not 18 minutes! That is insanely long.
You've confused discipline for obedience. The discipline to keep your mind in all situations rather than give into your feelings, like panic, is not being taught anymore. It's almost like it's by design.
Deepest sympathies.
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He had already given hints, which were seconded by Philip LaFollette and the N. Y. Daily News. He was about to replace Catholic John T. Flynn of the strategic New York chapter with a more obedient lackey.
AMERICA FIRST, started by fascist minded business magnates, had at first been independent of Coughlin. But by infiltration the Coughlinites became the dominant element. Catholic church prelates gave it their enthusiastic approval.
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Not at all. Passengers are expected to follow the instructions of the crew. To the extent that they obey instructions can be described as obedient, nothing wrong with that. There is little room for self-direction. I highly doubt all 300+ passengers were calm and composed and behaving in a controlled manner. Do you really need to argue semantics?
Im ex Jal crew. London based. The main thing here was only 3 escape routes were to use. the deligence of crews decision to make sure people didnt leave straight into flames.
And thank god nobody sited at the emergency exit rows try to open the door or something to invite fire into the cabin. that would be so devasting. In such event.. some people would easily lose their mind and behave oddly. Thankfully this time round everyone is sharp hence everyone got out safe.
Ex QF here. Cabin crew did what they are professionally trained to do, excellent
@@carine4318passengers also followed instructions and have common sense.
@@rinzler9775 not all
Pax have commonsense but thank god these pax did and you do to
@@Bettina8987 yes, I meant the Japanese have common sense, and are not overweight. If this happened in the west, panicking whales would block the corridors.
one of the last countries on the planet where law and order are the rule.
And very strict border controls - criminals can't enter. A correlation perhaps ?
Not Really. Japan has a sense of community and cohesiveness. Offending others and not following the rules is worst than breaking the law rather than investing in Jail and correction they invest in education and commerce. Japan police each other.
Agreed whole heartedly. Very honest too.
just ask Ghosn, he should have first hand experience
Yeah, they would never - I dunno - assassinate their prime minister...
Obedience!? How come! Japanese are not generally obedient! They insist on their rights, but also fulfill their duties. That count! They are doing with a strong sense of responsibility.
Thanks to amazing coordination between crew and passengers, they succeeded in saving all lives on board, great professional training !!
Obedience is not the right word. Japanese passengers had discipline and also common sense. They understand the importance of respecting others, even in/especially in an emergency situation like this. Each of them took active role than just being obedient.
Then why did it take 18 minutes from the point the aircraft stopped, to when everyone was finally evacuated? The A350 is certified for a 90 second evacuation with just 4 out of 8 emergency exits. They had 3. It should have taken at most 5 minutes to clear that aircraft. Not 18! That is insanely bad…
@@6z0
you do understand cabin crew cannot just instantly know which doors to open right?
You do understand they have to take maximum care to evaluate the situation to decide which doors to open, which not to, or even if they need to evacuate in the first place.
They didn’t have intercom as well as that broke during the crash, nor did they have good sight of the outside due to heavy smoke and most of the fire being under the fuselage made it near impossible to identify where the fire had started.
In fact, the evacuation had been completed in about estimated 120 seconds after the first door was opened. So I see absolutely no problem.
The 90 second certificate only shows that ‘ONCE’ a door is opened it will take 90 seconds to evacuate, not that the aircraft would be completely evacuated in 90 seconds at all situation and all times.
@@HappyGM-R You see no problem with an 18 minute evacuation? That’s how I know not to take you seriously. 18 minutes is inexcusable. There was a group of passengers refusing to evacuate. They put the Captain’s life and all of their own lives at risk. No excuses
@@6z0
Your source? Because I have looked into all English and Japanese accounts of events in the cabin and I have not come across this ‘group refusing to evacuate’ which sounds stupid in such a situation.
The only fact I know is that the 90 second rule has never been achieved in real life situation similar to this one, where the aircraft catches fire before the evacuation begins.
The only time 90 second rule is met or close to satisfied is when fire isn’t present, and when there is fire present, someone dies.
@@HappyGM-R “In the evening of Jan 5th 2024 the Japan Ministry of Transport added, that the aircraft had been evacuated within 7 minutes after the collision, however, it took another 11 minutes until the captain managed to convince several petrified passengers still in the cabin to leave the aircraft.” The Aviation Herald has every piece of detail known about this crash, I suggest reading it.
So, I still want to fly Japanese, in cases like this; their respect for civility at the time of crisis.
Yet from the in cabin footage, they were all screaming their heads off and didn’t know what to do. It was far from civil
It is true though.. not being racist or anything.. Certain Nationalities do behave and obey instruction better.. although they may not like it or think otherwise. but they just do it then complaint later. Because of these.. and also kudos to the well trained crew and pilot.. everyone got out the aircraft safe and able to see the next day.
It's so terrifying... to see the plane in flame moving on the tarmac.. thanks god it didnt explode or something and miraculously everyone is safe too. That's insane and lesson learnt. I am a cabin crew and I can tell you.. This is not easy.. Zero causality and everyone safe on a full flight A350.. that's really miracle. Well done to all.
Japanese have discipline and can follow instructions.
A western flight would be full of hysterical, screaming women demanding compensation shrieking at the top of their lungs because that helps the situation somehow.
Karens
@@hobo1704 And Darens too
Your comment is racist and wrong.
For once this guy's right. If they were westeners, they would've all perished. Panic kills.
You'd have some fat lady saying she paid for her ticket, and she's not getting off, its her right.
You mean like US Airways flight 1549?
@@cloggedpitot1they didn’t panic because there was nowhere to run 😆
@@cloggedpitot1props to that U.S. airways flight but there’s a difference between an out of control fire in a plane twice as big compared to a plane that stayed afloat for a decent amount of time in the river.
same in indonesia, you will left behind to flame at the back because they tried to take their luggage
If you've ever been to Japan, you'll have experienced the Shinkansen and the subway, and you'll be able to experience how packed passengers can change trains in an orderly manner. Disciplined group behavior is an established part of the Japanese lifestyle.
We need more of this in society in general. If I could get a job there I would love to move and leave America. I would need some training in the etiquette but I think it would be refreshing.
these passengers and crew of this Japanese Airliners, are maybe the luckiest 379 people of 2024 so far, thank God and Airbus plus the crew of this airliner too!
And don't forget the ground emergency personnel.
@@anthonyxuereb792the ground emergency crew was on top .
That's not luck. It's training and following instructions
What's lucky about crashing?
The Japanese train since childhood for evacuations during earthquakes and are very attentive to following orders as they know it saves lives.
However in a lot of countries that concept is something that is quite alien to many people, particularly those of the peaceful protest movements, that were anything but peaceful
I must agree on your point since I was born in the Showa era in Japan and disaster evacuations were so ingrained to our souls by school trainings every year at least for generations. This is also true for American and Russian youngsters who lived through the Cold War era hence the nuclear attack readiness training took places in both sides, I believe. You can be taught about it but schools may need to take up the role seriously because it was effective in my country. It's not waste of time.
It took them 18 minutes to fully evacuate, from the point the aircraft stopped. That is terrible. The A359 is certified for a 90 second evacuation with just 4 out of the 8 exits. They had 3 exits to work with, it should have taken 5 minutes at most. Not 18…
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i would rather say its discipline, japanese acknowledged the gravity of the situation and followed the instructions of the personnel. Discipline is saving lives
Japanese media is reporting that Air traffic controllers gave permission to the JAL plane to land, but didn't authorize the Coast Guard plane to enter the runaway. Everything is recorded, so it was miscommunication. Why the Coast Guard pilot went ahead and entered the runaway is yet to be determined.
Japanese arrogance.
J'ai beaucoup de sympathie pour la personne qui a fait une erreur car on connaît les conséquences dans la société japonaise. Pas de pardon, soit on se fait harakiri soit on est mis au banc de la société jusqu'à la fin de ses jours
Almost everyone survived because there are no Karen's slowing thing's down in Japan
Perhaps this incident could be referenced on airline websites world wide as to the positive outcomes of adhering to cabin crew's instructions.
Is that the only part of the plane left? Looks like half of a wing and some scraps. Kudos to the flight crew for saving all 379 passengers. Absolutely incredible 👏👏bravo. The flight attendants are the real heros. All 379 people survived with a few minor injuries.
This is Tokyo. In Japan, children are forced to undergo evacuation drills from the age of 3 or 4. This is a measure against earthquakes and fires. Japanese people follow evacuation orders when they are given. Evacuation orders are determined in advance. Never obedient. If you think the evacuation order is incorrect, be sure to request correction. Japanese people know that destroying order in times of disaster is meaningless. This English text is a translation by Google. God bless His Majesty the King.
Are you sure about this? Children aren't required to go to school until first grade, though some have three years of kindergarten. Typically most students have one or two years years. The government never forced my children when they were three of four to do evacuation drills.
InJapan, they do the evacuation drill in case of an earthquake or fire once or twice a year even in a kindergarten. It doesn’t matter whether the government force them or not.
If this happened in Australia or the US, 90% of the passengers would have died, but we'd have at least 300 instagrams, Tiktoks and snapchats to record the moment.
If they would've died then how would their phones survive? How would we see the tiktok and snapchats?
@@shovanabajracharya Live stream? Planes have WiFi don't they?
@@ImDuDu22no including india with their planes even being stinky ☠, don't put china into this at least they aren't filled with stinky poos to the brim
@@chadjcrase so you mean they would be recording while burning and dying? Interesting!
@@shovanabajracharya Well, looking at screens until it was too late anyway.
I’d like to praise the non-Japanese passengers on board, 12 Australians at least, too. Most might not have understood Japanese yet didn’t panic or try to escape, which could trigger chaos among others. So grateful for their courage and cooperation! I hope they won’t regret going to Japan or foreign countries in general.
Imagine a plane with a few Karens and some entitled American alphabet people. "No. I refuse to get off this plane until my ticket is refunded." "Do you know who I am? You can't give me orders like that. I'll have you fired". etc.
Yep
It would have to be filmed for social media too, so they would take at least one person with them for their 'crew' and witness.
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@@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz The plane has crashed sir, you are are literally on fire. Would you like a photo for your profile pic? ☺
World needs strong Japan .
I couldn't imagine if this happened on a Southwest flight. Only in Japan, would 379 people can evacuate a plane burning safely but let's not forget that the flight crew did an amazing job.
Why is no one mentioning air traffic control? Maybe the Coast Card pilot just didn't go to the correct strip. How sad for the loss of the Coast Guard Personnel.
Because no one knows at this stage what happened, we can only guess. Leave it to the experts to do their job and come up with their report. It could take weeks or months. It`s not up to us to start pointing fingers when we don`t have all the information.
RIP those that lost their lives.
@@mikegriffin1724 There is a poor quality recording of the ATC out there, the Coast Guard aircraft was directed to taxi to the C5 hold point, on the recording I could not hear a hold short of runway direction but to enter the runway you have to taxi past the hold point. Still a lot of investigation to do, cockpit voice recorder on the dash 8 will be critical in understanding how they interpreted their taxi instructions and why they entered the runway.
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I wasn't implying any blame by ATC just curious why no reports I've heard mention them in even the most benign way. Everyone knows they are integral in this event so to entitely omit mention is odd.
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Thank you. Isn't it so very sad if the Dash 8 pilot just went too far. I'm not a pilot but I wonder if the "hold" is normal procedure where final worthiness checks are done before another communique with the tower to proceed to runway.
If it is those countries that celebrated the earthquake and the fire on the plane, they would be arguing at the exit about their luggage and heels then jumped on the slide and burst it killing everyone behind whilst the culprits in front fell to their deaths.
Japan must have a very professional high quality trained flight attendants and pilots crews which they successfully can save whole passengers! Amazing! 😁👍
I think there is another factor. Airbus A350-9 with carbon fiber fuselage and nose that absorbed such a massive impact of crash with Dash8 while strong structure enabled the plane to be intact enough for passengers to be able to evacuate. The carbon fiber fuselage burned down only after giving enough time for people to evacuate. Well trained, devoted crew members, people with discipline and thoughtfully designed aircraft in combination seems to be the key factors of this miracle. I've been a die hard fun of Boeing for a long time but now got a reason to appreciate Airbus too.
Yes it's very clear from this accident that the A350 is built VERY tough
Airbus is actually vastly superior to Boeing (it's just the American PR machine that tries to make people believe the opposite).
Yes, but if this was a traditional aluminum body aircraft, people would have probably died. It took them 18 minutes to fully evacuate, and a whole 90 seconds after they came to a stop to even START the evacuation! Bad times
@@6z0 This is not correct. The evacuation timeline was as follows: first fire units on scene 4 minutes after the aircraft stopped. Foam was seen on windows at 5:10, flight attendants were confirming exit door serviceability from around 3:00 to 5:30. Evac call came at 6:20 and everyone was off by 8:00, with 3 of 8 exits serviceable. The remaining ten minutes crew were searching the aircraft and helped some stragglers who were reluctant to move. Source is a full length video of the onboard scene shown on ANN news Japan.
@@haroldlipschitz9301 18 minutes had passed since they came to a stop before every single person was off the plane, and that is fact. That is the problem. “In the evening of Jan 5th 2024, the Japanese Ministry of Transport added, that the majority of the aircraft had been evacuated within 7 minutes, however, it took another 11 minutes until the captain managed to convince several petrified passengers refusing to leave the cabin, to finally evacuate” 18 minutes inside a burning aircraft is inexcusable. What were those passengers doing?
Absolutely correct.. look at supermarket customers in Japan compared to UK..
There is a news program that follows undercover supermarket shoplifter catchers in Japan, who are called "Gmen." Those caught are almost always deeply remorseful and ashamed, and NEVER get into street fights with store personnel. 😅
So true most people will never listen
Thoughts and prayers go out to Japan at this time. Praise to the crew on the Japan Airlines A350 for saving all on board. Prayers to those who died in the Japanese Coast Guard Dash-8 plane and to those who died in the latest Japanese earthquake. Could have been a different outcome if this accident occurred in a Western airport with a Western airline.
redtitan6184: "Thoughts and prayers go out...." Don't you see that this expression, more about having nothing much to say than making things better, is so, so tiresome? I'd think people would be embarrassed to still be using this overused expression by now.
At least it is something. It is not a tiresome expression either.@@lazurm
@@redtitan6184 Yes, it's "something". But it comes from a stranger, is essentially meaningless, and (as for its tiresomeness) used by politicians everytime there's a mass shooting, hundreds of times each year.
I just believe that this expression is used by the same type of people (generally speaking) who mindlessly enter the longest line in front of an E-Z pass entryway because, well, it's right in front of them. I call this the "sheep effect".
Maybe I'm being a putz but, really, if you want to say something (and you did...after that awful first sentence) make it more personal or don't say anything.
My comments are perfectly fine and not awful. I will keep saying what I want to when I want to. @@lazurm
JAPANESE DISCIPLINE...saved eveyrone !! FORGET YOUR CARRY ON BAGS.....SAVE YOUR LIFE AND OTHERS !!
Laws should be changed so that if you try to get your stuff when evacuating then you should be on a permanent no-fly list in addition to a felony. These actions have caused people's deaths. Hey, I thought of another idea: when announcing evacuation, tell them that the bins have been locked (by pilot) and not to even try.
Recently experienced Japan's adherence to rules, truly marvelous.
The flight crew and cabin crew performed incredibly well, exactly as trained no doubt.
The Japanese passengers are also the reason they all survived. Everyone followed instructions and unloaded that aircraft in an orderly fashion presumably under 90 seconds.
Imagine trying to accomplish that on an aircraft in US with drunk, overweight, selfish and entitled passengers not following instructions, trying to get their luggage down, arguing with people desparatly wanting to survive and get off the plane.
This is my greatest fear when flying.
Yes, pax need to listen to cabin crew.. they are trained professionals
I'm Japanese, just wanna explain these background a bit…Japan is a country with a lot of volcanoes and earthquakes, and there are many difficult disasters, so we Japanese have repeated and thorough disaster/evacuation drills since we were in kindergarten. We respond calmly, judge the situation carefully, cooperate with the surroundings and help each other. It has been deeply penetrated into our culture for a long time as a common practice. I have received such strict trainings, so I will naturally help you even if there are foreign travelers nearby. It is very important for us to work together to help everyone. Thank you for your concern from people all over the world.
Title should be 'Passengers followed instructions'
Obedience? It's totally misleading! They do not do as they are told unless ...
Very good report and so true - any other place and it would have been a lot worse. Thoughts go to family of the victims.
That Airbus didn't clip the dash 8. He went right through the dash 8! The captain was probably the only guy that didn't get hit by the nose gear!
Gee , that jet just melted to almost NOTHING.
If they do what there told, why did the little plane enter an active runway, without permission.
The traffic controller way of speaking is not clear.
Perhaps they were just well trained, alert and were quick to respond.....and this is not the first time an air crew got all their passengers out of a large aircraft while fire broke out...Air France 358 comes to mind.....congrats to this JAL crew, and passengers.....
Anyone who takes their bags with them during an evacuation should be fined $10k+
It has everything to do with the pilot making a split second decision to evacuate immediately and using 3 of 4 slides.
It was actually the cabin attendants that decided which exit to use. Said by one of the passengers in an interview.
Regarding the Tenerife incident 1977, KLM's captain was sole responsible for that worst accident in the aviation history. KLM pilots knows PAN AM 747 was still on the runway and they didn't had clearance from ATC for take off. But KLM's captain was in hurry to land its final destination because he want to join his family to celebrate Christmas. His first officer warned him about take off clearance but he ignored that and started take off rolling. 990 people were died because of one person's mistake.
It is always about history. A Japanese culture of individual sacrifices for the good of all has been the norm. There is no amount of cheap fare that would get me on a Spirit or Southwest Airlines flight.
However, obedience can also cost live. Like those sewol ferry incident.
@4.11 passengers are international not just Japanese to give credits for the disiplined evacuation
Obedience? How about the Lahaina residents that perished becaused they were roadblocked in an inferno?
More respect from airline managements, to look after cabin crews and flight crews and remunerate them properly. They are not trolly dollies as you perceive them, they save peoples lives and saving the airline reputation. Am I correct QF and VA?
This Asian approach to authority can be a double-edged sword, this time it saved lives, in the case of the ferry MV Sewol, it killed over 300 people.
Well it helps that the passengers weren't all morbidly obese like in murica.
SkyJab is really pushing this deflection story?
If most of the passengers onboard were Mainland Chinese, the outcome would definitely be the opposite
For air traffic control, it seems like we need to have quadruple number of controllers overseeing the air traffic control of aircrafts!!!!
yes the only problem is it takes 4 years to learn how to do proficiently
It was human error and you want to add more humans?
Not do as they’re told. They do what benefits themselves and those around them. You see it in everyday life in Japan. We’ve lost that.
Exactly
SkyJab avoids the list.
The citizens of the Japanese Empire are under the Bushido Code if someone gives them an order or it is from Naruhito himself they do it. They are recovering from a plane crash and an earthquake so it is all hands on deck for this one. They are not ninjas, they are not thieves, and they don't loot or leave people to die they are bound by honor to themselves, their emperor and their god thats why they are a model society.
"Obedience" is what killed so many students on the Sewol. Their teachers told them to stay belowdecks while the ship sank.
more important are the photos taken by the passengers showing the damage to the plane before the plane burnt out
Disciple, smaller statue, generally thinner and more mobile.
How come they don't show the Coast Guard plane??
I would imagine that if this had happened in a certain large western country, there would have been panic, chaos and mayhem, resulting in deaths through a lack of personal discipline.
If this occurred in the US, it would be every man, woman and child for themselves.
The Dash 8 was not cleared to takeoff it was told to taxi and hold short of runway. news just out from transcripts from japan of ATC
What was the nationality of the coastguard plane crew? Could a junior officer have not questioned the captain who made a mistake ? It works both ways and this has been known amongst Asian crews.
Japanese as well. They were bringing products to the earthquake victims
Wow. Look at the plane after the fire was extinguished. Completely destroyed. First A350 write off
Just get the charred but off.
In 2005 an Air France A340 with over 300 people skidded off the runway in Toronto, Canada and burst into flames. Everyone was evacuated in 90 seconds- no fatalities. It comes down to crew training- in this case French- nothing to do with being obedient. Passengers listened to the crew. And no matter who you are or where you’re from, in an emergency-LISTEN to the crew!
Discipline is what saved lives, not blind obedience.
3:08 The repair wasn’t done by Boeing on the 747 crash.
A bad radio handoff at night when unusual flights get inserted into the schedule. Chain of events lead to accidents. Simple as that.
still waiting to see the damaged Coast Guard Plane (Dash 8)... i think we've seen enough of the arriving Airbus at this point.
In this case, it does NOT appear to have been one of the aircraft at fault.
IMO the investigators don't need to examine the wreckage past locating and securing the black boxes to get what information they can from those.
My exact first thought. Plus they are tiny and fit. No other culture and people could do this.
They actually aren’t that tiny and fit, as someone that lives in Japan I can confirm this
yes, the pilot of Coast Guard plane obeyed the instructions.
that would never happen in Canada people will become offended if they were told what to do !
if this happen in USA, the crew gonna be like, stay in your seats, you are not clear for evacuation 😂😂😂
not the back passenger died because its blocked by fat people
Incredible indeed.
Quite believable that Japanese were clever enough to exit quickly. Their slightly diminutive size is a help, and interestingly back in about 2002 the idea was that the Airbus A380 could be extended to possibly carry 1000 people for the Japanese market but only because the seats could be put closer together than for European airlines. It did worry me that if ever an A380 crashed with 1000 people aboard it would be the end of the A380 knowing what the headlines would be in the aftermath.
Not exactly. Remember the Sewol Ferry disaster in korea? There were students on that ship who were obedient to the point of not evacuating and just staying put.
Welp, there goes that talking point I had with my friends now that you made me recall that terrible tragedy.
Two completely different kinds of situations. This plane had a diligent and calm crew who knew what to do in this situation and had hundreds of people who listened to them. They were also at an airport with the emergency services minutes away. The Sewol Ferry disaster were out in the sea, had an incompetent crew and captain who jumped ship, figuratively, and left the 476 people to their own devices. Had these been a competent crew on board and rescue agencies that were not totally inept and incompetent and allowed help from ships nearby, then the outcome would have been different. As someone who teaches in Korea, and did at that time, and is reminded every April 16th about this tragedy, there have been numerous 'autopsies' of the event to know exactly what happened. If the students had been given correct directions, by a competent crew and captain, then we wouldn't still be having memorials every year. This one at Haneda Airport will be much easier to dissect and we'll find out who let two planes be on the runway at the same time. Again, two different kinds of accidents.
Guys just don't go buying flight tickets just because Japan is "safe". You know what happens when everyone wants to come to Japan and cause a huge traffic jam in the air?
In Australia they would have all died because Qantas would have to finish the welcome to country
Ya, I seem to remember a bunch of people ‘doing what they were told’ drowning on a sinking ferry too….
What qualifications has Geoff Thomas to give expert opinion about aviation matters? Perhaps a pilot's license of some type? Engineering? Air navigation? Airfield construction? Aircrew psychology?
Google him and you'll find out. Same as if you Google "fucktard", you'll find yourself 🤣👍
Don't even need to take discipline nor obedience into consideration. In Japan you do disaster drills and practice evacuations constantly from kindergarden because of earthquake risk. Also you are likely to have experience doing real evacuations when a larger earthquake occurs. So staying calm and listening to people in charge of evacuations is something most probably have trained on before.
'They do what they were told'' that's a big line there😂
A lack of diversity should not be overlooked. Cultural Diversity is not a strength.
Except when asked to hold short I guess
I see from the comments here that a lot of you folks aren't into history.
Similar tragedy at LAX about 30 years ago Air traffic control error.
Coast guard plane was directed to taxi to the C5 hold point (though the poor recording I've heard didn't appear to have a hold short of runway command), despite the lack of hold short command the coast guard aircraft should not have entered the runway without direct command to do so.
Thats what Japan is known for 👍