Yes it's inevitable that any brand of any kind of product will look to make the same success as what is selling well, it's all good to have competition though 😊
@@DartsReviewChannel For me, the AXE never worked. Neither the Zero Stress nor the AXE worked for me. ZS felt kinda wobbly to me, the AXE produced more deflections than usual for me. I accidentally stumbled upon the Cuesoul AK5 ,not only cheaper but also working perfectly for me. Improved averages, improved triple and double hits. Condor may have been the first to offer moulded flightsets, but for me they´re not the best. I prefer Cuesoul AK series and am glad Cuesoul "copied" Condor.
@@chrisf.685 At least you found something that works for you which is why I think its fine all these brands are bringing out similar things, there is probably enough difference which means some will like one over another :)
I have tried ALL the moulded flights and moulded flight/stem combos, and I have found, so far, the Condor Axe and K Flex have been the most durable out of the flight/stem combos and Fit flights, Fantom LStyle, and 8 flights have been the most durable and have kept their shape the best out of the moulded flight only systems. I honestly think these Shot ones look really promising in the durability and shape retention category; I’m excited to try them and hope they aren’t inline with other Shot products by costing a lot. Thanks for the review, Darren mate
Yeah still early but I think the others are going to have to go through a lot more testing yet to see if they hold up as well as the Axe have for me. Axe do seem stronger and more durable than the ones of a similar material though. These Flight Deck are working well so far, hit a 180 with them this morning so that is a good sign lol! :) As mentioned in video they are £11.95. Cheers! :)
Thanks, mate. It is neat how helpful and interactive you are with your audience; you seem like a really good dude. But I did have a inquiry…do you happen to have a set of One80 Reloads that you’d be willing to part with for the right price, or know where I could get a set? I have scoured the internet and asked many a person but I can’t find a set period. Let me know, thanks mate.
@@IchliebeHunde58 Thanks! I dont think I have ever had those, is that the long straight barrel version? Think its another one of them darts thats no longer made and hard to find.
Top review, as always pal 😉👌 I use the LStyle at the mo and I'm due a couple of new sets (as I practice with 6 darts) 🥴 I think the carbon rod and spinn definitely makes these very interesting 🤔. Good work @shotdarts 👌👌
I didn't realise until now that Shot had also started to develop such systems. But these make me most curious at the moment, especially because of the rotating mechanism. I will probably test them when they arrive...😉
You might want to give the harrows 360 another chance, They fixed the issue with the early batch making the tips too big making them stiff and hard to turn. They're all I use and use them with l style flight. They rotate perfectly out of the way now. Love the reviews thanks again
@@DartsReviewChannel 🤣 i know, Darren. Actually I like the LStyle Fantom green 🤗 and miss these color with Condor Axe or the Winmau Fusion (but the red & blue are also some nice colors)
Awesome video! I am pretty sure this will be my go-to from now on. I prefer L style carbon spinning shafts. But at this price, these will probably be replacing all my other options. I use a bunch of Cuesoul rost. I like them. It seems like this is the perfect combination for me based on what you said. But i am upset with you. Now i have to wait to get my hands on these. Lol
All manufacturers now jumping on the band wagon and wanting to cash in on the rising popularity of all in one systems. I guess I'll give at least one of the different offerings a go at some point, though I suspect I'll struggle to notice any measurable difference from traditional stems and flights, lol. Thanks for sharing your views with us Darren, much appreciated. 😁😁
I have been testing them for 4 weeks now. I use the short ones. My throw demands a light system for my darts to stand up in the board. However I love the flight through the air they are quite fragile. I broke 3 of them just above the barrel on the spinning nodge. And with 1 I ripped the flight on the bottem site of it. I use 23gr darts with not many grip and a specialty point for no lip. I tried the condor axe, and the winmau fusion, but they are a bit to heavy and seem to hang more in the board. I also tried the l style ez1 flight. They are oke but not the perfect ones for me yet. Maybe give the cuesoul systems a try. How are the cuesouls ones doing for you guys after using them a while? Thanks
Which is why I always think people should ultimately try them for themselves to see what works, mine have had a fair bit of use but still fine so far :)
I found out the cuesoul for some reason work really well without the tail end pointing down I have that same issue with most hard one piece flights. These seem to be similar to cuesoul in mtl
I have the same problem the tail end pointing down (when I front grip, what I normally do) so for Condor and K-Flex I would have to grip rear of the barrel. What is working good for me are Cuesoul (ecsp. Big Flight) and Condor Zero Stress.
@bas6350 Did you test the Cuesoul ones? I am using the Rost T19 and love them, but i use a grippy dart with firestorm points, so no lip on the dart, and it is still eating them like crazy. Thats why i would like to know if the Shot ones are stronger then the cuesouls or not, cuz i need to order again ;)
🎉 I like them mate got I all colurs since video . Inter I use . Been working well mmm condor axe my fav . But I give them a go and yes I like very much
I had fusions and the wing snapped just before a match. Had to take them all out and replace with normal stems and flights as its hard to take spare moulded systems, which i didnt have with me. Nightmare. Just bought these now in short so will see how they go. Also i found really grippy darts shred the edges a lot. I used the gerwyn price Ice Blue SE and the grip seems to destroy the edges on the wings. Smoother barrels no doubt will last longer with them.
@@DartsReviewChannel The shaft inside broke for me (my son). Three have broke so far. Maybe my son is too rough taking them out of the board? The shaft is a weak point for sure and they don't really spin much, if at all anyway. They should make them one piece.
@@jeremyhalenda1965 I would message Shot about your feedback, they will find it helpful. The inside part is carbon but they are not meant to spin freely though. Just turn if hit.
Did you have a look at the deflection at 10:57, to see what caused it? I'm not sure whether the thicker flight causes more deflection out of the board?
Thnx for the video! i have a question, i am on then hunt for a molded flight system but in the kite shape. Do you know of any or can you recommend where to look or ask? Thnx
I was unlucky with the Fusion the other day. I play 22g darts. At first it just cracked a little and I kept playing but then I got a bouncer and the wing came clean off.
I think some have used them, I just cant remember who lol Condor Axe has been a big favourite of mine and the Cuesoul Tero+ have done well, the newer its still a bit too early to decide for sure.
@@DartsReviewChannel right, and Cosmo darts now have some textured ones (like Andrew Gilding special) but the regular printed ones are a bit dull, in my opinon !
I don't want too name them as they're a sound reviewer themselves from the UK but not as detailed reviews as yourself so they may have just been mistaken which is why I came too you for the answer lol ordered some today 👍
Why, I prefer all in one systems, they last me far longer than normal flights. No having to pick the flights up off the floor, no having to make sure the flights are on right and angles right, so much easier for me.
I think these all-in-ones are designed/marketed purely for the "average" consumer. If they actually did something all professionals would be using them. Its purely a gimmick and it doesnt make you a better player. Same with the "nolip"-people, it has become a religion in some groups. I dont have a problem people using them, i have all the versions myself in my "not match darts", but i have a problem with people saying that you need them to progress. Only thing that is going to make you a better player is practice, practice and, you guessed it, practice. Sorry for the rant😄 This wasnt towards Darren, he is the Boss, the Man and the Master of the Universe, i just needed to went some frustration😄 #thehypeisnotreal
nothing is guaranteed to make you a better player though, for me the all in one systems are better in a lot of ways, no picking flights up (which is a good or bad thing depending on how the darts hit the board), no fiddling about inserting flights, also no trying to straighten the wings to 90 degrees, and for me they often last well, so yeah I am fine with them been made for average or casual darters like me lol But some pros have used them its just I think to them a normal set up will be provided by their brand sponsor and they probably have 1000's of them and they are so good that it does not matter what they use, but having said that you would think if they took the time to properly test out such a system and it was only making a small difference then surely that would equate to some slightly noticeable better averages? Has any of them took or had the time to fully test them in such a way though? As pros are already near perfect compared to us it would be good if a few did such a test and find out if small things could make a difference :)
@@DartsReviewChannel Im amazed that you actually took the time to make a well thoughout response to my rant😳 I almost deleated it cos it really didnt belong on your video, but i knew that you wouldnt get upset over that, or at least not show it😄 Proving again that you really are the Man✊ I promise my next million comments will be "normal" 😂
Nothing to get upset about really, when I tell people to find out what suits them best it may not be directly related to the results they get as in my case I may have better scores with a bog standard nylon stem and poly flight but I prefer the all in ones for reasons mentioned 😊 I would still like to see some top pro players doing some kind of test though or even one of those robotic arm things lol
@@DartsReviewChannel That would be a very interesting test. I still feel i need to apologize, i was way out of line to rant like that to someone who has nothing to do with it😔 Maybe M Smith should volunteer to be a test subject for SHOT's version. I saw him on IG responding to someone that he hasnt practiced in 10 months😳 That really baffled me.
@@Cowabunga10101 Thats amazing if he has not practiced but guess it depends what he means by that. There is a difference between just throwing for 30 mins like I do some times and doing doing longer more focused practice on various aspects. Sometimes my only throws of the day are what is in the review as so many things ache all the time lol
Well its all about what is best for you so its good you have tried and found which suits best. K-Flex are doing well but I was flexing the mediums after my review as another test and it almost bent in half and ended up with a kink like I showed in my update video. I think its strong in one direction but weak in another but as the mediums are longer than the ones I am mostly using I think it has more chance of bending wrong. Other than that they are decent but think the Condor Axe is stronger than both Fusions and K-Flex, still early days for the Flight Deck although I just christened them with a 180 this morning :)
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In My opinion, Since the condor axe appeared on the market, all brands have tried to copy it, but they have not yet succeeded. Axe are still the best
Yes it's inevitable that any brand of any kind of product will look to make the same success as what is selling well, it's all good to have competition though 😊
Indeed. Without the competition like this Condors mightve been 50quid in a year!
@@DartsReviewChannel For me, the AXE never worked. Neither the Zero Stress nor the AXE worked for me. ZS felt kinda wobbly to me, the AXE produced more deflections than usual for me. I accidentally stumbled upon the Cuesoul AK5 ,not only cheaper but also working perfectly for me. Improved averages, improved triple and double hits. Condor may have been the first to offer moulded flightsets, but for me they´re not the best. I prefer Cuesoul AK series and am glad Cuesoul "copied" Condor.
Theres copies in temu also I ordered to try those 😁
@@chrisf.685 At least you found something that works for you which is why I think its fine all these brands are bringing out similar things, there is probably enough difference which means some will like one over another :)
Bloody hell every brand is at it now
LOL I said a while ago that lots of brands were bringing them out :)
I have tried ALL the moulded flights and moulded flight/stem combos, and I have found, so far, the Condor Axe and K Flex have been the most durable out of the flight/stem combos and Fit flights, Fantom LStyle, and 8 flights have been the most durable and have kept their shape the best out of the moulded flight only systems. I honestly think these Shot ones look really promising in the durability and shape retention category; I’m excited to try them and hope they aren’t inline with other Shot products by costing a lot. Thanks for the review, Darren mate
Yeah still early but I think the others are going to have to go through a lot more testing yet to see if they hold up as well as the Axe have for me. Axe do seem stronger and more durable than the ones of a similar material though. These Flight Deck are working well so far, hit a 180 with them this morning so that is a good sign lol! :) As mentioned in video they are £11.95. Cheers! :)
Thanks, mate. It is neat how helpful and interactive you are with your audience; you seem like a really good dude. But I did have a inquiry…do you happen to have a set of One80 Reloads that you’d be willing to part with for the right price, or know where I could get a set? I have scoured the internet and asked many a person but I can’t find a set period. Let me know, thanks mate.
@@IchliebeHunde58 Thanks! I dont think I have ever had those, is that the long straight barrel version? Think its another one of them darts thats no longer made and hard to find.
Top review, as always pal 😉👌 I use the LStyle at the mo and I'm due a couple of new sets (as I practice with 6 darts) 🥴 I think the carbon rod and spinn definitely makes these very interesting 🤔.
Good work @shotdarts 👌👌
Thanks mate! :)
I didn't realise until now that Shot had also started to develop such systems.
But these make me most curious at the moment, especially because of the rotating mechanism.
I will probably test them when they arrive...😉
Its their first all in one system :)
@@DartsReviewChannel
Let's see...😉
Nice review as always Darren. Keep up with the great reviews
Thanks, will do! :)
Really like the finish of these shot ones, guess will just have to grab a set to try
Thanks Darren interesting honest review 👍🏻 Looking forward to an update review, we've seen what you can do to stems lol 😂🎯 happy darting 🎯
Lol indeed, cheers mate 👍
Love them transparent ones, great review as normal Daz 🎯👍❤️
Thanks mate! They are working well so far, still early days though :)
You might want to give the harrows 360 another chance, They fixed the issue with the early batch making the tips too big making them stiff and hard to turn. They're all I use and use them with l style flight. They rotate perfectly out of the way now. Love the reviews thanks again
May try them again, cheers mate 👍😊
Thx again! I like the Black one... nice 2nd advent sunday to u 🕯🕯
Thanks 👍👍
Nice photos at the end. Waiting for delivery those nice flights😊
Thanks! 😃
super insights, thx m8 ... hope for some fresher colors in the near future. interesting concept and a little different to the actual moulded trends
Yeah Green will be awesome lol Cheers Olli! :)
@@DartsReviewChannel 🤣 i know, Darren. Actually I like the LStyle Fantom green 🤗 and miss these color with Condor Axe or the Winmau Fusion (but the red & blue are also some nice colors)
@@dartsngear yeah looks good the green fantom 💚
thanks for the good review
i'm going to buy a set they will fit well with my shot darts sets
shot makes beautiful things
kind regards
No problem, thanks 👍
Awesome video! I am pretty sure this will be my go-to from now on. I prefer L style carbon spinning shafts. But at this price, these will probably be replacing all my other options. I use a bunch of Cuesoul rost. I like them. It seems like this is the perfect combination for me based on what you said. But i am upset with you. Now i have to wait to get my hands on these. Lol
Lol not long to wait 😊
@DartsReviewChannel a little long. Until they release, then ship, at least a week. Hopefully, Amazon will have them.
I personally love them.🎉 condor Axe yes git all .but shot are different. And stay strong .
The transparent and the white ones are the most gorgeous.
I'm not sure, but I saw a little rotation on one of your shoots, but I'm not sure.
Yeah think there was, I have been using them a good few hours now and doing well so far :) Hope it continues :)
Every brand has moulded flights now hahaha. Condor will be angry. Good review as always
I think most do but still some to take the plunge, Mission for one. Cheers Glenn! :)
Good comparison Daz 👍🎯🎯🎯
Thanks 👍😊
@ 12:29 I am pretty sure I saw it rotate a bit, but that may be all you need. Shot has become a true premium brand in my opinion.
Yeah think so 👍
YES! FINALLY!!
I'd like one of those fancy shot t-shirts Dazer. XL or XXL 😆👍
😜👕
So many moulded flights out there, i go for the K flex as they are cheaper and do the same job as all of them!
There is and they are cheaper but if the others last longer the price is kind of equalled in time :)
All manufacturers now jumping on the band wagon and wanting to cash in on the rising popularity of all in one systems. I guess I'll give at least one of the different offerings a go at some point, though I suspect I'll struggle to notice any measurable difference from traditional stems and flights, lol.
Thanks for sharing your views with us Darren, much appreciated. 😁😁
Thanks mate, yeah its inevitable they will all want a piece of the pie :)
I have been testing them for 4 weeks now. I use the short ones. My throw demands a light system for my darts to stand up in the board. However I love the flight through the air they are quite fragile. I broke 3 of them just above the barrel on the spinning nodge. And with 1 I ripped the flight on the bottem site of it.
I use 23gr darts with not many grip and a specialty point for no lip.
I tried the condor axe, and the winmau fusion, but they are a bit to heavy and seem to hang more in the board. I also tried the l style ez1 flight. They are oke but not the perfect ones for me yet.
Maybe give the cuesoul systems a try. How are the cuesouls ones doing for you guys after using them a while?
Thanks
Which is why I always think people should ultimately try them for themselves to see what works, mine have had a fair bit of use but still fine so far :)
I found out the cuesoul for some reason work really well without the tail end pointing down I have that same issue with most hard one piece flights. These seem to be similar to cuesoul in mtl
I have the same problem the tail end pointing down (when I front grip, what I normally do) so for Condor and K-Flex I would have to grip rear of the barrel. What is working good for me are Cuesoul (ecsp. Big Flight) and Condor Zero Stress.
@bas6350 Did you test the Cuesoul ones? I am using the Rost T19 and love them, but i use a grippy dart with firestorm points, so no lip on the dart, and it is still eating them like crazy. Thats why i would like to know if the Shot ones are stronger then the cuesouls or not, cuz i need to order again ;)
Great review
🎉 I like them mate got I all colurs since video . Inter I use . Been working well mmm condor axe my fav . But I give them a go and yes I like very much
Good to hear👍
I had fusions and the wing snapped just before a match. Had to take them all out and replace with normal stems and flights as its hard to take spare moulded systems, which i didnt have with me. Nightmare. Just bought these now in short so will see how they go. Also i found really grippy darts shred the edges a lot. I used the gerwyn price Ice Blue SE and the grip seems to destroy the edges on the wings. Smoother barrels no doubt will last longer with them.
yeah grippy darts will wear the flights quicker
Thanks for the video. Are you still using these? If so how have they faired?
I do, not used as much as I would have normally due to my bad elbow but they are holding up quite well so far.
@@DartsReviewChannel The shaft inside broke for me (my son). Three have broke so far. Maybe my son is too rough taking them out of the board? The shaft is a weak point for sure and they don't really spin much, if at all anyway. They should make them one piece.
@@jeremyhalenda1965 I would message Shot about your feedback, they will find it helpful. The inside part is carbon but they are not meant to spin freely though. Just turn if hit.
Did you have a look at the deflection at 10:57, to see what caused it?
I'm not sure whether the thicker flight causes more deflection out of the board?
it was too quick to tell
Would these be the same as l style L1 shape? I can't use k flex or condor as the tail end drops on me due to the smaller shape
Its a normal standard N02 shape
Thnx for the video! i have a question, i am on then hunt for a molded flight system but in the kite shape. Do you know of any or can you recommend where to look or ask? Thnx
www.cuesoul.com/collections/kite-shape-2
I was unlucky with the Fusion the other day. I play 22g darts. At first it just cracked a little and I kept playing but then I got a bouncer and the wing came clean off.
Ouch!
The wing came clean off erm > Its a good job you were not in the air and on a jet plane Mon noo
Maybe if you take them apart and rub the tip with some lube, they will rotate better. Worth a try.
Yeah could do but it is not meant to freely spin anyway 😊
Are we just going back to bar darts?
not really the modern moulded flights are far better than the old bar style ones :)
@@DartsReviewChannel oh I know. Was having a bit of fun. I tried the original Condor. May give these a go as well
@@jschaeff23 Got ya lol! There is also the new Red Dragon Air Wing, not tried them yet :)
Totally agree mate
Are there any pro players using all in one flightsystem? And wich one do you think is the best?
I think some have used them, I just cant remember who lol Condor Axe has been a big favourite of mine and the Cuesoul Tero+ have done well, the newer its still a bit too early to decide for sure.
@@DartsReviewChannel must be Peter Wright 🤣🤣🤣
Clemens and Chizzy i believe using all in one, as i saw
Ross Smith also does
I think he did
Hi darren nice review ! Is there any chance you can review the poseidon darts please because im not sure if i should buy them or not thanks
Thanks 👍 will try 😊
@DartsReviewChannel thanks a lot darren!
Thnx m8...
Wondering why this thing isn't suitable for 2ba?
What do you mean
I am once again begging darts companies to make a moulded flight and stem combo with kite shape flights please
Hopefully for your sake :)
Just use cosmos stuff they give you the option to pick your flight shape unlike the rest which are all in one.
Who else is missing the fun prints of the non-molded flights ?
It's possible to print on them but not in the same way and detail as on poly flights
@@DartsReviewChannel right, and Cosmo darts now have some textured ones (like Andrew Gilding special) but the regular printed ones are a bit dull, in my opinon !
Are these no.6 or no.2 size Darren? It's seems unclear reading online.
No 2
Thanks Darren I watched a few reviews and another reviewer said it's a no.6 so just wanted too confirm with the top dart reviewer on RUclips 👍
@@jaydoyle7380 Who said it was No 6? I dont think they have brought the small standard No 6 out yet.
I don't want too name them as they're a sound reviewer themselves from the UK but not as detailed reviews as yourself so they may have just been mistaken which is why I came too you for the answer lol ordered some today 👍
@@jaydoyle7380 its ok, I was just wondering, maybe they had gotten No 6 to test or something?
Not a fan of that spinning gimmick , i think this might just make them break more easily
Waiting for your reports obv. So far im digging Axe for durability and Rost T19 for performance
It is not a free spinning stem but will have to see how well it lasts 😊
All we need is an all in one dart now.
That has kind of been done already, old Dorwin Darts had all in one barrel and stem and some others were similar 😊
@@DartsReviewChannel I have to bow to your darts knowledge those are ones I've never heard of.
Just buy a few spare stems and flights! These dart companies are really milking it now
Why, I prefer all in one systems, they last me far longer than normal flights. No having to pick the flights up off the floor, no having to make sure the flights are on right and angles right, so much easier for me.
Wot no Green !☹
I know it's terrible, hopefully it will come soon 💚
are those scrath proof dar? unlike those clear molded flights.
As mentioned in video there is a couple of lines but not as visible as on the other systems as it has a kind of textured surface not flat and clear.
I think these all-in-ones are designed/marketed purely for the "average" consumer. If they actually did something all professionals would be using them. Its purely a gimmick and it doesnt make you a better player. Same with the "nolip"-people, it has become a religion in some groups. I dont have a problem people using them, i have all the versions myself in my "not match darts", but i have a problem with people saying that you need them to progress. Only thing that is going to make you a better player is practice, practice and, you guessed it, practice. Sorry for the rant😄 This wasnt towards Darren, he is the Boss, the Man and the Master of the Universe, i just needed to went some frustration😄 #thehypeisnotreal
nothing is guaranteed to make you a better player though, for me the all in one systems are better in a lot of ways, no picking flights up (which is a good or bad thing depending on how the darts hit the board), no fiddling about inserting flights, also no trying to straighten the wings to 90 degrees, and for me they often last well, so yeah I am fine with them been made for average or casual darters like me lol But some pros have used them its just I think to them a normal set up will be provided by their brand sponsor and they probably have 1000's of them and they are so good that it does not matter what they use, but having said that you would think if they took the time to properly test out such a system and it was only making a small difference then surely that would equate to some slightly noticeable better averages? Has any of them took or had the time to fully test them in such a way though? As pros are already near perfect compared to us it would be good if a few did such a test and find out if small things could make a difference :)
@@DartsReviewChannel Im amazed that you actually took the time to make a well thoughout response to my rant😳 I almost deleated it cos it really didnt belong on your video, but i knew that you wouldnt get upset over that, or at least not show it😄 Proving again that you really are the Man✊ I promise my next million comments will be "normal" 😂
Nothing to get upset about really, when I tell people to find out what suits them best it may not be directly related to the results they get as in my case I may have better scores with a bog standard nylon stem and poly flight but I prefer the all in ones for reasons mentioned 😊 I would still like to see some top pro players doing some kind of test though or even one of those robotic arm things lol
@@DartsReviewChannel That would be a very interesting test. I still feel i need to apologize, i was way out of line to rant like that to someone who has nothing to do with it😔 Maybe M Smith should volunteer to be a test subject for SHOT's version. I saw him on IG responding to someone that he hasnt practiced in 10 months😳 That really baffled me.
@@Cowabunga10101 Thats amazing if he has not practiced but guess it depends what he means by that. There is a difference between just throwing for 30 mins like I do some times and doing doing longer more focused practice on various aspects. Sometimes my only throws of the day are what is in the review as so many things ache all the time lol
best moulded flights - condor axe
best spinners - target 8 flights
Didn't know the target 8 had spinners, the ones I had didn't spin?
😎
Just watch some old footage of Alan Evans playing darts...All this modern nonsense of flight and stems ...is just a way to empty your wallet!!
🏁🏁🎯💯
Bar dart flights.... Lol
Winmau fusions ive found yhe best, then k flex
Well its all about what is best for you so its good you have tried and found which suits best. K-Flex are doing well but I was flexing the mediums after my review as another test and it almost bent in half and ended up with a kink like I showed in my update video. I think its strong in one direction but weak in another but as the mediums are longer than the ones I am mostly using I think it has more chance of bending wrong. Other than that they are decent but think the Condor Axe is stronger than both Fusions and K-Flex, still early days for the Flight Deck although I just christened them with a 180 this morning :)