Another potential fun option for you all to try out is the medic build. Faster revive + Full hp on revive can pay huge dividends with the new AI director shenanigans across all difficulties. People go down more, so having more ways to get them back into the fight quickly can be super useful. I haven't run it much yet cuz I prefer DPS, but its a nice option and can be beneficial in pubs
You can run a build that protects the team from ranged dps (the low armor is somewhat negated) tell your team to stack sources of ranged DR then run the squad wide 20% ranged DR (10% more when iron halo is up). Pretty important when trading shots vs a lot of ranged enemies.
Please help, I’ve played almost 20 matches on lethal with no wins…. Literally always 1 person f@&$s it at the end of each run, is there a community or something where you find people to play with? I have no friends I play on Xbox lol
"The Iron Hands are not saviours, nor should we be. A man who cannot save himself is weak, and the weak do not deserve to be saved. For such a man, only death is fitting. This, we can provide."
I used to be a firm accuracy Heavy Bolter player But the venting Heavy Bolter + perk that gives you 30% contested health regain is a damn good combo for Heavy Bolter. As long as you're shooting something with the Heavy Bolter insane firing rate you will never lose health. Accuracy is overrated when the horde is in your face. Just hold down the trigger be immortal.
I get accuracy bloom a bit, guns inherently have deviation irl. But aside from the Heavy bolter on full auto I hate that games where you are a Power Armor clad Super Soldier I should have no issues hip firing nearly any "Normal weapon" with no accuracy penalty. I get it's for game play and or balance. But let me live my power fantasy. Any media with Space Marines have them with near unerring accuracy on the move. Pull out a Plasma pistol in this game. You might hit the broad side of a barn... maybe.
I just watched a lore video on Ferrus Manus a couple of days ago (Explaining Warhammer 40k Lore to my Girlfriend by the channel NUMBSKULLS has been a really fun series) and I was thinking just how much the Iron Hands fits Straban's personality. Simple, straight-forward, efficient. It doesn't need to be flashy; if it gets the job done, then it's good enough.
@@Khotetsu I love NUMBSKULLS videos, and hearing that they've done an episode on Ferrus Manus (1 hour and 20 minutes long too!) has made my day! Thanks dude! Also 100% agree on Straban, he's definitely an Iron Hand kidnapped by the Ultramarines. His emote/quote "Administering standard moral boost: For the Emperor!" is such an Iron Hands line.
After slowing leveling the Heavy Bolter...I finally discovered the one with better venting speed. What they dont tell you(in the criminally bad explanations of descriptions), is that it venting speed ALSO helps reduce heat buildup. With headshots, juggling the 50% heat extra damage, heavy stance damage, extra damage with shield up or cooldown, and over penetration, im getting 35-40k+ damage and over 1k kills
Heavy bolter doesn’t have any dmg problems in almost any setup, it’s only but very crucial weakness is that you can’t clutch with it - “balance” defensive style and zero aoe dmg. Got surrounded by 3+ elites and a swarm, you are dead after one missed parry
@@leonidemelin1131 I just keep unloading into their face. 9 out of 10 times, they'll die in their attack animation before they hit you. Just believe that the emperor protects. Minor aoe damage comes from over penetration and leveling aim at guant heads. Defense is offense. Kill a bunch of enemies quickly, 1 armor back. Iron Halo goes down with shortened cooldown, everybody gets 1 armor back. Someone is about to attack you, youll most likely have invuln frames with an execution nearby
The 50% heat damage buff is good. But I prefer the contested health regain, that shit makes you damn near immortal as long as you're shooting something with Heavy Bolter, and better venting = longer barrage.
@@leonidemelin1131You need to learn how to do the stomp and that does area effect and knocks everything around you back and you can do that, stomp over and over and it also gives you gun strikes.
My problem with the heavy class is that i've gotten good enough with it that my friends think Ruthless / lethal is "no problem", but if i make ONE mistake, we lose xD
😂😂 this happened yesterday to me but I was a lvl 6 heavy with green level heavy bolter, lucky me though I was able to recover by parrying the lictors until a pistol finish
Absolutely. At Lethal, 2 missed parries from a whip Tyranid or a power sword Terminator and you're almost certainly doomed. Even if you don't die, you have to panic roll and try to get HP/armour back, and thats 15-20 crucial seconds of dealing zero DPS for the team. It quickly snowballs into defeat from there. I main Heavy Bolter on Ruthless/Lethal runs nowadays and it is extremely easy to screw up the whole mission if you don't pay attention.
The heavy bolter is amazing against Tyranids as they will approach in a massive hoard and you can ramp up the cyclic rate and just start popping heads. Against the Chaos enemies, it suffers from the fact that they teleport everywhere. By the time you get your bolter humming, they have inevitably warped across the room and you're left with a choice of two bad options. Option A.) Keep that motor running and burn ammo as you wheel around and reacquire the target. Option B.) Stop firing and reacquire your target, but suffer the cyclic rate dropoff and corredsponding decline in dps when you start firing again. This is why I prefer the heavy plasma against Chaos. The waves of Chaos that spawn heavily telegraph their arrival with that pool of warp energy that appears on the ground and it might was well be a neon sign that says "lob fully charged plasma shot here."
@@leonidemelin1131 I have 11 lethal clears on Heavy without a single loss. Tell me more about how shitty I am at the game. Or better yet, tell me how "positioning" changes the fact that Chaos Marines teleport and prevent you from maintaining consistent fire.
All of my gripes with the Heavy bolter are aesthetic ones. You obviously cannot carry 450+ rounds in that small magazine. I really want it to be changed to being fed from a backpack with an ammo belt. The other tubes are what provide power and coolant to the weapon, not ammo. It would look much cooler imo. Gameplay wise it feels pretty good.
That’s true for literally every bolt weapon in 40k history… even Calgar’s gauntlet-mounted storm bolsters which ARE fed from a backpack wouldn’t hold 500 rounds.
*plants flag nearby* “alright so just kill that guy and…” “Uhhh… okay?” *spews blood and staggers to feet, stabbing a dying Gaunt before watching as grievous wounds close before his eyes*
@@pennywise1682 yea extra ammo is nice, but Vanguard has the perk that gives u 15% ability recharge with each execution, and gives the vanguard a chunk of health with each execution. It's literally an unkillable class. Too bad heavy has a kind of useless ability unless PVP, but with classes with insane ability like Bulwark and tactical it's a dream class. Everyone gets ability back after few executions. That means auspex scan all the time and Banners everywhere as bulwark, no mortal wounds, no problem!! Also the Vanuard has the perk that gives u back grenades, which with melta u can keep getting it back every time cuz u can always get 10 kills in a row with it. it's like infinite melta bombs, too bad they got nerfed vs bosses tho.
Heavy and Tactical basically duo lethal together. We did this for 4 lethal runs last night and our Bulwark was only doing like 5k damage per run. We had overwhelming firepower and we were just nuking everything. We had a Bulwark who understood the assignment and just acted as a bodyguard, peeling for the ranged dps and providing banner heals.
How lore accurate, brother. Me, otoh, I am a simple man. I love using Templars for heavy bolter, templars for multi melta, and templars for plasma, because as a templar I regard it as a sidearm. We engage in the glory of melee no matter what, because we are the best. Suck on it, cousins.
I've been running full heal on revive for heavy bolter in lethal. It's just too op for healing mortal wound instantly in comparison to a little more ammo. Can even greed and heal wound when you take damage but it's risky.
I ran the ammo increase for all my Lethal runs on heavy since I use the plasma incinerator with the venting speed variant along with the plasma pistol. 2 plasma weapons drain ammo disgustingly fast and I regularly get down to the last few shots before getting to the next ammo cache/resupply station
The only thing I don't love about the Heavy Bolter (and all bolt guns in general) is the complete lack of stagger. There's no reason anything short of a Carnifex should be able to run through a hail of bolt fire like it isn't even there
If you hold fire and tap aim instead you get a REALLY good 5-7 round burst with almost perfect constantly resetting accuracy with nearly full auto fire
heavy bolter heavy has been my go to since day one. Im always the top of the leader board for damage Im always the center of my teams strategy. Everytime we encounter a new situation it was always how do we keep heavy bolter man safe until the problem is dead. Feels good super fun build my favorite in the game probably.
The heavy bolter is really good and I still think the heavy plasma is slept on, but I understand why. Lobbing those charged shots and missing is very punishing and it takes more time to get good at. But the fact I can down Zoanthropes in two charged shots and lob a couple charged shots into a mob of majoris enemies and boom they're gone is so satisfying. When I first started playing heavy I tried running the multi melta and while it is good, I just found I didn't enjoy the class with that weapon. The class feels so much more rounded and able to fight anything with the heavy bolter or heavy plasma.
"Nooooooooo, you need the Melta for big Waveclear!" "Nooooooooo, you need heavy plasma, its OP when charged!" My Ork brain: "Haha, Heavy Bolter go Dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka!"
Yes, you don't hold the trigger down and your Bloom doesn't get that big. So you can use the higher damage variant. I get head shots with it all the time.
I focus on accuracy for Heavy Bolter as well. Sweeping the reticle across the top of a horde of Tzeench demons scores dozens of headshots easily. You can also pour 30 rounds into a Chaos Astartes' head easily even if they teleport across the field.
I like the choice to go for equipment restoration, but honestly think the perk could definitely use a buff to smth like 120 seconds Every 3 minutes just seems a bit off Also would be wonderful if we could see all the perk statuses / cooldowns at the top Currently only some are displayed
I would always run the full HP on revive in lethal tbh, if used correctly you can get up to 5 stim packs worth of HP back for the price of 1. 5 stims and by default you get 2 stim packs worth of healing
Having a Heavy Gunner in your Team to play on Lethal is some kind of must have imo. The skill he learns on LVL21 is insane and his Halo makes the Tactician even deadlier. The Meta ( In my opinion only ) for Lethal would be: Heavy, Tactician and Bullwark.
Swapped out 1 of the Heavy Precision perks in Artificer tree for Fast Venting in the Relic tree. Have to adjust the play-style you talked about in the vid *slightly; stay aware of your Heat gauge, but for me, I like the higher DPS potential with your MG cooling much quicker & can get back on the trigger sooner, after any action.
Love relic heavy volter too. But I have full top perks, minus the last one, where I choose 10 less heat generation, instead of 10% damage to terminus enemies. Extra ammo on top perk allows to choose 20% ranged damage reduction (which is far netter for the team), instead of extra ammo. Also the immunity to be knocked down on heavy state is really good for survivability. The amount of face tank damage you can sustain with it is quite insane.
Can I just say I'm trying to level up all the classes but watching this just makes me want to play heavy. It's my favorite class but I've pretty much maxed it out. Decisions...
1. It’s crazy how there is no full heavy bolter squad for Primaris Marines. 2. Is there a mod that replaces the ingame music with darktides yet? 3. Is there a mod that makes the bolters louder yet?
Has anyone else been experiencing an issue parrying the whip weapon with Heavy? I parry the first swing of the whip, then they swing the second time and when I parry the second swing, sometimes it goes straight through me like I wasn't there. No block, no damage, just a straight miss, even though the attack went right through me. Which wouldn't be that bad except the whips third, fourth, and fifth attacks are so fast that the missed parry means you get hit by at least two of the three swings (sometimes the third swing goes straight through me and misses as well). Is this some kind of timing issue? Or is there maybe some kind of bug with the hit box for the whip?
I love the heavy bolter the most out of the 3 heavy weapons, but the one reason I use the heavy plasma way more over the heavy bolter, is that "can't dodge while in heavy ADS" thing which only applies to this class...
After trying out all the relic heavy bolters I can't move away from the accuracy one. I shred hoards of nids, tzzangs might as well not even have shields and even the majoris enemies. Rubrics don't even get the chance to teleport when I dump several bolts in their dome. It's the best version without a doubt.
Honestly I hope at some point we get games that focus more on the chaos side of things. A DeathGuard game would go so hard because they have probably the most unique weapons in the entire setting. I also wish the Heavy Bolter was actually belt feed and not some impossible 600+ round mag ^^
Please no. Every warhammer game has felt obligated to add chaos and especially nurgle. This game added tzneech and still everyone only likes the tyranids. People need a little break from the chaos. Tyranids are awesome. Necrons would be cool next. Maybe even orks again because they have so much character. Orks and nids would've been an elite combination!
@@connordent9753 I think what he meant was a game oriented on Chaos marine instead of playing the good guys. I would love for an RPG Chaos marine getting stranded somewhere and have to fight against the good guys. Lore wise, he can steal the armour or weapon parts from Astartes as Chaos are using old techs.
@@connordent9753Necrons would be amazing but should not be a primary adversary. The problem is that there's no way to balance Necron weapons without breaking lore, as their weapons essentially insta kill everything they hit.
@@connordent9753unless they did a game focused around Psykers that use the warp to regenerate tissue, theoretically warp magic could cancel out the damage from Necron weaponry.
@milkandcookies Can you do general tips on each class? When to roll out vs when to parry etc etc. I can beat Lethal with friend but solo everything seems to fall apart! Great content !
For the team perk imo the range damage reduction is way better because you can survive longer. Ranged units on ruthless and lethal hit very hard and the DR is very good to have.
all three are so good they could best other classes entirely. but if i have to pick one, it’s ammo. larger mag size alone is crazy, but also ammo replenishment is % based so you get 25% more as well!
@@ShupperDupper The range damage reduction is just way more valuable at the higher levels atm. Range damage chunks you on the higher difficulties. I never really have that much ammo problems once I get to relic and have good perks. On lethal you could probably get away with it but that DR is just way too valuable imo.
I definitely feel like they need to increase the base accuracy of the heavy bolter. That one specific variant kicks ass, but all of the other ones are pretty trash. The base spread on that thing is absolutely stupid.
You just made me realize the real crossover content we need is with Darktide. The soundtrack specifically...Jesper Kyd needs to drop some tracks for SM2
FYI the damage difference between white and relic on most guns is only about 30% its more so the perks on the weapons that give the biggest difference so the 1 extra damage on the relic tier is really more like 3% extra damage lol
So ive been running the -20% ranged damage middle perk with duration down but cd up, with the + damage on cooldown and +damage while up, with the aoe when the shield is depleted and an armour pip for everyone too. It just seems so good to have.
What key do you have heavy stance equipped to? I'm trying to work on my roll out of heavy stance reaction time. I need to work on when to abandon ship.
It's so annoying as a heavy when everyone seems to keep getting in front of my fire. As someone who plays other classes, I try to approach enemies at their flank or position myself out of the direct line of fire.
was on Discord and reddit, i promise the dev confirmed it was unintended in the official discord, saw it myself. but not tryna find it again lol. They didn't say anything official about fixing it yet, just that the fat-rolling was unintended
@@milkandcookiesTWi was looking for it myself and had trouble finding the official source on that. if it’s not too much trouble, it would be appreciated!
Is it possible to play as a normal Space marine and not primarily, i feel like there should only be a handfull primaris not the majority as it feels now
Are you saying, that there are weapons other than the Heavy Bolter. That sounds like some heresy. But i hear Immortal Imperium in the background, so i forgive you.
new to the game, love the heavy and the heavy bolter but struggling to beat substantial difficulty missions. when larger tyranid enemies rush and focus me i can't do diddly piddly. any advice yall?
i personally didnt invest anything in accuracy and went all in on ammo and weapon cooling. nothing beats tearing into huge blobs and watching them become mist without taking your finger off the trigger. ive had many games where i let myself get swamped and just keep firing point blank without going down
charged plasma pistol doesnt do damage to em, but it does open them up. chain that in a group to soften or switch to bolter. besides that, learn to parry/dodge and gunstrike.
they're both quite viable on any difficulty, so id just play whatever im feeling. but Heavy plasma is probably better, just because it can put like 4 or 5 majoris into red with a single charged shot
Although I find this to be the worst gun on heavy, it's still INSANE good. Heavy is just a beast of a class. I'm doing lethal RN with a green level Heavy Plasma, can't wait till it's Relic and I can charge it as fast as plasma pistol and 1 shot everything!! And of course, my multi melta was my 1st ever main weapon! Heavy is just so manly...
Don't just hold trigger down for ANY weapon unless ur up close, if you want accurate weapons, the spread will reset if u just tap the trigger instead of hold it. And head shots kill everything about 50-80% faster, period. Thats why the instigator Carbine is one of the best guns in the game, it resets its self after 3 round burst, but this can be achieved manually too.
@@Tayletubby whats funny is I can literally just stream my ps5 on youtube with the helm I just got, but yea, keep following me around dude. Only reason lethal took me so long to get all 7 is cuz people like u with no xp who can't even beat minimal.. then u cry to nerf the game.
@@ShupperDupper yea im grinding to relic it, I got it on purple level rn and im clearing ruthless. I'm making a lethal build, got all 7 done but ik we're getting new stuff very soon again, i'll be ready!
@@Tayletubby you've literally been spamming every comment section im in complaining about the game being too hard, ik ur a newbie bro I bet u couldn't even clear a min difficulty but ur jumping straight into lethal.. lol I can prove I got my helm and sword, can u?
My main issue with bolters and heavy bolters especially are simple: for some reason devs decided that is should be a headshot semi-sniper weapons (are you kidding me) AND, more importantly, it's sound design and feel is EXTREMLY unsatisfying, when comparing it to my beloved Darktide. It's not a bad weapon, it's just...meh and don't feel all that good. Well, for me anyway. Hopefully, coming patches will fix some of those issues, but thanks for the build - would love to give this thing another try!
Pretty sure I left a comment telling you about the heavy bolter before the game got released. Just people were busy getting clicks with the broken meltas.
Let’s be real, it’s the worst of the 3 options and really isn’t that good especially in lethal. It makes you extremely vulnerable, force you to fire for a long time to archive anything, doesn’t stagger, is almost useless against warriors. Lets hope it gets a big buff this week with the balance patch Edit : and the ammo economy is beyond awful compared to the 2 other options
Friends and i played all 7 missions on lethal difficulty today, took 6 hours and only failed twice, once on fall of atreus (to a hellbrute, we were in shambles when it spawned) and once on decap to the tyrant. We used vanguard assault and bulwark dor all except decap, then we switched to tactical sniper bulwark. The assault player didnt have vanguard leveled up, but had sniper. I highly recommend having a sniper and bulwark with heavy OR tactical and bulwark for survivability and dmg increase
@@waynerolstone7165 Little bro just told me to self-delete because he got called out for being wrong. Even if he was correct (which he genuinely, 100% isn't and no amount of malding and crying is going to change that.), he lost this argument without a single doubt.
I run dbl plasmas on my Heavy, played and completed all 7 ops on Lethal with randoms. Not one failed mission. I may try the heavy bolter & melta soon since I havent touched them at all with my Heavy
As a Heavy main and Heavy Boltor believer, I would disagree. The reality of it, anything below Relic tier, a Heavy with a Boltor is a detriment to your team. It's either you just pray your team can carry or your team are playing a 2 man team with you lugging around.
i was dropping 15-20,000 damage with green and purple tier heavy bolter on Ruthless before the patch and taking least damage. as I said, its not amazing til Relic, but its perfectly playable. And if you're decent at the game, you wont be a detriment. But sure, before Relic there are better options on Heavy. for sure a Green tier melta or Green tier Plasma is better than a Green tier heavy bolter
@@griffinmckenzie7203ah the classic ‘skill issue’ response to any differing opinion. The heavy bolter below Relic is just straight up worse than the other options. You get swarmed way too easily, and have major trouble clutching up. I do fine in those situations with other classes and weapons.
There is more issue involving the Hierophant operation that you're forgetting to mention: No matter the difficulty you play it on, IT WILL NEVER FUCKING LOAD IN AT ALL! You ONLY GET A PERPETUAL BLACK SCREEN BEFORE CRASHING!
Sry. But HB is just bad cause of enemy mechanics. U just do no dmg against swords tyranids blocking all shoots. When you dakka at whip it start jump non stop and no one can aim it. Why melta and plasma best- u just can hit and run for short period of time even in melee combat. And plasma just do twice more dmg on single target.
Another potential fun option for you all to try out is the medic build. Faster revive + Full hp on revive can pay huge dividends with the new AI director shenanigans across all difficulties. People go down more, so having more ways to get them back into the fight quickly can be super useful. I haven't run it much yet cuz I prefer DPS, but its a nice option and can be beneficial in pubs
You can run a build that protects the team from ranged dps (the low armor is somewhat negated) tell your team to stack sources of ranged DR then run the squad wide 20% ranged DR (10% more when iron halo is up). Pretty important when trading shots vs a lot of ranged enemies.
Please help, I’ve played almost 20 matches on lethal with no wins…. Literally always 1 person f@&$s it at the end of each run, is there a community or something where you find people to play with? I have no friends I play on Xbox lol
"The Iron Hands are not saviours, nor should we be. A man who cannot save himself is weak, and the weak do not deserve to be saved. For such a man, only death is fitting. This, we can provide."
A tip when your playing with a heavy bolter heavy: peel enemys that go into melee range with him, he wil thank you in kind by mowing down everything
Can confirm that I'm more than happy to get rid of small fries and range majors.
of course, Bulwark, Heavy and tactical are the best classes for lethal rn. Vanguard is great too!
I mean, yeah, but his heavy melee is free armor too, so I wouldn't just write it off
@@ZephyrusAsmodeus everyones melee is free armor just parry lol
What does it to peel???
I used to be a firm accuracy Heavy Bolter player
But the venting Heavy Bolter + perk that gives you 30% contested health regain is a damn good combo for Heavy Bolter.
As long as you're shooting something with the Heavy Bolter insane firing rate you will never lose health. Accuracy is overrated when the horde is in your face. Just hold down the trigger be immortal.
I get accuracy bloom a bit, guns inherently have deviation irl. But aside from the Heavy bolter on full auto I hate that games where you are a Power Armor clad Super Soldier I should have no issues hip firing nearly any "Normal weapon" with no accuracy penalty. I get it's for game play and or balance. But let me live my power fantasy. Any media with Space Marines have them with near unerring accuracy on the move. Pull out a Plasma pistol in this game. You might hit the broad side of a barn... maybe.
Loving the choice of Iron Hands colours for the heavy, represent!
I just watched a lore video on Ferrus Manus a couple of days ago (Explaining Warhammer 40k Lore to my Girlfriend by the channel NUMBSKULLS has been a really fun series) and I was thinking just how much the Iron Hands fits Straban's personality. Simple, straight-forward, efficient. It doesn't need to be flashy; if it gets the job done, then it's good enough.
I used a heavy bolter once…..then I took an arrow to the arm
heavy is such a chad class
i prefer a techmarine if you run full hp perk!
@@Khotetsu I love NUMBSKULLS videos, and hearing that they've done an episode on Ferrus Manus (1 hour and 20 minutes long too!) has made my day! Thanks dude!
Also 100% agree on Straban, he's definitely an Iron Hand kidnapped by the Ultramarines. His emote/quote "Administering standard moral boost: For the Emperor!" is such an Iron Hands line.
After slowing leveling the Heavy Bolter...I finally discovered the one with better venting speed. What they dont tell you(in the criminally bad explanations of descriptions), is that it venting speed ALSO helps reduce heat buildup. With headshots, juggling the 50% heat extra damage, heavy stance damage, extra damage with shield up or cooldown, and over penetration, im getting 35-40k+ damage and over 1k kills
Thank you for this, I will be Imperial Fisting even harder now
Heavy bolter doesn’t have any dmg problems in almost any setup, it’s only but very crucial weakness is that you can’t clutch with it - “balance” defensive style and zero aoe dmg.
Got surrounded by 3+ elites and a swarm, you are dead after one missed parry
@@leonidemelin1131 I just keep unloading into their face. 9 out of 10 times, they'll die in their attack animation before they hit you. Just believe that the emperor protects. Minor aoe damage comes from over penetration and leveling aim at guant heads. Defense is offense. Kill a bunch of enemies quickly, 1 armor back. Iron Halo goes down with shortened cooldown, everybody gets 1 armor back. Someone is about to attack you, youll most likely have invuln frames with an execution nearby
The 50% heat damage buff is good.
But I prefer the contested health regain, that shit makes you damn near immortal as long as you're shooting something with Heavy Bolter, and better venting = longer barrage.
@@leonidemelin1131You need to learn how to do the stomp and that does area effect and knocks everything around you back and you can do that, stomp over and over and it also gives you gun strikes.
My problem with the heavy class is that i've gotten good enough with it that my friends think Ruthless / lethal is "no problem", but if i make ONE mistake, we lose xD
I agree, I pretty much can hold a choke point alone with Heavy but the moment a Lictor jumps me, my team immediately falls apart and lose our run
😂😂 this happened yesterday to me but I was a lvl 6 heavy with green level heavy bolter, lucky me though I was able to recover by parrying the lictors until a pistol finish
Absolutely. At Lethal, 2 missed parries from a whip Tyranid or a power sword Terminator and you're almost certainly doomed. Even if you don't die, you have to panic roll and try to get HP/armour back, and thats 15-20 crucial seconds of dealing zero DPS for the team. It quickly snowballs into defeat from there. I main Heavy Bolter on Ruthless/Lethal runs nowadays and it is extremely easy to screw up the whole mission if you don't pay attention.
The heavy bolter is amazing against Tyranids as they will approach in a massive hoard and you can ramp up the cyclic rate and just start popping heads. Against the Chaos enemies, it suffers from the fact that they teleport everywhere. By the time you get your bolter humming, they have inevitably warped across the room and you're left with a choice of two bad options. Option A.) Keep that motor running and burn ammo as you wheel around and reacquire the target. Option B.) Stop firing and reacquire your target, but suffer the cyclic rate dropoff and corredsponding decline in dps when you start firing again.
This is why I prefer the heavy plasma against Chaos. The waves of Chaos that spawn heavily telegraph their arrival with that pool of warp energy that appears on the ground and it might was well be a neon sign that says "lob fully charged plasma shot here."
You are clearly have a lot of positioning mistakes - bolter is actually much easy to play and effective against chaos
@@leonidemelin1131 I have 11 lethal clears on Heavy without a single loss. Tell me more about how shitty I am at the game. Or better yet, tell me how "positioning" changes the fact that Chaos Marines teleport and prevent you from maintaining consistent fire.
@@connman8d617 he didnt call u shitty at the game u idiot, he just said you had bad positioning.
Very wise tips will use them for sure! Especially the plasma against chaos seems pretty solid! Cherrs🎉🎉🎉
6:53 Heavy Bolter Weapon Perks.
7:23 Heavy Perk Tree.
All of my gripes with the Heavy bolter are aesthetic ones. You obviously cannot carry 450+ rounds in that small magazine. I really want it to be changed to being fed from a backpack with an ammo belt. The other tubes are what provide power and coolant to the weapon, not ammo. It would look much cooler imo. Gameplay wise it feels pretty good.
Like in old times
Same, and I also hate the fact Heavy has a dodge roll.
That’s true for literally every bolt weapon in 40k history… even Calgar’s gauntlet-mounted storm bolsters which ARE fed from a backpack wouldn’t hold 500 rounds.
Yeah i miss the devastator backpacks
40,000 years future tech, amazing 🎉
My Ideal LETHAL classes as team in lethal is Tactical, Vanguard and Bulwark, but HEAVY is always a welcome addiction! It was my 1st main class..
*plants flag nearby* “alright so just kill that guy and…”
“Uhhh… okay?” *spews blood and staggers to feet, stabbing a dying Gaunt before watching as grievous wounds close before his eyes*
I prefer a Heavy over a Vanguard...
@@pennywise1682 yea extra ammo is nice, but Vanguard has the perk that gives u 15% ability recharge with each execution, and gives the vanguard a chunk of health with each execution. It's literally an unkillable class. Too bad heavy has a kind of useless ability unless PVP, but with classes with insane ability like Bulwark and tactical it's a dream class. Everyone gets ability back after few executions. That means auspex scan all the time and Banners everywhere as bulwark, no mortal wounds, no problem!! Also the Vanuard has the perk that gives u back grenades, which with melta u can keep getting it back every time cuz u can always get 10 kills in a row with it. it's like infinite melta bombs, too bad they got nerfed vs bosses tho.
@@JohnJohn-r4l I just found out if you pop a stim while the flg is up you heal mortal wound, this is a MUST for lethla mode too!
Heavy and Tactical basically duo lethal together. We did this for 4 lethal runs last night and our Bulwark was only doing like 5k damage per run. We had overwhelming firepower and we were just nuking everything. We had a Bulwark who understood the assignment and just acted as a bodyguard, peeling for the ranged dps and providing banner heals.
Sick somersaults bro
thx bro
I love using Imperial fists when using the Heavy Bolter.
Salamanders when using the Multi-Melta
And Dark Angels when using the Plasma.
How lore accurate, brother. Me, otoh, I am a simple man. I love using Templars for heavy bolter, templars for multi melta, and templars for plasma, because as a templar I regard it as a sidearm. We engage in the glory of melee no matter what, because we are the best. Suck on it, cousins.
Salamanders for everything multi melta heavy bolter or plasma 🎉❤😅
Gorman: short controlled burst. You hear me vasquez?
You always were an asshole Gorman
I've been running full heal on revive for heavy bolter in lethal. It's just too op for healing mortal wound instantly in comparison to a little more ammo. Can even greed and heal wound when you take damage but it's risky.
yeah there is no way im playing with randoms without bonds of brothehood
its quite good, especially for pubs yeah
I ran the ammo increase for all my Lethal runs on heavy since I use the plasma incinerator with the venting speed variant along with the plasma pistol. 2 plasma weapons drain ammo disgustingly fast and I regularly get down to the last few shots before getting to the next ammo cache/resupply station
The only thing I don't love about the Heavy Bolter (and all bolt guns in general) is the complete lack of stagger.
There's no reason anything short of a Carnifex should be able to run through a hail of bolt fire like it isn't even there
True
and the annoying duel sword guys that block every shot till you over heat and force you to use a charged shot from the plasma pistol just to break it
Thanks man I’ve been running the heavy bolter and wasn’t sure about the penetration upgrade. Definitely adding it
Love the DT music in the background
If you hold fire and tap aim instead you get a REALLY good 5-7 round burst with almost perfect constantly resetting accuracy with nearly full auto fire
heavy bolter heavy has been my go to since day one. Im always the top of the leader board for damage Im always the center of my teams strategy. Everytime we encounter a new situation it was always how do we keep heavy bolter man safe until the problem is dead. Feels good super fun build my favorite in the game probably.
You run the exact build that I do bud. Respect 🤣 glad to see my boy the Heavy Bolter getting the love it deserves.
Just started playing heavy and man it’s so much fun
The heavy bolter is really good and I still think the heavy plasma is slept on, but I understand why. Lobbing those charged shots and missing is very punishing and it takes more time to get good at. But the fact I can down Zoanthropes in two charged shots and lob a couple charged shots into a mob of majoris enemies and boom they're gone is so satisfying.
When I first started playing heavy I tried running the multi melta and while it is good, I just found I didn't enjoy the class with that weapon. The class feels so much more rounded and able to fight anything with the heavy bolter or heavy plasma.
I like the remark to not always hold down the trigger. We should always embrace our inner ogryn somedays
"Nooooooooo, you need the Melta for big Waveclear!"
"Nooooooooo, you need heavy plasma, its OP when charged!"
My Ork brain:
"Haha, Heavy Bolter go Dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka!"
Yes, you don't hold the trigger down and your Bloom doesn't get that big. So you can use the higher damage variant. I get head shots with it all the time.
I focus on accuracy for Heavy Bolter as well. Sweeping the reticle across the top of a horde of Tzeench demons scores dozens of headshots easily. You can also pour 30 rounds into a Chaos Astartes' head easily even if they teleport across the field.
Termination... "FREAKIN HARD!"... I felt that....😢
Got the helm... 😅
I like the choice to go for equipment restoration, but honestly think the perk could definitely use a buff to smth like 120 seconds
Every 3 minutes just seems a bit off
Also would be wonderful if we could see all the perk statuses / cooldowns at the top
Currently only some are displayed
I would always run the full HP on revive in lethal tbh, if used correctly you can get up to 5 stim packs worth of HP back for the price of 1. 5 stims and by default you get 2 stim packs worth of healing
Having a Heavy Gunner in your Team to play on Lethal is some kind of must have imo. The skill he learns on LVL21 is insane and his Halo makes the Tactician even deadlier. The Meta ( In my opinion only ) for Lethal would be: Heavy, Tactician and Bullwark.
Swapped out 1 of the Heavy Precision perks in Artificer tree for Fast Venting in the Relic tree. Have to adjust the play-style you talked about in the vid *slightly; stay aware of your Heat gauge, but for me, I like the higher DPS potential with your MG cooling much quicker & can get back on the trigger sooner, after any action.
Love relic heavy volter too. But I have full top perks, minus the last one, where I choose 10 less heat generation, instead of 10% damage to terminus enemies. Extra ammo on top perk allows to choose 20% ranged damage reduction (which is far netter for the team), instead of extra ammo. Also the immunity to be knocked down on heavy state is really good for survivability. The amount of face tank damage you can sustain with it is quite insane.
Can I just say I'm trying to level up all the classes but watching this just makes me want to play heavy. It's my favorite class but I've pretty much maxed it out. Decisions...
It's the sound. Come get some!
1. It’s crazy how there is no full heavy bolter squad for Primaris Marines.
2. Is there a mod that replaces the ingame music with darktides yet?
3. Is there a mod that makes the bolters louder yet?
That's fair, some level of discipline on the trigger when facing hordes of tyranids.
Improved space hulk🎉
IRONNNN HAAAAANDS!!!🦾🦿🩶 Brother! I wish the heavy B sounded and stuttered like it does in SM1 but I'll take it.
3:36 ROCK AND STONE, BROTHA!
Has anyone else been experiencing an issue parrying the whip weapon with Heavy? I parry the first swing of the whip, then they swing the second time and when I parry the second swing, sometimes it goes straight through me like I wasn't there. No block, no damage, just a straight miss, even though the attack went right through me. Which wouldn't be that bad except the whips third, fourth, and fifth attacks are so fast that the missed parry means you get hit by at least two of the three swings (sometimes the third swing goes straight through me and misses as well). Is this some kind of timing issue? Or is there maybe some kind of bug with the hit box for the whip?
This is a bug I think because it happens with warrior basic swings sometimes too, which is super annoying when you know you timed it right.
Not just heavy it happens with every class for me. Also not only the whip guys, i thought i was going crazy at first but apparently it's a bug.
Okay so other people are getting it with other attack types too
That's interesting, so far for me it's only the whip, and only vs heavys parry
THANK YOUUU!!! I was going insane! It has happened a numerous times but not that often. But it has killed me
I love the heavy bolter the most out of the 3 heavy weapons, but the one reason I use the heavy plasma way more over the heavy bolter, is that "can't dodge while in heavy ADS" thing which only applies to this class...
Yeah because unlike other classes, you go into heavy stance while ADS, I know it's bs but it is what it is
I mean, just have the ADS on hold and release it THEN dodge :)
After trying out all the relic heavy bolters I can't move away from the accuracy one. I shred hoards of nids, tzzangs might as well not even have shields and even the majoris enemies. Rubrics don't even get the chance to teleport when I dump several bolts in their dome. It's the best version without a doubt.
Liked the vid for the stomp stomp joke
Honestly I hope at some point we get games that focus more on the chaos side of things.
A DeathGuard game would go so hard because they have probably the most unique weapons in the entire setting.
I also wish the Heavy Bolter was actually belt feed and not some impossible 600+ round mag ^^
Please no. Every warhammer game has felt obligated to add chaos and especially nurgle. This game added tzneech and still everyone only likes the tyranids. People need a little break from the chaos. Tyranids are awesome. Necrons would be cool next. Maybe even orks again because they have so much character. Orks and nids would've been an elite combination!
@@connordent9753 I think what he meant was a game oriented on Chaos marine instead of playing the good guys. I would love for an RPG Chaos marine getting stranded somewhere and have to fight against the good guys. Lore wise, he can steal the armour or weapon parts from Astartes as Chaos are using old techs.
@@connordent9753 Maybe practice your reading comprehension and then read it again and think about the nonsensical comment you wrote here.
@@connordent9753Necrons would be amazing but should not be a primary adversary. The problem is that there's no way to balance Necron weapons without breaking lore, as their weapons essentially insta kill everything they hit.
@@connordent9753unless they did a game focused around Psykers that use the warp to regenerate tissue, theoretically warp magic could cancel out the damage from Necron weaponry.
7:34 20% damage to secondary much better perk since plasma piston doesn’t have mags and you have that buff until you run out of ammo or swap back
I carry 867 rounds with my current build and it is absolutely glorious.
@milkandcookies Can you do general tips on each class? When to roll out vs when to parry etc etc. I can beat Lethal with friend but solo everything seems to fall apart! Great content !
For the team perk imo the range damage reduction is way better because you can survive longer. Ranged units on ruthless and lethal hit very hard and the DR is very good to have.
all three are so good they could best other classes entirely. but if i have to pick one, it’s ammo. larger mag size alone is crazy, but also ammo replenishment is % based so you get 25% more as well!
@@ShupperDupper The range damage reduction is just way more valuable at the higher levels atm. Range damage chunks you on the higher difficulties. I never really have that much ammo problems once I get to relic and have good perks. On lethal you could probably get away with it but that DR is just way too valuable imo.
I want to use the relic heavy bolter, i am not willing to level at thing.
Heavy Bolter be like: say hello to my little friend
I definitely feel like they need to increase the base accuracy of the heavy bolter. That one specific variant kicks ass, but all of the other ones are pretty trash. The base spread on that thing is absolutely stupid.
Hell yah brother
cheers from Kadaku
You just made me realize the real crossover content we need is with Darktide. The soundtrack specifically...Jesper Kyd needs to drop some tracks for SM2
Bro... I would kill for that. Saber should've or should try to get him for a few bangers.
FYI the damage difference between white and relic on most guns is only about 30% its more so the perks on the weapons that give the biggest difference so the 1 extra damage on the relic tier is really more like 3% extra damage lol
So ive been running the -20% ranged damage middle perk with duration down but cd up, with the + damage on cooldown and +damage while up, with the aoe when the shield is depleted and an armour pip for everyone too. It just seems so good to have.
Brother, get the Bolter. The HEAVY BOLTER
Do you play darktide at all now? New update is awesome.
What key do you have heavy stance equipped to? I'm trying to work on my roll out of heavy stance reaction time. I need to work on when to abandon ship.
... slather me in milk-and-cookies... and paint me Heavy... 4LYFE...
It's so annoying as a heavy when everyone seems to keep getting in front of my fire. As someone who plays other classes, I try to approach enemies at their flank or position myself out of the direct line of fire.
Is there a link to them confirming the changes to dodge?
was on Discord and reddit, i promise the dev confirmed it was unintended in the official discord, saw it myself. but not tryna find it again lol. They didn't say anything official about fixing it yet, just that the fat-rolling was unintended
@@milkandcookiesTWi was looking for it myself and had trouble finding the official source on that. if it’s not too much trouble, it would be appreciated!
All three weapons are like a drug lol I’m planning to level up heavy once I finish assault
Is it possible to play as a normal Space marine and not primarily, i feel like there should only be a handfull primaris not the majority as it feels now
Are you saying, that there are weapons other than the Heavy Bolter. That sounds like some heresy.
But i hear Immortal Imperium in the background, so i forgive you.
I really want a Noise marine as a playable class. 😁 maybe with the Emperors children as a base model,
new to the game, love the heavy and the heavy bolter but struggling to beat substantial difficulty missions. when larger tyranid enemies rush and focus me i can't do diddly piddly. any advice yall?
i personally didnt invest anything in accuracy and went all in on ammo and weapon cooling. nothing beats tearing into huge blobs and watching them become mist without taking your finger off the trigger. ive had many games where i let myself get swamped and just keep firing point blank without going down
What setup did you use for your plasma?
Heavy’s should get to carry double grenades to make up for the lack of melee
lol a youtuber finally uses the build I was running when I maxed Heavy. Welcome to the Heavy club.
Can anyone tell me where the devs said there's an issue with dodging, I can't find it anywhere. Thanks.
Gigachad heavy bolter 🗿
I kinda suck when aiming the heavy bolter. Would you suggest aim assist fron game settings?
Darktide ost my beloved
Can you do substantial, with randoms, with green items?
it’s very doable with white items solo with bots so…
How do you deal with tyrannid warriors squads using HB? With melta or plasma it's quire easy, but with HB it isn't, they'll just block all shots
charged plasma pistol doesnt do damage to em, but it does open them up. chain that in a group to soften or switch to bolter.
besides that, learn to parry/dodge and gunstrike.
Would you pick heavy bolter over heavy plasma right now when playing pubs?
they're both quite viable on any difficulty, so id just play whatever im feeling. but Heavy plasma is probably better, just because it can put like 4 or 5 majoris into red with a single charged shot
Plasma incinirator is the best the majoris just block heavy bolter fire and the multi melta just feels worse.
i run Heavy and i straight up kill everything ammo is a problem if you have moron randoms
Although I find this to be the worst gun on heavy, it's still INSANE good. Heavy is just a beast of a class. I'm doing lethal RN with a green level Heavy Plasma, can't wait till it's Relic and I can charge it as fast as plasma pistol and 1 shot everything!! And of course, my multi melta was my 1st ever main weapon! Heavy is just so manly...
@@EKk8819 As you said yourself, you're not supposed to play with green level weapons, you're playing Lethal wrong dude...
@@Tayletubby still doesn't change reality dude. U think ur funny or smart or something but u just look sad.
Impossible, reddit keeps telling me that bolt weapons are worthless
They’re on average the worse option compared to the other guns. The heavy bolter below Relic also falls into this category.
3 Meltas enough said brother
Don't just hold trigger down for ANY weapon unless ur up close, if you want accurate weapons, the spread will reset if u just tap the trigger instead of hold it. And head shots kill everything about 50-80% faster, period. Thats why the instigator Carbine is one of the best guns in the game, it resets its self after 3 round burst, but this can be achieved manually too.
big fan of that one in relic tier, it’s crazy how strong that one can get in the right hands.
@@EKk8819
@@Tayletubby whats funny is I can literally just stream my ps5 on youtube with the helm I just got, but yea, keep following me around dude. Only reason lethal took me so long to get all 7 is cuz people like u with no xp who can't even beat minimal.. then u cry to nerf the game.
@@ShupperDupper yea im grinding to relic it, I got it on purple level rn and im clearing ruthless. I'm making a lethal build, got all 7 done but ik we're getting new stuff very soon again, i'll be ready!
@@Tayletubby you've literally been spamming every comment section im in complaining about the game being too hard, ik ur a newbie bro I bet u couldn't even clear a min difficulty but ur jumping straight into lethal.. lol I can prove I got my helm and sword, can u?
Iron within, iron without
Woah woah isn't he iron hands, not iron warrior?
@@Nheom he is I’m spreading my own agenda here
Brother it is not called Fat Rolling, its called Heavy Strategic Maneuvering xD
I like the heavy bolter because Dakka. That is all.
thank u for reassuring me that the heavy bolter is good lol
My main issue with bolters and heavy bolters especially are simple: for some reason devs decided that is should be a headshot semi-sniper weapons (are you kidding me) AND, more importantly, it's sound design and feel is EXTREMLY unsatisfying, when comparing it to my beloved Darktide. It's not a bad weapon, it's just...meh and don't feel all that good. Well, for me anyway.
Hopefully, coming patches will fix some of those issues, but thanks for the build - would love to give this thing another try!
Pretty sure I left a comment telling you about the heavy bolter before the game got released.
Just people were busy getting clicks with the broken meltas.
When the neo volkite pistol is actually updated??
Vulkan lives
Let’s be real, it’s the worst of the 3 options and really isn’t that good especially in lethal. It makes you extremely vulnerable, force you to fire for a long time to archive anything, doesn’t stagger, is almost useless against warriors. Lets hope it gets a big buff this week with the balance patch
Edit : and the ammo economy is beyond awful compared to the 2 other options
Friends and i played all 7 missions on lethal difficulty today, took 6 hours and only failed twice, once on fall of atreus (to a hellbrute, we were in shambles when it spawned) and once on decap to the tyrant.
We used vanguard assault and bulwark dor all except decap, then we switched to tactical sniper bulwark.
The assault player didnt have vanguard leveled up, but had sniper.
I highly recommend having a sniper and bulwark with heavy OR tactical and bulwark for survivability and dmg increase
It's heavy primaris not graves armor
Heavy class literally uses Gravis armor
@milkandcookiesTW nope gravis has more armor plating
@@waynerolstone7165 It's always entertaining when the ones who are the most incorrect are the most confident in their claims...
@griffinmckenzie7203 look at the models and you tell me if you don't see the clear difference you can go turn into human starch for the imperium 🤭
@@waynerolstone7165 Little bro just told me to self-delete because he got called out for being wrong. Even if he was correct (which he genuinely, 100% isn't and no amount of malding and crying is going to change that.), he lost this argument without a single doubt.
I run dbl plasmas on my Heavy, played and completed all 7 ops on Lethal with randoms. Not one failed mission. I may try the heavy bolter & melta soon since I havent touched them at all with my Heavy
FLESH IS WEAK BROTHER
As a Heavy main and Heavy Boltor believer, I would disagree. The reality of it, anything below Relic tier, a Heavy with a Boltor is a detriment to your team.
It's either you just pray your team can carry or your team are playing a 2 man team with you lugging around.
i was dropping 15-20,000 damage with green and purple tier heavy bolter on Ruthless before the patch and taking least damage. as I said, its not amazing til Relic, but its perfectly playable. And if you're decent at the game, you wont be a detriment. But sure, before Relic there are better options on Heavy. for sure a Green tier melta or Green tier Plasma is better than a Green tier heavy bolter
If that's your personal experience, then it sounds like you're just bad, dude. Lol
@@griffinmckenzie7203ah the classic ‘skill issue’ response to any differing opinion.
The heavy bolter below Relic is just straight up worse than the other options. You get swarmed way too easily, and have major trouble clutching up. I do fine in those situations with other classes and weapons.
@@Harry94074 Bro liked his own comment. Lol
@@griffinmckenzie7203 there's 2 likes on it but cope harder you braindead zoomer.
There is more issue involving the Hierophant operation that you're forgetting to mention: No matter the difficulty you play it on, IT WILL NEVER FUCKING LOAD IN AT ALL! You ONLY GET A PERPETUAL BLACK SCREEN BEFORE CRASHING!
Heavy bolter got shit Perry
Sry. But HB is just bad cause of enemy mechanics. U just do no dmg against swords tyranids blocking all shoots. When you dakka at whip it start jump non stop and no one can aim it. Why melta and plasma best- u just can hit and run for short period of time even in melee combat. And plasma just do twice more dmg on single target.