Tories face ‘complete loss of faith’ from voters | Luke Tryl
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- “What was still a catastrophic defeat in 1997 for the Conservatives would now likely be seen as a good result.”
Voters all over the country, across different demographics, have “lost patience with the Conservatives,” says pollster Luke Tryl.
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Get the Tories out! Get the Tories Out!
The fact they are still polling around 20% is truly shocking
That's rich people who like the Tories because they let them get away with paying proper tax.
Yes , it should be only 10%
The Tory paperwork that came through my door stated that Labour equals tax hikes. Currently, we are experiencing the highest taxation in my lifetime, and it seems that this money is vanishing into thin air. If higher taxes led to an improvement in the state of the country, I wouldn't be thrilled, but at least I could see the benefit. However, it feels like we're being taxed with no gain. I hope that the Tories face significant challenges.
The level of national debt is at an all time high and the UK in 2024-25 expects debt interest spending to total £89.0 billion. That would represent 7.3 per cent of total public spending and is equivalent to nearly 3.2 per cent of national income.
In short the Nationalist Cons have bankrupted the country.
Your tax hikes under the Tories have gone to their donors. The conservative core value is Social Darwinism--the wealthy are the ubermenschen and the masses are mere tools to be used and thrown away when they lose their usefulness. The conservative believes the country is the property of the wealthy.
Tories face ‘complete loss of faith’. Why is this a problem?????
In the 3 years before Sunak was chancellor Fujitsu were given 1.3 billion in government contracts. In the 3 years after Sunak became chancellor they received 3.7 billion in contracts. Fujitsu has a partner company called Infosys. I wonder why they have lost trust the tories? I have lost trust in journalists for not talking about this.
Well posted.
By now, we should know EXACTLY what Fujitsu staff were doing in the bunkers to POL accounts. A Log. But all is still hidden……. And we can guess the reason….
Infosys and Tata consultancy, as well Accenture all partnered with all the companies around the world . Even the device you are seeing this comment is also not a single company product. It's been co-developed but sold under the main company name ... You won't understand how this world works because the lack of education
Are these guys just working out that the Tories are hopeless now? It's just been culture wars and scare tactics for fourteen years.
They still making excuses for them all the time. "All politicians are bad" gets wound out when the tories might lose.
@@davecross4493 Yes indeed. The Times loves the tories... the further right they are the better.
@@daydays12 Murdoch is no mug. He knows he has the Tories in his pocket, probably has Starmer too.
Same as he does in USA and Australia too.
@@kiriakoz He and his family are vile and dangerous
I voted against Ed Miliband and I worry what the next Labour govt might do on energy if Ed gets his way. We still need North Sea gas to help the transition. I voted against Corbyn because he was too left wing, didn't like his views on NATO. I think the markets would have crashed quickly. I never wanted Liz Truss. But I voted Tory for those general reasons. I will vote Lib Dem at the next election.
If the Conservatives had honoured the promises that they made on the run up to the last general election, they would not be in the mess that they are in now.
Where are the 40 hospitals and the balanced books?
Why do we have net immigration of 750,000 a year?
I don't think this will be a low turnout election. An awful lot of people are rightly very angry at the Conservatives and in typical British fashion, they're allowing the rage to simmer. Apathy might be a motivator to not vote but, anger and a desire to get an amount of payback is an even stronger one.
Remember Conservative party members didn't vote for Sunak they voted for Liz Truss, he already lost 20 months ago.
You vote for economic disasters
For the majority of the population and particularly the less well off half or so, tax monies in the hands of responsible government has far more spending power for good than a few pounds more in individual's pockets. Tax is not evil. It is essential to having a health service, education, roads, welfare, armed services for defence and so on. And above all taxes safeguard the well being of everyone in society.
I agree. We have to get away from this orthodoxy that paying tax is regressive and should be avoided wherever possible. If not, private wealth, public squalor.
this will be the biggest turn out in years
Worst government of my lifetime.
You wont be saying that in 4 years time!
@@peterward1829 there all useless cts i will still be saying that
@@peterward1829 So, the only case you can make is a threat? This is PRECISELY why we want rid of you. Void of ideas, failed to deliver, arrogant to the extreme, you've failed.
Sunak’s Flee Day was the end of the Conservative’s campaign!
£200 per year tax increase? Tat sounds like a lot but...
£4 per week? Would that even buy a pint of beer?
Anyone who encounters a person considering voting Reform should remind them that Nigel Farage whole-heartedly backed Liz Truss' disastrous economic strategy. All commentators should be reminding him of this everything they talk about him.
Oh no! The consequences of our own actions!
-- Rishi, probably
The thing that has effected people’s attitudes about the country is how run down it feels, so saving money on taxes that you then spend on things that are expensive because the county is so run down seems like a vicious circle.
Why doesn’t anyone draw up a pie chart and shows where the government gets its money from and then? Look at the banking sector to raise additional funds like the rest of Europe does.
The overnight lending rate by the Bank of England to other banks would they estimate generate between 20 and £30 billion a year?
Why is no one talking about this?
"Tories face ‘complete loss of faith’ from voters"
Hey, it only took half a generation!
And the loss of thousands to covid, millions of pounds the the ruined economy, any sort of global respect and any sort of future for the country.
It’s going to take 30 years to fix the last 14.
I want to pay more iin taxes to be spent on schools, NHS etc. I am not alone!
People seem to think tax rises will affect everyone equally but it's not the same.
Taxes NEED to rise for the 1% because the Tories just give themselves loop holes so little no dishy rishi can pay less tax than a nurse.
The Tories are just so out of touch they just don't understand most taxes don't actually affect normal people.
On page 2 of Braverman's letter to Sunak on 15/11/23 she states; "You never had any intention of keeping your promises" -
Was Ritchie lying all along....
When they lie through thier teeth in the faces of the british public they can simply JOG ON 🏃
A lot done by governments isn't party political.
If the number of roads needing repair goes up - then they need to be mended.
If the number of nurses drops - then more nurses need to be recruited.
And so on.
So when you cut the number of people dealing with migrant applications, while accepting that migration will go higher, then you aren't doing the job. When the waiting list for medical treatment goes up, but you aren't increasing funding to address this, then you aren't doing your job.
Rather, you are playing politics. You are treating running the country like having a religion - you dump commonsense, and claim that you have 'created a smaller state' and announce that this is success because this is a tenet of your faith.
The population then realises they can't get the op they need. They realise they're paying millions a day to house migrants whose claims aren't being processed in a reasonable time.
Most people don't realise that their country is being run by zealots, and assume that problems must be insoluble. And while they will blame the Tories most, many will still believe that no party can address these problems. It's lazy and not well-informed thinking, but it is the way it is.
Labour have to allow dogma to take a back seat, and get the roads repaired, get nurses and doctors trained. Many people will subsequently go back to the Tories because they think the new Tory leader is funny, or racist, or whatever. But many, we hope, won't forget what the Tories have done.
Sunak doesn't care he's only marking time - he already has his first class tickets booked for California
Any party but Tory. Do your duty. Vote. Save your country!
Look every Tory Voter or Member. You want a Conservative Government VOTE REFORM. The Tory Party needs Reform to Save It
Since the voting public saw the ramifications of Brexit.
Turnout was very low in all of the many by-elections in this parliament, but the vast majority of them have been huge wins for Labour...
Wow, the times radio is really going for it on the polling
Vote the tories OUT to help out!
As he said I don't mind paying higher taxes if it goes to where it is supposed to go. NHS.and public services.
Do you actually believe what the Tory’s say 🫣
When the Tory party claimed armistice day wasn't the time to talk about cease fires it became clear the Tories are ridiculous
The only Conservative Party we have is Reform. Most Tory voters have been alienated by this left wing woke government and the Tories appear to be oblivious to the cause of their demise. I do think this could be an extremely low turnout election because many Conservative voters just won’t vote rather than switch and some Labour supporters will not bother because a Labour win is inevitable
Tories partied while the Queen mourned alone.
absolutely right
882 migrants came over yesterday
watching the Cope on this station is hysterical! "Low Turnout" will save the Tories....REALLY?!! ARE YOU THAT DISCONNECTED, You Sad Tory Shills?!!
Turnout will break the record!! Don't you get it yet: WE ARE SICK OF THE TORIES!!!
Reform will get a maximum of 3 seats and that’s being extremely generous.
Wow. Very “ democratic” system. Lol. When will you all DEMAND democracy ?
Bet you wouldn't put money on them not getting 10+ would you though?
Last week you lot were saying they wouldn't get any seats.
@ionlyfearphobophobia if you exclude the largest and smallest from the polls thier average is around 13%, also their voter demographic is 50+ male with very little appeal outside that group when you dig into the mrp polls
@@ionlyfearphobophobia Actually I also said zero. It still could be though. Margin of error in their 2 strongest candidates.
USELESS
We used to have BETTER public services, and yet we now have the highest tax burden since 1948. Why do some people think it's acceptable to raise tax even further? The whole system needs an overhaul!
Torys have raised tax 15 times
Sunak: The foreigner who ended the Tories.
Boris Johnson ended the Tories.
Eliminate the labor tax.
Why are working people punished with taxes for working.
4 manifestoes and then 2.5 million immigrants in two years! GDP per capita no 30th in the world because it benefits us so much!
Blaming immigrants for how bad the government is. 🤨
@@geoffallibone4026 We dont have enough land to grow food, we have a massive shortage of infrastructure due to to much demand. Immigration is the cause but I didnt blame them you did.
Shitnak, a hundred percent consistent in weak and pathetic .
Angela rayners son is on only fans , just found out from preston journalist, what next,
The old parties have proven that they cannot solve the problems.
What has any party but the governing party got to do with it?
Sorry but I have to disagree. 14 yrs of Tory chaos in which labour had nothing to do with so how they can be blamed is beyond me
Where will Keir find a telephone box to pull on his cloak now? 🤔( "Green Fire", geoff nelson hill, IngramSpark & bookshops)🌈🦉
Kier Starmer may be a good lawyer but he is not politically astute. Time and time in this election campaign, he has failed to hammer the following facts:
1. Rishi Sunak keeps boasting that he bailed out British companies and individuals during the Covid pandemic. However, he did so at great cost to the public purse, NOT from his own personal resources. This significantly increased the country's debt burden
2. The country had not recovered from that trauma when Lis Truss, another Tory Prime Minister, crashed the economy and almost made the country bankrupt.
3. That is the state of things a Labour Government will inherit.
4. With public services at breaking point as a direct result of Tory mismanagement of the economy, I am sure all of us would accept tax rises if it means improvement in our public services
4. Starmer should not be afraid to take the tax issues on squarely with the analysis I have put above
I hope none of these tories mp's try to get into REFORM UK
the loss of faith comment about the Tories performance is spot on but it beggars belief how Sunak doesn't "take ownership" of that consistent feedback and dire position in the polls. Love to know how he will finally respond to the outcome if they lose badly
I wasn’t ready for Waiting for Godot references this early in the morning.
You ask a 'buttered side' tory for an opinion? Lord Haw Haw's radio show is it?
Did you vote Tory shame on you
The Tories didn’t honour Brexit, so now it’s all over for them and it’s well deserved, the tramps are best gone and never voted back.
Yes they did. It's just that Brexit was always going to be the way remainers said, and nothing like the leavers said.
Did you believe them, do you still believe Farage?
If so ...wanna buy a bridge?
The problem is, what was Brexit?
As I see it, there were 3 or 4 different Brexits, within the Tory party alone and they spent too much time squabbling with each other, to get anything done
Can't let you get away with that. It is not a case of not honouring Brexit. They had to face the reality that what Brexiters offered was unreal and unachievable. You cannot leave the customs union and a huge free trade area which accounted for 40% of our trade and be better off. You cannot lose all the trade deals we were a part of as EU members and renegotiate better individual deals because as a small nation we can't bring to the negotiating table what a big group like the EU can. I could go on.
Brexiters should have been honest in the first place. Explain that we would be worse off but you still wanted to leave and explain why. Then people could have voted on that. Instead, you said we would be better off which was either badly informed or dishonest. Now faced with reality you're looking to blame others with nonsense like 'this is not Brexit' or 'Brexit was not honoured'. This IS Brexit. If you didn't know it would look like this then I'm afraid that is down to your lack of serious research beforehand.
Honour Brexit ? .....we had a hard Brexit !
Democracy….. ahhh. Don’t you just LOVE IT ! ? A land where government DOES what the people actually WANT & NEED ! Oh dear…You NEVER had that mate. NEVER will. BECAUSE…You have the WRONG political system. Maybe it was a good idea 300 years ago, but not for today nor tomorrow. It generally attracts the wrong sort of people for a start!. I mean, just look at their schoolyard behaviour where “point scoring” put-downs of other elected members of parliament is considered a “win”! Essentially most of them are “bully salesmen” who try to persuade and bribe you, that ONLY THEIR ideas are great (vote for MEEEE). Sadly, ALL parties do the same - Was designed to be like that !! The notion that ALL the PEOPLE HAVE CLEAR NEEDS is not even considered!!. Another childhood dream is that “Competition” yields the best results! This has some truth, but only in the very short term!. COOPERATION YIELDS THE BEST CONTINUOUS SUSTAINABLE IMPROVEMENTS. JUST PROGRESS LIKE YOU’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE
Establish a national “Register of Visions” summarising the Will of the People. (Health, Housing, Education, Employment, Crime & Safety, Drugs, Immigration, Taxation, Societal Cohesion, Foreign Affairs, Welfare, Trade & Industry, etc etc ). A register Established at census time for each Voter - with real-time Web access for timely updates like Gaza, Ukraine etc etc ad nauseam. And don’t worry, AI will make short work of creating a succinct coherent unambiguous statement of requirements from the millions of Vision submissions! Certainly a BETTER WAY for the Nation. (Unless of course you are already part of the 1% thriving/thieving elite , then yes, you will experience a relative decline in your unwarranted privilege, decadence and legalised theft!).
At the moment, China looks remarkably democratic when compared with you lot !
China is more egalitarian, not more democratic. They're all in the deep stuff together.
That's a horrible system that would see wild inconsistency and with that lack of faith from investors. Markets would crash and the economy would be in ruins. Remember the Will of the People caused Brexit and nothing has hurt the UK finances that bad since the global financial crisis and even that is close.
The system is not good though, fptp creates two party politics and that only works if both parties police themselves. You only need to look at other European countries to se that there are better ways to elect the government.
@@kevinsmarts9953 ahhhhh. So Democracy is NOT the ideal……. I agree However, most pretend it is the nirvana……. Actually, the reason you got Brexit is from WEAK leadership from Cameron…….. combined with the societal acceptance of lies published without restraint from Boris Johnson et al.
❤ Vote Reform... from a Pakistani muslim man .... think of your people , for gods sake ... Cape towns to Londonstans .... is that what you want ? I cant stand Cape towns, can you stand Londonstan 😂
We need compulsory voting but with an option to say no vote.
We already do. You just spoil your ballot
Democracy….. ahhh. Don’t you just LOVE IT ! ? A land where government DOES what the people actually WANT & NEED ! Oh dear…You NEVER had that mate. NEVER will. BECAUSE…You have the WRONG political system. Maybe it was a good idea 300 years ago, but not for today nor tomorrow. It generally attracts the wrong sort of people for a start!. I mean, just look at their schoolyard behaviour where “point scoring” put-downs of other elected members of parliament is considered a “win”! Essentially most of them are “bully salesmen” who try to persuade and bribe you, that ONLY THEIR ideas are great (vote for MEEEE). Sadly, ALL parties do the same - Was designed to be like that !! The notion that ALL the PEOPLE HAVE CLEAR NEEDS is not even considered!!. Another childhood dream is that “Competition” yields the best results! This has some truth, but only in the very short term!. COOPERATION YIELDS THE BEST CONTINUOUS SUSTAINABLE IMPROVEMENTS. JUST PROGRESS LIKE YOU’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE
Establish a national “Register of Visions” summarising the Will of the People. (Health, Housing, Education, Employment, Crime & Safety, Drugs, Immigration, Taxation, Societal Cohesion, Foreign Affairs, Welfare, Trade & Industry, etc etc ). A register Established at census time for each Voter - with real-time Web access for timely updates like Gaza, Ukraine etc etc ad nauseam. And don’t worry, AI will make short work of creating a succinct coherent unambiguous statement of requirements from the millions of Vision submissions! Certainly a BETTER WAY for the Nation. (Unless of course you are already part of the 1% thriving/thieving elite , then yes, you will experience a relative decline in your unwarranted privilege, decadence and legalised theft!).
At the moment, China looks remarkably democratic when compared with you lot !
@@zeddeka It would make more sense if there was actual options like "none of the above represent me", "i don't know" and "i don't believe in democracy".
@@MicheleLLOYD-bk2mt So if you don't like Democracy, what would you prefer?
@@ionlyfearphobophobia I love democracy. But UK aint got it….. Democracy is Government Delivering What People want and need…. THAT rules out UK USA France for starters.
Everyone wants higher tax till they are the ones being taxed. Easy to spend other peoples money. I started packing my house at the weekend, ill sell up and leave when labour get in. Tax is destroying me. No more will i do it. IR35, NO HELP FOR SELF EMPLOYED IN COVID, private school fees you name it. Scrap all tax and replace it with a single one. Called ambition tax.
Stop ambition taxation. It is destroying the country! 😢 ex labour oter here now reform ❤
Can I sell you a bridge? Put your credit card details in reply. Free flag! 🤡
Yes, the millionaires who run and finance your party/registered business totally agree with you. I wonder why?
We haven't even got the basics of an operation when you need it. Is that 'ambition taxation'? Google doesn't have such a term listed! So it's great to invent new terms, but wise to explain what you mean.
Conservatives needed to push ahead with Brexit reforms. They didn't. Vote Reform.
Reform UK or sharia-communist Labour
The SCL are coming for you lol
Grow up. Childish comment.
Who else likes to MISLEAD the public through GASLIGHTING and FEARMONGERING??? Oh Yeah the CONS... If ya need to do that, it highlights you ain't really got much, so thanks for the public demonstration...Ya know what ya can do with ya f a s c i s m, btw...
Nonsense. And I'm not a Labour voter.
Labour is the new Tory-Zionist party .
haha I do have to say it is funny given that Times Radio no doubt was biased and actually one of the reasons why the tories were able to feel confident despite being slime.
ps So just to be clear "Times Radio" is guilty, of co-creating a lot of suffering that currently is happening in the real world
Even if Labour adopted exactly the same policies and tax and spend plans of the tories I would still vote Labour just to be rid of the chaos, incompetence, malice and corruption of this government.
Lol Labour has adopted the exact same plan
We've had 14 years of trickle down policy after trickle down policy implemented in the tax code raising the base from 33% to 38%, no end of outsourcing and zero growth, Reeve reflected on this in her Mais lecture
The question is how have the Tories managed to p1ss away so much money as they have also borrowed an additional 1.6 trillion to boot.
I don't think taxes need to go up you just need to rip out all the Tory trickle down cr@p and in source the work so you have full control which will massively boost service levels.
@@shakkhan7092 But they NOT as corrupt and contemptible.
@@shakkhan7092 Wrong. Rwanda, British Energy, no further NI cuts….for starters
@@GeoffV-k1h idk about that, all politicians are corrupt
The Tories stabbed Boris in the back rather than standing by him. Not much loyalty in the Tory Party. Sir Keir saved his Speaker and saved Angela. Loyalty does count in politics.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Reform not do as well as polls currently show. And for the Tories to do better. I respect pollsters. I trust that they do rigorous surveys. But we know polls can be a bit out. This is why the 2015 Tory majority was such a surprise. Labour will win. But i think the Tories will perform better on election night.
Why increase taxes when the obvious solution is to call in the French debt? France owes close to a trillion to treasury as it hasn’t paid a penny on its sovereign debt since 1931.
And then the whole National Debt system will start collapsing and the US or China will call in our debt to them...