@@billithekat1088 as someone who is overweight, major depressive, BPD, type 3 fatty liver, and who wanna die was terrible to watch, I mean they could have put scenes of other events, or memories of Rue during the song or just cut it off in the second chorus ( I don't know what's the name, but you know what I mean, don't you?) and add the climax of the song (I'm talking about those parts that go near the end of the songs that make them slower or more vigorous, I'm just an ignorant person of the internet, I'm not so wise to know the name of certain things, I don't even speak English, this is just traductoriorr) but no, they had to record it completely, I had to skip that scene because I was drowning alive in an ocean of cringe.
Really wish we got a storyline where Kat realizes her being fetishization isn't empowering, it could go so well with the camgirl storyline and how teenagers think they "owning" their sexualities by being sex-positive, but in reality they're just being exploited.
yeah i thought we were gonna get her realizing she was exploited and potentially dealing w/ the consequences. i thought that setup of her not liking ethan sexually was gonna become a storyline of her analyzing herself and how camgirling like that has shaped how she views relationships. that camgirling isn't like a relationship,, that you have to communicate and see each other as ppl but no... we didn't get that
Honestly Euphoria s2 felt more like a CW show than an HBO show in terms of writing. The writing this season was so cliched and dumbed down. There was no nuance or subtlety. While Sydney Sweeny acted amazing, Cassie's character arc felt straight out of Riverdale
Precisely, Sydney arguably gave the strongest performance this season, other than Zendaya in the fifth episode, and in general. They've added so many new characters, that they've shuffled previously important characters like Kat and Jules into the background to make room for them.
no literally. that slow clap when she went "wowwww lexi you REALLY outdid yourself...." like is this disney channel?? 90% sure that's a line from wizards of waverly place or something
@@iusedtowrite6667 I don't see how it was cringe. If I was constantly castigated for my choices, why want to change when you'll still be maligned and hated? I saw it as Cassie purposely being theatrical and sarcastic with that line.
people who say that this show shows an "Extremely realistic" representation of ALL high schools in America clearly doesn't have their head screwed on straight
I disagree, sure most of the storylines would make more sense if the characters were older and more mature, but just the way the characters are written to see them in college would be unrealistic. I understand maybe characters like Nate, Lexi or even Jules, who have ambitions in life, but Maddy or Rue wouldn't make sense to be in college tbh
A lot of the storylines work because of the idea of being forced to be there (it’s high school) and parental control. So there isn’t as much angst in college because by then you’re an adult and can make all your own decisions. There’s also kind of a cool kids and everyone knows everyone thing within the show, which doesn’t really happen in college (cause you know, there’s tens of thousands of students).
What I love about the whole "dress like you go to euphoria high" thing is that if you look at the background characters, they are ALL dressed normal. It's literally just the main cast (like you said, mainly Maddy), the rest of the school looks pretty average haha
yeah fr i always saw people talking about how all their outfits are outlandish and unreasonable. sometimes yes, but most of the time it’s just maddie who has the crazy makeup and outfits, maybe juls too.
The euphoria clothes are honestly self explanatory. Take disney teen shows for example, theyre always wearing some crazy bright clothes with lots of layers. of course they’re gonna dress the main characters differently than the background characters so they’re distinguishable. Euphoria just took the same approach but with a different style
someone i know brought up a really good point. because of tik tok, this show has blown up, but to the wrong audience. i know someone in seventh grade who’s obsessed with the show… which is dangerous. i’m an adult and the show takes it’s toll on me, let alone a child that isn’t able to fully grasp the content and distinguish fiction from reality. their way of life is portrayed as aspirational. it’s so so dangerous and i really wish it wasn’t so easily accessible to kids.
Totally agree, even with season one if you dont pay attention to the fact rue is supposed to be a unreliable narrator and take what she is saying literal.. that's dangerous
Its one of those shows that ppl will say " Be critical of problematic media!!! " But the problem is yall cant rly deny how its actually problematic. Ppl keep defending bc the aesthetic and the " Topics" That is brought up in the show where i think it's so dramatic for a high school format LOL. And how every fan has very varying takes... Made me think. I only see clips and this show is just okay. Ppl act its a masterpiece bc of the cinematography only lol. Its just fashion.
That's the same with my 11 year old cousin who has been finding shows like euphoria from a young age and is now acting up and has a lot of behavioural issues
Let’s talk about how in season 1 they show in one episode how Cassie gets an abortion and they just never mention it again like it’s nothing?? It’s like the characters get traumatized and no one even talks about it like the fact Nate pointed a gun at Maddys head in her bedroom? And then she is sitting there at the play in the same room with him like nothing ever happened .. I enjoy Euphoria but those topics should be discussed and its weird that it’s just forgotten about.
omg an ABoRtiON!!!! wtf?? some women even have multiple ones tf should they do? and anyway if you really need to see it as tho it messed her up.. I mean you can lol she's super messed up
@@morganamarianana3088 I really don't think having "multiple" abortions is something that should be normalized...not even a single abortion should be normalized but having multiple abortions is just...even more terrible. Abortions are obviously bad for the growing fetus as the life already is in existence but in addition to that, they're very physically taxing for the mother and emotionally taxing for both the mother and the father. Euphoria should have approached this with more sensitivity-they should have showed the after effects, the physical pain, the emotional pain of losing a life...they just kind of wrapped it up. If they have enough time to show detailed s3x scenes then they had enough time to showcase this. They should have also discussed more options such as keeping the baby or putting them up for an adoption. In addition to this, it would've been a great moment to explain sex education to the students but there's not a single teacher in sight. I'm sorry for the long comment but your take was really insensitive.
@John Doe I'm definitely pro-choice and I didn't say that an abortion in itself is terrible- I'm saying having MULTIPLE abortions IS terrible. While the word terrible does reflect the poor choices of the two people who made this decision MULTIPLE times, it also puts emphasis on the fact that how little sex education people get, especially in poorer countries. Everyone should have access to proper abortions and healthcare but if someone is going through it multiple times then it is terrible and either they lack judgement or they're in a situation they need to get out of ASAP. Also, I'm a medical student so please understand that I've studied the effects of abortions on women-most of the times, they're devastating. Also- a person can be pro choice and grieve the life lost-it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. Also- Euphoria is a show and most of the times in situations like these, shows portray discussing a wide range of options which they didn't. Cassie having an abortion is not irresponsible in itself but the factors that led her to that stage demonstrate the irresponsibility of Cassie's parents, McKay's parents and perhaps the teachers. I'm not being politically correct here, if I was then I would just say "abortions are great" but they're not. Having the OPTION of having abortions available is great and a right but pretending that abortions don't come with their own set of problems is problematic. If a person, especially a young person like Cassie who was barely 16 is going to make this decision then they should know what kind of things they're going to face, emotionally and mentally.
I think the main reason Euphoria occurs in high school is the same reason all these shows occur is high school: it's the only time in your life where you HAVE to see these people five times a week. Look at how Gossip Girl and Riverdale were grasping as straws to get all the characters in the same room post graduation.
@@Bbbbbbbbb2002 College and high school relationships are completely different in nature. You don't have people around that you've known since childhood and you don't see the same exact people 5+ days a week.
@@lorrainelovesalpacas but it’s still possible. I went to college with people I’ve knew since I was a kid and if you are in a particular program, you will definitely see those same people 5x a week.
the magical girl thing with jules- they make specific references to her being a fan of madoka magica in season 1 which is a VERY DARK magical girl anime, which i thought was so telling of her character. she dresses in this cute pastel magical girl way and then participated in some very dark nightlife activity. so her losing that style did i think contribute to her character feeling a little lost, i can totally see that.
I also think she was maybe began wearing with streetwear / baggier clothing after she began dating Rue, like maybe she was inspired by Rue’s fashion and wanted to experiment with it in her own way
@@emilyh7982 That's such an interesting point especially with her wearing Elliot's clothes after the affair and not having a consistent style like before or like Maddy as an example. Her clothes seem to definitely depend on her influences and emotions
also in the special episode we got of her she explains how she feels this constant need to “conquer femininity”. this explains (not excuses) her behavior with all of those older men so i feel like this season with her entering her relationship with rue it makes sense that she takes a darker approach to street wear. not only can you see rue’s influence in her fashion decisions, which could also be seen as a sign of their codependency, but you can also see how she’s maybe evolving out of this need to prove her femininity. this by the way is not to portray hyper femininity negatively (i am extremely hyper feminine), but rather to use clothing to explain jules mindset this season. i feel like maybe for her these ultra feminine outfits were more of a costume or persona. or maybe i’m just giving sam levison too much credit cuz that man’s a mess.
They genuinely regressed and destroyed Jules character in this season. Her cheating on Rue with Elliot was uncessary and really fucked her character. Kat's storyline went to shit. The finale was the most underwhelming thing, I've seen in recent time. It literally did nothing of note
isn‘t that kind of the point tho? jules special ep made it clear how much she struggles with make validation and defining herself through the way men see her. growth isn’t always linear, sometimes u fall back into old habits and patterns, especially when u are struggling in other areas of ur life (e.g. her relationship to rue, the trauma from nate and call and her relationship to her mother).
@@tergeli5117 i feel like you can do that without the cheating or atleast without trying to make her seem innocent. I like Jules, but the cheating and then the lying was just weird. Like in later episodes she's like, 'i wanna get back with Rue' but like she didn't even apologize for cheating on Rue
Kats cam girl stuff was super uncomfortable to me, because when I was in high school I dabbled in that and it was… terrible. I didn’t have some sugar daddy paying me hundreds of dollars, I had men from their 20s all the way to their 60s threatening to come find me and hurt me. I was doing it solely for attention and it got completely out of hand and super scary. Some dude found out where I went to school and I ended up having to confess everything to my mom, because I was so scared. I know people have different experiences, but it really bothered me how they glamorized it in Euphoria.
I’m so sorry for that yikes 😳 I don’t really understand what they were going for with Kat because in S2 they didn’t talk about it again. Man that sucks
@@sweetembrace6706 This was more than 13 years ago… the internet was a lot different. Plus I usually was just using video chat websites, not websites specifically used for camming.
Girl, I literally see your comments all the time! Everywhere! You are everywhere! 😂 This plot point kind of reminded me of a half-baked copy of Skins season 1 Sid’s episode. If you know you know.
I will never stop ranting about McKay. He was literally SA’d in season one and they started to make him a complex character, just to completely ignore him. Cassie and his relationship also had so many depths.
@@mayarimayari8322 yesss!!! he definitely should have been talked and shown more this season especially bc of the whole Cassie abortion situation like I don’t get it
@@mayarimayari8322 literally i feel you. Everytime i think of it my blood boils. Bro got violeted in one of the worst ways possible but its Cassie that matters (in that moment)???
I agree, he’s from Saginaw Michigan and I live in Flint about 30 mins away it was nice to see someone from here portray a character on Euphoria. I was upset they did not do more with his character.
I think Jules' outfits changed because during the special episodes she talked about how she is realizing that she doesn't have to be this super feminine person for the male gaze. She can make her woman hood her own. During the special episode she talked about going off hormones. Therefore there is a shift in her wardrobe. Also It upsets me that the storyline of her mother being a drug addict did not get brought up because it mirrors her and Rue's relationship. That could of been one of the sources of conflict rather than having Dominic's character intervene and become some sort of love triangle. His character seemed pointless to me. Overall a lot of what was built up in season 1 was not addressed in season 2. There was no continuity at all. Season 2 felt like a totally different reality and universe. It personally did not make sense to me.
I've rewatched Jules' special episode like twenty times already, it's absolutely beautiful in its depth and complexity, so I couldn't believe how much Sam let her character go to waste this time around! Disgustang!
I remember reading in a spoiler that Elliot's character dies at the end of the season, and I thought that was meant to show Rue the harsh reality of drug abuse and force her to confront the hard end that death is. But he ends up living so now idk wtf his character's point was.
@@GioGio-fq1vl aha. you say "writers" but I think Sam is the one and only writer for all episodes (except Jule's special episode) that's why it's bad. there is no team of writers and Sam is not good at writing
In my high school we had a semi-strict dress code but I would notice the skinny fit sporty girls hardly ever got cited and also the cheer leaders would NEVER get cited. I always found it to be a sort of pervy thing on behalf of the administration because if a "fat unattractive" girl wore something revealing they would pull her aside right away.
I was (and still am, to a certain degree) really flat with not a lot of hip, and I definitely noticed that teachers were really strict with the girls who had curves, but they never said a thing to me. Hooray for teachers passing on their discomfort with attractive body types to kids who are new to those bodies!
Omg yes I agree, I myself am someone who was sort of chubby in middle school, and I remember wearing a skirt for promotion and they called me out on my skirt for being to short but I have long arms! but yet all the skinny girls had their backs showing and wore short dresses ..
I'm a curvy girl and believe it or not I have been getting cited since 4th grade. I'm in college now and good for me they don't give a fuck what I wear as long as I show up. Anyways, getting cited in 4th grade-5th grade really did take a toll on my mental health. I got diagnosed with depression and I had really bad body issues. I thought that having curves and having a little bit of stomach fat was inappropriate and distracting. At that time I didn't understand how fucked up the school system was, and I would look at all the other girls and they were wearing much shorter shorts and did not get cited once.
idk in my school, the "skinnier" girls were ALWAYS dresscoded, without fail. all of the girls were dresscoded and forced to go home and change and even a girl wearing a long sleeved cardigan got sent home. ive never personally seen it where only bigger people got dresscoded but idk, im canadian so maybe thats also a factor?? idk
I think the fact that they're so unnecessarily sexualizing these teenage characters is very overlooked. It's disturbing and sometimes so SO unnecessary that it just feels like the creator is satisfying his own fantasy. Yikes.
I skipped the sex part and i was like wait where is the episode?!!?!!! I was like wtf did i just watch porn with better acting or something, cause where the hell is plot??!!!
Yes!! And Sam is known for letting the events in his real life affect his writing. Seeing/ hearing the things he made Sydney/Cassie do was v uncomfy to me
@thunderstorm literally won't give this show a chance personally because it really does seem very very focused on the sexualization of kids. It's triggering and very uncomfortable, especially to see the show blow up among people who are kids themselves
Another thing that shocks me still is that they jailed a man for nates crimes and they just forgot about him?? After finishing season 1 i was wondering how they were gonna run with this and nothing?
Tyler? I think in season 3 Tyler, Cal and Fezco will all be in county jail together while they face their crimes/charges and await their trials. It should be interesting! Maybe they will come up with a plan to stop Nate and all the crazy stuff he's done? We'll see!
OMG Finally someone notices this!!! everyones forgetting about that and also the fact that maddy actually protected nate by blaming Tyler for choking her?!?! and "r*ped" her in the pool when she initiated it, yes she's underage and its illegal but she could've at least be honest instead of ruining tyler's life like that. i get why people like maddy cuz she isnt an unlikeable person but wtf? that made me care about her less
You can tell Sam Levinson is surrounded by yes men because nobody is questioning his writing choices lol. Let’s be honest they added the Cassie/Nate storyline to get more nude scenes 😑
Let's not forget how In S1 Maddy said she lost her virginity to a 40yr old and they said she was on total control with that..and was never adressed again.
I just want to stop seeing “high school” kids having sex. I don’t even think sex scenes are necessary between adults in regular film in most cases. Why now do we have to watch children have sex ?
The thing is: all the actors are look like 30 years old, so you can’t even feel disturbed by some of the sex scenes because it’s obvious these people are old as fuck and dressed as street walkers from Amsterdam. So yeah, I got your point about sexualiIng underage characters, but this show cannot even do it right or shock anyone because the actors look old as hell. The show’s creator was trying to revamp the Larry Clark style of putting adult actors who look like kids to shock, but the casting choices failed on that. This is the least of euphoria’s problems
@@gabrielleribeiro8054 of course you can't use actual teenagers for those scenes, because well that's against the law (in most countries). It's not really a conscious choice of the maker. They literally can't do it differently. But I agree that it's still bad, because they are trying to portray younger students and not adults, so that part should be left out entirely in my opinion.
@@karolinkiehl4097 technically, minors may be able to film sexual/romantic scenes, so long as they aren't graphic. in 'shameless', a majority of the main cast is made up of minors, and their young characters are from a negligent family home in a low income neighborhood. understandably, they replicate their parents and the other adults they've come to know, and begin having sex very often, very early on in life. there are scenes where minors are essentially just suggested to be doing something friskier, but never actually shown nude. for example, i remember a scene starting with one of the boys (15) coming out from 'under his girlfriends skirt' and he asks if she really wants him to stop, trying to convince her to skip school with him for the day. another one that's even less romanticised, we see a young girl (13) crawl into bed beside her piss drunk crush (18+) and there's a condom on her end table. the shows themes are dark as well, liek euphoria's, but the most genuinely sensual romance scenes are between adults; even when younger characters (played by 18+ actors) are shown in a bit more detail, it's very rarely nice to look at it. it's poky and awkward and uncomfy to watch. or, sometimes they just sort of have conversations and the like, neither even really seeming to be enjoying themselves or finding pleasure, because they don't know how it really works yet. unfortunately, i disagree with your last statement. although you might not have until you were an adult, many teenagers do have sex; if teenagers are going to be accurately portrayed in media, then sex is usually going to be a part of that, because it's how the world genuinely works.
As someone from a third world country the little kid being a dealer is the least unrealistic thing about the show. We have news about kids that age and younger being dealers and hitmen. What's really unrealistic for me are the designer clothes and a school play like Lexi's being approved
yeah, overall i agree with most of her points, but when she said that about ashtray it really bugged me. i had that moment of "oh wow, people in first world countries really do live in a totally different reality to mine"
@@claramujo right, she makes a lot of good points and I love her videos in general, but there's tons of countries in Africa with child soldiers (Angola, Congo, Liberia, etc...) kids working in concentration camps in China, child labor all over the world, victims of human trafficking (big cities in USA are a big spot for that) so... Thinking Ashtray's story line is impossible seems quite disconnected from reality tbh
@@claramujo it's not unrealistic in America either. It's extremely common in seriously poverty stricken areas. Which do exist ..a lot of people just love to pretend they don't
FINALLY someone who thinks cassie wasn't in the wrong when she got mad at lexi's play 😭 i don't even love cassie but was that carousel scene really necessary
the entire play was uncalled for, everything cassie said on stage was valid in my opinion. she didn't have to cause a scene like that but lexi airing out everyone's dirty laundry like that in front of the entire school is just dead wrong
i’ve noticed that Euphoria’s audience harbors a LOT of immature people. I don’t just mean young teen viewers, I just mean people with poor moral ethics
It's not crazy at all, children always gravitate towards entertainment based around CD things. Look at how gang lifestyles were glamorized in music in the 90s and 2000s. Plenty of children consume that content
In Jules's special episode, she talked about how she grew up feeling the need to conquer femininity and how she's always based her views on what men would want... That's one of the reasons why she had been dressing so feminine and girly in S1, at the end of her episode she tells her therapist that she is no longer interested in men and that's why she dressed more androgynous and dark in S2
@Sophie Fliegler That episode, is Euphoria when it's at its best. Jules vulnerability & honesty really resonated with me too, and it's a shame Sam Levinson didn't expand on that in Season 2.
As someone who grew up in a rougher public housing project, Ashtray's character was not a huge stretch. Lot's of kids drop out before 16 and child services are not aware unless someone reports it. 12-14 year olds were selling drugs. I think making his character go to school would have been more interesting because he could be selling at recess. That being said, him sacrificing himself and getting into a huge gun shoot out was really over dramatic.
Yea a lot of what Ashtray did with being able to do parkour moves to kill another drug dealer and willingly get into a shoot out with the police was so ridiculous. But I know people who work with troubled kids and they say that there are plenty of Ashtrays
I want to back this up as someone who was a high school teacher in a community with a lot of gang and drug activity. It is easier than you imagine to disappear from the school system, especially if you have been (for example) using a fake address to establish residence.
No because I’m so confused on why they DESTROYED Cassie and mckays characters. They made Cassie likeable in season 1 with complexity just to throw her under the bus and make her a boyfriend stealing crazy woman? And don’t even get me started on mckays SA being brushed over and ignored. If your gonna include a scene like that, do it well and deal with the aftermath. Your not woke for just including it, you need to execute it well.
I kind of disagree with the young 12 year old drug dealer scenario being unrealistic, while rare it is unfortunately common in poor communities where children are forced to interact with gangs and support their family economically
This is actually very true. In my country gangs see kids as easy targets for recruitment, especially when the kids feel like the gangs can offer a community that the Swedish society has failed to give them. They often set minors out to murder people because they get a lower penalty.
I don't think she meant it's unrealistic in the sense that it doesn't happen in real life. It's unrealistic, according to her, because there's no real punishment that happens and in effect, it only romanticises the dark issues.
Also why is no one talking about how this show was made for ADULTS by ADULTS about MINORS that are shown naked most of time? Many defend this by claiming that it’s being “real” while forgetting that there is no such thing as realism in edited work. It was a choice. They could’ve simply made the characters play freshmen in college but they chose a high school setting. As an adult that was just disturbing honestly and one of the many reasons why I didn’t and won’t watch the show.
Yeah I had to keep reminding myself that the characters were in high school. I wish the sexual scenes were a bit more realistic but instead they were shot like a porno. The show Sex Education was a great example of how sex in high school should be approached in a tv show imo
I agree. & the reality is there is NO real reason for it to be set in hs. There would be no difference to any of the storylines, any of the characters, any of the wardrobe. If anything it would make MORE sense
@@ariellelillian8644 I think it not being set in highschool could of been more interesting. College isn’t really considered a necessity anymore irl and it could’ve been interesting to see a tv show show young characters intertwining other than(for the majority) knowing eachother just cuz they go to the same highschool because of requirement.
@@peachiichipchiii Maeves mum is an addict, and there's a few scenes where some kids get super wasted and say/do things that destroy relationships. While not detailing the antics of a teen addict, it touches on how substance abuse can seriously affect young people and wreck families causing lasting trauma.
Idk why they needed Elliott to bring friction. Like Jules and Rue already had a shit ton of problems, but you know Sam's pen game is terrible. So he must have thought for some reason Elliott was necessary and not the hundred different issues the couple has. Hbo has to put their foot down and tell that man to hire writers (and directors tbh). You need to have a really strong vision to direct and write a tv show by yourself for more than one season.
I agree. The only reason he existed was to break them up, even though their relationship was failing anyway so he really wasn't needed. His character is incredibly frustrating to see and not very interesting
Sam actually fully explains in the after episode interviews that basically in Season 1 Rue was so in love with Jules and in love with drugs but she couldn’t have both so in Season 2 we watch her have both and see how she acts when she has everything she wants. Elliot represents the drug side of Rue and therefore causes friction
I kinda liked eliotts character as a friend to rue that brought out her worst side and added to her spiraling and reaching her lowesr. I also liked how in the scenes with him jules told the audience how dating rue feels but i didnt think the love triangle was necessary. As if rue and jules didnt have enough other problems that couldve made a good plot. And tbh jules couldve also had these conversations with kat
Lexie was DEAD wrong for that carousel scene. Everyone was on her side simply because they didn't like Cassie. But let's be honest here, if you were in Cassie's shoes, would you have liked to relive the moment you publicity m@sturb@ted...WHILE HIGH? Lexie seems so innocent, but she knew what she was doing was wrong from the jump, she even had to ask Fez for reassurance. As of the show, I wanted SO MUCH MORE this season but it was good nonetheless
Preach, some things are meant to be kept private, and that was just taking it too far for Lexi, in my opinion. I wonder who would have filled Lexi in, probably Maddy or Kat.
Yeah Cassie couldn’t exactly control herself after taking the molly during that episode, and I sure as hell wouldn’t want to see someone reenact that moment.
Finally one other person who saw lexi’s play as a really mean thing to do and honestly the only reason other characters were written to be unbothered by it was to make it seem like Cassie’s anger was misplaced. Don’t get me wrong Cassie is in the wrong throughout this season but Lexi airing out other people’s trauma / issues on stage while painting herself to be the ultimate victim was a shit move and that would have been further illuminated if someone like rue took offense to her using her fathers death in a hs play.
LITERALLY! lexi is constantly made out to be a victim and the "best girl"..besides what was even the point of the play? it was supposed to be about grace but aired everyone else's dirty laundry.
MEE!!!! I had a discussion with my sister and asked her what she thought and I had pointed out how, while momentarily empowering to Lexi, she still humiliated her sister in front of parents and other students who may not have known about Cassie. While parents may not know who Cassie is their kids do and you know that they are going to be pointing out who she is. Cassie asks Lexi if this was the part that her counter part of the play steals Maddy's counter part's boyfriend and you see Lexi say that she didn't put that plotline, almost like that was doing a favor for Cassie by not including it. But then you have the biggest trigger for Cassie that causes her to attack the actress playing her, which is her carousel scene back in season 1 when she was high. This was where I thought that this was really cruel to do to your sister.
I also didn't like Lexi's play and found it to be unrealistic. NO high school has a school budget to make sets like that for ANY play! Especially a HIGH SCHOOL! Maybe on Broadway but not high school! She had no business airing out everybody's dirty laundry like she did! I thought they wasted 2 episodes on that stupid play when they could have filled up the time with something more relevant that needed to be tied up!
I just feel like the entire plot/theme of this season should've been "actions have consequences" Rue: downwards spiral out on the streets forced to overcome her addiction all alone. Jules: finds trouble with lying about her age to meet strange men online. Kat: realizing that being a cam girl is dangerous once someone tracks your IP adress and stalks you. Maddy: realizing that in life you have to work hard for the glamorous things you want & make questionable choices in the process. Mckay: trying to overcome toxic masculinity put onto him by his friends and father. Nate: suffering great karma behind ruining others lives. Cassie: struggles in finding self love. Fez: trying to find a life purpose while trying to get him & ashtray out the Dr.. business. Lexi: finally finding a voice and confidence. Weirdo Sam dropped the ball with this season.
True my problem with this season I wished they worked better with the characters like they did with the first season like also something that happened on the original show of Israeli of euphoria, kat got HIV and that makes her feel like what she did was really bad idk why they cut out in the American show for some reason...
@@Jimin-km9qx It could be a mainstream thing, but there are millennials who think of HIV and the AIDS crisis as a fairy tale. I worked with a 19 year old guy who hooked up with guys bareback on Grindr. Kids think they're invincible at that age.
people who say that this show shows an "Extremely realistic" representation of ALL high schools in America clearly doesn't have their head screwed on straight
In one of the “behind the episode” segments for the early episodes Sydney Sweeney was doing an interview where she literally says “Sam called me and asked what the craziest thing Cassie would do” in reference to Cassie & Nate hooking up. So it’s very obvious Levinson was going ONLY for shock value
honestly after the first season ended and when the trailer for this season dropped, i just knew the show was going even farther in a direction where shock value and the highest amount of drama possible were going to be valued more than storytelling. the dismissal of mckay bothered me especially because he was, in season one, the *only black guy* in the main cast and they barely did enough to develop him. then this season comes along and they decide to drop him all together. the fact that algee smith didn't even audition for mckay but was told that the "athletic" character fit him better is...whew
I personally watch Euphoria simply for the drama because it definitely doesn’t disappoint in that aspect. But the way that Sam Levinson wrote the characters this season was disappointing. The hyper-fixated on how the sexual these 16-18 year olds are, relationships being broken off randomly and messily, it makes the show feel like Riverdale on drugs, literally. Like instead of being a heavy piece about teenagers and their families working through trauma and seeking peace of mind, it became meme material and softcore p***. And seriously, WHY WERE THERE SO MANY SHOTS OF CASSIES BOOBS?!?! Even Sydney Sweeney said she was uncomfortable with how many shots there were. Like I can assure you, we do not need to see a 17 year old topless every episode or any episode for that matter.
Euphoria was going in a great direction with the issues they spoke on then totally fucked it up from Mckays SA, Kats Sex Work, jules lying about her age, Maddie being coerced into lying about rape, etc etc. they didn’t address any of this shit. Also I did NOT like the vibes of szn 2. Season 1 had such a unique vibe, amazing cinematography, etc. season two was sooo boring
I agree on the vibe, I watched it all like a month ago cause it wasn’t available in my country, I got so obsessed of the first season, it was so unique and cool, I even waited a bit before starting the second season cause I didn’t want it to end too soon, but it was so disappointing it felt so different
i never found euphoria to be groundbreaking. the cinematography was really cool but the writing since the very beginning was pretty bland. it was “shocking” i guess, but that was it.
Yeah watching the first season when it came out I felt it was new and interesting with the glitter but once that faded away I notice the problems way more clearly
I feel like it's more style over substance. The stuff in Euphoria has been done in other teen shows and other shows and probably better in other shows.
I think there were issues that were depicted in a very raw and real way like Rue's addiction( especially in season2) or when she was so depressed she couldn't even get up to pee and a whole lot of other issues without being glamorized. But in season 2, except for Rue's addiction and Lexi's issues with being in her sister's shadow her whole life, most of the arcs are becoming just like a regular teen drama show. Plus I hate how they glamorized Lexi's rebellion to being in the shadow. Dating a drug dealer and making a play airing out people's business for attention and out of spite is not the way to take control of your life.
Also interesting about Kat: recent studies have shown that children who watch/make pornography will often have the same symptoms as victims of CSA. Would have been interesting to see the mental and emotional struggle of her recovering from that period and eventually finding her own self-confidence.
@@xcobmi damn that just reminded me of that nightmare dream sequence with Nate, he's gotta have so much trauma from growing up and watching those discs of cal
The 12 year old being a drug dealer really isn’t that unrealistic to me. Like I grew up on a council estate, there’s a correlation between poverty and drug use. When I was younger I would pick up drugs from 12-14 year old drug runners who look just like Ashtray.
euphoria, on the whole, just seemed empty, meaningless and shallow to me. style over substance. it’s trashy, no real emotion beyond surface level. it’s giving riverdale.
i think what saves euphoria is the acting and some of the aesthetic cause the plot this season was not it, they were episodes where literally nothing happened
I completely agree with both the ethical and plot-related criticisms you mentioned. I understand that shows sometimes leave cliff-hangers for the next season, but this season felt like it left sooo many plot holes and so many foreshadowed directions unexplored that it’s hard to believe it was all intentional.
people who say that this show shows an "Extremely realistic" representation of ALL high schools in America clearly doesn't have their head screwed on straight
though sydney sweeney’s performance this season was fantastic, im so angry at the direction they took for Cassie. It’s like everything she went through season one as well as her relationship with Mckay didn’t exist. they needed a device to keep the audience and they chose the Cassie/Nate/Maddy love triangle, even when they fleshed out Cassie and Nate’s unrequited attraction / their relationship it was so out of character and out of thin air
i read somewhere on twitter that it was initially supposed to be nate & jules hooking up in s2 but hunter/jacob off screen drama led Sam to replace jules with cassie
It's actually because of that traumatizing relationship with McKay breaking up with her that she's spiraling out of her mind so much that she's messing with her Best friends exs
@@kikikiller1153 she explicitly broke up w him for good *after* the fact, and was determined to try and steer away from relationships as early as the s1 finale where she even asked her "friends" to intervene if she does happen to mess with anyone - which absolutely no one even tried to do in any substantial way. i think it's pretty clear some characters had to be rewritten as uncaring etc. to have this whole nate/cassie plotline happen in a way it otherwise wouldn't have (definitely not like this)
They tried with the love triangle so hard to be 2000s teen dramas like gossip girl or one three hill. Like bro why cant you just have original ideas instead of just copying scenes from other tv shows!
So Euphoria is basically a live-action anime with how it puts high-school kids in bizarre situations with no responsible adults in sight. Are we sure it's not based on a light-novel???
While I liked Elliott's song, and I know that they had to find a way to utilise Dominic Fike's talents as a musician in the show, it might have been better had he just sung one verse and chorus, and not grind the entire plot to a halt for four minutes.
The song itself wasn't the problem, it was the lack of visual storytelling. Season 1 finale featured that full 3 minute "All For Us" song but it was an elaborated choreographed piece showing Rue going into relapse. Having Zendaya and Dominic just awkwardly stare at each other for the whole song was a bit lazy given what the show is capable of.
If they're going to have high schoolers in these really adult situations, I think they have a responsibility to make sure they get out of it in a realistic way. Because if not, what story is the show really telling?
Mina, I do think that something right in this season is Jules aesthetic. She is experimenting with gender, and now know she doesn't need to be hyper-feminine or girly to be considered a woman.
i agree about the styling but then she cheats rue with elliot? i mean... his character is not even fully developed at all lol if they introduced a boy that fucks with gender too... but he's just a silent guy with an edgy look and jules falls so hard for him... bullshit tbh
Couple notes on Ashtray: I live in a city very blighted by drug use/abuse. I have definitely seen child drug dealers. Also, his and Fez's lack of a legal guardian is not hard to believe if you grow up in a bad neighborhood with crime all around you. Lots of kids slip through the cracks, unfortunately. Otherwise, I really liked your analysis, especially of Lexi's play
same here. the area i grew up in had a lot of children involved in dealing drugs, and i knew a few people in highschool that got expelled for dealing. i don't think it's unrealistic to portray, honestly. just very sad
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking Lexi was wrong for that play- everyone thought it was so iconic and that everyone deserved to see their wrongdoings for what they were on the stage, but it was so clear to me that Lexi was just doing it out of spite and finally wanting to have the attention on herself, not to "help anyone" or "show them their true selves" or something.
Exactly ! I really hate Lexi so much, she's literally victim-blaming herself when she had NO RIGHT at all to display her literal friends and sister's personal experience.
I think we all know she was wrong but all the characters have done something wrong and as the audience it’s entertaining to see the play. But she was still wrong
Hot take: It was never not mediocre. The only thing that saved the first season from not being was them having a story to tell with specific character introductions and story arcs in mind. And from the looks of things they should have let it be, if they didn't have any more stories that they were passionate enough to tell, why would they wreck the luck that they had with the first season firing on all cylinders. The only reason is money, and milking it for all it's worth.
The first season still had a lot of unresolved storylines. If they just let it be then we as fans would be frustrated since there's no conclusion to the story. Even if your story is character driven you still need to resolve each of their plot lines. Season 2 could have continued where season 1 left off. It wasn't just about the money. They also needed to continue to pick up where the story left off. The problem is they forgot about the plot lines they established from season 1.
@@chesirescat1246 The plot still works in 2022. Because we're still dealing with these issues now. The problem is those issues the show was tackling were forgotten in season 2.
@@fusi_dy7072 The show recieved critical acclaim during it's first season. It only became mediocre during the current season. When you achieved critical acclaim the first time we expect you to be consistent with delivering quality story telling. They didn't make season 2 just for the money. The show was still left unfinished. There were character arcs and plot lines that needed to be resolved. Which completely got forgotten once season 2 started airing.
Am I the only one who thought Lexi's play was extremely cruel? I would never embarrass my sister like that, just because I'm in her shadow. Yes, Cassie committed a whole lot of unsavoury deeds this season but to be humiliated like that by her own sister was not cool. Lexi definitely became a villain this season.
nope me too. it felt like she made the entire play just to shame her sister and show how she is the sweet innocent one that gets overlooked by everyone. and god she went so far off to show that carousel scene- it was such a bad traumatizing experience for cassie and lexi decided its good to recreate it in front of the entire school without her permission. so disgusting. idk why all the fans of euphoria hyped up lexi after the play because imo she was being a bitch
it baffles me when i read comments saying that the whole play was justified. the carousel scene was completely unwarranted. you don't just air out your own sister's dirty laundry like that. it was very low and selfish from lexi but every just applauds her for it.
About Lexi, I have to agree, because showing your sister's private matters even as a play which honestly people already kind of can tell it's about Cassie, really, is not okay. It doesn't make Lexi better than her, it's just her own way of hurting her sister and worsens the situation imo
@B Lor and she literally just asked the principal and it got made. Like how can a student just ask to make a play and it happens? That's what an elementary student thinks high school is like. And we never see the production being made. Just lexi writing, and mentions of rehearsals and it apparently just happens.
There was wayyyy too much focus on Cassie this season. I think her storyline is important but i really wanted to see Kat’s relationship under the strain of her self confidence issues. Also the Jules/Nate situation really kept me on the edge of my seat in s1. They just threw away so many good plot lines. Sam Levinson really needs a writing team
Jules and Nate low key gave me Kylo Ren and Rey vibes (or Kylo and Rey before Kylo turned good). Like both kept me on the edge of my seat because there was, as someone beautifully described it, a twisted affection between the characters. you want the girls to run and you know that the guys are gonna screw them over, but the on screen chemistry leaves you wanting more between them. Also the whole “she brings out his good side” trope is cool to watch as long as the girl doesn’t end up becoming the guy’s therapist. I too am sad that the writers gave up that in favor of Nate and Cassie’s relationship. At least Nate and Jules’s dynamic was toxic in an intriguing way. And I also wish Kat and Ethan’s relationship explored in more depth
A lot of heavy shit was thrown the first season, but never explained fully, never handled with maturity They don't sit back nd write down how Kat chose a damaging path looking at it as empowering as a kid They never bring up the trauma McKay faced for being sexually assaulted They never bring anything Nd if they couldn't handle these issues, they shouldn't have brought it up nd glorified
@@alyssapinon9670 Nate and Cassie make no sense to me as a couple. They have no chemistry. Like I get why it happened, Nate was looking for the polar opposite of Maddy and Cassie's self esteem issues made it impossible for her to say no to any guy. But I just felt personally really uninvested in that storyline and it's stupid that so much time was devoted to it. (And I mean really, a lot of the tropes in Euphoria have been done many times before by teen shows, they're just more Euphoria-style. We got two love triangles in the second season alone, Maddy-Nate-Cassie and Rue-Elliot-Jules).
@@sayalideshmukh7015 ikr?! I feel like they left so much unaddressed like she had an abortion, broke up with mckay, and none of it is explored they could have done so much with that. It's just disappointing since they tied her "development" with nate who is an awful person, and even though she made mistakes she is generally a sweet character in season 1. it comes at such a left field bc she and maddy seem to have such a strong bond and instead, they're just pitted against each other over NATE?? like c'mon now
I wish Nate got SOME consequences for his actions. Like what happened in season 1, when that detective was like hmm something’s not adding up here about the Jules/Nate/Maddie thing after Nate blamed that random guy for choking Maddie… I feel like that was just forgotten?? I thought we were going to see an investigation on him develop but I guess not
FRRR!!!!! it's been 2 seasons and he is still not having any consequences on his psychotic actions, it almost seems like he's the only one getting justice and overall what he wants
Agree with lots of these points.. but I actually liked Jules' wardrobe change, felt as if she was experimenting with her queerness after breaking out of the hyperfemininity she felt forced to manifest in Season 1 so that people wouldn't question her identity
It's in character for her. She wouldn't have taken that sitting down, and after being held at gunpoint by Nate, I can't really blame her for losing her patience and going after Cassie especially when it was clear she thought she could provoke Lexi (and Maddy by association) without getting a response in return.
@@corneliastreets what I don't understand is why she didn't tell Cassie Nate held a gun to her head? I understand she's still mad at Cassie. But if my ex held a gun to head and he was dating my old best friend I'd have to warn her because I'd be afraid he would snap and murder her. Would she be afraid he'd retaliate ?
@@user-nf9xm7is3m She didn’t tell her cuz not everything has to be literal in shows and movies. I feel like that scene was there for the shock value, just like many others and it wasn’t supposed to be discussed more.
@@petrauhrakova I know that not everything in euphoria was literal but I thought that scene was literal , he even had the gun at different scenes in the show
Exactly, but I mean, that was incredibly obvious from the get-go, what with how it perpetuates harmful stereotypes that clearly shows a lack of understanding.
I feel Kats and Jules friendship should have been a included instead of the elliots love triangle drama Both already have so much in common to begin with, their body image issues and how they use their sexuality for approval and false empowerment. and since both of them aren't doing the best with their romantic relationships, its very fitting for them to reconnect or to actually bond properly of their shared pain, Kat was Jules first friend in the new school after all. sam levinson has like all the ingredients ready to prepare good ass meal, but instead he goes into a store to buy a frozen pizza. i have no idea what they will do in season 3 but i don't think i will be interested to continue watching it.
i think jules' style change was to reflect her journey with her gender. moving away from the skimpy, traditionally feminine, borderline childish clothing and silhouettes; and leaning more to traditionally masculine silhouettes, (not fond of this word but) androgynous clothing. but still having fun prints, experimenting with layers, and repping newer, indie brands to like represent jules' individuality, creativity, and trans/queerness. so i dont think the change was too bizarre & out of place also, loved the editing on this video. the colors are so nice. and the soft blur too
i agree. i also thin k her fits were like natural like she would already have that stuff in her closet. it just sucks they involved elliot and made her story line about a guy.
i agree with you. unfortunately, while she was showing this change of character through her clothes, she failed to show it through her actions. i'm so disappointend with how her character was written for this season, because she has so much potential.
Agreed. And the way Sam took away (almost) all of her character from S1/her special episode, and made her extremely oblivious to Rue’s drug abuse, just to get the fantasy of a guy getting in between two sapphic women is downright diabolical 😭
jules's storyline involving sleeping with older men in motels etc. is a pretty common experience with young trans girls. all of these unhealthy experiences make you feel "validated" in your feminity, as well as dealing with the anxiety of dating as a trans person in general, since a lot of ppl are still not fully open about being attracted to trans women. not to say that these experiences are in fact empowering in any way, but it is still a pretty real depiction of being out as a teenager unfortunately.
The problem is that it doesn't really do the work that the subject needs. It's a sensationalist romanization for edgy drama rather than a thoughtful and empathetic depiction of the experiences of trans teenagers, *children.* It doesn't follow through in representing the trans experience and the effect these issues have on people, its really just another shock factor way of putting teenage characters into dangerous and inappropriate sexual situations for drama and not about doing any justice to the reality of those situations.
@@vaoseafaatuono9754 yup. Everyone was staring at cassie so, knowing how highschool work, many people kept gossipping for days. It's like one of those rumors that everyone ends up knowing, even it they don't even personally know the person involved
@@vaoseafaatuono9754 you never know most siblings talk and even if she did hear it through gossiping that's still a very embarrassing part of her sisters life that she put out for everyone to see and that's not cool
@@j_ea8238 "most siblings talk", I guess that's true but that's clearly not the case for them. That part of her sister's life was alredy put out for everyone to see
The fact that they never addressed Rue owing $10K to the drug dealer had me stressed out for her the entire rest of the season. I literally thought she was going to get grabbed on the way out of Lexi's play. But nope, just never bring it back up.
I haven’t finished yet, but I’m so annoyed that this didn’t get resolved. I think if you’re going to bring up intense, harsh themes like drug dealers and traffickers and addiction, follow through. Or don’t bring it up at all. Don’t turn a 12 year old into a murder and have a main character cross a drug dealer with no emotions apparently and just walk away?? I dunno if I even want to finish this
Rue isn't a reliable narrator, so there's no way that she actually stayed clean for the rest of the year. the fact that the scene of Lexi and Rue talking supposedly after the play but the scene was shown to be IN the play means the storytelling and narration aren't as straightforward as people think they are. the Laurie plotline will definitely play a role in season 3.
Everyone kinda predicted ashtray's death since the actor is going on to play in the new season of umbrella academy.... he just couldn't do two shows and his boxing all at the same time.
I’m getting Game of Thrones vibes where the creators ride off the high of early success and the fact that they aren’t good writers and don’t believe in themes can be propped up enough by cinematography, fan culture, and incredible acting to still remain engaging (until it crumbles at the end of course)
It is! I know people who are older than me who watch it and like genuinely think.. "oh man this is real. This is the real world this is how it is, I don't want to see this show because it makes me think of my own kids" and blah blah blah like.. I think older people are more naive than younger people sometimes lol.
That's how tv has always been like. Adult at best are going with what they vaguely remember growing up in school. Degrassi is the only show that was the most "realistic". Euphoria is for millennials. Teen show are normally a generation behind with some modern flavoring.
Dude FINALLY someone talks about how dumb and bad and wrong lexi's play was. I got laughed out of some other comments for pointing out that her play's production is so overblown it very much took me out of the show, but that was really the tip of the iceberg. The fact lexi (and fans of the show for that matter) saw nothing wrong with writing about her friends & sisters personal lives and problems without their consent and put it on for the whole high school to see? Never in a million years would anyone be okay with that.
Also that carousel scene was not needed at all , and how the hell does Lexi knows that Cassie masturbated on carousel and if she saw that why the hell she didn't stop her , and if she got to know from someone else how the hell is scene so vivid IDC if it is her "imagination" it was too real.
Personally I was just in it for the drama and didnt care who she humiliated 😂 Thats the only way I can watch Euphoria, purely brain turned off fiction.
@meggie yeah agreed! I wrote and directed a play in high school, and it was a fairly decent sized school too (around 1500 students) with an acclaimed theater department and even their biggest productions were nowhere near what the show did for lexi's play. It was like the show forgot that the production should look high school level and made it as realistic as it could be. I was so distracted by every play scene bc the show got every single thing wrong with how theater works, not just high school level theater, but theater in general. Like if they wanted to make that Lexi's story this season I would've appreciated if they got a single thing right yknow lol
@meggie I agree too. I went to a selective school that did 4 big school plays once every year, from all four houses (I went to school in England and most schools have 4 houses, that's why there are 4 houses in Harry Potter), and all classes were cancelled on the big day. And the sets were usually handmade and not as elaborate as this, later our new head teacher even stopped us from having painted backgrounds 💀
I think Euphoria would have really benefited from having one or two "normal characters" that we are able to compare the main characters to. I found that when watching it, seeing all of the main characters being "messed up" to some degree ends up.. normalising (not the right word) their actions?
Maybe Lexi was so supposed to be that character? I've always liked her because she was the only I could really relate to, because she's the only "normal" one.
Glad to see Im not the only one to find the show mediocre. The drug and dangerous sex situations are pretty accurate for some of me and my friends high school experiences but the writing feels overblown, plus Im pretty uncomfortable with the stuff ive heard about the cast not appreciating the sexualization under Sam's direction. Its messy.
i heard Sydney Sweeney was really uncomfortable with a lot of the nude scenes and he basically talked her into them. my husband said, probably halfway through season 1, “if this bitch gets naked one more time they better give her a porn credit or something, Jesus” lol
@@SocialExperiment232 oh for sure! With Sydney’s statement about nudity, I agree in that women get blamed more than men but.. I sort of felt like her response was carefully crafted so as not to make her seem difficult to work with. 😬 like you said, it would not surprise me if she comes out with a different statement later on.
@@SocialExperiment232 It hasn't even been months and yet the actresses playing Faye and Maddy's boss (+Sydney) publicly stated that they were uncomfortable because the nudity made no sense, and brought nothing extra to the plotline. 😬 The actress playing Laurie's character said that the original script for the scene where Laurie helps Rue get into the bathtub before injecting her with morphine was awfully gross and almost pedophilic.
@@alexmavigok really? Wow that Laurie scene sounds crazy. I was already disturbed by the time rue was forced to get naked by that drug dealer character. Hard to even imagine how he could make those scenes worse. The fact that he made Chloe Cherry uncomfortable and she’s an adult film star seems very telling to me.
if you watched jules' special episode, it highlights how she fears femininity might've conquered her. hence season 2 shows her in more masculine silhouettes and colors. her character becomes freer and more comfortable, she's no longer new in town and she doesn't feel like proving herself to anyone anymore.
Also, I totally get what Heidi Beveins was saying about situations where her dressed in her S1 silhouette wouldn't be appropriate/ would work with the scene. Like she's not going to show up to stage an intervention dressed like she's going to fashion week... her outfits aren't top of mind at this point, so it makes sense that she's very dressed down.
She’s also been in the small town for a while by season 2 so she’s naturally going to start adopting clothes that are different from the original “just moved from the big city girl” looks
EXACTLY. people defend lexi’s play and don’t think it’s justified that cassie called Lexi out, like they wouldn’t be pissed if someone did the same thing to them.
@@sophilia8565 this is honestly a narcissist way of thinking about "humbling someone" IT IS possible to idk, try to TALK to them or maybe suggest therapy lmao. Like putting on this big play exposing all their trauma isn't the only option .. this generation is savage and not in a good way
@@love-ip7sz Cassie is the fucking narcissist. She is literally experiencing the consequences of her own actions lmao. Idk why everyone wants to pretend she's some victim bc she cries about everything and pathetically begs for male attention. Sorry but someone had to break the illusion she is a sweet innocent do gooder
@@sophilia8565 If you really knew what a narcissist is you wouldn't say that. That's such a fucked up thing to say. She is a teenager with probably mental issues that should be addressed. Yes, she isn't innocent, but she is certainly not a narcissist. Secondly how the hell can you say she deserves it ?! Showing in front of dozens of you schoolmates your sister's traumas is just such a fucked up thing to do ! How can she deserve that ?! That's not how you become better ! Lexi is the one victim-blaming herself when she had literally NO RIGHT at all to display such personal information about the ones she calls her sister and friends.
@@thisisnotauserthisisaghost sorry but exactly what in that play was traumatic for Cassie? Humping a carousel? Honestly Lexi was kind with what she left out
The drug and sex depiction is actually fairly accurate - especially for more low income areas. Kids are born into drug dealing, so yes - ash is not the norm, but it happens. I think your view is a little too sheltered here. Elliot is a functioning drug addict, while rue isnt. Theres no message, it's just reality that these two can exist at the same time. All in all, I do agree about the writing overall tho. Sam really needs a co writer to keep him in check. The first season was fine because is was all about introducing the characters. But connecting now those plotlines is another thing and he...kinda failed Elliots song was beyond cringe, i think my soul left my body and skipped that shit forward lol
Yes I also think her view is also shelter on “being dramatic” with ashtray. The shoot out and not being able to go to school stuff like this does happen nobody else is telling him no or to stop. There was big hints already how naturally violent he gets, but no other serious convo about it tbh the police did what they had to do child or not he’s the shooter sadly, his brother wasn’t getting thru to him. Also he really can’t go to school without lying about having a birth certificate, since the mom said “watch my child” and never came back. Overall it’s just a tragic situation clearly nobody gets to see until it’s on the news it happens in my poor ass area :/
I went to high school with the full spectrum of middle class students. It was a school of 3000 with really competitive academics and sports and a decently funded arts department, at least compared to “rival” public schools. There was a not insignificant amount of heroine and Coke passed around the upperclassmen when I was a freshman. Enough that one of my classmates kind of fell into it. And of course lotta pot. Kind of insane sex rumors, obviously most of them probably fake, but the ones that I knew about…man, the kernel of truth wasn’t just a kernel. A few rape accusations, a couple of suicides, and then multiple deaths every year. None were drug related, somehow. My mom was a doc for the hospital by the university on the other side of town where a lot of the high schoolers would party. A senior came in ODed on heroine. When he finally came to, she absolutely interrogated him if I was involved. Like, euphoria is insane, but it’s not that insane. Ashtray was perhaps the most unusual part of the show for me, but only because I never knew a dealer under 16. Also, this was pretty miserable to live through.
maddy didn’t have that much air time but she had the most character development..in the short time we see her you can really see how much she’s matured. the scene where she fought cassie, seems more of her finally deciding to put her in her place after trying to be the bigger person. i don’t think it made her go back to square one when she was messy. she just had enough of cassies bs and gave in-which is natural.
I agree, Cassie had it coming. I think their scene at the end when Maddy was like “it’s just the beginning” it’s kinda like she finally pulled away from Cassie and Nate and is going to continue her life w/o them. And like she got her closure, not a good closure but a necessary one.
Am I wrong to think that a 12 year old drug dealer isn’t that unrealistic? I think it really depends where you grow up. When I was in middle school I know someone who was literally a hard drug dealer and got stabbed and couldn’t go to the hospital so just came to school and showed everyone his stab wound lmao like the storylines align with the craziest aspects of real teen experiences
I don't know how common it is in the US, but here in Brazil I unfortunately still see it very often. My cousin died at age 14 because of his lifestyle (he also started it at age 12). His dad is still in prison and his mom (my auntie) went crazy, now her 2 other kids kinda survive on their own, I wish I could help but they live in another state and my family it's just not close to them :(
@@eglop5841 the worst part it's how "numb" we get to violence and all of that. It should be shocking but it isn't. Today I was going to school and I passed by a group (we call boca de fumo, it's where drug dealers usually stay to sell drugs and watch the neighborhood/streets) and I saw people who looked my age (mostly young boys) and it's crazy how these people are holding big ass guns and I'm just like "hey excuse me I'm late for school"
@@ennauak that’s actually so terrible i’m from the US so i didn’t know the severity of how bad things are in certain other areas of course i’m aware some conditions are really dangerous but to learn of it from someone directly living through that is a new experience i’m so so sorry you have to live through that every day. i hope you’re able to move away from that lifestyle eventually
Don't forget DRAKE is executive producer on a bunch of eps!!!! Using adult actors to play kids being sexy and having him AKA a known CREEP having a large role is just so gross!!! Also having the writers channel their cis-het white story through a) a queer black woman (rue) and b) a TRANS woman is just do yuck!!! Hunter Schafers writing in the Jules special just showed how having trans voices helping write a trans character is so important!!!!
I think Jules change of wardrobe has a lot more to do with her relationship with the hormones and how she doesn’t see the necessity of looking ultra feminine all the time to prove her femininity anymore. We can kind of understand this change in the special episode when she talks about stopping with her hormones and seeking male validation to feel more feminine, this combined with the slightly influence of her small friend circle makes her change in her style believable to me.
"why does this 12 year old not go to school, isn't it, like, a law in America?" - as if the law seems to guide Fez or Ashtray in any other part of their lifestyle hahahha
Lexi's play was the highlight of the season for me, especially Ethan playing multiple roles. I'm glad that he's channeling the breakup with Kat into something productive.
I’m so lame, I hated the stage play thing. I kept thinking wow how did they get the budget for this, how did they allow her to make a play about the other girls at school. Too much suspension of disbelief required I guess.
@@janine7384 I agree with you saying that the play wouldn't or couldn't have happened in real life but I did think it was entertaining, especially Ethan
Personally I thought it was weird that they didn't show more of Jules' and Elliots reaction to Rue's 'outburst' when she was going through withdrawal. Especially since Jules' mom was an addict, I just can't understand how she would sit there acting calm and let Rue scream all of these hurtful things to her. And then after that we see nothing of how she dealt with that? I hope this will be addressed later because they left Rue's and Jules' storyline on a very weird note here..
I think she was sitting there seemingly calm BECAUSE of her experience with her mum. She knows that shouting back at her of freaking out or drawing parallels to her mum isn't going to do anything constructive. Jules is doing her best to not make the situation about herself (because she knows that it is the withdrawals talking, not really Rue) and just to remind Rue that she is there to support her and that she loves her, despite the fact that she is heartbroken.
And even more confusing is how Rue attacked her mom and sister, broke down a door (scary stuff)…then we find out that Jules and Elliot were just sitting there the WHOLE TIME?!… none of them thought to intervene to prevent her from hurting anyone?????!!!!!
As somebody with an addict mom, sitting and staring is all you can manage after a certain point. You get very used to the hurtful things they say so quick and you learn to completely shut down when you’re yelled at, resorting to trying to show them the most love you can while being told you’re the worst.
I lived with drug addicts. You can't let what they say affect you because its not who they are. I'm assuming they just let Rues actions roll off because its her addiction that's speaking.
My takes on Euphoria are these: Jules was killed by Sam Levinson lmao, dude too her character and made it shitty Lexi was toxic af for airing Cassie's issues to EVERYONE on her hs (also her play was a pos, i don't know why everyone thought she ate that) Nate (i don't know if this is true, more than a theory) i'm bored and tired of the "i'm a closeted gay therefore i am extremely hom0ph0bic to gays" Cassie is a cliche; girl with daddy issues that gew up to be hypersexual (also Sam Levinson weird thing for having her naked all the time is creeppy) Fezco, if Fez was a black character nobody will pay attention to him. Also people love to romanicize him and call him "pure, good" NO HE'S NOT, he's a drug dealer. He probably sold drugs to Rue!! (No hate to Angus Cloud he looks like an amazing guy) Lexi and Cassie's mom (i forgot her name) is an awful mother and we can see she's often neglectful towards her kids. She's not a queen. Kat got a lot of hate for what she did to Ethan, which was bad, but she didn't own him anything and if she wasn't feeling it then it was the right decision to left him (she could have been better at breaking up with him)
This is why I don’t agree with solo writers room, you need that balance to keep your own BS at bay. Also, I’m here for the cinematography of this show but I enjoyed the first season and the standalone better. I will watch season 3 but I don’t know - I think Sam had clear favorites. I want to see what’s up with Nate’s queerness. Rue needs her ass handed to her. Jules needs to just be single, same with the rest of them actually lol
@@andreinapereira552 It's not cliché, but it became unrealistic this season, it was very forced and almost impossible to take seriously. In the first season her character was well written and also well structured, but in the second season everything is based on her relationship with Nate and having sex (and I find Sam's obsession with Syd very disturbing), when they would have made much better use of her character. Her storyline was very good and also the daddy issues could've been a good arc for this new season, but they exploited it all badly. Love triangles are boring on their own, if you base an entire season on them nothing interesting can come of it
I felt like as a young gay person Jules sleeping with older men and her underaged. That whole situation is so realistic. I definitely was so close to being in situations like that. And alot of young gays and trans girls go through stuff like that
@@soho6435 it's different for everybody but mostly validation. And I think that scene with Cal and Jules is pretty relatable for a lot a queer teenagers, including me.
@@soho6435 it's daddy issues. Young gay and trans kids don't usually have supportive fathers that make them feel safe and usually fend for themselves which is why they can seem so bitchy. Cause its just a defense mechanism of living a hard life. So getting a strong man that makes you feel safe it's kinda something they probably subconsciously seek out. Probably a yearning for stability and protection they never got to have.
@@ressesdave2250 i agree though for jules it was more her wanting to be seen as more “feminine” by sleeping with much older men, even if they didn’t see her as a real woman
Yeah in my experience too it’s hard finding queer people your age and feeling attractive to a straight society so going on apps and finding older people (either for friendship or for sex) to validate you isn’t unrealistic
unpopular opinion, but honestly......the writing was always kind of weak from the very beginning (plus hot take but i think him putting so much value on style over substance is v telling of his own confidence in the show's writing and ability to tell a story w/o all the visual aspects of the show) and i'm in the opinion that the acting is what truly made me stick with the show. it's just that s2 made those flaws even MORE blatant. imo, i do think sam has a lot of good ideas, but the execution can be very hit or miss. they need to use some of that budget to get him a writer's room for next season cause this isn't it.
@@laura.bt83 yeah, the technical aspects + the acting were always the strongest things about the show during s1 which made the incredibly weak writing less noticeable. now that the visual aspect of the show, while still fantastic, is FAR more subdued in comparison to s1, the flaws in the story/dialogue/character arcs became faaaar more obvious.
@@Jimin-km9qx eh, i enjoyed season one enough, but the writing was my biggest issue while watching which is why i'm not too surprised it fell off in s2. to each their own though.
As a plus size person watching Kat get no proper storylines or anything is just disappointing. Like even have her at this point, if you are not giving her anything to work with.
i heard someone describe euphoria as a show meant for adults who want to remember what being a teen felt like, not what it WAS like, and it made more sense to me (even if I still dislike with a lot of the storylines). When you're a teen, everything feels very serious, permanent, and like the end of the world. Your emotions are so intense and draining, and every social struggle feels like it'll be what ends your life. As for the lack of consequences, yeah_bc most of the time, the issues that teens panic the most about are often ultimately inconsequential. And yes, i know there are teenagers who DO really experience serious struggles, addiction, assault, violence, and problems in the home. But they react with the same level of heightened emotions that their peers do when facing way less intense struggles. Personally, I would LOVE a more shows like PEN15 that accomplish that same effect but let the audience see it from a distance. Because I remember what it was like being a 13 year old girl-everything felt so dramatic amongst my friends/social circles and yet I somehow ignored all the home life problems that I came home to. And i can watch THAT show and laugh/cry along with the main characters and understand their very real, if less dramatic, pain. My biggest issue with Euphoria, really, is... why the fuck are adults so invested in experiencing their youth again that they need to see teenagers on screen like that..... do we really need to see kids fucking 30 times in one episode to remember what it was like getting physical with our peers for the first time??
Honestly, I can’t watch it. It has so many “shock values” that I feel anxious and stressed after each episode. It is so ridiculous and the nudity/glorification of sexual exploitation just make me sick to my stomach.
I grew up pretty poor and adjacent to “rougher”crowds and have met 12-year-olds who really aren’t that far off from Ashtray. It seems over-the-top but these kids exist.
I feel as if it's a bit privileged for Mina to say that 12-year-old drug dealers don't exist, because they do and they're having to deal in order to survive. I know she didn't mean to though.
@@peachiichipchiii yeah there’s nothing wrong with being unaware of this and I don’t fault anyone for viewing Ashtray’s character as unrealistic, but sadly it is realistic
The one thing I disagree with you on is Jules' costuming. In season 1 her outfits were extremely feminine and quite youthful, because she was trying to "conquer femininity" and gain male validation. Her clothes were SO CUTE, but she wasn't necessarily dressing that way for herself, but rather because, as a trans girl, she felt like she had to meet a higher standard of "femininity" than a cis girl. The changes in her wardrobe in season 2 reflect the fact that she is grappling with her gender identity and that she is trying to dress for herself, for comfort and self-expression, rather than for the male gaze. I personally loved the fact that she dressed a little bit more androgynous and that her clothes were less revealing this season. I think it reflected her growth as a character during season 1 - although its a shame that her character totally regressed this season....
Something I really enjoy about the change in Jules' style is because it has to do with the change in how Jules feels about her gender identity. She starts binding, cuts her hair, and adds masculinity to her fashion. She realizes she was performing a certain find of femininity in season one and she is trying to explore outside of that.
Sam Levinson should have learned from Tyler Perry that being a sole creator of something might actually not be for the better. I get it, he created season 1 himself and it was great, and he's been riding the ego bus ever since but... It's time for more of a collective effort.
I guess he's working off of the creator of squid game's example rather than Tyler perry. Writers really should learn from eachother's mistakes more than their successes.
@@elleofhearts8471 Even by that, Squid Game's creator project was rejected for like 10 years to be accepted in 2019 by Netflix, in which he changed the script many times so it would become better lmao
Euphoria is a spin-off/reboot of an israeli show. Sure, Sam added and changed many elements from the israeli version, but he had already a base to write the first season. He just needs other writers or assistants to tell him "hey yo, this shit doesn't make sense"
@@zarinapena5846 thats even worse smh. I didnt even know that context. That speaks to a certain amount of humility and honesty with oneself as a writer to be able to reflect on your work, take criticism, and make changes. You cant do that if you think every single thing you write is a masterpiece that dare not be changed in the slightest by either yourself or another writer. But i guess they ignored that lesson.
I have a complicated relationship with euphoria too but holy crap season 2 was awful lol. Lexi’s play was fun yet it felt like this season went absolutely nowhere. Elliot singing for 45 minutes and not getting a full Maddie and Cassie fight…. Jules and Kat character’s just going to the trash. Ugh terrible season lol.
jules dresses the way she does in s2 bc before she was dressing for male attention. in her special episode we can see that now she isn’t concerned with men. this is also why it doesn’t rlly make sense for jules to cheat on rue with elliot
@@Therealsoso10 yeah exaclty!! I'm really upset that in the end she hooked up with Elliott because he finds her hot and Rue wasn't giving her enough attention. It would have been nice to have at least one character who is not so obsessed in one way or the other with being desired by man (even though she used to)
It does tho. She's a teen. She can be somewhat self aware of her unhealthy view of men and her feminity, but still want to be with men anyways. Your feelings don't always match up with what the logical side of your brain acknowledges. She is still a teen and has been on hormones , and then admitted part of her expression of feminity is wanting validation from men, to wearing a bind and considering quitting hormones, obviously she isn't solid in anything
@@user-nf9xm7is3m sure, but for her to flat out say “im no longer interested in men” at least twice now just to have her cheat with one? its bad writing
Laurie's thinly-veiled threat WAS addressed in the plot in s2e5. When Rue was going through withdrawal, she went to Laurie as a last resort to get a fix after Fezco threw her out. Laurie told Rue she didn't have any pills, only morphine, insinuating that if Rue wasn't already using intravenous drugs, it was a bad idea to give it to her because IV drugs work quicker and more effectively, opening up the possibility of the addict gaining a new addiction. But this was Laurie being manipulative and disingenuous because when Rue ran to use the bathroom, Laurie went to her suitcase to grab a needle and the morphine in preparation for the inevitability of Rue caving in and asking for anything that will help lessen her suffering, regardless of how risky it is. Laurie knew this because she even told Rue prior that she herself knew how hard going through withdrawal was, and in the past, she would have done to make it stop. She knew Rue would cave and ask for the morphine, and in the suitcase next to the morphine is what looks suspiciously like orange pill bottles with white lids. Having been or is an addict herself, Laurie knew that Rue was unable to keep her word about paying her back after seeing the state she was in. Seeing how desperate Rue was, she knew Rue had no resources to turn to and therefore she was unreliable. She WANTED Rue to develop a new habit that she can supply her with in order to pimp Rue out, making good on both her threat about selling Rue and the comment about the luck they as women have because even if they don't have money, they have something that can be exchanged for it. Rue being kidnapped and locked in a room with Laurie's cronies on lookout was the first step in Laurie's attempt at trying to get her money back. Rue then escapes, and we as viewers are expected to suspend our disbelief of Laurie and her people eventually giving up on finding her or not searching in the first place. What is more probable is that they are probably biding their time until season 3.
THANK YOU! I know people probably wanted a more theatrical, complex scene with Laurie but I felt that whole scene was done very well. If you pay attention to everything she says, watch what she does, etc, you know she intended to keep Rue locked up for however long she pleased.
no consequences, no reflection, no depth. The cinematography is beautiful but I found this season very flat! I think a lot of the criticism about the characters' ages would go away if they developed the stories more and showed their journeys and struggles instead of just giving us pretty things. I'm tired of storylines starting and never being finished, or finished in a rush. TV should be satisfying!!!
I personally like Jules's style shift in s2, especially bc I have been going through a similar journey. She's experimenting with her gender and sexuality, and how to view herself in a not male-gazey kind of way, so it makes sense that her hyper femme clothing is replaced with more a androgynous and experimental style. She was trying to be the perfect girl that all str8 men want in s1 and in s2 she has grown from that. You can still see her passion for fashion but in a different way.
The only thing I found realistic in this season is how awkward it is to have someone play a song for you on guitar.
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the LONGEST 4-5 mins of my life!!!
lmfaoooo i had to skip it after 10 seconds
@@billithekat1088 as someone who is overweight, major depressive, BPD, type 3 fatty liver, and who wanna die was terrible to watch, I mean they could have put scenes of other events, or memories of Rue during the song or just cut it off in the second chorus ( I don't know what's the name, but you know what I mean, don't you?) and add the climax of the song (I'm talking about those parts that go near the end of the songs that make them slower or more vigorous, I'm just an ignorant person of the internet, I'm not so wise to know the name of certain things, I don't even speak English, this is just traductoriorr) but no, they had to record it completely, I had to skip that scene because I was drowning alive in an ocean of cringe.
TOTALLY AGREE OMG
Really wish we got a storyline where Kat realizes her being fetishization isn't empowering, it could go so well with the camgirl storyline and how teenagers think they "owning" their sexualities by being sex-positive, but in reality they're just being exploited.
Exactly!
I was really hoping the influencers scene will somehow lead to that, but no we got fake cancer like what?
That’s how it should’ve gone but instead Sam chose to glamorize all of the above and then further sexualize the characters lmaoo
yeah i thought we were gonna get her realizing she was exploited and potentially dealing w/ the consequences. i thought that setup of her not liking ethan sexually was gonna become a storyline of her analyzing herself and how camgirling like that has shaped how she views relationships. that camgirling isn't like a relationship,, that you have to communicate and see each other as ppl
but no... we didn't get that
Exactly! That would've been the logical progression of her storyline...
Honestly Euphoria s2 felt more like a CW show than an HBO show in terms of writing. The writing this season was so cliched and dumbed down. There was no nuance or subtlety. While Sydney Sweeny acted amazing, Cassie's character arc felt straight out of Riverdale
Precisely, Sydney arguably gave the strongest performance this season, other than Zendaya in the fifth episode, and in general. They've added so many new characters, that they've shuffled previously important characters like Kat and Jules into the background to make room for them.
@@trinaq exactly
no literally. that slow clap when she went "wowwww lexi you REALLY outdid yourself...." like is this disney channel?? 90% sure that's a line from wizards of waverly place or something
@@kaitlynzuniga yup. That whole " I'm a villain" speech was so fucking cringe
@@iusedtowrite6667 I don't see how it was cringe. If I was constantly castigated for my choices, why want to change when you'll still be maligned and hated? I saw it as Cassie purposely being theatrical and sarcastic with that line.
if euphoria took place in college or the characters were around that age, this show would be so much more realistic and less cringey to watch
You really think rue and maddy are going to college? Lmao they are burn outs
100% agree. it would make it a loss less creepy too because at least theyre not supposed to be literal minors
people who say that this show shows an "Extremely realistic" representation of ALL high schools in America clearly doesn't have their head screwed on straight
I disagree, sure most of the storylines would make more sense if the characters were older and more mature, but just the way the characters are written to see them in college would be unrealistic. I understand maybe characters like Nate, Lexi or even Jules, who have ambitions in life, but Maddy or Rue wouldn't make sense to be in college tbh
A lot of the storylines work because of the idea of being forced to be there (it’s high school) and parental control. So there isn’t as much angst in college because by then you’re an adult and can make all your own decisions. There’s also kind of a cool kids and everyone knows everyone thing within the show, which doesn’t really happen in college (cause you know, there’s tens of thousands of students).
What I love about the whole "dress like you go to euphoria high" thing is that if you look at the background characters, they are ALL dressed normal. It's literally just the main cast (like you said, mainly Maddy), the rest of the school looks pretty average haha
Almost like it's... purposeful??? 🤔🤔🤔
yeah fr i always saw people talking about how all their outfits are outlandish and unreasonable. sometimes yes, but most of the time it’s just maddie who has the crazy makeup and outfits, maybe juls too.
The euphoria clothes are honestly self explanatory. Take disney teen shows for example, theyre always wearing some crazy bright clothes with lots of layers. of course they’re gonna dress the main characters differently than the background characters so they’re distinguishable. Euphoria just took the same approach but with a different style
They straight up be dressing like JoJo characters lmao
@@g1ng3rsn4ps WHAAAAT? No way😫😫😫what a concept🙀🙀
someone i know brought up a really good point. because of tik tok, this show has blown up, but to the wrong audience. i know someone in seventh grade who’s obsessed with the show… which is dangerous. i’m an adult and the show takes it’s toll on me, let alone a child that isn’t able to fully grasp the content and distinguish fiction from reality. their way of life is portrayed as aspirational. it’s so so dangerous and i really wish it wasn’t so easily accessible to kids.
Ughhhh that’s honestly really scary.
Totally agree, even with season one if you dont pay attention to the fact rue is supposed to be a unreliable narrator and take what she is saying literal.. that's dangerous
Its one of those shows that ppl will say " Be critical of problematic media!!! " But the problem is yall cant rly deny how its actually problematic. Ppl keep defending bc the aesthetic and the " Topics" That is brought up in the show where i think it's so dramatic for a high school format LOL. And how every fan has very varying takes... Made me think. I only see clips and this show is just okay. Ppl act its a masterpiece bc of the cinematography only lol. Its just fashion.
This feels like the popularity of Glee dialed up to 15 with the toxic shock.
That's the same with my 11 year old cousin who has been finding shows like euphoria from a young age and is now acting up and has a lot of behavioural issues
Let’s talk about how in season 1 they show in one episode how Cassie gets an abortion and they just never mention it again like it’s nothing??
It’s like the characters get traumatized and no one even talks about it like the fact Nate pointed a gun at Maddys head in her bedroom? And then she is sitting there at the play in the same room with him like nothing ever happened .. I enjoy Euphoria but those topics should be discussed and its weird that it’s just forgotten about.
Agreed, that scene with Nate and Maddy was so unsettling to watch.
omg an ABoRtiON!!!! wtf?? some women even have multiple ones tf should they do? and anyway if you really need to see it as tho it messed her up.. I mean you can lol she's super messed up
@@morganamarianana3088 I really don't think having "multiple" abortions is something that should be normalized...not even a single abortion should be normalized but having multiple abortions is just...even more terrible. Abortions are obviously bad for the growing fetus as the life already is in existence but in addition to that, they're very physically taxing for the mother and emotionally taxing for both the mother and the father. Euphoria should have approached this with more sensitivity-they should have showed the after effects, the physical pain, the emotional pain of losing a life...they just kind of wrapped it up. If they have enough time to show detailed s3x scenes then they had enough time to showcase this. They should have also discussed more options such as keeping the baby or putting them up for an adoption. In addition to this, it would've been a great moment to explain sex education to the students but there's not a single teacher in sight. I'm sorry for the long comment but your take was really insensitive.
@John Doe I'm definitely pro-choice and I didn't say that an abortion in itself is terrible- I'm saying having MULTIPLE abortions IS terrible. While the word terrible does reflect the poor choices of the two people who made this decision MULTIPLE times, it also puts emphasis on the fact that how little sex education people get, especially in poorer countries. Everyone should have access to proper abortions and healthcare but if someone is going through it multiple times then it is terrible and either they lack judgement or they're in a situation they need to get out of ASAP. Also, I'm a medical student so please understand that I've studied the effects of abortions on women-most of the times, they're devastating. Also- a person can be pro choice and grieve the life lost-it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. Also- Euphoria is a show and most of the times in situations like these, shows portray discussing a wide range of options which they didn't. Cassie having an abortion is not irresponsible in itself but the factors that led her to that stage demonstrate the irresponsibility of Cassie's parents, McKay's parents and perhaps the teachers. I'm not being politically correct here, if I was then I would just say "abortions are great" but they're not. Having the OPTION of having abortions available is great and a right but pretending that abortions don't come with their own set of problems is problematic. If a person, especially a young person like Cassie who was barely 16 is going to make this decision then they should know what kind of things they're going to face, emotionally and mentally.
Don’t forget McKay’s sexual assault in season one like...they never talked about that again ! What the hell Sam ?
I think the main reason Euphoria occurs in high school is the same reason all these shows occur is high school: it's the only time in your life where you HAVE to see these people five times a week. Look at how Gossip Girl and Riverdale were grasping as straws to get all the characters in the same room post graduation.
There’s also college.
@@Bbbbbbbbb2002 College and high school relationships are completely different in nature. You don't have people around that you've known since childhood and you don't see the same exact people 5+ days a week.
@@lorrainelovesalpacas but it’s still possible. I went to college with people I’ve knew since I was a kid and if you are in a particular program, you will definitely see those same people 5x a week.
good point
Not really. Especially if you have roommates. At that point you’re seeing them everyday.
the magical girl thing with jules- they make specific references to her being a fan of madoka magica in season 1 which is a VERY DARK magical girl anime, which i thought was so telling of her character. she dresses in this cute pastel magical girl way and then participated in some very dark nightlife activity. so her losing that style did i think contribute to her character feeling a little lost, i can totally see that.
Yeahhh madoka fans supremacy ✨
True
I also think she was maybe began wearing with streetwear / baggier clothing after she began dating Rue, like maybe she was inspired by Rue’s fashion and wanted to experiment with it in her own way
@@emilyh7982 That's such an interesting point especially with her wearing Elliot's clothes after the affair and not having a consistent style like before or like Maddy as an example. Her clothes seem to definitely depend on her influences and emotions
also in the special episode we got of her she explains how she feels this constant need to “conquer femininity”. this explains (not excuses) her behavior with all of those older men so i feel like this season with her entering her relationship with rue it makes sense that she takes a darker approach to street wear. not only can you see rue’s influence in her fashion decisions, which could also be seen as a sign of their codependency, but you can also see how she’s maybe evolving out of this need to prove her femininity. this by the way is not to portray hyper femininity negatively (i am extremely hyper feminine), but rather to use clothing to explain jules mindset this season. i feel like maybe for her these ultra feminine outfits were more of a costume or persona. or maybe i’m just giving sam levison too much credit cuz that man’s a mess.
Girl I'm TIRED of the " I'm secretly gay so I harrass and bully out gay's" trope... it's EVERY manly gay character and it's boring
Did they just steal that storyline from Glee? 😟
that trope isn't in the show at all tho
That trope is something that actually happens STILL, welcome to homophobia
Hey we all know Monty from 13 reasons Why did it better or technically worse
Damn imagine being so insecure lmao
They genuinely regressed and destroyed Jules character in this season. Her cheating on Rue with Elliot was uncessary and really fucked her character. Kat's storyline went to shit. The finale was the most underwhelming thing, I've seen in recent time. It literally did nothing of note
Agreed, I hated that Kat and Jules were ignored for much of the season, with Kat being lucky if she even had a line in an episode!
Yup. she was literally like an extra this season. Only limelight she got was that awful breaking up scene
i thought rue and jules were in an open relationship
isn‘t that kind of the point tho? jules special ep made it clear how much she struggles with make validation and defining herself through the way men see her. growth isn’t always linear, sometimes u fall back into old habits and patterns, especially when u are struggling in other areas of ur life (e.g. her relationship to rue, the trauma from nate and call and her relationship to her mother).
@@tergeli5117 i feel like you can do that without the cheating or atleast without trying to make her seem innocent. I like Jules, but the cheating and then the lying was just weird. Like in later episodes she's like, 'i wanna get back with Rue' but like she didn't even apologize for cheating on Rue
Kats cam girl stuff was super uncomfortable to me, because when I was in high school I dabbled in that and it was… terrible.
I didn’t have some sugar daddy paying me hundreds of dollars, I had men from their 20s all the way to their 60s threatening to come find me and hurt me. I was doing it solely for attention and it got completely out of hand and super scary. Some dude found out where I went to school and I ended up having to confess everything to my mom, because I was so scared. I know people have different experiences, but it really bothered me how they glamorized it in Euphoria.
sry that happened 2 u :(
Completely agree. I had similar experiences. 100% for attention. It was an emotionally complex experience, unlike the depiction in euphoria.
I’m so sorry for that yikes 😳 I don’t really understand what they were going for with Kat because in S2 they didn’t talk about it again. Man that sucks
@@sweetembrace6706 This was more than 13 years ago… the internet was a lot different. Plus I usually was just using video chat websites, not websites specifically used for camming.
@@sweetembrace6706 you live in Disney land 🤭 cam sites don't give a fuck
The fact that this season ends with rue a teenage girl owes a potential human trafficker 10k and that’s not even the craziest plot point… I- 🧍🏾♀️
no fr like i feel like they left that
part off … LIKE ???
Girl, I literally see your comments all the time! Everywhere! You are everywhere! 😂 This plot point kind of reminded me of a half-baked copy of Skins season 1 Sid’s episode. If you know you know.
and I know as soon as we get season 3 they’ll just forget about that
But actually thooo coz that had me on EDGE
i was wondering all the time like how is she gonna pay back
I will never stop ranting about McKay. He was literally SA’d in season one and they started to make him a complex character, just to completely ignore him. Cassie and his relationship also had so many depths.
am still pissed off at how the attention was on Cassie when he got assaulted 🤦
Exactly, McKay was a flawed character but deep down a good guy, I wish they explored him more.
@@mayarimayari8322 yesss!!! he definitely should have been talked and shown more this season especially bc of the whole Cassie abortion situation like I don’t get it
@@mayarimayari8322 literally i feel you. Everytime i think of it my blood boils. Bro got violeted in one of the worst ways possible but its Cassie that matters (in that moment)???
I agree, he’s from Saginaw Michigan and I live in Flint about 30 mins away it was nice to see someone from here portray a character on Euphoria. I was upset they did not do more with his character.
I think Jules' outfits changed because during the special episodes she talked about how she is realizing that she doesn't have to be this super feminine person for the male gaze. She can make her woman hood her own. During the special episode she talked about going off hormones. Therefore there is a shift in her wardrobe. Also It upsets me that the storyline of her mother being a drug addict did not get brought up because it mirrors her and Rue's relationship. That could of been one of the sources of conflict rather than having Dominic's character intervene and become some sort of love triangle. His character seemed pointless to me. Overall a lot of what was built up in season 1 was not addressed in season 2. There was no continuity at all. Season 2 felt like a totally different reality and universe. It personally did not make sense to me.
I've rewatched Jules' special episode like twenty times already, it's absolutely beautiful in its depth and complexity, so I couldn't believe how much Sam let her character go to waste this time around! Disgustang!
Came here to say this. Her outfit changes are totally explained in that episode. Which is beautiful and the best episode of Euphoria ever IMO
I remember reading in a spoiler that Elliot's character dies at the end of the season, and I thought that was meant to show Rue the harsh reality of drug abuse and force her to confront the hard end that death is. But he ends up living so now idk wtf his character's point was.
yup
@@GioGio-fq1vl aha. you say "writers" but I think Sam is the one and only writer for all episodes (except Jule's special episode) that's why it's bad. there is no team of writers and Sam is not good at writing
In my high school we had a semi-strict dress code but I would notice the skinny fit sporty girls hardly ever got cited and also the cheer leaders would NEVER get cited. I always found it to be a sort of pervy thing on behalf of the administration because if a "fat unattractive" girl wore something revealing they would pull her aside right away.
100% right
I was (and still am, to a certain degree) really flat with not a lot of hip, and I definitely noticed that teachers were really strict with the girls who had curves, but they never said a thing to me. Hooray for teachers passing on their discomfort with attractive body types to kids who are new to those bodies!
Omg yes I agree, I myself am someone who was sort of chubby in middle school, and I remember wearing a skirt for promotion and they called me out on my skirt for being to short but I have long arms! but yet all the skinny girls had their backs showing and wore short dresses ..
I'm a curvy girl and believe it or not I have been getting cited since 4th grade. I'm in college now and good for me they don't give a fuck what I wear as long as I show up. Anyways, getting cited in 4th grade-5th grade really did take a toll on my mental health. I got diagnosed with depression and I had really bad body issues. I thought that having curves and having a little bit of stomach fat was inappropriate and distracting. At that time I didn't understand how fucked up the school system was, and I would look at all the other girls and they were wearing much shorter shorts and did not get cited once.
idk in my school, the "skinnier" girls were ALWAYS dresscoded, without fail. all of the girls were dresscoded and forced to go home and change and even a girl wearing a long sleeved cardigan got sent home. ive never personally seen it where only bigger people got dresscoded but idk, im canadian so maybe thats also a factor?? idk
I think the fact that they're so unnecessarily sexualizing these teenage characters is very overlooked. It's disturbing and sometimes so SO unnecessary that it just feels like the creator is satisfying his own fantasy. Yikes.
I skipped the sex part and i was like wait where is the episode?!!?!!! I was like wtf did i just watch porn with better acting or something, cause where the hell is plot??!!!
Yes!! And Sam is known for letting the events in his real life affect his writing. Seeing/ hearing the things he made Sydney/Cassie do was v uncomfy to me
@thunderstorm literally won't give this show a chance personally because it really does seem very very focused on the sexualization of kids. It's triggering and very uncomfortable, especially to see the show blow up among people who are kids themselves
i don't think that rhe writers are "satisfying [their] own fantasy."
Sex sells simply has always been guaranteering success
@@liste302 that´s the point, it´s f up but it´s so true
Another thing that shocks me still is that they jailed a man for nates crimes and they just forgot about him?? After finishing season 1 i was wondering how they were gonna run with this and nothing?
Tyler? I think in season 3 Tyler, Cal and Fezco will all be in county jail together while they face their crimes/charges and await their trials. It should be interesting! Maybe they will come up with a plan to stop Nate and all the crazy stuff he's done? We'll see!
OMG Finally someone notices this!!! everyones forgetting about that and also the fact that maddy actually protected nate by blaming Tyler for choking her?!?! and "r*ped" her in the pool when she initiated it, yes she's underage and its illegal but she could've at least be honest instead of ruining tyler's life like that. i get why people like maddy cuz she isnt an unlikeable person but wtf? that made me care about her less
I completely couldnt stand Nate's character or storyline after that. Doesn't make any sense that Jules would cover for him either...
what still shocks me is how people still support Maddy after what she and Nate did to the poor guy.
@@ca-ke9493 Jules lied to the police to protect herself bc nate threatened to expose her as a predator, i don't feel like she thought she had a choice
You can tell Sam Levinson is surrounded by yes men because nobody is questioning his writing choices lol. Let’s be honest they added the Cassie/Nate storyline to get more nude scenes 😑
His obsession with Cassie's body is borderline disturbing
Rumor has it that Barbie Ferreira who plays Kat questioned him, and her character is paying for it now
well barb did so he wrote her off lmfao
So i was not the only one who thought that Sydney was getting exploited in that way to the point where I felt very protective of her.
@@urockit2011 good for her, someone needs to say something
Let's not forget how In S1 Maddy said she lost her virginity to a 40yr old and they said she was on total control with that..and was never adressed again.
WHEN SHE WAS 14
I swear whoever thought writing that part in was genius, needs to be fired from Hollywood right away.
I just want to stop seeing “high school” kids having sex. I don’t even think sex scenes are necessary between adults in regular film in most cases. Why now do we have to watch children have sex ?
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The thing is: all the actors are look like 30 years old, so you can’t even feel disturbed by some of the sex scenes because it’s obvious these people are old as fuck and dressed as street walkers from Amsterdam. So yeah, I got your point about sexualiIng underage characters, but this show cannot even do it right or shock anyone because the actors look old as hell. The show’s creator was trying to revamp the Larry Clark style of putting adult actors who look like kids to shock, but the casting choices failed on that. This is the least of euphoria’s problems
it would make more sense if they were in college
@@gabrielleribeiro8054 of course you can't use actual teenagers for those scenes, because well that's against the law (in most countries). It's not really a conscious choice of the maker. They literally can't do it differently. But I agree that it's still bad, because they are trying to portray younger students and not adults, so that part should be left out entirely in my opinion.
@@karolinkiehl4097 technically, minors may be able to film sexual/romantic scenes, so long as they aren't graphic. in 'shameless', a majority of the main cast is made up of minors, and their young characters are from a negligent family home in a low income neighborhood. understandably, they replicate their parents and the other adults they've come to know, and begin having sex very often, very early on in life. there are scenes where minors are essentially just suggested to be doing something friskier, but never actually shown nude. for example, i remember a scene starting with one of the boys (15) coming out from 'under his girlfriends skirt' and he asks if she really wants him to stop, trying to convince her to skip school with him for the day. another one that's even less romanticised, we see a young girl (13) crawl into bed beside her piss drunk crush (18+) and there's a condom on her end table. the shows themes are dark as well, liek euphoria's, but the most genuinely sensual romance scenes are between adults; even when younger characters (played by 18+ actors) are shown in a bit more detail, it's very rarely nice to look at it. it's poky and awkward and uncomfy to watch. or, sometimes they just sort of have conversations and the like, neither even really seeming to be enjoying themselves or finding pleasure, because they don't know how it really works yet. unfortunately, i disagree with your last statement. although you might not have until you were an adult, many teenagers do have sex; if teenagers are going to be accurately portrayed in media, then sex is usually going to be a part of that, because it's how the world genuinely works.
As someone from a third world country the little kid being a dealer is the least unrealistic thing about the show. We have news about kids that age and younger being dealers and hitmen.
What's really unrealistic for me are the designer clothes and a school play like Lexi's being approved
yeah, overall i agree with most of her points, but when she said that about ashtray it really bugged me. i had that moment of "oh wow, people in first world countries really do live in a totally different reality to mine"
that’s sad but it’s a show based in America,narrated by an american teen who goes HS in America…so a 12 yr old drug dealer is HIGHLY unrealistic.
@@claramujo right, she makes a lot of good points and I love her videos in general, but there's tons of countries in Africa with child soldiers (Angola, Congo, Liberia, etc...) kids working in concentration camps in China, child labor all over the world, victims of human trafficking (big cities in USA are a big spot for that) so... Thinking Ashtray's story line is impossible seems quite disconnected from reality tbh
@@claramujo it's not unrealistic in America either. It's extremely common in seriously poverty stricken areas. Which do exist ..a lot of people just love to pretend they don't
@@norah4585 It's not that unrealistic in the US either, like at all
FINALLY someone who thinks cassie wasn't in the wrong when she got mad at lexi's play 😭 i don't even love cassie but was that carousel scene really necessary
the entire play was uncalled for, everything cassie said on stage was valid in my opinion. she didn't have to cause a scene like that but lexi airing out everyone's dirty laundry like that in front of the entire school is just dead wrong
Omg same!! I completely agree
Nah, you need to tell the truth. It was a terrible play and had no sense to be put in tho. Lexi should not have put that scene in tho.
i’ve noticed that Euphoria’s audience harbors a LOT of immature people. I don’t just mean young teen viewers, I just mean people with poor moral ethics
Bro publicly masturbating is disgusting and a crime. Its so creepy ew imagine a guy doing that
It’s crazy that there’s legit middle schoolers watching this show 😭
that's on parents for not parenting their kids the show is TV-MA they definitely should not be watching
I’m in middle school and some of my (best) friends are all over this show, it’s weird.
honestly its prolly a case of young ppl being uncultured and not being able to discern bad writing 💀
It's not crazy at all, children always gravitate towards entertainment based around CD things. Look at how gang lifestyles were glamorized in music in the 90s and 2000s. Plenty of children consume that content
@@stealthis it may be common but doesn't mean its not crazy
In Jules's special episode, she talked about how she grew up feeling the need to conquer femininity and how she's always based her views on what men would want... That's one of the reasons why she had been dressing so feminine and girly in S1, at the end of her episode she tells her therapist that she is no longer interested in men and that's why she dressed more androgynous and dark in S2
yeah and it’s actually a really small but great detail smh
The very next episode she goes after Elliot
@@247wonderwoman Yah I felt that kinda derailed the whole, "being in love with Rue and no longer being interested in men's opinions about her"
@Sophie Fliegler That episode, is Euphoria when it's at its best. Jules vulnerability & honesty really resonated with me too, and it's a shame Sam Levinson didn't expand on that in Season 2.
@@247wonderwoman WE ARE GONNA IGNORE THAT😭
As someone who grew up in a rougher public housing project, Ashtray's character was not a huge stretch. Lot's of kids drop out before 16 and child services are not aware unless someone reports it. 12-14 year olds were selling drugs. I think making his character go to school would have been more interesting because he could be selling at recess. That being said, him sacrificing himself and getting into a huge gun shoot out was really over dramatic.
Yeah, as someone from a third world country I knew guys doing drugs like at 13-14 years and drug dealers like 16 yrs old
thank you omg somebody had to say it lmao. like girl nooo, a 14 y/o drug dealer actually is one of the realistic parts of the show 😭💀
Yea a lot of what Ashtray did with being able to do parkour moves to kill another drug dealer and willingly get into a shoot out with the police was so ridiculous. But I know people who work with troubled kids and they say that there are plenty of Ashtrays
yeah that point confused me but then i had to stop and remember not everyone grew up around stuff like this happening
I want to back this up as someone who was a high school teacher in a community with a lot of gang and drug activity. It is easier than you imagine to disappear from the school system, especially if you have been (for example) using a fake address to establish residence.
i enjoyed it but the best part of the season was rue’s storyline. zendaya, storm reid, and nika king all deserve an emmy
THIS!!
ruclips.net/video/BrH9f-IWwlo/видео.html
Fax yep
Indeed, the fifth episode was a highlight for me, and I'd have loved had the finale lived up to that potential.
it was the only fully fleshed out storyline
agree!! it was the only storyline i was still watching for
No because I’m so confused on why they DESTROYED Cassie and mckays characters. They made Cassie likeable in season 1 with complexity just to throw her under the bus and make her a boyfriend stealing crazy woman? And don’t even get me started on mckays SA being brushed over and ignored. If your gonna include a scene like that, do it well and deal with the aftermath. Your not woke for just including it, you need to execute it well.
bad writing. I was expecting her growth this season
yeaahhhh... I'm hoping they'll round her character out in the next season and contribute to her growth. the McKay shit was just wack though
"nO bEcAuSe"
Mckays was never actually SA, it was just one of the version of the night Cassie could of passed but it didn't happen
Right??? I honestly couldn’t believe the same person had written both the seasons, like s1 was so tight and complex and s2 is…..that
I kind of disagree with the young 12 year old drug dealer scenario being unrealistic, while rare it is unfortunately common in poor communities where children are forced to interact with gangs and support their family economically
This is actually very true. In my country gangs see kids as easy targets for recruitment, especially when the kids feel like the gangs can offer a community that the Swedish society has failed to give them. They often set minors out to murder people because they get a lower penalty.
reminds me of that kid in breaking bad the higher up drug people used
Still doesn't explain why he doesn't go to school or has an appointed guardian.
@@profoundending1390 that happens often. And unfortunately the system fails a large population of our youth. It’s sad.
I don't think she meant it's unrealistic in the sense that it doesn't happen in real life. It's unrealistic, according to her, because there's no real punishment that happens and in effect, it only romanticises the dark issues.
Also why is no one talking about how this show was made for ADULTS by ADULTS about MINORS that are shown naked most of time?
Many defend this by claiming that it’s being “real” while forgetting that there is no such thing as realism in edited work. It was a choice. They could’ve simply made the characters play freshmen in college but they chose a high school setting. As an adult that was just disturbing honestly and one of the many reasons why I didn’t and won’t watch the show.
Yeah I had to keep reminding myself that the characters were in high school. I wish the sexual scenes were a bit more realistic but instead they were shot like a porno. The show Sex Education was a great example of how sex in high school should be approached in a tv show imo
Agree 100%
I agree. & the reality is there is NO real reason for it to be set in hs. There would be no difference to any of the storylines, any of the characters, any of the wardrobe. If anything it would make MORE sense
@@ariellelillian8644 I think it not being set in highschool could of been more interesting. College isn’t really considered a necessity anymore irl and it could’ve been interesting to see a tv show show young characters intertwining other than(for the majority) knowing eachother just cuz they go to the same highschool because of requirement.
Produced by Drake and Directed by Sam… also Leonardo Dicaprio’s fav show…
Imma say it: Sex Education is a way better show that deals with these topics and more.
Agreed that's a far better show
who in sex education is addicted to drugs?????
@@peachiichipchiii no one that's a random ass question
@@peachiichipchiii Maeves mum is an addict, and there's a few scenes where some kids get super wasted and say/do things that destroy relationships. While not detailing the antics of a teen addict, it touches on how substance abuse can seriously affect young people and wreck families causing lasting trauma.
I agree but to be fair those shows are targeted towards different audiences with very different intentions in mind.
Idk why they needed Elliott to bring friction. Like Jules and Rue already had a shit ton of problems, but you know Sam's pen game is terrible. So he must have thought for some reason Elliott was necessary and not the hundred different issues the couple has. Hbo has to put their foot down and tell that man to hire writers (and directors tbh). You need to have a really strong vision to direct and write a tv show by yourself for more than one season.
I agree. The only reason he existed was to break them up, even though their relationship was failing anyway so he really wasn't needed. His character is incredibly frustrating to see and not very interesting
Sam actually fully explains in the after episode interviews that basically in Season 1 Rue was so in love with Jules and in love with drugs but she couldn’t have both so in Season 2 we watch her have both and see how she acts when she has everything she wants. Elliot represents the drug side of Rue and therefore causes friction
I kinda liked eliotts character as a friend to rue that brought out her worst side and added to her spiraling and reaching her lowesr. I also liked how in the scenes with him jules told the audience how dating rue feels but i didnt think the love triangle was necessary. As if rue and jules didnt have enough other problems that couldve made a good plot. And tbh jules couldve also had these conversations with kat
Lexie was DEAD wrong for that carousel scene. Everyone was on her side simply because they didn't like Cassie. But let's be honest here, if you were in Cassie's shoes, would you have liked to relive the moment you publicity m@sturb@ted...WHILE HIGH? Lexie seems so innocent, but she knew what she was doing was wrong from the jump, she even had to ask Fez for reassurance. As of the show, I wanted SO MUCH MORE this season but it was good nonetheless
Preach, some things are meant to be kept private, and that was just taking it too far for Lexi, in my opinion. I wonder who would have filled Lexi in, probably Maddy or Kat.
@@trinaq I think ppl recorded it and it went viral
very that
@@trinaq i’m pretty sure cassie told her
Yeah Cassie couldn’t exactly control herself after taking the molly during that episode, and I sure as hell wouldn’t want to see someone reenact that moment.
Finally one other person who saw lexi’s play as a really mean thing to do and honestly the only reason other characters were written to be unbothered by it was to make it seem like Cassie’s anger was misplaced. Don’t get me wrong Cassie is in the wrong throughout this season but Lexi airing out other people’s trauma / issues on stage while painting herself to be the ultimate victim was a shit move and that would have been further illuminated if someone like rue took offense to her using her fathers death in a hs play.
yesss thats so true its bizarre that everyone was just fine with it
Yeah I’ve never seen the show but I’ve seen clips and just from that the content in the play seems like it should’ve offended more people.
LITERALLY! lexi is constantly made out to be a victim and the "best girl"..besides what was even the point of the play? it was supposed to be about grace but aired everyone else's dirty laundry.
MEE!!!! I had a discussion with my sister and asked her what she thought and I had pointed out how, while momentarily empowering to Lexi, she still humiliated her sister in front of parents and other students who may not have known about Cassie. While parents may not know who Cassie is their kids do and you know that they are going to be pointing out who she is. Cassie asks Lexi if this was the part that her counter part of the play steals Maddy's counter part's boyfriend and you see Lexi say that she didn't put that plotline, almost like that was doing a favor for Cassie by not including it. But then you have the biggest trigger for Cassie that causes her to attack the actress playing her, which is her carousel scene back in season 1 when she was high. This was where I thought that this was really cruel to do to your sister.
I also didn't like Lexi's play and found it to be unrealistic. NO high school has a school budget to make sets like that for ANY play! Especially a HIGH SCHOOL! Maybe on Broadway but not high school! She had no business airing out everybody's dirty laundry like she did! I thought they wasted 2 episodes on that stupid play when they could have filled up the time with something more relevant that needed to be tied up!
I just feel like the entire plot/theme of this season should've been "actions have consequences"
Rue: downwards spiral out on the streets forced to overcome her addiction all alone. Jules: finds trouble with lying about her age to meet strange men online. Kat: realizing that being a cam girl is dangerous once someone tracks your IP adress and stalks you. Maddy: realizing that in life you have to work hard for the glamorous things you want & make questionable choices in the process. Mckay: trying to overcome toxic masculinity put onto him by his friends and father. Nate: suffering great karma behind ruining others lives. Cassie: struggles in finding self love. Fez: trying to find a life purpose while trying to get him & ashtray out the Dr.. business. Lexi: finally finding a voice and confidence. Weirdo Sam dropped the ball with this season.
True my problem with this season I wished they worked better with the characters like they did with the first season like also something that happened on the original show of Israeli of euphoria, kat got HIV and that makes her feel like what she did was really bad idk why they cut out in the American show for some reason...
summed it all up!
@@Jimin-km9qx It could be a mainstream thing, but there are millennials who think of HIV and the AIDS crisis as a fairy tale.
I worked with a 19 year old guy who hooked up with guys bareback on Grindr. Kids think they're invincible at that age.
Hahaha “weirdo Sam”
people who say that this show shows an "Extremely realistic" representation of ALL high schools in America clearly doesn't have their head screwed on straight
In one of the “behind the episode” segments for the early episodes Sydney Sweeney was doing an interview where she literally says “Sam called me and asked what the craziest thing Cassie would do” in reference to Cassie & Nate hooking up. So it’s very obvious Levinson was going ONLY for shock value
honestly after the first season ended and when the trailer for this season dropped, i just knew the show was going even farther in a direction where shock value and the highest amount of drama possible were going to be valued more than storytelling. the dismissal of mckay bothered me especially because he was, in season one, the *only black guy* in the main cast and they barely did enough to develop him. then this season comes along and they decide to drop him all together. the fact that algee smith didn't even audition for mckay but was told that the "athletic" character fit him better is...whew
God, i can"t belive that i found you here. I love you so much Yhara!
Obviously the guy who is 5'5 would make the best fit for the star football player 🤡🙄😭
@@Smile-ni9nc yes that makes so much sense. Nothing could have been the factor. A 5'5 star football player is soooo realistic. 😑/s
Also they all kept saying this season is going to be darker and stuff and i was like bitchhh where?!!???
okay but it would be weird for a college student to continue hanging out with his ex girlfriends high school student friends
I personally watch Euphoria simply for the drama because it definitely doesn’t disappoint in that aspect. But the way that Sam Levinson wrote the characters this season was disappointing. The hyper-fixated on how the sexual these 16-18 year olds are, relationships being broken off randomly and messily, it makes the show feel like Riverdale on drugs, literally. Like instead of being a heavy piece about teenagers and their families working through trauma and seeking peace of mind, it became meme material and softcore p***. And seriously, WHY WERE THERE SO MANY SHOTS OF CASSIES BOOBS?!?! Even Sydney Sweeney said she was uncomfortable with how many shots there were. Like I can assure you, we do not need to see a 17 year old topless every episode or any episode for that matter.
thank you omg u literally put my thoughts into words, i fr only watch euphoria to see how much more ridiculous it can get
Euphoria was going in a great direction with the issues they spoke on then totally fucked it up from Mckays SA, Kats Sex Work, jules lying about her age, Maddie being coerced into lying about rape, etc etc. they didn’t address any of this shit. Also I did NOT like the vibes of szn 2. Season 1 had such a unique vibe, amazing cinematography, etc. season two was sooo boring
Maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ᵐᵃʸᵇᵉ the writers thought they wanted to spice season 2 a bit for idk plot ig
I agree on the vibe, I watched it all like a month ago cause it wasn’t available in my country, I got so obsessed of the first season, it was so unique and cool, I even waited a bit before starting the second season cause I didn’t want it to end too soon, but it was so disappointing it felt so different
It was like a diffrent show altogether
It was like a diffrent show altogether
Couldn’t have said it any better!! I completely agree
i never found euphoria to be groundbreaking. the cinematography was really cool but the writing since the very beginning was pretty bland. it was “shocking” i guess, but that was it.
Yeah I agree with you
Yeah watching the first season when it came out I felt it was new and interesting with the glitter but once that faded away I notice the problems way more clearly
Honestly it would be cool if the people who worked in Euphoria would direct music videos or something.
I feel like it's more style over substance. The stuff in Euphoria has been done in other teen shows and other shows and probably better in other shows.
I think there were issues that were depicted in a very raw and real way like Rue's addiction( especially in season2) or when she was so depressed she couldn't even get up to pee and a whole lot of other issues without being glamorized.
But in season 2, except for Rue's addiction and Lexi's issues with being in her sister's shadow her whole life, most of the arcs are becoming just like a regular teen drama show. Plus I hate how they glamorized Lexi's rebellion to being in the shadow. Dating a drug dealer and making a play airing out people's business for attention and out of spite is not the way to take control of your life.
Also interesting about Kat: recent studies have shown that children who watch/make pornography will often have the same symptoms as victims of CSA. Would have been interesting to see the mental and emotional struggle of her recovering from that period and eventually finding her own self-confidence.
What is CSA?
@@treac5658 childhood sexual abuse
Ooh I mean that also relates to Nate then
@@xcobmi damn that just reminded me of that nightmare dream sequence with Nate, he's gotta have so much trauma from growing up and watching those discs of cal
Hold on a sec, where is Kat's dad?!? I don't think we've seen him, just Kat's mom 😳😳
The 12 year old being a drug dealer really isn’t that unrealistic to me. Like I grew up on a council estate, there’s a correlation between poverty and drug use. When I was younger I would pick up drugs from 12-14 year old drug runners who look just like Ashtray.
Yeah for sure, it's not common but it absolutely happens
Exceptions prove the rule
They exist sure, just watch The Wire. But the way they portrayed Ashtray, was a little far fetched
@@dariusbunce3156 it's not a docudrama jfc c'mon...
@@NDMeow93 tell me you're white without telling me you're white lol
euphoria, on the whole, just seemed empty, meaningless and shallow to me. style over substance. it’s trashy, no real emotion beyond surface level. it’s giving riverdale.
Soo trueeee
Euphoria is worst because it's not so bad that it's funny like with riverdale
i think what saves euphoria is the acting and some of the aesthetic cause the plot this season was not it, they were episodes where literally nothing happened
I haven't watched it yet, but has anybody watched the original Israeli series?
Reason I don’t watch the show lol, they put all the budget in the casting and makeup.
I completely agree with both the ethical and plot-related criticisms you mentioned. I understand that shows sometimes leave cliff-hangers for the next season, but this season felt like it left sooo many plot holes and so many foreshadowed directions unexplored that it’s hard to believe it was all intentional.
yeah it sorta felt like the writers were writing it as they were going along
Love ur videos Ana!!
@@pantrysnatcher the thing is there aren't writerS.. it's just one man trying to do literally everything and utterly failing
people who say that this show shows an "Extremely realistic" representation of ALL high schools in America clearly doesn't have their head screwed on straight
though sydney sweeney’s performance this season was fantastic, im so angry at the direction they took for Cassie. It’s like everything she went through season one as well as her relationship with Mckay didn’t exist. they needed a device to keep the audience and they chose the Cassie/Nate/Maddy love triangle, even when they fleshed out Cassie and Nate’s unrequited attraction / their relationship it was so out of character and out of thin air
i read somewhere on twitter that it was initially supposed to be nate & jules hooking up in s2 but hunter/jacob off screen drama led Sam to replace jules with cassie
It's actually because of that traumatizing relationship with McKay breaking up with her that she's spiraling out of her mind so much that she's messing with her Best friends exs
@@kikikiller1153 she explicitly broke up w him for good *after* the fact, and was determined to try and steer away from relationships as early as the s1 finale where she even asked her "friends" to intervene if she does happen to mess with anyone - which absolutely no one even tried to do in any substantial way. i think it's pretty clear some characters had to be rewritten as uncaring etc. to have this whole nate/cassie plotline happen in a way it otherwise wouldn't have (definitely not like this)
They tried with the love triangle so hard to be 2000s teen dramas like gossip girl or one three hill. Like bro why cant you just have original ideas instead of just copying scenes from other tv shows!
Completely out of thin airrr!!!
So Euphoria is basically a live-action anime with how it puts high-school kids in bizarre situations with no responsible adults in sight. Are we sure it's not based on a light-novel???
It's base on a mini-series from Israel. In the mini-series there are no adults present.
Rues bizzare adventure
It’s literally skins
@@ZacharyBoi straight up though. It’s skins but just rebranded
Not a live action anime, lmfaaaooooo!!!! But frl, it's so true 😭😭
Euphoria is basically 13 Reasons Why but aesthetic
While I liked Elliott's song, and I know that they had to find a way to utilise Dominic Fike's talents as a musician in the show, it might have been better had he just sung one verse and chorus, and not grind the entire plot to a halt for four minutes.
I really thought they were gonna have like a montage of stuff happening in the show, but no. Just Rue awkwardly standing there smiling
It felt so much like a camp rock scene I kinda laughed a little as it happened
Was it really four minutes??! Because, it seemed like 10 at least 🤣🙈
I skipped it and it just kept going 😭😭
The song itself wasn't the problem, it was the lack of visual storytelling. Season 1 finale featured that full 3 minute "All For Us" song but it was an elaborated choreographed piece showing Rue going into relapse. Having Zendaya and Dominic just awkwardly stare at each other for the whole song was a bit lazy given what the show is capable of.
If they're going to have high schoolers in these really adult situations, I think they have a responsibility to make sure they get out of it in a realistic way. Because if not, what story is the show really telling?
Sex education nailed it
It's art, so they can tell the story however they want, they're not obligated to send out a moral message.
@@Icelay4ever omg let's not just call a mediocre tv show "art" , it's degrading to actual art.
no story at this point, just shock value. the story flew out the window, for all the characters except rue i guess
Mina, I do think that something right in this season is Jules aesthetic. She is experimenting with gender, and now know she doesn't need to be hyper-feminine or girly to be considered a woman.
This. If you haven't viewed the special episodes, especially Jules', there's a lot of context you miss out on this season.
Also Elliot mentioned that she was wearing a chest binder which is interesting
i agree about the styling but then she cheats rue with elliot? i mean... his character is not even fully developed at all lol if they introduced a boy that fucks with gender too... but he's just a silent guy with an edgy look and jules falls so hard for him... bullshit tbh
Couple notes on Ashtray: I live in a city very blighted by drug use/abuse. I have definitely seen child drug dealers. Also, his and Fez's lack of a legal guardian is not hard to believe if you grow up in a bad neighborhood with crime all around you. Lots of kids slip through the cracks, unfortunately. Otherwise, I really liked your analysis, especially of Lexi's play
Here in Brazil too, because under 16 you don’t go to jail. You go to like institutions but not jail.
same here. the area i grew up in had a lot of children involved in dealing drugs, and i knew a few people in highschool that got expelled for dealing. i don't think it's unrealistic to portray, honestly. just very sad
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking Lexi was wrong for that play- everyone thought it was so iconic and that everyone deserved to see their wrongdoings for what they were on the stage, but it was so clear to me that Lexi was just doing it out of spite and finally wanting to have the attention on herself, not to "help anyone" or "show them their true selves" or something.
Exactly ! I really hate Lexi so much, she's literally victim-blaming herself when she had NO RIGHT at all to display her literal friends and sister's personal experience.
I think we all know she was wrong but all the characters have done something wrong and as the audience it’s entertaining to see the play. But she was still wrong
Hot take: It was never not mediocre. The only thing that saved the first season from not being was them having a story to tell with specific character introductions and story arcs in mind. And from the looks of things they should have let it be, if they didn't have any more stories that they were passionate enough to tell, why would they wreck the luck that they had with the first season firing on all cylinders. The only reason is money, and milking it for all it's worth.
Yess!!! Mediocrity wins again
The first season still had a lot of unresolved storylines. If they just let it be then we as fans would be frustrated since there's no conclusion to the story. Even if your story is character driven you still need to resolve each of their plot lines. Season 2 could have continued where season 1 left off. It wasn't just about the money. They also needed to continue to pick up where the story left off. The problem is they forgot about the plot lines they established from season 1.
i totally agree plus the world was so different in 2019 when it came out
@@chesirescat1246 The plot still works in 2022. Because we're still dealing with these issues now. The problem is those issues the show was tackling were forgotten in season 2.
@@fusi_dy7072 The show recieved critical acclaim during it's first season. It only became mediocre during the current season. When you achieved critical acclaim the first time we expect you to be consistent with delivering quality story telling. They didn't make season 2 just for the money. The show was still left unfinished. There were character arcs and plot lines that needed to be resolved. Which completely got forgotten once season 2 started airing.
Am I the only one who thought Lexi's play was extremely cruel? I would never embarrass my sister like that, just because I'm in her shadow. Yes, Cassie committed a whole lot of unsavoury deeds this season but to be humiliated like that by her own sister was not cool. Lexi definitely became a villain this season.
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the exact reason why I stopped watching the show. finally found someone who shares the thought.
nope me too. it felt like she made the entire play just to shame her sister and show how she is the sweet innocent one that gets overlooked by everyone. and god she went so far off to show that carousel scene- it was such a bad traumatizing experience for cassie and lexi decided its good to recreate it in front of the entire school without her permission. so disgusting. idk why all the fans of euphoria hyped up lexi after the play because imo she was being a bitch
it baffles me when i read comments saying that the whole play was justified. the carousel scene was completely unwarranted. you don't just air out your own sister's dirty laundry like that. it was very low and selfish from lexi but every just applauds her for it.
I wouldn’t say Lexi was the villain, lol it was clearly Cassie. But what Lexi did was wrong.
About Lexi, I have to agree, because showing your sister's private matters even as a play which honestly people already kind of can tell it's about Cassie, really, is not okay. It doesn't make Lexi better than her, it's just her own way of hurting her sister and worsens the situation imo
@B Lor and she literally just asked the principal and it got made. Like how can a student just ask to make a play and it happens? That's what an elementary student thinks high school is like. And we never see the production being made. Just lexi writing, and mentions of rehearsals and it apparently just happens.
There was wayyyy too much focus on Cassie this season. I think her storyline is important but i really wanted to see Kat’s relationship under the strain of her self confidence issues.
Also the Jules/Nate situation really kept me on the edge of my seat in s1. They just threw away so many good plot lines. Sam Levinson really needs a writing team
Jules and Nate low key gave me Kylo Ren and Rey vibes (or Kylo and Rey before Kylo turned good). Like both kept me on the edge of my seat because there was, as someone beautifully described it, a twisted affection between the characters. you want the girls to run and you know that the guys are gonna screw them over, but the on screen chemistry leaves you wanting more between them. Also the whole “she brings out his good side” trope is cool to watch as long as the girl doesn’t end up becoming the guy’s therapist.
I too am sad that the writers gave up that in favor of Nate and Cassie’s relationship. At least Nate and Jules’s dynamic was toxic in an intriguing way. And I also wish Kat and Ethan’s relationship explored in more depth
And what is frustrating that there was no development for cassie's character
A lot of heavy shit was thrown the first season, but never explained fully, never handled with maturity
They don't sit back nd write down how Kat chose a damaging path looking at it as empowering as a kid
They never bring up the trauma McKay faced for being sexually assaulted
They never bring anything
Nd if they couldn't handle these issues, they shouldn't have brought it up nd glorified
@@alyssapinon9670 Nate and Cassie make no sense to me as a couple. They have no chemistry. Like I get why it happened, Nate was looking for the polar opposite of Maddy and Cassie's self esteem issues made it impossible for her to say no to any guy. But I just felt personally really uninvested in that storyline and it's stupid that so much time was devoted to it. (And I mean really, a lot of the tropes in Euphoria have been done many times before by teen shows, they're just more Euphoria-style. We got two love triangles in the second season alone, Maddy-Nate-Cassie and Rue-Elliot-Jules).
@@sayalideshmukh7015 ikr?! I feel like they left so much unaddressed like she had an abortion, broke up with mckay, and none of it is explored they could have done so much with that. It's just disappointing since they tied her "development" with nate who is an awful person, and even though she made mistakes she is generally a sweet character in season 1. it comes at such a left field bc she and maddy seem to have such a strong bond and instead, they're just pitted against each other over NATE?? like c'mon now
I wish Nate got SOME consequences for his actions. Like what happened in season 1, when that detective was like hmm something’s not adding up here about the Jules/Nate/Maddie thing after Nate blamed that random guy for choking Maddie… I feel like that was just forgotten?? I thought we were going to see an investigation on him develop but I guess not
FRRR!!!!! it's been 2 seasons and he is still not having any consequences on his psychotic actions, it almost seems like he's the only one getting justice and overall what he wants
That would have been more interesting, honestly nate's plot with cassie I feel it was just morbid
Agree with lots of these points.. but I actually liked Jules' wardrobe change, felt as if she was experimenting with her queerness after breaking out of the hyperfemininity she felt forced to manifest in Season 1 so that people wouldn't question her identity
I think Mandy's regression is honestly a more realistic depiction of maturing.
yeah it's not a straight line
It's in character for her. She wouldn't have taken that sitting down, and after being held at gunpoint by Nate, I can't really blame her for losing her patience and going after Cassie especially when it was clear she thought she could provoke Lexi (and Maddy by association) without getting a response in return.
@@corneliastreets what I don't understand is why she didn't tell Cassie Nate held a gun to her head? I understand she's still mad at Cassie. But if my ex held a gun to head and he was dating my old best friend I'd have to warn her because I'd be afraid he would snap and murder her. Would she be afraid he'd retaliate ?
@@user-nf9xm7is3m She didn’t tell her cuz not everything has to be literal in shows and movies. I feel like that scene was there for the shock value, just like many others and it wasn’t supposed to be discussed more.
@@petrauhrakova I know that not everything in euphoria was literal but I thought that scene was literal , he even had the gun at different scenes in the show
My problem with this show is that I often find myself thinking: yes, this was written by a white cis male
Especially Cassie's whole "daddy issues" arc, ugh
Yeah, and get tf over it. It's hollyweird, my problem is who's in charge of it. (People like weinSTEIN👎🏽).
I wish there were also more female directors as well, they're not that common 🙁
@@Aaron-TheHandsome give it a decade or two, Weinstein wasn’t an outlier
Exactly, but I mean, that was incredibly obvious from the get-go, what with how it perpetuates harmful stereotypes that clearly shows a lack of understanding.
I feel Kats and Jules friendship should have been a included instead of the elliots love triangle drama
Both already have so much in common to begin with, their body image issues and how they use their sexuality for approval and false empowerment. and since both of them aren't doing the best with their romantic relationships, its very fitting for them to reconnect or to actually bond properly of their shared pain, Kat was Jules first friend in the new school after all.
sam levinson has like all the ingredients ready to prepare good ass meal, but instead he goes into a store to buy a frozen pizza. i have no idea what they will do in season 3 but i don't think i will be interested to continue watching it.
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@@ayoadeboye123 yep thats me, you probably wonder how i got myself to this situation
Gotta be honest, 12 year old drug dealers are VERY real. But I still don't love Euphoria cus it glamour-izes it.
Ashtray is 15 by szn 1
I know it's a totally different gender, but Breaking Bad was so much better at portraying the rawness of child drug dealers.
i think jules' style change was to reflect her journey with her gender. moving away from the skimpy, traditionally feminine, borderline childish clothing and silhouettes; and leaning more to traditionally masculine silhouettes, (not fond of this word but) androgynous clothing. but still having fun prints, experimenting with layers, and repping newer, indie brands to like represent jules' individuality, creativity, and trans/queerness. so i dont think the change was too bizarre & out of place
also, loved the editing on this video. the colors are so nice. and the soft blur too
i agree. i also thin k her fits were like natural like she would already have that stuff in her closet. it just sucks they involved elliot and made her story line about a guy.
why aren't you fond of the word?
i agree with you. unfortunately, while she was showing this change of character through her clothes, she failed to show it through her actions. i'm so disappointend with how her character was written for this season, because she has so much potential.
Agreed. And the way Sam took away (almost) all of her character from S1/her special episode, and made her extremely oblivious to Rue’s drug abuse, just to get the fantasy of a guy getting in between two sapphic women is downright diabolical 😭
what’s wrong with androgynous?
jules's storyline involving sleeping with older men in motels etc. is a pretty common experience with young trans girls. all of these unhealthy experiences make you feel "validated" in your feminity, as well as dealing with the anxiety of dating as a trans person in general, since a lot of ppl are still not fully open about being attracted to trans women. not to say that these experiences are in fact empowering in any way, but it is still a pretty real depiction of being out as a teenager unfortunately.
yes i’ve seen something similar on this show called Pose which focuses on trans people
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The problem is that it doesn't really do the work that the subject needs. It's a sensationalist romanization for edgy drama rather than a thoughtful and empathetic depiction of the experiences of trans teenagers, *children.*
It doesn't follow through in representing the trans experience and the effect these issues have on people, its really just another shock factor way of putting teenage characters into dangerous and inappropriate sexual situations for drama and not about doing any justice to the reality of those situations.
The fact that Cassie probably cried to Lexi about the carousel and trusted she would keep it secret makes me so mad
They hardly talk, she was doing all of that in public so defs not secret
Please everyone saw and most likely talked about the carousel thingy Cassie to much of a dummy to actually talk to Lexi
@@vaoseafaatuono9754 yup. Everyone was staring at cassie so, knowing how highschool work, many people kept gossipping for days. It's like one of those rumors that everyone ends up knowing, even it they don't even personally know the person involved
@@vaoseafaatuono9754 you never know most siblings talk and even if she did hear it through gossiping that's still a very embarrassing part of her sisters life that she put out for everyone to see and that's not cool
@@j_ea8238 "most siblings talk", I guess that's true but that's clearly not the case for them. That part of her sister's life was alredy put out for everyone to see
Ngl my brain was so gone I read 'mediocre' and went "good god what new aesthetic is this". Then I remembered what mediocre meant 😭
SAME 😭😭😭
The fact that they never addressed Rue owing $10K to the drug dealer had me stressed out for her the entire rest of the season. I literally thought she was going to get grabbed on the way out of Lexi's play. But nope, just never bring it back up.
I haven’t finished yet, but I’m so annoyed that this didn’t get resolved. I think if you’re going to bring up intense, harsh themes like drug dealers and traffickers and addiction, follow through. Or don’t bring it up at all. Don’t turn a 12 year old into a murder and have a main character cross a drug dealer with no emotions apparently and just walk away?? I dunno if I even want to finish this
it's coming to bite her in the ass in season 3.
Rue isn't a reliable narrator, so there's no way that she actually stayed clean for the rest of the year. the fact that the scene of Lexi and Rue talking supposedly after the play but the scene was shown to be IN the play means the storytelling and narration aren't as straightforward as people think they are. the Laurie plotline will definitely play a role in season 3.
well yea they got renewed for a season 3 so obviously the didn’t resolve that plotline in season 2.
Didn't Rue almost get trafficked at the end of ep 5?
Everyone kinda predicted ashtray's death since the actor is going on to play in the new season of umbrella academy.... he just couldn't do two shows and his boxing all at the same time.
I’m getting Game of Thrones vibes where the creators ride off the high of early success and the fact that they aren’t good writers and don’t believe in themes can be propped up enough by cinematography, fan culture, and incredible acting to still remain engaging (until it crumbles at the end of course)
Similar happen to Pirates of the Caribbean franchise
Euphoria is what middle aged people will think high school these days are like.
It is! I know people who are older than me who watch it and like genuinely think.. "oh man this is real. This is the real world this is how it is, I don't want to see this show because it makes me think of my own kids" and blah blah blah like.. I think older people are more naive than younger people sometimes lol.
That's how tv has always been like. Adult at best are going with what they vaguely remember growing up in school. Degrassi is the only show that was the most "realistic". Euphoria is for millennials. Teen show are normally a generation behind with some modern flavoring.
@@DarkIllusia i really wonder how degrassi managed to be more realistic than euphoria while still being 10x more messy
No it's not.
Dude FINALLY someone talks about how dumb and bad and wrong lexi's play was. I got laughed out of some other comments for pointing out that her play's production is so overblown it very much took me out of the show, but that was really the tip of the iceberg. The fact lexi (and fans of the show for that matter) saw nothing wrong with writing about her friends & sisters personal lives and problems without their consent and put it on for the whole high school to see? Never in a million years would anyone be okay with that.
Also that carousel scene was not needed at all , and how the hell does Lexi knows that Cassie masturbated on carousel and if she saw that why the hell she didn't stop her , and if she got to know from someone else how the hell is scene so vivid IDC if it is her "imagination" it was too real.
Personally I was just in it for the drama and didnt care who she humiliated 😂 Thats the only way I can watch Euphoria, purely brain turned off fiction.
Right !!!! It’s so icky
@meggie yeah agreed! I wrote and directed a play in high school, and it was a fairly decent sized school too (around 1500 students) with an acclaimed theater department and even their biggest productions were nowhere near what the show did for lexi's play. It was like the show forgot that the production should look high school level and made it as realistic as it could be. I was so distracted by every play scene bc the show got every single thing wrong with how theater works, not just high school level theater, but theater in general. Like if they wanted to make that Lexi's story this season I would've appreciated if they got a single thing right yknow lol
@meggie I agree too. I went to a selective school that did 4 big school plays once every year, from all four houses (I went to school in England and most schools have 4 houses, that's why there are 4 houses in Harry Potter), and all classes were cancelled on the big day. And the sets were usually handmade and not as elaborate as this, later our new head teacher even stopped us from having painted backgrounds 💀
I think Euphoria would have really benefited from having one or two "normal characters" that we are able to compare the main characters to. I found that when watching it, seeing all of the main characters being "messed up" to some degree ends up.. normalising (not the right word) their actions?
Maybe Lexi was so supposed to be that character? I've always liked her because she was the only I could really relate to, because she's the only "normal" one.
Ethan haha but turned out he’s an extraordinary stage actor
Lexi and Ethan are the normal ones
There's Lexi. She's normal.
Exactly, that's why I was very disapointed in Lexi's arc and I never wanted her, the only normal caracter to get involved with a drug dealer/murderer.
can we appreciate that mina always looks so beautiful 😭
very that
she always serves ngl
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Indeed, Mina always looks effortlessly gorgeous! 😍
I am mesmerized by her necklace here!
unpopular opinion : Euphoria has always been mediocre
AGREED
Glad to see Im not the only one to find the show mediocre. The drug and dangerous sex situations are pretty accurate for some of me and my friends high school experiences but the writing feels overblown, plus Im pretty uncomfortable with the stuff ive heard about the cast not appreciating the sexualization under Sam's direction. Its messy.
i heard Sydney Sweeney was really uncomfortable with a lot of the nude scenes and he basically talked her into them. my husband said, probably halfway through season 1, “if this bitch gets naked one more time they better give her a porn credit or something, Jesus” lol
I feel like I’m a few years they’re all gonna come out talking about how they were all exploited by some sick director with a teen fetish.
@@SocialExperiment232 oh for sure! With Sydney’s statement about nudity, I agree in that women get blamed more than men but.. I sort of felt like her response was carefully crafted so as not to make her seem difficult to work with. 😬 like you said, it would not surprise me if she comes out with a different statement later on.
@@SocialExperiment232 It hasn't even been months and yet the actresses playing Faye and Maddy's boss (+Sydney) publicly stated that they were uncomfortable because the nudity made no sense, and brought nothing extra to the plotline. 😬 The actress playing Laurie's character said that the original script for the scene where Laurie helps Rue get into the bathtub before injecting her with morphine was awfully gross and almost pedophilic.
@@alexmavigok really? Wow that Laurie scene sounds crazy. I was already disturbed by the time rue was forced to get naked by that drug dealer character. Hard to even imagine how he could make those scenes worse. The fact that he made Chloe Cherry uncomfortable and she’s an adult film star seems very telling to me.
if you watched jules' special episode, it highlights how she fears femininity might've conquered her. hence season 2 shows her in more masculine silhouettes and colors. her character becomes freer and more comfortable, she's no longer new in town and she doesn't feel like proving herself to anyone anymore.
Also, I totally get what Heidi Beveins was saying about situations where her dressed in her S1 silhouette wouldn't be appropriate/ would work with the scene. Like she's not going to show up to stage an intervention dressed like she's going to fashion week... her outfits aren't top of mind at this point, so it makes sense that she's very dressed down.
She’s also been in the small town for a while by season 2 so she’s naturally going to start adopting clothes that are different from the original “just moved from the big city girl” looks
EXACTLY. people defend lexi’s play and don’t think it’s justified that cassie called Lexi out, like they wouldn’t be pissed if someone did the same thing to them.
nah cassie needed to be humbled
@@sophilia8565 this is honestly a narcissist way of thinking about "humbling someone" IT IS possible to idk, try to TALK to them or maybe suggest therapy lmao. Like putting on this big play exposing all their trauma isn't the only option .. this generation is savage and not in a good way
@@love-ip7sz Cassie is the fucking narcissist. She is literally experiencing the consequences of her own actions lmao. Idk why everyone wants to pretend she's some victim bc she cries about everything and pathetically begs for male attention. Sorry but someone had to break the illusion she is a sweet innocent do gooder
@@sophilia8565 If you really knew what a narcissist is you wouldn't say that. That's such a fucked up thing to say. She is a teenager with probably mental issues that should be addressed. Yes, she isn't innocent, but she is certainly not a narcissist. Secondly how the hell can you say she deserves it ?! Showing in front of dozens of you schoolmates your sister's traumas is just such a fucked up thing to do ! How can she deserve that ?! That's not how you become better ! Lexi is the one victim-blaming herself when she had literally NO RIGHT at all to display such personal information about the ones she calls her sister and friends.
@@thisisnotauserthisisaghost sorry but exactly what in that play was traumatic for Cassie? Humping a carousel? Honestly Lexi was kind with what she left out
The drug and sex depiction is actually fairly accurate - especially for more low income areas. Kids are born into drug dealing, so yes - ash is not the norm, but it happens. I think your view is a little too sheltered here. Elliot is a functioning drug addict, while rue isnt. Theres no message, it's just reality that these two can exist at the same time.
All in all, I do agree about the writing overall tho. Sam really needs a co writer to keep him in check. The first season was fine because is was all about introducing the characters. But connecting now those plotlines is another thing and he...kinda failed
Elliots song was beyond cringe, i think my soul left my body and skipped that shit forward lol
Yes I also think her view is also shelter on “being dramatic” with ashtray. The shoot out and not being able to go to school stuff like this does happen nobody else is telling him no or to stop. There was big hints already how naturally violent he gets, but no other serious convo about it tbh the police did what they had to do child or not he’s the shooter sadly, his brother wasn’t getting thru to him. Also he really can’t go to school without lying about having a birth certificate, since the mom said “watch my child” and never came back. Overall it’s just a tragic situation clearly nobody gets to see until it’s on the news it happens in my poor ass area :/
Yes but they aren't really low income. They are middle class
@@thandolwethumatholeni9105 Fez and ash are definitely more on the lower income side
I went to high school with the full spectrum of middle class students. It was a school of 3000 with really competitive academics and sports and a decently funded arts department, at least compared to “rival” public schools. There was a not insignificant amount of heroine and Coke passed around the upperclassmen when I was a freshman. Enough that one of my classmates kind of fell into it. And of course lotta pot. Kind of insane sex rumors, obviously most of them probably fake, but the ones that I knew about…man, the kernel of truth wasn’t just a kernel. A few rape accusations, a couple of suicides, and then multiple deaths every year. None were drug related, somehow.
My mom was a doc for the hospital by the university on the other side of town where a lot of the high schoolers would party. A senior came in ODed on heroine. When he finally came to, she absolutely interrogated him if I was involved.
Like, euphoria is insane, but it’s not that insane. Ashtray was perhaps the most unusual part of the show for me, but only because I never knew a dealer under 16.
Also, this was pretty miserable to live through.
@@glass.hammer may I ask where the hell did you live?
maddy didn’t have that much air time but she had the most character development..in the short time we see her you can really see how much she’s matured. the scene where she fought cassie, seems more of her finally deciding to put her in her place after trying to be the bigger person. i don’t think it made her go back to square one when she was messy. she just had enough of cassies bs and gave in-which is natural.
Agreed. Mina’s take on this is just bad. Growth is never linear anyway
I agree, Cassie had it coming. I think their scene at the end when Maddy was like “it’s just the beginning” it’s kinda like she finally pulled away from Cassie and Nate and is going to continue her life w/o them. And like she got her closure, not a good closure but a necessary one.
Am I wrong to think that a 12 year old drug dealer isn’t that unrealistic? I think it really depends where you grow up. When I was in middle school I know someone who was literally a hard drug dealer and got stabbed and couldn’t go to the hospital so just came to school and showed everyone his stab wound lmao like the storylines align with the craziest aspects of real teen experiences
i agree, obviously if some people don’t experience something they think everyone else in the world doesn’t experience it either
I don't know how common it is in the US, but here in Brazil I unfortunately still see it very often. My cousin died at age 14 because of his lifestyle (he also started it at age 12). His dad is still in prison and his mom (my auntie) went crazy, now her 2 other kids kinda survive on their own, I wish I could help but they live in another state and my family it's just not close to them :(
@@ennauak i’m really sorry to hear that, there’s a lot of violence out there and it’s really sad to see it in our own lives
@@eglop5841 the worst part it's how "numb" we get to violence and all of that. It should be shocking but it isn't. Today I was going to school and I passed by a group (we call boca de fumo, it's where drug dealers usually stay to sell drugs and watch the neighborhood/streets) and I saw people who looked my age (mostly young boys) and it's crazy how these people are holding big ass guns and I'm just like "hey excuse me I'm late for school"
@@ennauak that’s actually so terrible i’m from the US so i didn’t know the severity of how bad things are in certain other areas of course i’m aware some conditions are really dangerous but to learn of it from someone directly living through that is a new experience i’m so so sorry you have to live through that every day. i hope you’re able to move away from that lifestyle eventually
Don't forget DRAKE is executive producer on a bunch of eps!!!! Using adult actors to play kids being sexy and having him AKA a known CREEP having a large role is just so gross!!! Also having the writers channel their cis-het white story through a) a queer black woman (rue) and b) a TRANS woman is just do yuck!!! Hunter Schafers writing in the Jules special just showed how having trans voices helping write a trans character is so important!!!!
Zendaya is also an executive producer
and mixed,not black ^
Finally someone points out about PedoDrake being a main producer of the show
@@elleofhearts8471 zendaya is a black woman, she said it herself
@@jenicejones1489 Zendaya is mixed, not black.
I think Jules change of wardrobe has a lot more to do with her relationship with the hormones and how she doesn’t see the necessity of looking ultra feminine all the time to prove her femininity anymore.
We can kind of understand this change in the special episode when she talks about stopping with her hormones and seeking male validation to feel more feminine, this combined with the slightly influence of her small friend circle makes her change in her style believable to me.
"why does this 12 year old not go to school, isn't it, like, a law in America?" - as if the law seems to guide Fez or Ashtray in any other part of their lifestyle hahahha
Lexi's play was the highlight of the season for me, especially Ethan playing multiple roles. I'm glad that he's channeling the breakup with Kat into something productive.
I’m so lame, I hated the stage play thing. I kept thinking wow how did they get the budget for this, how did they allow her to make a play about the other girls at school. Too much suspension of disbelief required I guess.
I honestly didn't expect Kat and Ethan to break up this season, at the end of last season they look happy to each other 🙁
@@janine7384 I agree with you saying that the play wouldn't or couldn't have happened in real life but I did think it was entertaining, especially Ethan
Personally I thought it was weird that they didn't show more of Jules' and Elliots reaction to Rue's 'outburst' when she was going through withdrawal. Especially since Jules' mom was an addict, I just can't understand how she would sit there acting calm and let Rue scream all of these hurtful things to her. And then after that we see nothing of how she dealt with that? I hope this will be addressed later because they left Rue's and Jules' storyline on a very weird note here..
I think she was sitting there seemingly calm BECAUSE of her experience with her mum. She knows that shouting back at her of freaking out or drawing parallels to her mum isn't going to do anything constructive. Jules is doing her best to not make the situation about herself (because she knows that it is the withdrawals talking, not really Rue) and just to remind Rue that she is there to support her and that she loves her, despite the fact that she is heartbroken.
And even more confusing is how Rue attacked her mom and sister, broke down a door (scary stuff)…then we find out that Jules and Elliot were just sitting there the WHOLE TIME?!… none of them thought to intervene to prevent her from hurting anyone?????!!!!!
As somebody with an addict mom, sitting and staring is all you can manage after a certain point. You get very used to the hurtful things they say so quick and you learn to completely shut down when you’re yelled at, resorting to trying to show them the most love you can while being told you’re the worst.
I lived with drug addicts. You can't let what they say affect you because its not who they are. I'm assuming they just let Rues actions roll off because its her addiction that's speaking.
they didnt show jules and eliott afterwards because rue said she didnt wanna talk about them on the narration
My takes on Euphoria are these:
Jules was killed by Sam Levinson lmao, dude too her character and made it shitty
Lexi was toxic af for airing Cassie's issues to EVERYONE on her hs (also her play was a pos, i don't know why everyone thought she ate that)
Nate (i don't know if this is true, more than a theory) i'm bored and tired of the "i'm a closeted gay therefore i am extremely hom0ph0bic to gays"
Cassie is a cliche; girl with daddy issues that gew up to be hypersexual (also Sam Levinson weird thing for having her naked all the time is creeppy)
Fezco, if Fez was a black character nobody will pay attention to him. Also people love to romanicize him and call him "pure, good" NO HE'S NOT, he's a drug dealer. He probably sold drugs to Rue!! (No hate to Angus Cloud he looks like an amazing guy)
Lexi and Cassie's mom (i forgot her name) is an awful mother and we can see she's often neglectful towards her kids. She's not a queen.
Kat got a lot of hate for what she did to Ethan, which was bad, but she didn't own him anything and if she wasn't feeling it then it was the right decision to left him (she could have been better at breaking up with him)
This is why I don’t agree with solo writers room, you need that balance to keep your own BS at bay. Also, I’m here for the cinematography of this show but I enjoyed the first season and the standalone better. I will watch season 3 but I don’t know - I think Sam had clear favorites. I want to see what’s up with Nate’s queerness. Rue needs her ass handed to her. Jules needs to just be single, same with the rest of them actually lol
Cassie's storyline is not a cliche
Wow we have the same minds
@@andreinapereira552 It's not cliché, but it became unrealistic this season, it was very forced and almost impossible to take seriously. In the first season her character was well written and also well structured, but in the second season everything is based on her relationship with Nate and having sex (and I find Sam's obsession with Syd very disturbing), when they would have made much better use of her character. Her storyline was very good and also the daddy issues could've been a good arc for this new season, but they exploited it all badly. Love triangles are boring on their own, if you base an entire season on them nothing interesting can come of it
I felt like as a young gay person Jules sleeping with older men and her underaged. That whole situation is so realistic. I definitely was so close to being in situations like that. And alot of young gays and trans girls go through stuff like that
why tho? What do people gain from sleeping with older men?
@@soho6435 it's different for everybody but mostly validation. And I think that scene with Cal and Jules is pretty relatable for a lot a queer teenagers, including me.
@@soho6435 it's daddy issues. Young gay and trans kids don't usually have supportive fathers that make them feel safe and usually fend for themselves which is why they can seem so bitchy. Cause its just a defense mechanism of living a hard life. So getting a strong man that makes you feel safe it's kinda something they probably subconsciously seek out. Probably a yearning for stability and protection they never got to have.
@@ressesdave2250 i agree though for jules it was more her wanting to be seen as more “feminine” by sleeping with much older men, even if they didn’t see her as a real woman
Yeah in my experience too it’s hard finding queer people your age and feeling attractive to a straight society so going on apps and finding older people (either for friendship or for sex) to validate you isn’t unrealistic
unpopular opinion, but honestly......the writing was always kind of weak from the very beginning (plus hot take but i think him putting so much value on style over substance is v telling of his own confidence in the show's writing and ability to tell a story w/o all the visual aspects of the show) and i'm in the opinion that the acting is what truly made me stick with the show. it's just that s2 made those flaws even MORE blatant. imo, i do think sam has a lot of good ideas, but the execution can be very hit or miss. they need to use some of that budget to get him a writer's room for next season cause this isn't it.
Yes, agreed. The writing was very weak in s1 but decided to overlook it bcs everything else was good. This season on the other hand… 🙄
@@laura.bt83 yeah, the technical aspects + the acting were always the strongest things about the show during s1 which made the incredibly weak writing less noticeable. now that the visual aspect of the show, while still fantastic, is FAR more subdued in comparison to s1, the flaws in the story/dialogue/character arcs became faaaar more obvious.
Tbh in rly do not angree I actually liked the first season it was fine with only one season but then they made s2...
@@Jimin-km9qx eh, i enjoyed season one enough, but the writing was my biggest issue while watching which is why i'm not too surprised it fell off in s2. to each their own though.
You're right. There's been questionable things since season 1. It's only now just gotten more noticeable because of the increased viewership.
As a plus size person watching Kat get no proper storylines or anything is just disappointing.
Like even have her at this point, if you are not giving her anything to work with.
It’s a slap in the face, like sending the message us fatties need to fade into the background as always 🙄
@@dazanii it's cos she had a "fight" with the director, they removed her scenes
i heard someone describe euphoria as a show meant for adults who want to remember what being a teen felt like, not what it WAS like, and it made more sense to me (even if I still dislike with a lot of the storylines). When you're a teen, everything feels very serious, permanent, and like the end of the world. Your emotions are so intense and draining, and every social struggle feels like it'll be what ends your life. As for the lack of consequences, yeah_bc most of the time, the issues that teens panic the most about are often ultimately inconsequential. And yes, i know there are teenagers who DO really experience serious struggles, addiction, assault, violence, and problems in the home. But they react with the same level of heightened emotions that their peers do when facing way less intense struggles.
Personally, I would LOVE a more shows like PEN15 that accomplish that same effect but let the audience see it from a distance. Because I remember what it was like being a 13 year old girl-everything felt so dramatic amongst my friends/social circles and yet I somehow ignored all the home life problems that I came home to. And i can watch THAT show and laugh/cry along with the main characters and understand their very real, if less dramatic, pain.
My biggest issue with Euphoria, really, is... why the fuck are adults so invested in experiencing their youth again that they need to see teenagers on screen like that..... do we really need to see kids fucking 30 times in one episode to remember what it was like getting physical with our peers for the first time??
Honestly, I can’t watch it. It has so many “shock values” that I feel anxious and stressed after each episode. It is so ridiculous and the nudity/glorification of sexual exploitation just make me sick to my stomach.
I feel the same way!
that part of the show is very off putting
I feel the same way, tried watching it but couldn't. And I managed watching True Blood, at least it's about adults in that show.
I grew up pretty poor and adjacent to “rougher”crowds and have met 12-year-olds who really aren’t that far off from Ashtray. It seems over-the-top but these kids exist.
Yes, they sadly do. They have to grow up so soon. No childhood. I think that is what his character shows.
I feel as if it's a bit privileged for Mina to say that 12-year-old drug dealers don't exist, because they do and they're having to deal in order to survive. I know she didn't mean to though.
My thoughts exactly.
yep, exactly
@@peachiichipchiii yeah there’s nothing wrong with being unaware of this and I don’t fault anyone for viewing Ashtray’s character as unrealistic, but sadly it is realistic
The one thing I disagree with you on is Jules' costuming. In season 1 her outfits were extremely feminine and quite youthful, because she was trying to "conquer femininity" and gain male validation. Her clothes were SO CUTE, but she wasn't necessarily dressing that way for herself, but rather because, as a trans girl, she felt like she had to meet a higher standard of "femininity" than a cis girl. The changes in her wardrobe in season 2 reflect the fact that she is grappling with her gender identity and that she is trying to dress for herself, for comfort and self-expression, rather than for the male gaze. I personally loved the fact that she dressed a little bit more androgynous and that her clothes were less revealing this season. I think it reflected her growth as a character during season 1 - although its a shame that her character totally regressed this season....
YES THIS
Something I really enjoy about the change in Jules' style is because it has to do with the change in how Jules feels about her gender identity. She starts binding, cuts her hair, and adds masculinity to her fashion. She realizes she was performing a certain find of femininity in season one and she is trying to explore outside of that.
Sam Levinson should have learned from Tyler Perry that being a sole creator of something might actually not be for the better.
I get it, he created season 1 himself and it was great, and he's been riding the ego bus ever since but... It's time for more of a collective effort.
I guess he's working off of the creator of squid game's example rather than Tyler perry. Writers really should learn from eachother's mistakes more than their successes.
@@elleofhearts8471 Even by that, Squid Game's creator project was rejected for like 10 years to be accepted in 2019 by Netflix, in which he changed the script many times so it would become better lmao
Euphoria is a spin-off/reboot of an israeli show. Sure, Sam added and changed many elements from the israeli version, but he had already a base to write the first season. He just needs other writers or assistants to tell him "hey yo, this shit doesn't make sense"
Exactly. I was waiting on someone to draw the correlation to Tyler Perry. In my opinion, that’s one of the many reasons why Perry’s work is so bad.
@@zarinapena5846 thats even worse smh. I didnt even know that context. That speaks to a certain amount of humility and honesty with oneself as a writer to be able to reflect on your work, take criticism, and make changes. You cant do that if you think every single thing you write is a masterpiece that dare not be changed in the slightest by either yourself or another writer. But i guess they ignored that lesson.
I have a complicated relationship with euphoria too but holy crap season 2 was awful lol. Lexi’s play was fun yet it felt like this season went absolutely nowhere. Elliot singing for 45 minutes and not getting a full Maddie and Cassie fight…. Jules and Kat character’s just going to the trash. Ugh terrible season lol.
45 minutes 😭😭😭
im crying for the 45 minutes
jules dresses the way she does in s2 bc before she was dressing for male attention. in her special episode we can see that now she isn’t concerned with men.
this is also why it doesn’t rlly make sense for jules to cheat on rue with elliot
Literally and the fact that Jules have said multiple times she’s only interested in women
Tbh they can't see lesbians happy
@@Therealsoso10 yeah exaclty!! I'm really upset that in the end she hooked up with Elliott because he finds her hot and Rue wasn't giving her enough attention. It would have been nice to have at least one character who is not so obsessed in one way or the other with being desired by man (even though she used to)
It does tho. She's a teen. She can be somewhat self aware of her unhealthy view of men and her feminity, but still want to be with men anyways. Your feelings don't always match up with what the logical side of your brain acknowledges. She is still a teen and has been on hormones , and then admitted part of her expression of feminity is wanting validation from men, to wearing a bind and considering quitting hormones, obviously she isn't solid in anything
@@user-nf9xm7is3m sure, but for her to flat out say “im no longer interested in men” at least twice now just to have her cheat with one? its bad writing
Laurie's thinly-veiled threat WAS addressed in the plot in s2e5. When Rue was going through withdrawal, she went to Laurie as a last resort to get a fix after Fezco threw her out. Laurie told Rue she didn't have any pills, only morphine, insinuating that if Rue wasn't already using intravenous drugs, it was a bad idea to give it to her because IV drugs work quicker and more effectively, opening up the possibility of the addict gaining a new addiction. But this was Laurie being manipulative and disingenuous because when Rue ran to use the bathroom, Laurie went to her suitcase to grab a needle and the morphine in preparation for the inevitability of Rue caving in and asking for anything that will help lessen her suffering, regardless of how risky it is. Laurie knew this because she even told Rue prior that she herself knew how hard going through withdrawal was, and in the past, she would have done to make it stop. She knew Rue would cave and ask for the morphine, and in the suitcase next to the morphine is what looks suspiciously like orange pill bottles with white lids. Having been or is an addict herself, Laurie knew that Rue was unable to keep her word about paying her back after seeing the state she was in. Seeing how desperate Rue was, she knew Rue had no resources to turn to and therefore she was unreliable. She WANTED Rue to develop a new habit that she can supply her with in order to pimp Rue out, making good on both her threat about selling Rue and the comment about the luck they as women have because even if they don't have money, they have something that can be exchanged for it. Rue being kidnapped and locked in a room with Laurie's cronies on lookout was the first step in Laurie's attempt at trying to get her money back. Rue then escapes, and we as viewers are expected to suspend our disbelief of Laurie and her people eventually giving up on finding her or not searching in the first place. What is more probable is that they are probably biding their time until season 3.
Yes, the Laurie plot in season 2 was good.
Right, Laurie said when she Rue she knew this girl would be in her life for a long time. She knew Rue would be indebted to her one way or another.
THANK YOU! I know people probably wanted a more theatrical, complex scene with Laurie but I felt that whole scene was done very well. If you pay attention to everything she says, watch what she does, etc, you know she intended to keep Rue locked up for however long she pleased.
no consequences, no reflection, no depth. The cinematography is beautiful but I found this season very flat! I think a lot of the criticism about the characters' ages would go away if they developed the stories more and showed their journeys and struggles instead of just giving us pretty things. I'm tired of storylines starting and never being finished, or finished in a rush. TV should be satisfying!!!
I personally like Jules's style shift in s2, especially bc I have been going through a similar journey. She's experimenting with her gender and sexuality, and how to view herself in a not male-gazey kind of way, so it makes sense that her hyper femme clothing is replaced with more a androgynous and experimental style. She was trying to be the perfect girl that all str8 men want in s1 and in s2 she has grown from that. You can still see her passion for fashion but in a different way.