@@Superclip2543its more powerful and quick. Better suited for action packed scenes, wheres the OG st is more fitting for those beautiful, and calm moments
Just sounds like a rip off. He does that with every theme in the MonsterVerse. If you’re going to play the first 2 or 3 notes of a song, might as well actually play the real thing instead of the dollar store version.
@@CobbleBompster fr I hate how his version of the godzilla theme is literally just the first few notes and nothing else. It doesn’t progress into the rest of the original theme like they did in KOTM
I didn’t like this theme at first but after seeing the movie it’s beginning to grow on me. I only wish it was the actual Mothra leitmotif instead of a weird soundalike, just like Godzilla’s theme. Those original themes in Junkie’s style could work really well IMO, but he just refuses to do them for some stupid reason about them “not fitting a modern film” or whatever.
I think the issue is licensing. Legendary not only has to pay to license Toho's kaiju but also the kaiju's roars and pay for their musical themes. I hear that each license is really expensive which is why we only heard their original themes in KotM and not since. It's another reason why Legendary is creating their own kaiju instead of paying to use Toho's. And let's give Junkie XL's co composer some credit. I think Antonio Di Iorio is the reason I like this score more than GvK. I'm not a fan of Junkie's scores except Fury Road and Mortal Engines. I think a lot of his stuff sounds soulless and flat but I think his collab with Di Iorio is the difference for me for GxK. Kept him away from his worst tendencies, IMO.
@@antoniochasten3192 it’s so stupid that Toho charges for the characters, sound effects and themes _separately._ I’ve never even heard of another company that does this.
I love the original Mothra theme, I love Bear McCreary’s rendition of the theme. I also love Michiru Oshima’s theme for Mothra for Tokyo SOS, it’s different but it fits her character. This theme for Mothra fits the character, it’s regal and majestic as the Queen deserves. Just like the new Godzilla theme is powerful and loud, and Kong’s is heroic. I don’t get why people say it’s a bad score. Disappointing sure, worth a listen outside of the movies themselves? Probably not. But they fit the monster action very well.
@@OtachiKaiju68honestly this theme is one of my favourite themes in this movie especially when Godzilla Kong and mothra roar in agreeance with each other in Egypt its sounds epic
Lemme just say it like this: GxK Mothra looks better than her KoTM version but the KoTM Mothra theme is among the best ones if not the best one ever created
Bear McCreary's KotM score is god tier like a lot of his work. I keep that score on heavy rotation. Mothra looked good in both films but I do agree with you, she looks better in GxK.
Its slowly growing on me, but i do enjoy her original more. I wouldnt be opposed to giving her a new ost that takes like, 30% from this and 70% from the original to make an interesting mix
I honestly feel like Mothra was underutilized in this movie. She had like only 2 minutes of screentime here compared to the 6 minutes of screentime of KOTM, and did even less here than KOTM. She felt kinda shoehorned in GxK and felt like she didn’t matter. She didn’t even participate in the final battle, where in KOTM she did and was a crucial part in the movie and in the final fight, unlike in GxK. And the new theme by Junkie XL really doesn’t help, souring even more her barely there presence. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy she is back, but she did more in KOTM where she felt like a crucial part to the story unlike GxK.
Your crazy dude. Mothra literally participated in the final battle 😂 when they were in hollow earth she helped protect godzilla and the humans. Literally if you would stop complaining you would know that she was there to protect them all
@@donatodicugno3630Mothra salvó a Godzilla luego de que fue congelado por Shimu, ¿eso no es importante? además sabes bien que es un titán más de apoyo que de pelea, hizo bien en ayudar con precaución porque fácilmente la podrían matar
she also just kind of...... appears out of thin air somehow? instead of emerging from a cocoon or some kind of state of suspended animation she gets teleported in by.... gravity and a child. where did this mothra come from???
This theme works best in the slower, calmer styles of Memories Resurface, IWI findings, and Myth and Ritual. Also, the flute with accidentals sounds INCREDIBLE for this theme (0:00)
sheeeesh, what I would do for the original leitmotifs... Bear McCreary really was a Goat for using them in KOTM, but if the problem is licensing... foken TOHO
They can't bring it back, it's copyrighted, all they could really do is just remake of the song or just do a new theme for mothra which isn't all bad, this one isn't that bad, I honestly love it equally as her kotm theme
I haven't seen The New Empire yet, so I don't know the context. But I'll give my opinion on this judging from my understanding of Mothra as a Godzilla fan who hasn't seen much of the Toho movies outside of the Millennium era. It's fine, I guess. If we couldn't get Mothra's original theme, this works as a fine stand in. The problems aren't composition, but arrangement; as much as I love synthesizers, they don't really fit Mothra at all. She's a symbol of nature. The cycle if life, death, and rebirth. Sure in GMK, there were some synthesizers in her theme there, but she was reimagined as something very different in what she meant. The Monsterverse didn't change what she was that much, just made her more of a demigoddess with some explainable elements, with her divine nature more implied rather than said directly. But that's makes her even closer to nature, so the synthesizers are even more unfitting than if they stuck to her being a true goddess. It's also... not beautiful enough? Mothra is very feminine, even her son Mothra Leo (from the little I know of the Mothra trilogy) is still betrayed somewhat feminine. So the heavy brass doesn't feel as fitting as the flute of the KOTM rearrangement of Mothra's original theme. Mothra super fans, how did I do?
While I love McCreary's Mothra Theme, I gotta give props to Holkenborg man. He created a theme just as beautiful as McCreary's in King of the Monsters. At some parts, it even sounded like McCreary's theme most of the time. Man, I wish these two can work together at some point in a future monsterverse film, and have a conversation like Windgard did with MInus One's Director. Maybe Tom can learn a little something from McCreary along the way.
Considering Holkenborg said he felt it was insincere to use the OG themes (despite knowing his predecessor had done exactly that), I doubt McCreary would ever want to sit down and chat with him when Holkenborg is taking shots at his work
But on the side note, Mothra being revived on the temple doesn't make sense to me. Like whenever she dies, she gets reborn through her eggs and her memories will telepathically transfer to her egg. But then she gets revived randomly?? That doesn't add up to me.
And what happened to the egg that was in kotm’s credits, couldn’t they just get a scene where Mothra emerges from said egg instead of her appearing out of buck no where
This clearly was not meant to be mothra. Like even the thing says that Martha was not supposed to be the third Titan that helped Kong and Godzilla it was obviously supposed to be the Phoenix.
How did Mothra come back? In Godzilla: King of the Monsters, she laid an egg in China (Which the director confirmed). So how the heck is this happening?
NAH THIS SOUNDTRACK SLAPPED. 🔥 This theme works. I prefer new themes than just everyone saying: OmG WhY CaNt We PlAY GodZilLa ThemE, WhY CanT tHEY uSE OG MoThrA theMe.
One thing is a new theme that works well (like 2014 Godzilla theme) and another is something just mediocre. Where are the godly vibes Mothra theme used to give?
@@lobsterebir07oh I have. This is definitely on the lower end of my list. I’m a musician myself, middle school! But I also feel like everyone has dragged Junkie so bad. Like damn. I just enjoyed this film and the score with it. Hoping the next film has a new composer tho. I like change in the MV.
I liked mothra in this movie way more than kotm, and this theme is better than the one in kotm🗣 Edit: was kinda speaking out of hype here, I still like this theme a lot and think it fits perfectly with the movie and the rest of the soundtrack but after listening to kotm's mothra theme again I think I like it more
You liked Mothra in this movie where she appeared less (only 2 minutes in total) and did even less than in KOTM where she actually played an important part? And you seriously think this theme is better than her theme in KOTM? Yeah, you are wrong 💀
Tom's themes are okay. Only reusing the main leitmotif but making it arguably worse and more toned down when compared to the KOTM version is getting a little lazy. They need to get a new person to do the soundtrack for the next possible sequel.
The melody is way too cheesy for a film about giant animals. They're turning into superheroes... I personally don't think this is a good choice musically.
@@griffysfnafchannel Yes, but I'm talking about the Monster Verse, not anything made by Toho. They were never considered superheroes (heros and superheroes are wildly different things) and more of an alliance of humanity and nature, yet never truly on on our team. It was about the coexistence. I'm okay with a superhero take on the characters, but not if the tone was already established in the universe. I prefer things to be a little more consistent. The Lord of the Rings series is a great example of constancy in tone. They add a lot to each film, yet they stay true to the intended tone of the first installment. I'm sure the film is still fine, but I just don't care for it as much since it's not my cup of tea.
![Monsterverse [2017 - 2024] - Mothra Screen Time](/img/1.gif)
Not the OG theme but this one is still really good at capturing who Mothra is, angelic and beautiful.
I think this one is even better ❤
@@Superclip2543its more powerful and quick. Better suited for action packed scenes, wheres the OG st is more fitting for those beautiful, and calm moments
@@thatgabeitchinyourcloset6292 couldn't have said it better myself
“They awaken Mothra. Defender of the Iwi and an ancient ally of Godzilla” -Dr Ilene Andrews. 2024
The visual aspect and color palette of the film in general is very good, but when Mothra appears it is excellent, it is beautiful at all times
Just how a queen like Mothra should look.
Like how Tom brought back a little of Mothras old theme
Just sounds like a rip off. He does that with every theme in the MonsterVerse. If you’re going to play the first 2 or 3 notes of a song, might as well actually play the real thing instead of the dollar store version.
@@CobbleBompster fr I hate how his version of the godzilla theme is literally just the first few notes and nothing else. It doesn’t progress into the rest of the original theme like they did in KOTM
@@YodaOnABenderbecause thats lazy. Also extremely boring. Ive heard the same theme millions of times
@@Bumbaclaat360 I can’t tell which movie you’re talking about now
The license guys, remember how is Toho with the copyright
The Return of the Queen.
I didn’t like this theme at first but after seeing the movie it’s beginning to grow on me. I only wish it was the actual Mothra leitmotif instead of a weird soundalike, just like Godzilla’s theme. Those original themes in Junkie’s style could work really well IMO, but he just refuses to do them for some stupid reason about them “not fitting a modern film” or whatever.
It’s cuz junkie sucks
that's exactly why watch movie first then listen to soundtracks
I rather the original themes like in KOTM they could have easily been worked in with the new ones. KOTM soundtrack claps this one .
I think the issue is licensing. Legendary not only has to pay to license Toho's kaiju but also the kaiju's roars and pay for their musical themes. I hear that each license is really expensive which is why we only heard their original themes in KotM and not since. It's another reason why Legendary is creating their own kaiju instead of paying to use Toho's. And let's give Junkie XL's co composer some credit. I think Antonio Di Iorio is the reason I like this score more than GvK. I'm not a fan of Junkie's scores except Fury Road and Mortal Engines. I think a lot of his stuff sounds soulless and flat but I think his collab with Di Iorio is the difference for me for GxK. Kept him away from his worst tendencies, IMO.
@@antoniochasten3192 it’s so stupid that Toho charges for the characters, sound effects and themes _separately._ I’ve never even heard of another company that does this.
I love the original Mothra theme, I love Bear McCreary’s rendition of the theme. I also love Michiru Oshima’s theme for Mothra for Tokyo SOS, it’s different but it fits her character.
This theme for Mothra fits the character, it’s regal and majestic as the Queen deserves. Just like the new Godzilla theme is powerful and loud, and Kong’s is heroic.
I don’t get why people say it’s a bad score. Disappointing sure, worth a listen outside of the movies themselves? Probably not. But they fit the monster action very well.
Exactly, I like the majestic feel this theme has, even if it's not the same as the original.
@@OtachiKaiju68honestly this theme is one of my favourite themes in this movie especially when Godzilla Kong and mothra roar in agreeance with each other in Egypt its sounds epic
@ ikr? It’s really awesome!
The "IWI findings" section goes unnecessarily hard.
Mothra was a spectacle as always. Even if her appearance was short.
All hail queen of the monsters, Mothra has returned
Lemme just say it like this: GxK Mothra looks better than her KoTM version but the KoTM Mothra theme is among the best ones if not the best one ever created
Bear McCreary's KotM score is god tier like a lot of his work. I keep that score on heavy rotation. Mothra looked good in both films but I do agree with you, she looks better in GxK.
@@antoniochasten3192 im glad she finally got some screen time that did her justice
@@matthewpuwalowski4567 Absolutely agree 👍
@@matthewpuwalowski4567>screentime
>she appears only for two minutes
Define ‘giving her justice’
She basically looks the same as her KOTM’s version, except she’s yellow now.
Honestly, I don't get the hate with this theme. I honestly love it.
No one hates it people prefer the original I don’t blame them there isn’t much of the original in this one so yeah…
It kinda relaxes me like I shouldn’t stop giving up hope.
I can’t believe Mothra separated Godzilla and kong when they were about to kiss
Shame on Adam Wingard for cutting out the ten minute Godzilla and Kong sex scene. A disservice to the fans!!!
@@azc0na this is why critics gave him a mixed score!
Man Steamy Lizard on Gorilla action is missing 😆
Like he did to the MUTOS
@@azc0naoh!
it may not be the toho theme but it's still majestic
This made me happy just to see Mothra with Godzilla and King Kong.
Especially the part where all three roar in agreement to help each other and imo end the Godzilla Kong war for good
2:35 this part sounded pretty good
Its slowly growing on me, but i do enjoy her original more.
I wouldnt be opposed to giving her a new ost that takes like, 30% from this and 70% from the original to make an interesting mix
My reaction to Mothra being back to the monster verse after 1 movie 😳
I honestly feel like Mothra was underutilized in this movie. She had like only 2 minutes of screentime here compared to the 6 minutes of screentime of KOTM, and did even less here than KOTM. She felt kinda shoehorned in GxK and felt like she didn’t matter. She didn’t even participate in the final battle, where in KOTM she did and was a crucial part in the movie and in the final fight, unlike in GxK. And the new theme by Junkie XL really doesn’t help, souring even more her barely there presence. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy she is back, but she did more in KOTM where she felt like a crucial part to the story unlike GxK.
Your crazy dude. Mothra literally participated in the final battle 😂 when they were in hollow earth she helped protect godzilla and the humans. Literally if you would stop complaining you would know that she was there to protect them all
@@titanuscreature4485all of that and didn’t contribute in any MEANINGFUL way in the battle, like actually helping in winning.
@@donatodicugno3630Mothra salvó a Godzilla luego de que fue congelado por Shimu, ¿eso no es importante?
además sabes bien que es un titán más de apoyo que de pelea, hizo bien en ayudar con precaución porque fácilmente la podrían matar
I was just explaining this same thing to a friend. Happy Mothra has returned but there’s not enough reverence. KotM did a much better job.
she also just kind of...... appears out of thin air somehow? instead of emerging from a cocoon or some kind of state of suspended animation she gets teleported in by.... gravity and a child. where did this mothra come from???
This theme works best in the slower, calmer styles of Memories Resurface, IWI findings, and Myth and Ritual. Also, the flute with accidentals sounds INCREDIBLE for this theme (0:00)
You did the best you could with what the soundtrack attempted to give.
absolutely stunning 😍
5:57 the music changes perfectly
This is the Titanus Phospera theme that inhabits on egypt.
5:02 this reminds me of gmk mothra theme listen this
Is it the same?
Similar but not quite
sheeeesh, what I would do for the original leitmotifs... Bear McCreary really was a Goat for using them in KOTM, but if the problem is licensing... foken TOHO
I wish I could buy/download this song, it’s all so nicely put together and beautiful, whereas in the movie O.S.T. it’s a bit all over the place.
THIS BGM ❤
5:05 She's back!
5:02 I love this part ❤❤❤
This is the best mothra ever
Bring Back Bear McCreary's Mothra Theme
Yeah yeah yeah we get it
Cry about it bro its not gonna help you if you keep commenting that
@@GomenZilla sheesh someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed
They can't bring it back, it's copyrighted, all they could really do is just remake of the song or just do a new theme for mothra which isn't all bad, this one isn't that bad, I honestly love it equally as her kotm theme
Forget the haters this theme was amazing! Long live the Queen!!!!!!
I haven't seen The New Empire yet, so I don't know the context. But I'll give my opinion on this judging from my understanding of Mothra as a Godzilla fan who hasn't seen much of the Toho movies outside of the Millennium era.
It's fine, I guess. If we couldn't get Mothra's original theme, this works as a fine stand in. The problems aren't composition, but arrangement; as much as I love synthesizers, they don't really fit Mothra at all. She's a symbol of nature. The cycle if life, death, and rebirth. Sure in GMK, there were some synthesizers in her theme there, but she was reimagined as something very different in what she meant. The Monsterverse didn't change what she was that much, just made her more of a demigoddess with some explainable elements, with her divine nature more implied rather than said directly. But that's makes her even closer to nature, so the synthesizers are even more unfitting than if they stuck to her being a true goddess. It's also... not beautiful enough? Mothra is very feminine, even her son Mothra Leo (from the little I know of the Mothra trilogy) is still betrayed somewhat feminine. So the heavy brass doesn't feel as fitting as the flute of the KOTM rearrangement of Mothra's original theme.
Mothra super fans, how did I do?
🥂
I love the Music
I actually like the alteration of mothras original theme to this one, it's actually amazing
I love Mothra she is so adorable 🥹
Great Value Mothra theme
This theme is at its best when mothras fighting tbh
My precious Mothra.
What did she do to Big G when he was charging up to end kong... was it like a neutralising buffer
I’m think it’s remix on original theme like it was with Godzilla theme(reminiscent of the original theme, but performed with different notes)
It’s not bad but I still prefer the KOTM theme for it making mothra sound like a true queen of the monsters
Sounds like a music that would be in ark
While I love McCreary's Mothra Theme, I gotta give props to Holkenborg man. He created a theme just as beautiful as McCreary's in King of the Monsters. At some parts, it even sounded like McCreary's theme most of the time. Man, I wish these two can work together at some point in a future monsterverse film, and have a conversation like Windgard did with MInus One's Director. Maybe Tom can learn a little something from McCreary along the way.
McCreary's Mothra Theme is the original Mothra Theme from Yuji Koseki.
Are you high??
Considering Holkenborg said he felt it was insincere to use the OG themes (despite knowing his predecessor had done exactly that), I doubt McCreary would ever want to sit down and chat with him when Holkenborg is taking shots at his work
"just as beautiful" you dont really have to lie to yourself like that you know..
This song is honestly amazing and as good as kotm to me, I love both the themes
But on the side note, Mothra being revived on the temple doesn't make sense to me. Like whenever she dies, she gets reborn through her eggs and her memories will telepathically transfer to her egg. But then she gets revived randomly?? That doesn't add up to me.
And what happened to the egg that was in kotm’s credits, couldn’t they just get a scene where Mothra emerges from said egg instead of her appearing out of buck no where
The Divine and Glorious part sounds like the Oreo song from Wreck-It Ralph
even though mothras theme from kotm was an homage to the original mothras theme from gxk sounds more like a rebirth
"Toho requests a shitons millions of money for the f*cking music" theme vibes
This clearly was not meant to be mothra.
Like even the thing says that Martha was not supposed to be the third Titan that helped Kong and Godzilla it was obviously supposed to be the Phoenix.
I love this version of Mothra UwU
Alright bro, chill tf out
KotM slams but this is a really good substitute in my opinion.
The music's good but I love the KOTM better because it has the OG
How did Mothra come back? In Godzilla: King of the Monsters, she laid an egg in China (Which the director confirmed). So how the heck is this happening?
The kotm egg hatched into mothra larva,
@@JakisLosowyEdytor
No, it's like that Mothra's egg ended up in Hollow Earth
Spoilers:
When Godzill saw Mothra in Egypt his facial begin to have flashback back in 2019 it’s like a reunion after that lost.
Another spoiler: Godzilla returns to coliseum and mothra joins him and they sleep together
@@inactiveeagle04 nuh uh
@@inactiveeagle04we wished
@@Norfolksouthern6920 true dat
Mothra theme with no Mothra theme.
I go back on the KOTM one.
Cry boy
@@Canal25bits Crying for a theme?
C'mon I'm smarter than a guy who tells me to cry for a theme. 😂
Sounds like Avengers theme
Sounds very similar to the outer worlds main menu music
KOTM Mothra theme is better
Nope
Much better
@@Canal25bits nah both are good
Tie
Ngl
This sounds like a heisei goji theme
Its pretty, a little generic and not as dynamic and regal, but not bad. That ending tho...was something
I like this, but damn the kotm was better.
This one sounds even more bootleggy than Holkenborg’s already legally dubious Godzilla theme.
NAH THIS SOUNDTRACK SLAPPED. 🔥 This theme works. I prefer new themes than just everyone saying: OmG WhY CaNt We PlAY GodZilLa ThemE, WhY CanT tHEY uSE OG MoThrA theMe.
One thing is a new theme that works well (like 2014 Godzilla theme) and another is something just mediocre.
Where are the godly vibes Mothra theme used to give?
Hey its at least a different take in music, I honestly enjoy this theme asmuch as kotm, there both good
@@lobsterebir07oh I have. This is definitely on the lower end of my list. I’m a musician myself, middle school! But I also feel like everyone has dragged Junkie so bad. Like damn. I just enjoyed this film and the score with it. Hoping the next film has a new composer tho. I like change in the MV.
I think Godzilla kotm IS BEST
I don’t hate this theme but KOTM theme is still better
*souka* \
I liked mothra in this movie way more than kotm, and this theme is better than the one in kotm🗣
Edit: was kinda speaking out of hype here, I still like this theme a lot and think it fits perfectly with the movie and the rest of the soundtrack but after listening to kotm's mothra theme again I think I like it more
I love this one more too.
Bro did not cook this comment
McCreary cooked a 5 star dish with the finnest ingredients.
JunkieXL microwaved and got overcooked in the outside and raw in the inside
You liked Mothra in this movie where she appeared less (only 2 minutes in total) and did even less than in KOTM where she actually played an important part? And you seriously think this theme is better than her theme in KOTM? Yeah, you are wrong 💀
@@donatodicugno3630let it go bro, we can’t argue with crazy 😔
Way inferior compared to the 2019 version
Is is better
personaly kotm was better and felt closer to the original 😅
Tom's themes are okay. Only reusing the main leitmotif but making it arguably worse and more toned down when compared to the KOTM version is getting a little lazy. They need to get a new person to do the soundtrack for the next possible sequel.
This is literally what i've been saying but people keep meat riding his underwhelming work
.....It is odd they decided to keep the original Mothra's theme and not other themes 😐😐🤨🤨
It's Mothra
@@Coldpizza123 I meant they kept her original theme, while They decided not to keep Godzilla's original theme, and other kaijus' original theme, etc.
@@adriana.5446 aight
They didn't, what are you on about? Go listen to Mothra's theme again, this isn't it.
@@JazukaiX it kind of is.. they reuse the first three notes at least, you cant really reuse the first three notes of godzillas 1954 theme though
This is genuinely insulting to her as a character
The melody is way too cheesy for a film about giant animals. They're turning into superheroes... I personally don't think this is a good choice musically.
dude they where always hero's even before the monsterverse.
@@griffysfnafchannel Yes, but I'm talking about the Monster Verse, not anything made by Toho.
They were never considered superheroes (heros and superheroes are wildly different things) and more of an alliance of humanity and nature, yet never truly on on our team. It was about the coexistence. I'm okay with a superhero take on the characters, but not if the tone was already established in the universe. I prefer things to be a little more consistent. The Lord of the Rings series is a great example of constancy in tone. They add a lot to each film, yet they stay true to the intended tone of the first installment.
I'm sure the film is still fine, but I just don't care for it as much since it's not my cup of tea.
@@griffysfnafchannel Sorry for the long reply, I enjoy writing... Lol!
@@Shane-music same actually
so angelic music is now = hero music apparently...
Damn...
That's kinda bland