Just sounds like someone needs to take the leap to [re-]design it properly for the use case. Which at this point would likely be a passion project as proof of concept type beat. Hopefully someone comes along and does it, as the potential definitely sounds like it's there! I also do wonder how it would be for beginners starting from scratch, as in both your cases you're still building atop the transferable parts of of your aiming skill that you've built up before. So I'm curious how people starting from 0 prior gaming/aiming experience would be/take to it...
Yeah would be interesting, I might actually get my partner to play some kovaaks on a mouse then on a pen and see the differences, she does game so is familiar with a mouse but she can't aim at all, she's a wow player lol
@@NineLives9 Ooh, that defo sounds like it could be fun to try out and see how it goes! 😂 And yeh if she's familiar with a mouse, but can't aim, sounds like you'd still be getting a good point of reference for if the pen is more intuitive/easier
Oof literally looked up this vid bc I wanted to try it but forgot I was left handed too. Could never switch my movement to my right hand and could never hold a pen with my right.
2:15 -- You can utilize angle snapping. With the right angle snapping values, it never gets in the way of diagonal movements for me, but helps immensely to flick and turn at speed. It locks your rotation axis horizontally or vertically when you're above a set velocity/speed. I use it in RawAccel which is a mouse acceleration driver that offers two other even lesser known, but incredibly useful features: sensor rotation and angle snapping.
@@merrickx ah interesting, I haven't played on a tablet in a while but have considered using it again. I am familiar with raw Accel Ive used it a fair bit in the past on a mouse
Ive been playing like this for like 9+ months now (Gaomon s620) and I godda say I love the precision you can get, but yeah, turning around can take some getting used to. I also use tab to aim in, and depending on the game I'm playing, I use toggle aim (only on games where you need to aim in for longer periods of time; otherwise, I use the normal way), but I've also struggled to get it to work with games like Valorant because of their anti-cheats (it's the only one I've found so far, but I'm sure there are more). I really hope this becomes more of a standard so I can say I did it before it was popular lol. (In all seriousness I think this playstyle has some real potential we just need somone to go pro with it or something and really show people what it can do).
Solution to your problem with the pen slipping around in your hand. When I used to play Osu I poped the side buttons out of the pen. This leave a nice slot you can put you thumb on. Also guarantees that you grip is the same everytime you hold the pen.
ye dude i had the same experience when playing osu! years ago. its so fuckin op for aiming esp on a 2d plane but its rough having no mouse buttons and needing to swap to both mouse-like cursor movement and higher sens def hurts tablet a bit there are actually top mouse osu! players too though so i wouldnt be surprised if theyre relatively close to equal id bet theres an advantage in certain situations though
Yeah I've never even played OSU or used a tablet at all and I can already feel how good it can be for certain things when aiming, it's also just really fun and smooth to play with, I enjoy it quite a bit
Glad i found another person who plays with pen! But jokes aside, this playstyle has potential. Kariyu proved its doable, now we need more people to try it out. I personally tried it for fun, then i permanently switched. My aim got a lot better with it but yeah turning around is a nightmare. I personally use raw accel to counter this, but i feel like i should lower my sens and buy a bigger tablet ngl.
Me and my mate were actually talking about using raw Accel to counter that issue too, but haven't tried it yet. Yeah pen is fun though for sure, I was recently attempting to get a top score on kovaaks with the pen, I got #130ish on a target switch task, I'll get atleast top 100 and make a little vid about it, I think the pen is genuinely better for certain scenarios
Tbh I think raw accel makes tablet a lot more usable, you get the high precision of a low sens while being able to turn around quickly. I think the biggest cons of tablet are definitely the limited size, polling rate and mouse buttons. Price is also a big issue tbh. (You paid $500 for your tablet which is just too much, and you actually could've gotten one of those larger wacom pro tablets for the same price) It would be really interesting to see a "gaming drawing tablet" which has these issues fixed in some way. I'll make sure to check out the vid once it comes out, as you said pen is good for tracking, but I feel like it can be good for everything with enough practice.
One thing I haven't heard any pen/tablet RUclipsr talk about is gamepads. I use a Razer Tartarus v2 sometimes instead of a keyboard for gaming and it has a scroll wheel built in. I think this would go really well with pen gaming cuz you can now scroll with the left hand or have a joystick and bind wasd to other functions and it's only like $50.
Gamepad is pretty neat, you can essentially map all of your movement to the left thumb, and the rest of your fingers have access to whatever hot keys you like
I'd recommend the xp-pen line of products, they're a lot more affordable for about the same quality (though there's a lot of subjectivity to whether your pen or tablet feels right to you)
Dude, that's crazy. Your aim on a pen looks like a super hard aim bot(or ai aim bot looks similar as well). I bought myself a one and I hope I don't get banned.
Tattoo artist fix the grip of their machines with tons of griptape to make it more grippy and thicker so its easier to hold with less fatigue for the hand :)
i have a Artist 15.6 Pro, im curious what you think it'd be like to aim and shoot with the same screen im using for the game. It's a screen drawing tablet.
Yea that'd be a big drawback. but your eyes would always be on your cursor to help with aiming more i think. Maybe with some games it could work, probably not warzone or anything like that.@@NineLives9
it's insane to me that you somehow managed to spend 500 bucks on a medium sized drawing tablet, not even a cintique (monitor u can draw on), i remember my first drawing tablet for digital art was also a wacom and it was rather small but it was only 80 euros and not too much smaller than yours. i'd have imagined the prices would've only gone down but oh well. a gaming version would obviously be a lot cheaper as it wouldn't need any preassure sensitivity or hotkey buttons.
@@NineLives9 i'm still baffled at how much that small tablet was tho. i now have two cintiques, both much larger than your normal tablet and they were cheaper as well. so i essentially got a larger tablet, where i can actually draw onto the monitor with more hotkeys and for less money...
I've played like this in Diabotical since beginning of 2024... Aim-wise, after a week I had caught up with 20 years of aiming with a mouse. 9.1428cm/360 quickly became the sweetspot for me. Opposed to other pen players I don't think using the pen like a drawing tool (low sens + arm movement) is the right way. I'm using it at higher send like when I write words and letters. It's all in the fingers, and some wrist for repositioning. I found that the only tablet that worked for me was the Wacom Intuos Pro since the cheaper ones had inconsistencies with hover distance or too high latency... Both made them useless for gaming. So there's imo only the pth-660 and 860 that is useful for playing fps games. Not the one used in this review. I also don't recommend shooting with touching surface. Use the keyboard for that instead. Zooming by touching surface however can work well. Best thing aiming with a pen is that even after 6 months break it just feels natural... You don't have to play regularly like with mouse aim. I agree that tracking aim is where it excels
yeah thats sick man, yeah i made a few other vids on this topic where i switched from touching the tablet to shoot and just used a key to shoot instead, felt a lot better, i also stopped touching the tablet altogether and just hovered the mouse while aiming, felt super quick and kind of satisfying, unfortunately all current FPS games are not interesting me much so im kind of holding out for something i like before i try this out again
500 Aud for a drawing tablet are you kidding me 🤦♂you can get a graphic tablet for that amount I have an xp-pen deco v1 bought it in 2019 for around 132 AUD still works dimension 10"(25cm) x 6.25"(15.8cm)
yeah i think wacom is particularly expensive, i still want to get a much bigger one, was recently looking at some cheaper much larger tablets, still havent had the proper experience of aiming freely on a tablet due to lack of space
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Just sounds like someone needs to take the leap to [re-]design it properly for the use case. Which at this point would likely be a passion project as proof of concept type beat. Hopefully someone comes along and does it, as the potential definitely sounds like it's there!
I also do wonder how it would be for beginners starting from scratch, as in both your cases you're still building atop the transferable parts of of your aiming skill that you've built up before. So I'm curious how people starting from 0 prior gaming/aiming experience would be/take to it...
Yeah would be interesting, I might actually get my partner to play some kovaaks on a mouse then on a pen and see the differences, she does game so is familiar with a mouse but she can't aim at all, she's a wow player lol
@@NineLives9 Ooh, that defo sounds like it could be fun to try out and see how it goes! 😂
And yeh if she's familiar with a mouse, but can't aim, sounds like you'd still be getting a good point of reference for if the pen is more intuitive/easier
Ive always wanted to adapt this but I'm left handed- tried css surf and apex and couldn't do it 😥
Oof literally looked up this vid bc I wanted to try it but forgot I was left handed too. Could never switch my movement to my right hand and could never hold a pen with my right.
I'm lefty too😭
2:15 -- You can utilize angle snapping. With the right angle snapping values, it never gets in the way of diagonal movements for me, but helps immensely to flick and turn at speed. It locks your rotation axis horizontally or vertically when you're above a set velocity/speed. I use it in RawAccel which is a mouse acceleration driver that offers two other even lesser known, but incredibly useful features: sensor rotation and angle snapping.
@@merrickx ah interesting, I haven't played on a tablet in a while but have considered using it again. I am familiar with raw Accel Ive used it a fair bit in the past on a mouse
@@merrickx if I do play on tablet again I'll try this out for sure, thanks dude
@@NineLives9 It's good for mouse too. If you do use it you can find the setting in the settings.json file in the RawAccel folder.
I don't get it
@bocadog3 you'll have to look up angle snapping before trying to understand the comments on it
Ive been playing like this for like 9+ months now (Gaomon s620) and I godda say I love the precision you can get, but yeah, turning around can take some getting used to. I also use tab to aim in, and depending on the game I'm playing, I use toggle aim (only on games where you need to aim in for longer periods of time; otherwise, I use the normal way), but I've also struggled to get it to work with games like Valorant because of their anti-cheats (it's the only one I've found so far, but I'm sure there are more). I really hope this becomes more of a standard so I can say I did it before it was popular lol. (In all seriousness I think this playstyle has some real potential we just need somone to go pro with it or something and really show people what it can do).
Solution to your problem with the pen slipping around in your hand. When I used to play Osu I poped the side buttons out of the pen. This leave a nice slot you can put you thumb on. Also guarantees that you grip is the same everytime you hold the pen.
ye dude i had the same experience when playing osu! years ago. its so fuckin op for aiming esp on a 2d plane but its rough having no mouse buttons and needing to swap to both mouse-like cursor movement and higher sens def hurts tablet a bit
there are actually top mouse osu! players too though so i wouldnt be surprised if theyre relatively close to equal
id bet theres an advantage in certain situations though
Yeah I've never even played OSU or used a tablet at all and I can already feel how good it can be for certain things when aiming, it's also just really fun and smooth to play with, I enjoy it quite a bit
i wouldnt be surprised to see tons of tablet rank 1 scores in aim trainers years from now @@NineLives9
very cool idea. id love to try it.
Glad i found another person who plays with pen! But jokes aside, this playstyle has potential. Kariyu proved its doable, now we need more people to try it out. I personally tried it for fun, then i permanently switched. My aim got a lot better with it but yeah turning around is a nightmare. I personally use raw accel to counter this, but i feel like i should lower my sens and buy a bigger tablet ngl.
Me and my mate were actually talking about using raw Accel to counter that issue too, but haven't tried it yet. Yeah pen is fun though for sure, I was recently attempting to get a top score on kovaaks with the pen, I got #130ish on a target switch task, I'll get atleast top 100 and make a little vid about it, I think the pen is genuinely better for certain scenarios
Tbh I think raw accel makes tablet a lot more usable, you get the high precision of a low sens while being able to turn around quickly. I think the biggest cons of tablet are definitely the limited size, polling rate and mouse buttons. Price is also a big issue tbh. (You paid $500 for your tablet which is just too much, and you actually could've gotten one of those larger wacom pro tablets for the same price) It would be really interesting to see a "gaming drawing tablet" which has these issues fixed in some way. I'll make sure to check out the vid once it comes out, as you said pen is good for tracking, but I feel like it can be good for everything with enough practice.
One thing I haven't heard any pen/tablet RUclipsr talk about is gamepads. I use a Razer Tartarus v2 sometimes instead of a keyboard for gaming and it has a scroll wheel built in. I think this would go really well with pen gaming cuz you can now scroll with the left hand or have a joystick and bind wasd to other functions and it's only like $50.
Yeah true, I'll actually have a look at that. Could be quite good, cheers
Gamepad is pretty neat, you can essentially map all of your movement to the left thumb, and the rest of your fingers have access to whatever hot keys you like
I'd recommend the xp-pen line of products, they're a lot more affordable for about the same quality (though there's a lot of subjectivity to whether your pen or tablet feels right to you)
if the tip of the pen could be pressed in like a button and assign lmb to it. and rmb at the thumb
Dude, that's crazy. Your aim on a pen looks like a super hard aim bot(or ai aim bot looks similar as well). I bought myself a one and I hope I don't get banned.
what is the background loft song you keep using in your vid?
Kudasai - technicolor
I really like my wacom one if it had more buttons itd be my go to for shooting games
Tattoo artist fix the grip of their machines with tons of griptape to make it more grippy and thicker so its easier to hold with less fatigue for the hand :)
Oh true, I considered taping the pen a bit in spots to help with that, might give it ago, see how it feels
Honestly I can’t see this taking off, long play sessions and muscle memory is gonna be a bitch
i have a Artist 15.6 Pro, im curious what you think it'd be like to aim and shoot with the same screen im using for the game. It's a screen drawing tablet.
Yeah I had wondered what that would be like,I think would be very strange cause hand would block your vision most the time when aiming
Yea that'd be a big drawback. but your eyes would always be on your cursor to help with aiming more i think. Maybe with some games it could work, probably not warzone or anything like that.@@NineLives9
it's insane to me that you somehow managed to spend 500 bucks on a medium sized drawing tablet, not even a cintique (monitor u can draw on), i remember my first drawing tablet for digital art was also a wacom and it was rather small but it was only 80 euros and not too much smaller than yours. i'd have imagined the prices would've only gone down but oh well. a gaming version would obviously be a lot cheaper as it wouldn't need any preassure sensitivity or hotkey buttons.
certainly not cheap, yeah a gaming version could definitely just be simpler and bigger as long as it has good response thats all that really matters
@@NineLives9 i'm still baffled at how much that small tablet was tho. i now have two cintiques, both much larger than your normal tablet and they were cheaper as well. so i essentially got a larger tablet, where i can actually draw onto the monitor with more hotkeys and for less money...
@@Cqat1 HUION Inspiroy Dial 2 perhaps. Use the dials for scrolling and turning. Affordable too.
I've played like this in Diabotical since beginning of 2024... Aim-wise, after a week I had caught up with 20 years of aiming with a mouse. 9.1428cm/360 quickly became the sweetspot for me. Opposed to other pen players I don't think using the pen like a drawing tool (low sens + arm movement) is the right way. I'm using it at higher send like when I write words and letters. It's all in the fingers, and some wrist for repositioning.
I found that the only tablet that worked for me was the Wacom Intuos Pro since the cheaper ones had inconsistencies with hover distance or too high latency... Both made them useless for gaming. So there's imo only the pth-660 and 860 that is useful for playing fps games. Not the one used in this review. I also don't recommend shooting with touching surface. Use the keyboard for that instead. Zooming by touching surface however can work well.
Best thing aiming with a pen is that even after 6 months break it just feels natural... You don't have to play regularly like with mouse aim. I agree that tracking aim is where it excels
yeah thats sick man, yeah i made a few other vids on this topic where i switched from touching the tablet to shoot and just used a key to shoot instead, felt a lot better, i also stopped touching the tablet altogether and just hovered the mouse while aiming, felt super quick and kind of satisfying, unfortunately all current FPS games are not interesting me much so im kind of holding out for something i like before i try this out again
@@NineLives9 just out of curiosity. What cm/360 did you settle on with the pen?
what was the game that you were playing first? (bevore battlebits)
@@QuitsGosling644 robo quest
Tyvm
Edit: it looks like a good and non preasure way to practice aim.
What game were you playing in the background ?
roboquest, great game
Omggg maybe I won’t sell my Wacom after all
500 Aud for a drawing tablet are you kidding me 🤦♂you can get a graphic tablet for that amount I have an xp-pen deco v1 bought it in 2019 for around 132 AUD still works dimension 10"(25cm) x 6.25"(15.8cm)
yeah i think wacom is particularly expensive, i still want to get a much bigger one, was recently looking at some cheaper much larger tablets, still havent had the proper experience of aiming freely on a tablet due to lack of space
so is it better? yes / no? xP
For somethings yeah, for others not yet. I made a second video where I went for top 100 kovaaks score on the pen, and went into more detail about it
game name pls
@@floriangerber8136 robo quest
What game is this?
Roboquest