I absolutely do not recommend: Suicide Squad - Kill the Justice League (Review)
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Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is the latest in a string of half-baked, ill-concieved live-service looter shooters that utterly waste the talents of a studio that could have made a better game.
00:00 Intro
04:49 Story
09:35 SPOILERS
13:56 Story
14:46 World Design
18:56 Campaign & Side-Mission Design
23:05 End-game
28:11 Combat, Itemisation & Progression
38:42 Live service
41:46 Conclusion
Review key provided by Warner Bros.
Video written and voiced by Ralph P.
Edited by Austin B.
#Review #SuicideSquad #KillTheJusticeLeague
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it has all the originality of killing comic book heroes en masse, quippy humor and multiverse shenanigans.
as in none at all.
This game is an insult to Kevin Conroy/Batman and the decades of work the man put into that role! This game just took a massive dump on the Batman Arkham games! Total disgrace!
R.I.P Kevin Conroy
you are completly wrong no one has said its lazy or un ambitious. the game is a terrible story that what people are talking aboout . it feminist to the max it is one of the most racist games ive ever seen. its terrible and the things you said to start the video are you r opinon but they are competyly wrong. the story and even the gameplay and even how it looks is terrrible. go look at how harley looks in the arkham games then get back to me about presentation. dude she looks awful. and you think this is good presentation? dead shot is race swapped dude. this is one of the most racist and blatent disrepespectful games ive ever seen . you need to really read the room no one has said this was lazy or phoned in no one has said that you just litrerally made it up
You know this is a pointless bias review when the reviewer doesn't understand who the intended audience this game is marketed for nor does he read the details of what the game is. The games website site specifically detail it's a third person action shooter. No point of bringing that Rocksteady has been a notoriously a game studio that works on action combat story driven games. This game isn't a combat 3rd person game. It's a third person action shooter. Totally bi-polar opposite of what they are.
@@javierlandaverde4108the intended audience is a handful of hamsterwheel addicts that are already hooked on other games.
go hide behind subjectivity somewhere else.
It's okay guys. We can wait another 8 years for Rocksteady to try again.
I'm out 😆
I’ll be surprised if they’ll still be around in 8 months…
No thanks its not the same and if sweet baby inc is involved during the development process again, itll just be another waste of time.
How do you think this works? They just get another chance? Clowns these days rip into a studio so hard they close down then act like they have no idea why anyone would close said studio down and cry and wish it was still around
The people who made the Arkham trilogy all left the company
So I wouldn’t mind if Rocksteady burns to the ground
see you in 6 months when WB reports that: "due to changing market conditions we have been forced to take the regretful decision of downsizing Rocksteady and will have to layoff 50% of the studio"
6 months ? More like 3 weeks
pleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrong...
Sad but true!😢
You forgot them cancelling support for the game and delisting it.
WB should be downsizing, not rocksteady. I put the blame squarely on WB for pushing it and expecting it to work.
Suicide Squad is the type of game you see on sale for 9.99$ after a bunch of updates and still have to think about buying.
At this point just wait for it to go free on ps plus or Xbox live
Not really tho.. Since there are actual good games out there on the market... I won't be spending 9.99$ for a bad game with a cash shop and battlepass.. I would not play it if it was free.
Nothing to think about, wouldnt play it for free
wont be playing this even if they pay me to
Its could be free and I wouldnt play it.
So many things are popping up on the gameplay screen I half expect to see a “Congrats, you won a free iPad!” ad
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can choose to turn ecah thing off in the settings
@@FeganFloopThat just tells me the UI designers knew at the end of the day that's it's a mess, and had little time to change it.
It's a lil' nice though, gotta admit.
@dagda1180 I mean unless they got positive and negative reception during play testing and decided to add the option to change it if you want
You know what's funny? Digital Foundry's John L praised the environment for trying to do something different and making it work from a technical aspect which is amazing for what the city design looks like compared to other open world games, while Skill Up criticized the city for being not interesting. Its funny.
I just can't get over Captain Boomerang blasting goons with a shotgun. Like come on the man has exactly one character trait
Imagine they met him throw boomerang based on gun type like assassin creed origin
Should have called him Captain Australia.
He should've been throwing rhe actual shotgun like it's a boomerang
All the good live service games like Deep Rock or Warhammer4k: Darktide have 4 unique classes that are not interchangeable on the ability or weapon level. Each class is genuinely unique. Darktide has the Ogryn class, who is tall and tanky but slow. The Psyker class plays nothing like him, which is a ranger magic class. The devs at Rocksteady seriously lack creativity.
@@wahahabuh or he could shoot tiny little boomerang bullets? 🤔
The fact the preorder ultimate edition skins are only starter versions of skins you have to pay more money for is genuinely disgusting
The whole thing is gross. Clearly loot boxes were definitely going to be a thing until the outrage of that hit. The whole game just screams monetization regardless of how much they may have pulled back.
Defund rocksteady
yup its egregious, predatory, unethical and amoral yet they want to tout their "diversity and inclusion" by performative pride icons and logos in the game world, really shows the emotional manipulation tactics on display
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
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Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
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shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
If they could charge to reload your weapon, they would. We are dealing with some of the greediest people in history and I understand the need for companies to make money but when it becomes all about the money then the gamers suffer.
Wait WHAT? you only get the starter skins? You don't get a voucher to own all the skins?? Haibo brother. That's messed up 😢
Ready Player One comes to mind where in the movie, the guys says. "We can take up 80% of the visual field before inducing seizures"...or something like that. That UI is horrendous
It takes a special kind of awful to make Ready Player One a positive example of anything. Edit: by positive, I meant effective.
@@CityofButterflyHey, the books were far better than the movie…
I said exactly this a couple weeks ago.
@@bobthebuilder9509 nah, they are kinda a nostalgia mast****tion. If you didn't enjoy the things the author liked, the books aren't that fun to read.
Every time a new "live service" game is released, I remember why I don't play live service games anymore.
I agree and I haven't even played a single one.
The only live service game I can recommend is Helldivers II
It's so fucking good it isn't even funny. Give it a try :)
Helldiver's 2?
@@woolife171 @yolsil775 I don't know how what I said in my comment could possibly be construed as a request for Live Service recommendations...
@@woolife171 I wasn't asking for recommendations.
Maybe it's because I'm getting old but watching that gameplay footage was just exhausting. How can people look at this visual mess and not feel disoriented after a minute or so? 😵💫
That's been gaming for me for at least a year now lol
It’s both getting older and the industry aiming to appease those who grew up with smart devices and apps/games that have constant visual clutter.
It’s all about that dopamine hit brother. Gotta see dem big numbers and gotta get all that colorful loot. Everyone wants to be Fortnite.
The art style has the cohesion of a Live Service game 2 years into it's "cycle" it looks like Fortnite..
I just turned off the numbers and it's fine
I really wish that every game has to be a live service era would just end. It really sucks seeing more and more single player developers make projects that are designed around the opposite of what they’re used to making.
It has. Sony majorly backtracked on their live service plans. More and more non live service games are blowing up.
@@NoName...... Sony realising that going full live service is not going to work.
pretty sure it already ended, the live service games that survived are already settled.
this game just got delayed too much.
Fr, it's such a gamble, sure you have a mega slim chance of getting a lightning in a bottle moment like fortnite or call of duty but a way higher chance of fizzling out and getting taken offline
I think that's a Metal Arms avatar? One of my favorite games.
Im 23 years old and feel like I'm too old to deal with all of the effects, numbers, pop-ups etc. in gameplay
그럴때 justice League of legends를 해봐
I’m 31 years old, and I feel the same mate. I’ve been through this same exact bullshit loop for far too long.
I'm 15 and I feel the same lmao
There are moments where 70% of the screen is filled with effects. I doubt anyone can enjoy not seeing the game they play
I'm 3 and I feel the same lmao
The good: The cut scenes look pretty most of the time.
The bad: everything else.
Warner Bros: "Fine! What's 9 more years? I can always start again, make another live service cash grab."
I See what you did there
"Think, gamedevs, think!"
"What´s 10 more years? We can always start again, find another gamedev company."
ROFL! Oh my goodness!
Can they do it with no money?
Because that's what they are aiming for!😡
@@Herowebcomics bro its WB, they are always whoring themselves out to companies for money
It feels like they made Deadshot's kit first, and then went "Bah it's too hard to make 3 more unique ones based around their actual powers. Let's make them all use guns"
Its because its Loot, won't make sense finding green, blue, legendary "shark fins" or Boomerangs so they just gave em all loot guns to find. dumb.
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ if you watch anything that has to do with suicide squad you’ll see they use guns , even the live action movies they all have guns it’s this something you guys blindly do not see 😂😂😂😂 it’s mind boggling how you guys think that suicide squad don’t have guns
@@EchoDoctrine Lots of people don't realize this. It's like in borderlands, you have your different characters who have different skills and archetypes but they all use guns overall because that's the shared loot system
bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
-----
all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
-----
most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
------
Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
-----
shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@EchoDoctrine City of Heroes did it just fine.
"Kill your darlings" doesn't mean to kill beloved characters. I used to assume that to. Kill your darlings is a term in writing that refers to the concept that a writer must be willing to delete scenes or entire portions of a script or novel that don't serve the story. Greatly written scenes even should be cut out if they don't improve the narrative. That's what it means. Doesn't really apply here
*Goodly written
Well. I mean they should have killed their "darlings" in they should have deleted the entire script and started from scratch, so in that way it does apply. :)
@@TheBlueGoldenHawkThe scenes in question can be of any quality. The point is if these scenes don't serve a purpose then don't get attached to them. Keep the story rolling by not wasting the audience's time on whatever garbage or fluff you feel drawn to focus on when your efforts could instead be spent improving your product as a whole; ie. _kill your darlings._
In the case of this SS:KtJL... The company's attention was clearly sucked into the cosmetics, season planning and other marketability tactics rather than cleaning up the UI, making the battles more involved/missions more interesting or, well, anything else their audience might actually _want_ out of a game like this...
The game was the darling all along
It can also mean to not have a fear of killing off a character if it serves the story too. Coming up with contrived ways to keep someone alive because you as a creator like them is only a detriment to your storytelling. But that too doesn’t really fit the use of the phrase here. Just because the Justice League is a beloved group does not mean that they can’t or shouldn’t be killed. Your goal should be to tell a story. If the end goal of that story is to “kill the justice league” your plot needs to service that goal and be impactful.
As a lifelong, DC superhero fan it really makes me sad that this game is going down the road that it is. I don’t understand the obsession with making bad guys good and good guys bad. I think people would fall head over heels for a well-made superman game, where he’s actually the good guy for the first time in a decade.
I mean Arkham Harley lecturing Batman on moralty? Arham Harley is a very evil version of teh character, she killed kids canonically, helped Joker torture Jason, and killed thousands for fun.
The writers brushed all of this off like nothing.
It's only a demo really, but highly recommend you check out Undefeated. Very cool proof-of-concept. I also really like how your "health" is the city since you're sposed to be...Well, basically Superman
@@wesleysnipes7492 I'm gonna check it out asap. Thanks.
I want to know who in the hell directed a studio renowned for their visceral, crunchy, satisfying melee combat to make a looter shooter. That person has got to be on drugs.
Sounds just like Bioware when they released Anthem.
They just saw Prototype and Fortnite and said "let's combine them".
You can say the same thing about CDPR with Cyberpunk or Blizzard with Overwatch. Devs sometimes want to make new type of games.
@@Tallborn5except, Cyberpunk is not live service bs
@@tartatovskylive service part was probably the publisher. I will say it sort of became obvious that the devs wanted to try something different they added a M61 vulcan gun to their stealth/action game.
Forcing SUPERvillains to rely on guns...against bulletproof characters seems so bizarre
Would it help if they actually use anti metahuman tech to take down each Hero?
@@Vonboon11dyOther people have suggested using other villians to take down the league like: Bizzaro for Superman, Reverse Flash for the Flash, Sinestro for Green lantern or have Wonder Woman Play play some kind of part in each boss fight. Then Suicide Squad is there support type stuff during the fight.
@@fullmetalvash then this wouldn’t be a suicide squad game 😂
@@superQman600 if you write it right, it absolutely would still be a Suicide Squad game.
How hard does superman have to try to lose against this line up of character? How hard is Flash holding back that he can't just run in a straight line and pull Harley's head off. Like this lineup to fight the justice league just makes no sense. Also how can you make a "justice league" and not have Aquaman and Martian Manhunter? Like every single decision is terrible, it's actually kind of impressive.
Yeah flash literally kill Lex in less than 1 frame absolutely clean but then start to play around with the team
It’s JRPG levels of “character in the cutscene” vs “character when I play” power levels
yeah I get it, if its the real Justice league they won't kill the squad because of moral grounds but these are braniac converted so why they holding up ?
Nah nah nah, you forget, silly! This is a live service, they'll sell you the Martian Manhunter and Aquaman campaigns for half the price of the full release a few more months apart after release. Truly, amazing game design 😂😂😂
Ugh, live services, amirite?
Maybe Shark would have a chance, since his powers are magic-based and magic is a weakness of Superman.
That scene where the flash has a brief moment of clarity with wonder woman was actually impactful, why the hell didn’t they do one for every hero? It’s just so strange that only Barry got to have one, you would think batman, THE batman that rocksteady made would have that honor.
They had the perfect set up for it with Harley. She could have said how much it sucked that he wasn't the real batman. And even say something to the effect, is the real batman still in there somewhere because she knows all her words are wasted on the corrupted version. And she can end him with respect and remark on how she is saving the real bats. Or have the real batman come through and ask her to. Something anything is better than what we got.
This game is not gonna last 13 Seasons what is Rocksteady really thinking…
It's funny enough they assume our interests is going to be maintained for that long
Warner Bros put a bullet through Rocksteady's head forcing them to make this live service game.
@@juniormphahlele9053man this is gonna backfire so hard.
They were thinking, nah, that takes too much energy.
Right? The game only has 10k players on Steam at this very moment. This game is quite literally dead on arrival.
It baffles me how WB has access to the Nemesis system and Rocksteady and they cannot make a good game.
Cause old devs are gone, these are just diversity hire hacks
Well, it’s been rumours about Wonder Woman game with Nemesis system. But after Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad I doubt a good game will be released
What are you baffled about? They are supposedly using it to make Wonder Woman.
@@VGFightSchool It being announced at the time this game released means it'll be the same team. "From the makers who made Suicide squad"
@@TheUltimateHacker007no, the wonder woman game is from the studio that made Shadow of Mordor, not Rocksteady
Having the fn Sharkman whatever his name is jumping around Metropolis with a superman suit on, in a live service looter shooter, instead of having a full triple A Superman single player game breaks my heart…
Same
the visual clutter is hurting my brain holy moly
The UI clutter on the screen looks like those "if elden ring was made by ubisoft" parody Photoshops people were making
Seriously! I don't care about all the crybabies who are wetty-upsetty that Batman gets killed and stuff, I'm just shocked no one is talking more about all the VISUAL GARBAGE on the screen at seemingly all times. Really looks like it'd be a dealbreaker for me if there's no way to minimize it. It makes Borderlands look subtle and grounded by comparison.
@@PlusOneMacieyou can literally customize the size and placement of all hud elements so not sure what your complaint is about
@@lotus2001 dude such a minute detail that no one would know without touching the game, acting as if that's common knowledge lol
fr. The only thing you need is that bottom left part and the minimap is fine I guess
@@lotus2001 That doesn't make the complaint any less valid. Rocksteady designed this to be the default. That means actual hours and effort went into it, and if you buy this game, you are paying for this UI.
Even if you didn't buy the game, you can still complain about it. Just because something is optional, that doesn't excuse it from criticism.
Suicide squad; kill the resume of a once great studio
Their claim to fame is making one good game four times
They made 3 games, and each one was innovative compared to the last.@@kylerclarke2689
@@kylerclarke2689 I would have taken that one good game a 5th time in a heart beat over this trash.
blame sweet baby, woke company that had hand in this train wreck, why Spiderman 2 and God of war 2 had woke themes
That's actually the new name of the studio: Professional suicide squad
What bothers me more is the fact there are still people that defend this game and saying "the hate for this game came from the people that haven't play the game"
Ikr. Companies served them garbages and they kept gobbling it up
And they’re right and I’m sure you bother them as well freak
I don't need to play trash like Ride to Hell: Retribution, Fallout 76, Anthem, Avengers, etc. to criticize it. It's a full priced game (least it was at one point), there's no demo available, it requires my money to try it, which I may regret spending, and it looks like shit. Yea no, take your gaslighting moral grandstanding BS and shove it.
@@giversinner971 It's not exactly gaslighting but you still have eyes and can tell what's wrong with a game if they use them. Heck, the story, graphics, musics and dialogue don't even need playing to be judged, you simply look at cutscenes and that's it.
I mean, it's kinda fair, I haven't played it and never will, but I can look at a trash fire and say "Wow that trash is on fire," all the same.
Am I the only one who can’t understand a thing that is happening on screen? Such a clusterfuck of particles and things on screen and UI
I can’t watch the gameplay too long because it honestly hurts my eyes. Far too much going on with so much random colours
I go to raves often. The fact that this game is more seizure-inducing than a goddamn laser-filled RAVE is a serious problem.
In the UK the full version of this game costs £100 😳 and yet there is a shop in game for buying cosmetics…the greed of these people really knows no bounds anymore.
Blame stupid players who buy this shit and defend devs for this
People keep buying it though
@@quoththekraven5911 yes 🤷♂️ it’s currently no.3 in the digital chart, not sure about physical sales…I don’t think it’s sold in the kind of numbers they were hoping for, but it’s certainly not a flop. The thing I find more disturbing is the number of people online who have convinced themselves that this is a good product which offers value for money. I know value is subjective but if people keep accepting this poor level of quality in games (not to mention the totally unnecessary micro transactions) then things are only going to get worse.
Not really, only has 12k players on steam, those are abysmal numbers for a tripple A story game @@quoththekraven5911
the full game does not cost £100
The saddest part is you can see dim flickers of Rocksteady's genius buried beneath all of the bad/poor decisions made. Rest in Peace Rocksteady, we’ll remember you for the Arkham trilogy, mostly.
The saddest part are these smarty, ingratiating, and ignorant comments.
Leave the multi million dollar company alone lookin ass@mrwakacorp
Yeah, like say the few good bits of how Batman was handled. Seeing him just glaring at you from afar before vanishing is genuinely fantastic. The only thing that could make it better is if he'd say something eerie over the radio to signify he's watching you then you'd be stuck desperately trying find him.
@@mrwakacorp
Like yours?
@@asain3586 No. Like the one above. You know the one I replied to with my statement. You're a bit challenged aren't you honey?
I basically prayed that this wouldn't be the last thing Kevin Conroy worked on before he died. But according to so many others online, there are other projects that will feature him. So there is some solace that *this* game won't be his final curtain call.
Yea but it’s the last game he’ll ever do and that sucks 😔
Not many people would put this much effort into a 44 minute video to explain why they don't like a game. I appreciate you, Skill Up.
Never seen "absolutely do not" in a review title before.. This is exciting
he's used it a good few times
@@itol2201 He's only used it once and that was with Jedi Survivor
@reuben8648 Jedi was he cannot recommend it because its launch performance was shit, less the quality of the game compared to this.
Jedi survivor he used it.
Redfall was called an absolute catastrophe.
Biomutant was a "definitely do not".
Gollum was "worse than the lowest expectations".
My takeaway is that Skillup just likes mixing things up with the titles.
@@pugpolice4323 Cool but the only other time he uses the video title "I absolutely cannot" is Jedi Survivor...
This commentary slightly misunderstood the Batman backlash. It’s not that Batman is a sacred cow or even about the Kevin Conroy passing. It’s the perfect storm of this being “Arkham Batman”, Kevin passing, him getting killed by a character whom he literally swatted away in previous titles, the way this game absolutely destroys the ending and canon of the Arkham series. There’s just so much more I could write here but I think everyone gets the point. This is honestly one of the most depressing gaming experiences I’ve personally ever had
They gave us an amazing ending with Nightfall… and brought him back just to give him a worse and final ending.
Too many fans treat these "heroes" like father figures.
I will add, it kind of messes up Harley's character.
So the argument for Batman (and by association Harley) is that people shouldn't be killed because everyone should have a chance at redemption and healing. Bruce is admittingly bad at the end goal administration, but that aside. Harley is in some ways the personification of that belief. She is the young person molded and warped by a literal monster into this crazed broken murderess. In some canons, Bruce has coaxed a good person out of her.
Essentially having her kill a mind controlled Batman is her spitting on that idea completely. This Harley just tacitly agreed with Injustice Superman's argument in Injustice 2 when Kara calls out diana trying to kill Harley. That she is damaged, her mind is poisoned, and for the good of everyone, she should be dead.
That's a problem.
The story feels like it was written by lead writers that don’t like the superhero genre and just kinda skimmed some wiki pages and quick recaps.
Totally.
And they ignored canon when it was incenvenient.
Harley is a horrbile character in the Arkham verse (maybe is the most evil Harley have ever been in any media). She killed kids in the Arkhamverse, tortured Jason for years, alongside teh Joker, and killed thousnds for fun. T_T
Nothing gives me more joy than seeing these live service games continue to release, fail and be forgotten.
The live service model and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
it's all Destiny 1's fault e.e
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz Nah this all stems from one thing, paid horse armor. That's the catalyst to all the scummy practices like this bullshit
Aka capitalism. Seeking the absolute maximum profit at all times at the expense of everything else.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz I remember how bright-eyed and optimistic the original Destiny 1 promo material was. Wonder if any Destiny devs have ever thought about what they've wrought on the gaming industry lol
Destiny and it's consequenses
My take on another comment is that the script feels like it was written for the Squad to be facing an "Injustice" style assortment of truly evil heroes. Not a group of previously good, mind controlled heroes.
It seems like Rocksteady wanted to have their cake and eat it too. With the edginess of killing the good JL heroes we know and love, while having them be plainly evil enough to root for the Squad against them, minimizing any chance the player might feel bad for having to kill them.
I think you're spot-on with this. To me, it also feels like the game has an identity crisis when it comes to the tone.
All the bad comic book writing tropes in one package. Such garbage. Hope the animators and 3d modellers find a better studio to work for, because their talented is wasted on incompetent CEO's and writers.
I 2 months we will already see headlines "wb games fires 50% of rocksteady staff." get out while you can for greener pastures.
Having this take place in the Injustice universe would’ve been actually interesting, and a much better choice.
Would've worked much better if Braniac had developed a dimensional key and swapped the JLA with the Crime Syndicate. Those guys are evil.
Personally, my speculation is that if you look at when this game was greenlit, it was at a very specific time: a time when WB was hyping up the Suicide Squad and the Justice League as rival teams, when the DCEU, though clearly troubled, was still making motions towards a grand plan, and when Destiny was at the height of its prowess. Nowadays, there isn't a Suicide Squad or Justice League comic on the stands, the DCEU is completely dead and buried (and they'll be very lucky if superhero films as a whole survive the next five years), and live service is one of the most hated terms in the industry. Under those circumstances, a game like this feels tone-deaf: less like a celebration, more a mercenary piss on the grave.
Rocksteady should have been the ones to make Gotham Knights. A co-op game where we play as members of the Bat Family post Arkham Knight would have been a guaranteed success and a great continuation to the Arkhamverse.
Boomerang respects flash. The idea he would piss on him is far beyond anything boomerang or any of the rogues would do.
They're not all the same. Even the comics have different versions.
Yes, because the writers don't like the source material, and hate the characters they have to work with. Except Harley they love Harley.
the visual clutter here is honestly unbelievable. never got this bad a headache from just looking at gameplay
It's like if a mobile ad was a console video game lmao
It's worse in game. I honestly wondered if I was just 'getting old' but no, glad to see other people have the same complaint.
visual diarrhoea....
Rocksteady saw that Elden Ring meme about what its UI would look like if Ubisoft made it, and took it as a challenge, lol
11:15 - even worse is that she refuses to acknowledge or take accountability for ANY F-ed up stuff she did with Joker. WILLINGLY
A lack of accountability? From the icon of modern day feminism?
Hahahahahahaha
@@Drebolaskan Truth.
I remember how MESSED UP Harley got to be at the end of Arkham City and especially the "Harley Quinn's Revenge" DLC. She had gone seriously dark and I LOVED it. Then, come Arkham Knight and we're back to generic clown chick. Like WTF?!
The most self-aware thing they could do right now would be to tattoo the word "Damaged" on the product.
Deep Rock Galactic came out in early access in 2017 and has more mission and enemy variety than Suicide Squad.
ROCK AND STONE!
@@_JellyWalker TO THE BONE
Although I kind of get what you're saying, they had 6.5 years of post-launch dev to figure things out
@@floop74 I think he's trying to say that at launch it had better variety than Suicide Squad
It’s a game with a fantastically chunky art style that reeks with passion compared to the “AAA” sludge being pumped out
What's crazy is I have zero interest in this game, but I watched the whole review because I enjoy hearing your breakdowns of what's good and what doesn't work and why it doesn't work.
I routinely do the same...SkillUp and ACG get watched regardless of content.
I watched cos he was actually very positive in the preview and I wondered what changed.
There are several reviewers that are very good at breaking down the game design in a way that is easy to understanding and genuinely interesting, SkillUp is one of the best at this. I always watch their stuff (Ralph and Austin are both good at this, so I'm including them both) when I'm curious about game design, even if I'm not interested in the game itself.
From rocksteady to rockbottom
Oh boy, now we get onto my favorite part: The Executive Developer/Publisher "We're sorry the game was not where we wanted to be and we let you down." Letter probably crafted in some part by AI. It's that promise of making the game better and then just sundowning it as fast as possible that really gets me excited!
I waited over a year for Avengers to go on sale for like, 10 bucks and basically come with all cosmetics and characters unlocked for free. There's enough titles out there for me to play and wait for this title to go on a deep, deep sale with the same features for free in a year or two. And if it never does? There's no fomo for a paltry 9 hour campaign. I already think I've seen the highlights of what this game has to offer narrative wise in the tiktoks that have come out for it.
Every time a game built around a battlepass fails, a quality game idea gets its wings
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
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Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
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shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@marcusclark1339 Please touch grass immediately
bruh this has gotta be some trolling or you are severely mentally ill, seek help@@marcusclark1339
@@brasan9 Why? He's not wrong.
@@Grobut81 He might have a point but it falls on deaf ears when you just spam the same thing all over the place. It should never be that serious over a game you don’t like.
"Do missions in your world to do missions in a different world that are exactly the same" Anthem? What're you doing here? I thought my boy had died
Thats the thing, it did die but Rocksteady decided to dig it up, whack some DC wallpaper about the place and release it. I think Rocksteady had pumped so much money into this that it HAD to be released despite knowing it was going to fail. Nine years for this is an absolute tragedy.
Find Jesus Christ. You gave me a jump scare.
Let's all play Anthem again. That'll teach em! 😂
@@ElihuYale88shut up and find a sense of minding your own business
Honestly I'd rather play Anthem.
At least Avengers didn't all play the same. Don't tell me it can't be done
Do we want to talk about the fact that the boss battles are nonsense? How do you kill the flash? With the time thingy? How? Are your reflexes faster then the flash itself? And why doesn't he just crush them at light speed instead of playing with them, just like superman?
Nonsense
Stop asking completely logical questions like. Just play are game. But if u really want to find out. Give us $40 for the season pass.
@@brianlozano3576 looter shooter skill tree baby.. the hate is only from upset fans.. just play play and play.... modern gaming the future of gaming oh yeahh
As gf reviews stated, “Diarrhea Christmas lights” the screen is wayyyyy too busy. My eyes just can’t do it comfortably
I can play flashy games, Cyberpunk has lots of neon, and the combat can go crazy. DOOM games also are extremely intense. Yet watching Suicide Squad gameplay is the first time I almost threw up by a video game. And actually lots of AAA games choose this route of putting crazy amounts of particle effects all over the place and you can't see anything. Forspoken comes to my mind from last year, same ugly stuff. The rest of Suicide Squad looks very average visually for me, except some cut scenes.
Difference is doom is very intentional with its colour use. Green=armor, blue+health, red=ammo
you can read the scene and enemies super fast from a glance.
That's what this game and games like overwatch final to do, because they don't consider the player experince and gameplay when they add more clutter
@ It's all about design and how well it blends together. Good game-designers will make sure it's readable. But Rocksteady's people don't seem cut out to make this kind of thing and it just became a mess. - There's also things like trends, with how you have the points pop up in shooters ever since like "Modern Warfare" (the original) and in recent years all the brightly colored interfaces and having stats and a character posing next to it. - It's like they looked at other games, then threw everything at theirs. - I'm sure Zoomers are perfectly comfortable with it, but I get a headache within a few seconds, and I'm a Metalhead.
To be honest it looks awful in combat, an absolute headache inducing train wreck
@@michaelmonstar4276talking about being metalhead, Metal: Hellsinger is also an amazing, chaotic game that I had absolutely no issue with. Yeah, readability is important, UI design is important (keep it simple, give just enough info and don't bloat the screen with it), and make the world and characters easy to distinguishable (fast paced games definitely benefits from easy to see enemies). Also particle effects in that amount is totally unnecessary and ruins readability. Being flashy, colorful, make everything look like freakin' fireworks won't make the game better or visually more appealing but it'll make it look more crowded and confusing. That and motion blur effect too.
Hearing an Aussie say "Lasso" is life changing.
That was a nuanced thought at the beginning of the video. Rocksteady weren't just phoning this game in; they went in with some good ideas. Unfortunately, those ideas were drowned out by horrible ideas they couldn't just fix like that.
The backlash from the beginning, where it was revealed this was a live-service game, was the first example. They went quiet to try and salvage things, but the problem is that the issue people had was the core of the game. The live-service model couldn't be replaced without having to scrap the whole thing and start over. Then there was the decision to have all the characters use guns instead of abilities and weapons suited to their characters. Again, they would have to rework the game to fix this problem. The one problem people have that they absolutely could've fixed was having this be a follow-up to Arkham Knight. That's the biggest reason people are so mad about Batman's death. This is the same Batman we played as for four games; a complete badass we made. Having Suicide Squad be in its own universe, with its own Batman and Justice League, would've made this less painful.
With making the Justice League evil, what they could've done instead was have the brainwashing convince them that Brainiac is the good guy, and everyone else has been infected by a hate plague of some kind. They're still fundamentally the same characters, but now they're fighting for justice for Brainiac. Sort of how like DCAU Superman was brainwashed into fighting for Darkseid because he was convinced Darkseid raised him. Any evil deeds they do would be motivated by desperation, and we see them starting to break as the brainwashing convinces them they NEED to do these things. And then it could be that they do something so against their morals that the brainwashing starts breaking down, making them less effective.
Also, the point about how Suicide Squad's endgame is terrible, and people saying it's alright considering other games had terrible endgames. It makes me think about all the advances Destiny 1 made through its expansions, until you had a pretty great game by the end, and when Destiny 2 came out they had gotten rid of so much of these changes. Destiny 2 may have been better than Destiny 1 when they both started, but why did we need to spend time waiting for it to get back to the Taken King or Rise of the Machines level of quality? I don't want a better game in 5 years time; I want it on launch.
Flash's villains often kind of respect him, Boomerang would not piss on him.
We talk a lot about "a good idea executed badly" and "a bad idea executed badly", but it seems like this is an example of a bad idea executed by talented people who can't overcome its badness. Or, perhaps more accurately, two decent but incompatible ideas (the story and the gameplay systems) running into each other.
I don't think this even passes for bad idea(s) executed well. It's more like bad idea(s) executed in an extremely mediocre fashion.
most of the original Rocksteady devs left to make a new studio when they were forced to make this a live service piece of shit by WB. It's not Rocksteady anymore. It's more like Shaky Ground.
@@NateTheScotNo, that isn’t true. It was just the two co-founders. Their new studio is pulling folks from across the industry.
@@gavo7911unrelated question but where's your profile pic from?
@@bingusdingus39 It's from the game "VA-11 Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartender Action", based on what I can find on Google her name is Dorothy.
I personally think this story would've been more compelling if it were a Teen Titans/Young Justice game instead of the Suicide Squad. Having to be their sidekicks/the people closest to them and have to take them down could make for great deep emotional storytelling.
Seriously, even in that Batman monologue talking about how Barbara, Tim, and Jason all had to team up. It’s all right there yet pointless in this game
Well they did kind of try that idea with Gotham Knights and that didn't work out too well, this should've been Batman- Save the Justice League. Hear me out Bruce goes into hiding after the events of Arkham Knight and when Brainiac brainwashes the Justice League then the Batman comes back from retirement.
@ardent835 even that would've worked, yeah. Had Kevin and everything.
I wouldn't compare Gotham Knights to the Teen Titans idea though only because in GK bats was dead and they just had to take care of Gotham, whereas with the Titans, they'd just be replacing SS to take down their mentors.
Either way, your idea would've worked just as well. Especially because they already had the lineage of making Bats centric games. A Babel situation would've been the icing.
@banestryfe Well at the end of Gotham Knight you have to fight a resurrected Batman so the sidekicks are basically going against their mentor but yeah I would've taken a Teen Titans or a straight up Justice League game over any of those.
This is why companies never try anything different. They have to play it safe because y’all like the same stories over and over. You quite literally just said “this game would be better if you just played the good guys and took down other good guys”. This is why gaming is boring now..
>squad defeats a brainwashed wonderwoman, obtaining her laso which helps nulify the effects of brainwash, they face batman and after a long hard fight manage to get the laso around him, at which point he gives location of Batcave which has his plans of how to defeat each member of the justice league (from the justice league series), squad goes locates plans and has missions gathering the needed materials and miscellaneous for said plans, fights happen etcetc, idk I feel like my idea I came up with in 30 seconds is better than this story they had years for no?
You see that actually works. Or have it were Batman didn't get infected and helps the squad save the league. Possibly even have a heroic death at the end saving his friends. But what do we know.
To be fair, that also has major issues since Batman's plans to counter the different members of the justice league were all poorly written and are only slightly more believable than just shooting them. Such as shooting the Flash with a vibrating bullet in a hallway working under the assumption he'll vibrate through it and thus get shot, instead of just dodging like he almost always prefers to do... or somehow brainwashing Green Lantern through whispering in his ear at night to get him to let you steal his ring... They're all this stupid, i get what you're going for, and tbf you only spent 30 seconds on the idea, but the writers would still need to think up some half-decent plans since the ones from canon were god awful.
Sad.. this will sink Rocksteady completely. Then again.. Rocksteady really isn't Rocksteady these days.
Rocksteady hasn't been Rocksteady since Arkham City: people forget how disappointing Arkham Knight was. The Deathstroke fight is in a *tank?!* Clearly this is THAT Rocksteady.
Arkham Knight was largely a dissappointment because it was a sequel to two phenomenal games - It's going to look weak by comparison, but Knight was a good game all things considered @@AmanojakuX
It's Sweet Baby Inc. wearing Rocksteady's skin. The actual Rocksteady talent have opened a new studio called Hundred Star Games.
@@MegamanXfan21xx exactly
Sweet Baby Inc are just story consultants, though. Bag on them for cringe writing or whatever, but they have nothing to do with the game design: live-service, no end-game, repetitious activities, etc. -- that's all Rocksteady (or "Rocksteady" if you prefer.)@@MegamanXfan21xx
Its crazy how Rocksteady went from 2015's Batman Arkham Knight to this, feels like 2 different studios
Cause it was. All the people who made the Arkham trilogy left and founder Hundred Star Games
From what I heard, it basically is. I heard everyone who made the arkham games is not with rocksteady anymore.
When the original team of Rocksteady left this game had me concerned when it was first announced and man I even had low expectations I was still disappointed.
It's not really. They left very deep into development.
@@NoName...... They only left recently. They were there when this game was greenlit and they were involved in 99% of its development.
This hurts my eyes.....how do you mess this up? Its like watching a flying casino on meth.
Right, you only need one of those things to have fun, it's enough slices. Corporate greed is one helluva drug though
Because Fortnite is hot with zoomers
@@hgyuuuuhj098Not even Fortnite has this much visual garbage going on.
Why do studios keep trying the fortnight model... they have a captured audience and TRY very hard to keep it fresh.... some srudio could destroy it... aka palworld
how can you see with all that on the screen?!?! i mean i realize you can turn it off but who in their right mind thought that having a christmas tree all over your screen would be a good idea? Crazy how this is from the arkham team. just effing crazy
Most of them are gone. Or at least several key devs
Captain boomerang pissing on Flash's corpse is extra rude considering that he and The other Rogues have a level of respect for the Flash as a hero, they don't like him for sure, but he makes them recognize at every turn that what they're doing is wrong by just bothering to have a chat with them and playing along with their schemes. Flash was one of the only few that didn't just resort to putting them in prison and hoping the justice system rehabilitated the villains, he did take matters into his own hands to make them productive members of society.
Yeah, this is not the comics Suicide Squad Captain Boomerang in the slightest. This is the movie version, and not even the good movie too, he's from the first one.
@@stryke-jn3kv this one's personality is just australian and asshole just those two character traits also dumb forgot about that one
One of my favorite scenes from the Justice League animated series was when the flash sits down and just talks to the trickster eventually convincing him to get back on his meds and seek help. This is character assassination something DC loves to do to the flash now for some reason.
@@iRadinVerse Mad thing is, I'd argue from watching the cutscenes on youtube is that of the five Justice League members featured, arguably the Flash gets the best treatment. He's the only one who gets to snap out of Brainiac's mind control, and manages in a single line to sell just how bad this has gone. Yes, even with the at least attempted pissing on his corpse I still think he comes off the best and yes I know that's mad.
Green Lantern meanwhile gets to be a very on the nose ACAB thin green line parody and it's just really unpleasant to see him depicted in such a fashion.
Batman has been well discussed and is deeply sad given the three games people had to get attached to that version of the character.
Wonder Woman gets talked down to by the fricking Suicide Squad as she gives up the moral highground to them which is pretty yikes.
Superman gets to be a quickly forgotten corpse.
@@iRadinVerse The DC Animated Series is still the gold standard for depicting characters from the source material into other media. With shoutouts to the Batman 2004 show and The Brave And The Bold.
I am baffled they did not follow more of Borderlands homework. Sure, make em all use guns as a base but actually give them a character kit that feels unique.
I agree but the traversal is clearly what they wanted to use to differentiate each character, in terms of movement everyone in borderlands is basically the same
@@marcusss7565when you develop a looter shooter who cares about the movement character abilities and different playstyles based on what character and weapons you use is imperative and a must to get it right if you want a looters shooter to be successful
@@jamescarpenter855 I get you, i personally enjoy games with good traversal so im happy we have a looter that leans into that. I’d love it if destiny or borderlands expanded their traversal
@@marcusss7565 well that's fine but when the shooting in a looters shooter is like it is in this game then the movement doesn't do enough to make a game good
@@marcusss7565 This is why I was pissed when EA screwed the pooch with Anthem. All the suits felt unique with different weapons and traversal capabilities.
Boomerang would never piss on Flash’s corpse as he doesn’t hate him. I know it’s a different universe and a different canon as a result but it seems really dumb to take the most interesting part about Flash and his rogues (their surprising rapport) and make it the standard distain. That said the people who wrote this game seemingly don’t even have any reverence for the previous games in *this* universe let alone the source material.
It would have taken about one day of research to learn the basics about the Rogues, their code, and their relationship with Flash. They're not Gotham villains ffs.
If I'd designed this game, I'd give Captain Boomerang a boomerang moveset based on the other Rogue's tech. Make it clear Flash killed the others, and Capt Boomerang is out for revenge.
God every screencap of this game in gameplay looks like those parodies of installing a bunch of Gmod addons so you have six HUDs and the whole screen is just "noise."
Note to everyone: All the people who worked on the Arkham games left and founded Hundred Star Games while this was in development. Thats why it feels so different.
So it's a similar situation to Three Fields Entertainment or Embark Studios
That’s why “from the studio that made *critically acclaimed game*” means nothing to me anymore.
Not everyone
Yes but they laid the groundwork for this game before they took off
People keep pointing this out, but Rocksteady’s founders didn’t leave until October 2022, near what was supposed to be the end of Suicide Squad’s development. Suicide Squad is every bit the next game by the Arkham team, even if it looks like those devs jumped ship when they realized they were making a dud.
let me guess: the beginning high point lasts a bit over 2 hours, the refund time limit.
The only thing wrong with them killing off Batman is that this is THE SAME Batman from the Arkham games.
Had this been an entirely new version of the character I wouldnt have cared, but they low key tarnished the legacy of Arkham Batman by having this be his end point.
Genuinely sad and a little depressing to think that the same Batman we played as who saved Gotham City in Arkham Knight went on to become mind controlled and forced to break every sacred rule he ever had, including the murdering of innocent people, before being executed on a park bench by Harley Quinn 💀
Good thing we have head cannon, because theres no way I can accept that this is actually the same Batman from the Arkham games.
Considering the founders of Rocksteady left during the development of SS this is fan fiction. Batman’s story ended with AK.
I mean, if they'd killed him with some dignity it probably would have been alright as well, even if it is Arkham Batman. People would've been reposting the clips and been swamped with comments fill to the brim with 😢 and 😭 emojis all telling their stories about how cool the scene was and what their first experiences with the Arkham games were and stuff. Have you ever seen the clip of Sam Fisher vaguely acknowledging the death of Snake? It's super short, but there's respect for the Metal Gear franchise in it and the fans in the comments all love and cherish that. We could have had that here, overall quality of the game be damned, but instead we got a whole load of nothing that, for many, borders on disrespect.
@@conspiracypanda1200 I think a more dignified ending would be if the end cutscene shows the Squad working together to slowly wear him down, but he fends them off long enough to grab Harley's pistol, point it at her... and the fact he was about to shoot someone like the mugger did breaks through the brainwashing. Not enough to truly be free, but enough that he can control himself. He hands the gun over to Harley and tells her to do it before he kills anyone else. She takes the shot, and at flash we are shown a still image of young Bruce walking alongside his parents, Bruce now reunited with them in death.
Honestly, saying this was a different universe would've been so much easier for them. No need to explain that the Deadshot from Arkham was a faker; no need to try and figure out how Batman went from Knightfall Protocol to a member of the Justice League; No need to explain how Poison Ivy or Joker came back.
And it's not like they'd need to explain anything about most of the important characters this way either. At this point, the people most interested in this game know who the Justice League are. They know Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Deadshot, Harley, and Amanda Waller. I really don't know why they didn't just set this in it's own universe.
Should add an addendum that nearly ALL of the original talent in Rocksteady has been gone, and that basic consumerism of seeing a household name like Rocksteady doesnt guarantee quality.
I REALLY want to know what they did with that one year delay.
Weapons had a gear score. They mentioned they removed that feature in their discord
I think they basically used that time to finish the first year of seasons, I’m assuming they saw a lot of backlash coming so they can use that time now to try and fix where they went wrong rather than be falling behind in making seasonal content
uhhhhhhhhhhhh bug fixing lmao
Remastering how Batman die
Probably just sat, staring at their monitors, utterly dejected and depressed.
Man, the disconnect between the decision makers in entertainment and the consumers has NEVER been this large before, which is ironic because we live in a world where communication has never been easier. How much money do these big studios need to lose in order for them to bridge that gap and finally start making things that people actually want to spend time with?
When the WEF gets overthrown and when ESG scores and diversity-forcing companies like Blackrock, Vanguard and Sweet Baby Inc go bankrupt
But what if these decision makers are not the kind of people that can genuinely see past themselves and their bank accounts? We are talking about analytical minds who deem themselves creative geniuses. Quick-witted, but unwise people. It is time to recognize the tell-tale signs of bad management.
it shockingly has a very positive rating on steam 🤢🤢
@whodatninja439 many people are saying they're deleting reviews
Yeah
Movies, series, video games, events
Pretty much any media form is garbage at the moment
Am I crazy in wondering why the hell anyone even thought we would want this in 2024? Like, from it's narrative down to the gameplay, this game feels so stuck in the 2010s. (Most likely due to the decade long dev cycle.) I'm so over an evil Justice League. Injustice came out in fucking 2013, and the idea wasn't even super interesting then. We could've gotten a genuine JL game that shows why they're such a good team. Instead we got the Division a decade after people stopped caring about the Division, with the most uninteresting interpretation of some of my favorite heroes Ive ever seen. And on top of that they've completely killed any chance at fleshing out the wider Arkham univers
I used to work in a game company years ago and gave the idea to "gift a skin" to improve increase player base, "no no we can't give money to users"
Which is crazy, because "give players free premium currency" is actually a legitimate tactic to get people to spend money. Once they get used to spending the premium currency, it's easier to justify buying some more.
There's real data to this, but anecdotally, many friends of mine played league of legends for years without spending a dime until they introduced the free skins system. Once they had some skins, they were happy to spend money to get more.
Gacha games do this all the time. That's part of how the popular ones keep retention or even push you to explore new stuff. So yeah, that was a stupid idea.
@@LoliconSamalikyet if they aren’t popular which I’m guessing op’s game wasn’t, then giving away some stuff is EXACTLY how you get some fresh players in TO MAKE IT POPULAR. Seems like not giving some things away was “stupid” in this case
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
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Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
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shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products.
the way this is designed makes me wonder if this started out as a battle royale. like rooftop only battles, the way the map looks, the uniformity of the guns across characters. like imagine 50 random dc villains/antihero skins running around this arena
I absolutely recommend: This review by Skill Up.
Ladies and Gentleman this is why we watch SKill Up. This may have been one of the most incohesive video games put out in the past decade, but Skill Up still gave it all of his attention, and produced a beautifull worded, detailed, critical review. Thinking about how the level-design was thrown out the window because of everything is a rooftop, how the personalities of the heroes were overlooked, how class-A villains were brought back only to be reduced to vendor NPCS is the type of nuance we need to see more on reviews, and Skill Up 100% delivered it.
Great review as always! Just wanted to point out that the « starter versions » of those store outfits comes from pre ordering any version of the game. The pack is not part of the deluxe edition, the Justice League themed outfits are! Those are also not available in the store as of now.
There is no way you can make me believe this is the same studio that made the Batman Vs Freeze fight…
Its not
The original crew alread left a long time ago
That's cause it's not, old devs are gone, now it's mostly diversity hire hacks there
Which Batman is that, I just bought the trilogy and haven't jumped in yet
@@kayjay3257Arkham City. Have fun!
the funniest idea about shooting superman with kryptonite bullets is the copious amount they'd need for any character with a minigun equipped
Technically they'd only need 1, but superman would also be much faster than bullets especially if he knew they intended on killing him with said bullets. But hey, gameisms or whatever
actually kryptonite bullets was a good idea and he can be killed like that my only concern is they killed of the whole JL wtf?? the JL is much stgronger lol
You guys are missing the point of the OP comment. Kryptonite is rare, having more than anthing more than a handful of rounds would be lore breaking
@@JamestheKilljoy them having a million kryptonite bullets is the least concering thing about this game lol.
@@Iseenotix tell that to the guy making the point, not the guy explaining the point
Idk why they didn't just set this game in an alternate timeline or something. Having this be the terminus for Batman from the Arkham series just spits on and sours what was an emotionally satisfying sendoff from the original games.
This
Making this NOT an Arkahmverse game also fixes the problems with Deadshot (white and dead), King Shark (dead), Harley (child torturer), and Ivy.
Yeah from the start of the trailers when Diana has flash captured and he tells them they need to be killed is the only point that has some impact to it. It would be nice to feel some sort of empathy for the heroes we are being forced to kill.
In my opinion, the issue with Kill the Justice League's tone and difficulty in how "evil" the heroes are is something the entire Suicide Squad brand has been dealing with for a while because of what I would call the Harly Quinnification of the Suicide Squad and their brand. Because right now the push with both of the Suicide Squad movies, even the second one, is a lot more of a "self aware anti-hero vibe" and much more comedy-focused in a way they didn't always used to be, in addition to frequently putting them in high powered situations they're less suited for. It's one reason why guys like Captain Boomerang and Deadshot work well with the squad, being more down to Earth villains: Captain Boomerang's kind of just a slimeball who wants to get paid, Deadshot is an assassin-for-hire with a kid, you get the idea. They aren't BIG villains in the series (like Harley is / has become), because that doesn't really make sense or fit the entire team's premise.
In my opinion, Task Force X from Justice League Unlimited is a strong example of how the Suicide Squad should operate, and you can see the difference. In that show, it is more about infiltration and the fact they have to be smart. To fight moreso against heroes of their own level, guys like Vigilante or Shining Knight, and characters like Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter are treated as practically loss conditions. Kill the Justice League will always have a tonal problem on the fighting aspect if it makes them straightforward in killing them, but similarly the tone around it is very different, and much less irreverent. If we're in a situation where Boomerang's gonna piss on the Flash and Harley makes light of the situation, then where's the tension? When Martian Manhunter appears in that episode, it is practically a horror episode: Descending from the sky menacingly, phasing through characters and their blows to take them out of action, only being stopped by a superpowered object they acquired in the stealth part + a threat on innocent civilians. And even that is very close.
The point I'm making: They need to either be helping someone else kill the Justice League by providing support, like increasing the role of Wonder Woman for example, or to rethink the game entirely. In my opinion, it needs to be something more like a stealth action or assassination game, more Metal Gear Solid or Hitman than Gotham Knights. Going through levels avoiding Brainiac's gaze or Superman's patrol, lest he descend on you and essentially be a game over, until you can find something to deal with them. Maybe a short circuit feedback through Brainiac, an ancient artifiact like the Annihilator, getting a weakness to bring them down to their level. Maybe using other heroes to help out the Suicide Squad because why wouldn't someone like, I dunno, Captain Atom or Supergirl come in and help? Instead, it is an irreverent game with anti-heroes who only bring out the "anti" for shock value moments rather than more genuine acts of villainy, plus just the fact it has to twist a lot of stuff to get the premise and moments in the game to work (See: Green Lantern). It's all about trying to beat an idea into existence when the premise was faulty to begin with I feel.
Task Force X is basically the gold standard for Suicide Squad content. But Warner Bros. has no interest in making it that. They need the squad to be their Guardians of the Galaxy (a band of quirky misfits who never do anything seriously evil), and they need Harley Quinn to be DC's Deadpool (doesn't work because Deadpool is actually funny in his irreverence instead of just obnoxious and zany). Harley Quinn's addition to the suicide squad is where things all went to shit. She just doesn't work outside of interactions with Joker and Batman. She wasn't made to. She's Joker's sidekick, and she only functions in small doses as such. You make her a leading lady or add her to a team of people with actual superpowers or skills and it's like... "why is she even here...? Were they really so desperate for a female inclusion? Why not use Killer Frost or Jinx or someone more suitable?"
WB's problem is they're chasers. They chase the next big thing, but they're too slow to actually get there when it matters.
You're right, characters like Captain Boomerang or Deadshot work better for infiltration missions and if the Suicide Squad is going to fight the Justice League, they should have a lineup designed specifically to counteract each member of the League. To defeat Superman, use Bizarro. To defeat Flash, use Reverse Flash to defeat Green Lantern, use Sinister Exsetera.
Well, the fact that they use those who appeared in the game feels strange because I mean seriously, this is the best that Waler, having access to all the DC villains, could achieve because by using them, what exactly prevents Superman from burning them in the sun and automatically winning .
good analysis here. Your premise reminds me of "The Boys" tv show where all the supers are ridiculously OP. The protags of that show have to be way smarter because if they faced off directly they'd get evaporated.
you must've read my mind lol. I was thinking the same thing - especially about Wonder Woman. Way back when they first showed her in a cutscene, my immediate thought was "oh, so must be how the SS "kills the league"... like Wonder Woman must play are part in the boss fights. So basically, just like you suggested, the SS was there for support and maybe delivers the final blow to each one. But... nope. Everyone is just a big old bullet sponge. Wonder Woman doesn't factor into any boss fight at all. So many bad decisions made with this game
@@fernandovaca7733 That a good idea to use other villains that match up to the League to take them out. They could've still used these 4 in the SS but had them doing support things in the boss fight instead of them just "shooting the JL member" to beat them.
I feel like if they had made Wonder Woman a brainwashed Braniac Villain instead of Batman, the game might no be getting so much hate.
We just played 4 games as Arkham Batman, to have him be a villain in the end who gets shot in the head by the sidekick of his greatest villain is such a bad plot choice. The Lore has ALWAYS pushed a notion that if the JC turned evil, Batman has a plan to take them all down (including himself)
8 years must have been spent on stellar facial animations, there is no way the rest of the package took them more than 2.
"Lost my footage" ... and the game was so bad, but so bad, I couldn't even replay that aberration again, so I borrowed clips from others. You're a wise man.
bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
-----
all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
-----
most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
------
Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
-----
shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@marcusclark1339It's amazing how someone can watch Ralph's nuanced analysis on why this game is as bad as it is and still manage to fart out a full schizopost blaming "le woke agenda". Actual brainrot, you guys are too far gone
@@marcusclark1339 It is truly heartwarming to see you so triggered by inclusion initiatives while you completely ignore the fact that a push for liveservice garbage, and not what you're ranting about, is what ruined this game.
@@marcusclark1339"bastardization of ideals like cop = bad"
Cops ARE bad. That's not a bastardisation of anything. Hell, it's a core concept in many superhero stories.
I'm 35 minutes in and I've only just realised the flaming skulls are a debuff icon and not an actual enemy.
lol, I never figured out what they were. I just saw them as noise and thought no further
@@andrewt9128 Yeap, incessant noise. - I've watched multiple videos on this game now and zoned out because of both what was on screen and being told every time. I feel like the Zoomer-generation is taking over, because they probably eat this shit up. I just can't process this garbage.
@@michaelmonstar4276im a zoomer and i hate when games do this
Thing is i also have adhd contrary to popular opinion having a lot of noise on screen is really overwhelming to me because its already hard to focus naturally to me and all of this just makes it worse
The endgame footage really reminds me of when they cut to someone playing a video game in a movie and it's all just flashing lights, blood and nonsense. Utterly heartbreaking that this is what rocksteady made.
Classic skins are not part of the 100$ deal. They are just a preorder bonus. For the 100 bucks you got the heroic skins themed around the Justice League
That's another mass layoff
We can only hope
@@_Cetarial very gross and ghoulish to enjoy small devs being punished for higher-ups bad decisions. The people responsible for this game's failure will not face any consequences, while artists just hoping to feed their familes will lose their livelihood. Extremely bad take.
@@_CetarialYeah shame on the devs for doing their job instead of rebelling against their bosses
The founders of Rocksteady left in the middle of the project.
@@boldone66 they should have left the second they were told to turn this into a gambling sim instead of wasting their talent on a doomed game for 10 years
I'm glad you mentioned visual clarity in the combat section. Watching this video, I'm just blown away by how much garbage is on-screen at any given time. I don't normally get any kind of motion sickness, but the gameplay footage here actually made me uncomfortable at several points. The fact that you played this for upwards of 20 hours deserves some kind of medal for extraordinary service in the line of duty.
To be fair, the lead Ui designer looks (I don't know her obviously no hate) like a tictoc/shor attentionspan kid, this headache inducing design definitely stems from that culture
Apparently WB didn't see what a dumpster fire Redfall was so they had to make something even worse.
I can't even look at footage of this game, the screen is so fucking covered in HUD and highlights and waypoints and popups and outlines and numbers
Those developer videos of rocksteady trying to hype this game are still one of the most saddest things I've seen.
You mean those -hostage- videos of Rocksteady staff -reading their ransom & propaganda scripts at gunpoint- sharing their *_totally genuine_* enthusiasm ?
Agreed!
"The Bane gun goes boom boom boom!"
You know what I would like to have more then a Bane gun?!
BANE!😡
Personally I even disagree with the premise of "Killing the Justice League." IF you want to "Kill your Darlings" as you said, it makes way more sense to do "Suicide Squad vs Batman (ending with Batman's death)" not the whole freaking Justice League who this is the first time we're meeting in this universe. It really says a lot that the universe is in better shape after the Injustice 2 EVIL SUPERMAN ending than this game's ending. I feel like there's still too much story being thrown away for cheap shock value. I think a repurpose of the Tower of Babel here would work better as you can have the Justice League incapacitated by Batniac thus the necessity to kill him. I would obviously start the game with the usual general animosity the Squad would have for the heroes and Batman in particular, but would pull a trick from the Harley Quinn show and have some McGuffin the Squad have tracked down or assembled to free Batman from Brainiac temporarily, and as the last one standing, Harley Quinn enables the McGuffin but is affected herself, curing her of insanity temporarily (chalk it up to alien miracle technology idk). Thus we get a scene where Dr. Harleen Quinzel and Bruce Wayne have to have a brief but vital conversation where Batman has already deduced that Brainiac needs Batman alive to keep the League occupied and stop the Squad. And so Harley doesn't kill Batman with callous disregard, but Harleen Quinzel has to mercy kill Bruce Wayne.
Now you can still have your fights with the League, Batman/Brainiac's methods could still pit them on a collision course with the Squad, but without them being mind controlled they don't necessarily need to die, just be greatly incapacitated so as to explain why they don't subsequently stop Brainiac. Just spitballing I would have Batman use his concoction of Scarecrow fear gas on Green Lantern, knowing Green Lanterns are opposed to the Yellow Lanterns of fear. Just copy the comics for Flash, plant a bomb inside him that will kill him and (for insurance) Iris West if he stops running (could create some interesting dialogue with the Squad who also have bombs in them). Lastly, two birds with one stone, using Mad Hatters hypnosis methods, Batman tricks Superman into trapping Wonder Woman in the Phantom Zone, also rendering Superman off the table (so long as Batman lives, again the necessity to kill him).
All this to say nothing about all the other problems with monetization, gameplay, writing, and tone. Truly this game is such a disappointment.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who went "Where's the recoil?"
I have to take a second and give skillup huge props for his intros. He lays it all out, so if like me, today, you don't have time to watch the full video but you'd like to know the general opinion, he lays it all out in 5 minutes and doesn't keep it till the very end. really appreciate that and ill be back to finish the rest
Man borderlands 2 was really the peak of looter shooter games. Characters that had unique abilities, with a main villain who is honestly still one of the best in the industry. Guns with variations that made them feel different, different elemental values to the guns that were affective against different enemy types. Different factions like the psycho’s, Hyperion and the wildlife. The world which felt so vast and diverse. It was really such a good game
Warframe is so far the only other looter shooter to do it right. Good free storyline, fun gameplay with good melee and gunplay, completely free updates that could easily be paid DLCs.
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10:20 when the reviewer says 'makes sense' the subtitiles for King Shark come up 'Makes Sense'. If thats a coincidence thats crazy.