@@stamfordmeetup The Leopard 2 has it's weaknesses like all tanks however it is also an outstanding tank. The Challenger 2 screams out excellence but what about the new Challenger 3 that's in the making? There is much we do not and will not know about it for many years to come.
@@frednugent2310the Leo 2 could be one of the best for active modern tank on tank combat but the challenger2 is great for wars against Soviet 1960 tanks and infantry also it’s great protection and survival rate.
Hey! I am german, so sorry for the english, i`ll try my best.... Just from a technical standpoint..... Please pause the video at 21:39 and let that sink in for a moment... after hearing what, and how this man said everything so far in this video.....I just have to say this man is an absolute EXPERT, which clearly loves what he is doing, and besides that, and he is just casually talking about something that fascinating, presenting that topic in the COOLEST way I can imagine! My deepest respect, Sir! This is how I imagine Einstein, talking about relativity.... With best regards and greetings from Germany, stay safe!
With some British training and the opportunity to actually use them I'm sure the Ukrainian tankers will also make good use of them. It will be interesting to see them in action again.
Incredible wealth of information on Challenger 2 ,I will always remember going to my eldest brothers pass off parade at Catterick Garrison 1985 16/5th Royal Lancers. We'd just got out of my fathers car and a Challenger 1 came belting past followed by a Chieftain MBT from the 14/20th Kings Hussars that had just come off the ranges a sight and sound that would stay with me forever.
“Just turning up with a tank tends to make people understand the issues.” I know someone who drove humanitarian truck runs to the Balkans back then, and he remarked on the big difference it made, in terms of hassles experienced and bribes paid, after a NATO tank (Challenger, Leo, Abrams) showed up at a road junction.
I was drafted in the 'People's' army when the Cold War was almost over. 3 companies of our batallion were equiped with T -55s, one with T - 72. (I was on a T - 55.) When we were reading about the technical characteristics of the NATO tanks, we knew we won't have a chance. Our obsolete machines had a chance to hit another tank from a distance not exceeding 1000 meters while the NATO machines could do us from 3 times that. Still, we were not worried because it was clear there will be no war by this point. The firing exercises were a joke and everybody knew it. To illustrate, the targets were painted in bright colours so that we can see them clearly. LOL As for the night-vision equipment, it was in such bad shape at this point that we could not see anything a kilometre away. That is why the targets had electric lights attached to them during the night exercises. We did our best to skive. I remember how I volunteered to gut fish one night just so that I won't participate in a shooting excercise.
@@roman9509 He speaks from his own experience serving with the Eastern Bloc. Unless you can say the same; don't open your trap, because it doesn't fit your own opinion.
Excellent briefing from David who knows his subject in minute detail and presents it in a very professional way. I started on Chieftain in 1977 and finished as the Lulworth Sqn Ldr SCOTS DG with Ch 2 so a really interesting time to be in the RAC. And now my regiment has had its Chally 2s withdrawn and we are mounted on Jackal Tonka trucks. The next conflict, when it comes, will be a surprise like all the others and in a theatre of ops we least expect (e.g. Falklands, the Balkans, Iraq etc.) so lets hope we have no further cuts - either as an MBT crewed by Yeomanry (anybody heard of skills fade nowadays?) as a deterrent Cr 2 is an excellent piece of kit .
Ha, ha I bought the Haynes Manual from the works with the intention of supporting your charity this video is like revision notes for this fantastic publication. And you Sir are a great presenter and font of all knowledge re Challenger!
Wow... one of the best videos The Tank Museum has done. Love the extended format and in depth history, technical details and even crew interviews. Would love to see more of these type videos. Well done David Willey and The Tank Museum!
I got a kick out of David's comments on the tank cruise teakettle too. I look up on the company that makes it, I couldn't afford it for my RV (Caravan).
An absolutely terrifying machine nobody would ever want to be on the wrong side of. Not even 500 of them around, but they've undoubtedly made one hell of an impact.
@@gr-s2143 You're the only person here who's mentioned video games as evidence bud, previous mentions were to war videos. Not war games or video games.
Outstanding explanation of Challenger. Well done to David Willey. For obvious reasons they didn't go inside or mention other aspects.. Other features are the sensors (Thermal imaging) not discussed. Also sensors to detect if you are being 'painted'. Very important as this will initiate ejection of CMs. A key metric is how many rounds you can get off in a given time interval. The hand off from commander to gunner sight is interesting. Notice no use of HEAT rounds. There is a reason for this which is tied into the rifled gun I believe. There are plans to upgrade to smooth bore (Rheinmetal 130mm). Introduction of APS systems.I visited DSEi 2019 - and saw new updates but inside was off limits. Sensors are key as you can have best tank, Armour and gun - but need to see out to ranges efficiently in the dark to maximise effectiveness of gun. You will always need armour to take and hold ground. You cant do that with air platforms or broadcasting bits and bytes into the ether (cyber warfare). MBT is a Faraday cage and to some extent proof against cyber but need anti virus to prevent attacks that hinder inter tank communication. Note that a MBT however good it is does need infantry support & cannot function in isolation. A MBT mobility can be easily compromised if the tracks are blown off, either by battle damage or wear. I wouldn't mind a ride in a Challenger - but plenty better qualified in front of me.
That was absorbing and went very quickly. I believe that Defence is daft to be relying on other countries. I had a silliness come over me when you mentioned the power plant being Diesel and wondered if it conformed to emmisions. Thank you for an excellent presentation.
Not a silly question on emissions, all the latest army trucks have ad blue systems, bit silly if you ask me especially when they can just spec export versions of the engine from most of these suppliers.
The next generation will be powered by electric power, but the question of how the electricity will be generated on a battlefield remains open, especially as our capacity to produce petrol/diesel will drop close to zero by 2040.
@@Gamelord191 well the oil capability dropping by 2040 is correct But they probably have a bunch stockpiled while the public will have to switch to alternatives
I grew up in "The Hat." I remember working for a construction company which had a contract with Batus to do a ton of work out there. Had the pleasure of watching these big beasts up close quite a few times. Good memories.
I can see new turrets being ordered before we build a complete new tank. Probably with auto-loader to reduce the crew and packed with IT kit for increased battle space awareness. It has been said that an integrated small-UAV launcher is already being developed but that is unconfirmed. I'm waiting for Jane's to report.
Probably, but it will be a new name i think. A turret upgrade and (perhaps) engine upgrade is the most that will happen during the 2020s (unless sit looks like a conflict with China or perhaps Russia is likely).
@@gusgone4527 I can see an autoloader being considered necessary for a modern tank, but I would have thought that to implement such a system in a tank chassis designed for a human loader would not be possible just with a turret upgrade. The russian tanks for example have that huge round ammo drum in the hull as part of the autoloader system, I can't imagine that the current CH2 hull could support one.
Those Vickers export tanks eventually came up against T-72s when the Iraqis invaded Kuwait in 1990. They managed to hold their own for a fair few hours despite only being elements of a single brigade against elements of two Iraqi Republican Guard Divisions. Really interesting video, thanks!
mhh not quite right. When you are talking about the battle of the Bridges in Kuwait There was the 35th kuwaiti armored brigade, but of its two Chieftain bataillons less than 50% were operational at mobilisation. both together could only muster a single understrength Chieftain bataillon. (36 vehicles) They were supported by a mech company with some add ons from other companies and a severely understrength artillery company. The irakis moved in only ELEMENTS of 2 mech and armored divisions without recon. The irakis lost about 30 armored vehicles (this includes BMP and MBT) before they retreated. That is hardly a victory to brag about. Considering that the Kuwaitis lost 136 of 143 Chieftains and a total of 250 MBT´s PLUS about 850 IFV´s and APC´s in the whole invasion, while the irakis barely lost any T72´s. (about 120 armored vehicles in total. again BMP´s and MBT´s are counted together) Similar figures arise during the Iran-Irak War from 1980-88. Iran lost 600 of its 894 Chieftains and Irak lost barely any T72 and som T62
@@sandgrownun66 or chieftain is just a bad tank. i mean there are examples from the reforger exercises, where chieftains from the frontline brigades of the British Army on the Rhine (british NATO contribution to european defense during the cold war) just broke down on the roadmarch from the railhead to the rallypoints. the BAOR had also an estimated 35-40% mechanical failure rate on chieftains under peace conditions.
This for me was an excellent presentation, interesting informative and educational, and I liked the interview with the crews validated the opinions. The presenter was especially good, nice tone, nice pace, not rushed and authoritive. Well Done
From across the pond here, we share the pride yous have in the chally 2...very impressive proper brawler you have. Undoubtedly proven, all powerful limited only by their operations our big battle wagons truely are.
I joined the Junior Leaders Regt in 1966 for boys service - 18 months of Tank Museum visits whenever I felt like crossing the road! Now I live in TX and see it every 10 years or so. Still riveting!
@@roganmuldoon3357 I was a Jnr ldr RAC too 1976 - 1978 was glad to join the adults in BAOR the area around Bovington was lovely. Some of the people not so welcoming to troops stationed there.
I enjoyed this extended talk on what is rapidly becoming a favourite tank. I must say, the urban camouflage is the best I’ve seen yet (although I prefer the O.D./camo).
thanks for this very comprehensive and interesting video, one of the best that you have produced. Especially the interview of the crew , which I have very much appreciated, because it renders the video more lively. I would really enjoy an extension of this concept to other tanks!
Up until about 1990 we had in Germany 3 armoured Divisions, these were the 1st, 3rd and 4th (which made up 1 BR Corps or BAOR). The 2nd Div was an Infantry Div with the HQ based in York. After the 1990 defence review, that is when we drew down to 2 then 1 ARMDDIV in Germany.
First of all, what a great presentation this tank chat has been! Secondly, if 3 part ammunition and rifled cannon concept are retained, Challenger 2 has a great avenue to be up-gunned. Be it 140mm or 6" cannon, there will be no need for a new turret and auto-loader.
What an informative & well produced video thanks. Great to see that the Challenger 2 will once again serve in real combat & has the best armour to help protect those brave Ukrainian warriors who are keeping Putin at bay over on the eastern flank of Europe.
When the Swedish CV90 was developed, because of cost they had to chose between gun stabilization or a thermal sight. A Thermal sight was deemed more important (night vision don't work during cloudy winter days in northern Sweden). However as the production went on stabilization was brought back in after the Gulf War had demonstrated it's usefulness. CV90's under production got a stabilization system and the next batch got a better stabilization system, this continued until the CV90A with three axis stabilization and then the previous vehicles where all brought up to CV90A standard, it's stabilization is still limited. The CV90B was the next version which had major modifications, now the stabilization system isn't tacked on but built in from the start, the suspension is also different and more suited to a stabilized gun and the gun itself has an electric firing pin so the computer can fire the gun at exactly the right time. This is a fully stabilized modern system. In this respect the UK and Sweden where similar that they had limited resources that needed to give the most bang for the buck. In fact the whole CV90 project meant the Centurion tank could not be replaced in the 1980's, it was deemed more important to mechanize the arctic brigades which was the original mission profile of the CV90's. Basically all brigades in the northern half of Sweden was geared to fighting in roadless terrain in deep snow they used a lot of articulated tracked vehicles since wheeled vehicles had failed to do the job in a 1950's winter exercise. Otherwise they where infantry brigades that got slightly better equipment than other other infantry brigades. The CV90 was supposed to mechanize one of the battalions of each brigade and give it more punch against the Soviet hordes of the Murmansk and Leningrad military districts coming through Finland.
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And the MBT-80. I know prototypes are not historically important, but as an engineer, the stuff that didn't succeed is more interresting. Because they tend to either be a failure, which helps us in learning from those mistakes. Else they were often very advanced, but expensive, so got cut by those in charge in the budget, in which case we can see where the cutting edge was.
As a young safari guide , l was driving through Kenya's Northern Frontier district , and came across a broken down Vickers main Battle Tank. It was a bit surreal .
Birmingham armor mechanic here. Can confirm it is made from consecutive layers of the same premium steel used to make huusk knives. These layers are then encased in a container made of a unique CCM (tungsten/depleted uranium cermit with muon nanotube fibres interspersed throughout). The new 140mm rifled barrel has an advanced apfsds round with an increased rod length of 200mm (full apfsds length now 350mm). This is the longest apfsds round ever used by the british commonwealth. The new hesh round uses octocubane and a special blender to increase brisance of the overall charge. How can ruskies compete? Im scared for them.
It must have been a solid lump in the porridge to see an export tank outgunning the current service units. Its always amazing the network of the arms industry and the ways in which it keeps running forward to the future.
Worked on a MOD site in Dorset in "95 where they were developing the C2 , remember one time they were using old centurions for target practice , good vid . :)
@@leetlbt - Yeah , we used to go there for dinner also , our contract was to maintain the small gauge track for the moving targets on the range - our digs were in weymouth , good days :)
@ 03:01 Lol Saw a tank(00FD85) I served on back in 1985-86 in Tidworth , slowest ruddy one in the Squadron back then lmao ,, but we had good darn times on the ol bus .. back in 85 whilst on the ranges at Castlemartin we had a "flashback" in the turret , I was gunner at the time , we had finished firing Apds and started on our Hesh shooting ,cant remember how many we had fired ,all I can remember is that I fired and saw a flash as I was looking through my sight observing the trace ,,realizing that that shouldn't of happened I called out "stop,stop ,stop" Commander went hapeshit but when he came down saw the Operator was still smouldering ( lol, Eybrows and beret, my left rear of head was still smouldering plus me Beret on rear left and then realized he had felt a warm sensation on his legs ( lmao ) ..We then got permission to withdraw to rear of range where I and the Operator started removing the Obturator rings to inspect and see what happened ,, after two hours ( or so cant remember exactly hoe long it took ) of cleaning and inspecting the Obturators and breech block , we found that a piece of hessian from the bag charge for Hesh had burnt through three of the four rings on both Obturators , tobe exact it was three and a half rings ( We were so ga*damed lucky that day!! ) ,another time also 85 whilst on a night exercise ( at that time Driver was opened up for night driving , was alot easier and safer back then for the crew for night driving), we found the only man-made hole that could fit a ruddy Chieftain if it drove in straight on, if the Driver hadn't of suddenly stopped and called out over the IC that something wasn't right just before we were about to drive into said hole then I certainly wouldn't be here today ,, those were the days lmao ,, heehee lmao ... So if you go visit the museum and 00FD85 is still outside at the main entrance then try and remember this story lol ,, last time I was there in 2006 meself and a couple of others from our ol Sqn had alaugh when we saw that tank ,, one of them served on that tank at that time ,,he was a darn good driver ( cheers Tlyks if you ever see this Bud !! ) FTW ..... At that time I served in the 5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards in C Sqn ,,,, Regards "Bucky " !!
Random though, but they must have some serious concrete work under the Tank Museum to support the weight of these tanks. This tank, alone, weighs a hair over 140000 lbs. - absolutely mad. Curious what their foundations look like there.
The Challenger 2 is a great tank, this video shows that tank design and development when done properly is an evolutionary process and a big job. Design always evolve from previous design.
A wonderful and outstanding piece of British kit. "Cheers yank, but we dont need your inferior one part ammo. we have a Rifled barrel, 3 part ammunition, bags of spaghetti on the floor and a brew making vessel. Oh and a world record for the longest tank on tank kill"... "thank you very much"........ "God save the Queen".
I was in the Royal Marines force protection unit driving a WIMIK to shatt al Arab and the was a challenger 2 on the side of the road. It was so low a well dug in we didn’t see it till we where (I kid you not) bloody 80 yards away. Sneaky bugger sat there not moving it could have took us out a going 70mph down the road a mile away. Sneeky tankers . Glad it was a friendly
We had 4 armored divisions, not 2. The hunter/killer was implemented on Chieftain. I would be engaging a target, my commander would pick up the next target. Once I’d killed the target, the commander pull a “switch” which brought the gun and my sight on to the next target. You also missed that in the British Army a tank troop typically had 3 tanks, in a war configuration it would have 4 tanks.
Context is important. Tracked vehicles are far more complex than wheeled vehicles, and MBT's especially so, so MBT's are never going to be as reliable as the average family car. In comparison to other tanks out there however, Challenger II's reliability is at least on a par with tanks like the Abrahms and Leopard 2, and far, far better than early Chieftans.
Excellent video about my favorite tank. Love it and I'm not even British but my mother was. Notice at 40.40 how short the crew are compared to David Willey.
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When the tank museum releases a 50 minute video- life is good
David, your presentations are flawless in content and delivery thank you from a Yank, I wish some of our museums did as good a job is yours.
Well, I found the USS Missouri as Museum and the US Army Museum in Honolulu quite impressive
I think the Tank Museum sets a very high bar, but in these days where history is being erased, we need all the high bars we can get 😟
I couldn’t agree more, I B… I was going to comment on David’s great lecture, but your comment is extremely more relevant, well said.
Which history has been erased? How do we know about the erased history?
I don’t know why but I I don’t know me
Mr. Willey could be talking as well about the history of washing machines and it would be equally interesting and educational.
True, the man indeed has a gift!
I'd watch that.
Washing machines are actually pretty interesting. ;)😊
I worked at the Leeds factory where these were made. Thanks for bringing back a lot of memories.
C2 was made at Elswick. Crossgates had been closed down.
Challenger 2 was not made at Elswick but Scotswood.
What happened? You got walked out for telling people your the man if you need a tank. The challenger someone has to be second to the leaped 2
@@bryanlittleton4495 leaped 2
@Bartosz Piwowarczyk Hi, friend from Central Europe 🇵🇱. The only mfg. job I ever had was for about 7 months at the Boeing 737 plant many years ago
I am an American tank junkie and the Challenger 2 is a very impressive tank indeed. I believe it to be the best main battle tank in the world.
one of the best it propably is. greetings from germany.
the Challenger II tried and tested in combat and none lost. The Leopard only looks good on paper.
@@stamfordmeetup The Leopard 2 has it's weaknesses like all tanks however it is also an outstanding tank. The Challenger 2 screams out excellence but what about the new Challenger 3 that's in the making? There is much we do not and will not know about it for many years to come.
@@frednugent2310the Leo 2 could be one of the best for active modern tank on tank combat but the challenger2 is great for wars against Soviet 1960 tanks and infantry also it’s great protection and survival rate.
@@stamfordmeetup there is no unkillable tank.. but no doubt Challenger 2 are one of the best on world
Hey! I am german, so sorry for the english, i`ll try my best.... Just from a technical standpoint..... Please pause the video at 21:39 and let that sink in for a moment... after hearing what, and how this man said everything so far in this video.....I just have to say this man is an absolute EXPERT, which clearly loves what he is doing, and besides that, and he is just casually talking about something that fascinating, presenting that topic in the COOLEST way I can imagine!
My deepest respect, Sir!
This is how I imagine Einstein, talking about relativity....
With best regards and greetings from Germany, stay safe!
@Wassi Vielen dank 🤝🏻
As we sometimes say, "You sound like an American, except your English is pretty good." :)
He does sound like an American....
Thanks, great reviews, tank + British crew = Winner
With some British training and the opportunity to actually use them I'm sure the Ukrainian tankers will also make good use of them. It will be interesting to see them in action again.
The presentation couldn‘t have been better! Everything explained well, even interviews with the crew... thank you! Greetings from austria ✌🏻
Incredible wealth of information on Challenger 2 ,I will always remember going to my eldest brothers pass off parade at Catterick Garrison 1985 16/5th Royal Lancers. We'd just got out of my fathers car and a Challenger 1 came belting past followed by a Chieftain MBT from the 14/20th Kings Hussars that had just come off the ranges a sight and sound that would stay with me forever.
“Just turning up with a tank tends to make people understand the issues.”
I know someone who drove humanitarian truck runs to the Balkans back then, and he remarked on the big difference it made, in terms of hassles experienced and bribes paid, after a NATO tank (Challenger, Leo, Abrams) showed up at a road junction.
bringing a tank to a negotiation is like an amped up version of "DID I STUTTER?"
I was drafted in the 'People's' army when the Cold War was almost over. 3 companies of our batallion were equiped with T -55s, one with T - 72. (I was on a T - 55.) When we were reading about the technical characteristics of the NATO tanks, we knew we won't have a chance. Our obsolete machines had a chance to hit another tank from a distance not exceeding 1000 meters while the NATO machines could do us from 3 times that. Still, we were not worried because it was clear there will be no war by this point.
The firing exercises were a joke and everybody knew it. To illustrate, the targets were painted in bright colours so that we can see them clearly. LOL As for the night-vision equipment, it was in such bad shape at this point that we could not see anything a kilometre away. That is why the targets had electric lights attached to them during the night exercises.
We did our best to skive. I remember how I volunteered to gut fish one night just so that I won't participate in a shooting excercise.
🤣👍🇬🇧Take care of yourself mate, fantastic story
This story can be told by any loser from any army not belonging the the top world powers. You’re analysis is a joke.
@@roman9509 dont understand what you mean by loser? Cos he admitted their tanks and organisation were not great?
@@roman9509 He speaks from his own experience serving with the Eastern Bloc.
Unless you can say the same; don't open your trap, because it doesn't fit your own opinion.
@@roman9509 The IDF would like to invite you to step outside.
Thanks
Excellent briefing from David who knows his subject in minute detail and presents it in a very professional way. I started on Chieftain in 1977 and finished as the Lulworth Sqn Ldr SCOTS DG with Ch 2 so a really interesting time to be in the RAC. And now my regiment has had its Chally 2s withdrawn and we are mounted on Jackal Tonka trucks. The next conflict, when it comes, will be a surprise like all the others and in a theatre of ops we least expect (e.g. Falklands, the Balkans, Iraq etc.) so lets hope we have no further cuts - either as an MBT crewed by Yeomanry (anybody heard of skills fade nowadays?) as a deterrent Cr 2 is an excellent piece of kit .
Charmingly Turned Phrases dep't: "Just turning up with a tank tends to make people back off, understand the issues..."
I seem to have missed, at around what minute?
@@Hemimike426 Circa 39:00, when David is talking about Challenger 2's role in the 1990s Balkan peacekeeping operations.
@@ZGryphon many thanks
Ha, ha I bought the Haynes Manual from the works with the intention of supporting your charity this video is like revision notes for this fantastic publication. And you Sir are a great presenter and font of all knowledge re Challenger!
Wow... one of the best videos The Tank Museum has done. Love the extended format and in depth history, technical details and even crew interviews. Would love to see more of these type videos. Well done David Willey and The Tank Museum!
That heating system works so well that people fall asleep in Canada and keep driving straight for 500m until the commander wakes them, hey Marty.
The world's most well protected Tea-making machine.
I got a kick out of David's comments on the tank cruise teakettle too. I look up on the company that makes it, I couldn't afford it for my RV (Caravan).
@@mackfisher4487 the bloody fact ya got a RV is good enough in my opinion.
but out of curiosity how much are those? the kettle.
Tea Machine that has the record Tank kill distance.
mwnciboo thats cr1 not 2
Idk id claim the floating teamakers are better armored.
The detail in this tank chat really goes above and beyond anything else I have seen yet, fantastic job and very enjoyable to listen to :)
Very thorough, very engaging, typically British and an excellent presentation in every respect.
What a knowledgeable man to present tanks! A Bovingdon treasure!!!
Thanks!
An absolutely terrifying machine nobody would ever want to be on the wrong side of. Not even 500 of them around, but they've undoubtedly made one hell of an impact.
If I remember right I don't think any of them have ever been lost in any recent wars, something to do with a top secret composite armor.
@@VenVidiVici ive sen quite a few of them being destroyed in war videos though. Whatever armor protection, in the end there are always weakspots.
@jackinthesack Yeah the leopard gave great service in Syria
@@gr-s2143 So the Turkish incursion in to Syria with leo2 tanks was just a video game??? Are you some sort of a moron?
@@gr-s2143 You're the only person here who's mentioned video games as evidence bud, previous mentions were to war videos. Not war games or video games.
A very interesting and well documented tank chat. I like this guy's honest and Frank delivery. Well done.
It's a gorgeous beast!
Outstanding explanation of Challenger. Well done to David Willey. For obvious reasons they didn't go inside or mention other aspects.. Other features are the sensors (Thermal imaging) not discussed. Also sensors to detect if you are being 'painted'. Very important as this will initiate ejection of CMs.
A key metric is how many rounds you can get off in a given time interval. The hand off from commander to gunner sight is interesting. Notice no use of HEAT rounds. There is a reason for this which is tied into the rifled gun I believe.
There are plans to upgrade to smooth bore (Rheinmetal 130mm). Introduction of APS systems.I visited DSEi 2019 - and saw new updates but inside was off limits. Sensors are key as you can have best tank, Armour and gun - but need to see out to ranges efficiently in the dark to maximise effectiveness of gun.
You will always need armour to take and hold ground. You cant do that with air platforms or broadcasting bits and bytes into the ether (cyber warfare). MBT is a Faraday cage and to some extent proof against cyber but need anti virus to prevent attacks that hinder inter tank communication.
Note that a MBT however good it is does need infantry support & cannot function in isolation. A MBT mobility can be easily compromised if the tracks are blown off, either by battle damage or wear.
I wouldn't mind a ride in a Challenger - but plenty better qualified in front of me.
That was absorbing and went very quickly. I believe that Defence is daft to be relying on other countries. I had a silliness come over me when you mentioned the power plant being Diesel and wondered if it conformed to emmisions.
Thank you for an excellent presentation.
Not a silly question on emissions, all the latest army trucks have ad blue systems, bit silly if you ask me especially when they can just spec export versions of the engine from most of these suppliers.
The next generation will be powered by electric power, but the question of how the electricity will be generated on a battlefield remains open, especially as our capacity to produce petrol/diesel will drop close to zero by 2040.
uh...you won't be worrying much about emissions anymore should you end up in a fight...or dead.
@@nickbrough8335 Highly doubt it, how could you even fit a battery big enough?
@@Gamelord191 well the oil capability dropping by 2040 is correct
But they probably have a bunch stockpiled while the public will have to switch to alternatives
Thanks David and team, for laying out this complex evolutionary history of the C2. Kudos.
I grew up in "The Hat." I remember working for a construction company which had a contract with Batus to do a ton of work out there. Had the pleasure of watching these big beasts up close quite a few times. Good memories.
What is "The Hat"?
@@alexrennison8070 Medicine Hat, Suffield, Canada.Home of BATUS training area.
@@thewomble1509 Oh, yeah I actually do know Medicine Hat. Saw it on my globe & was like wtf haha
Makes me wonder if there will ever be a Challenger 3. And if so what it will look like and who will build it. Great job Tank Museum team!
I can see new turrets being ordered before we build a complete new tank. Probably with auto-loader to reduce the crew and packed with IT kit for increased battle space awareness. It has been said that an integrated small-UAV launcher is already being developed but that is unconfirmed. I'm waiting for Jane's to report.
so many upgrades review have been put back and put back and now they, at last, starting a lower level one thus it meant to extend live to 2035
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Probably, but it will be a new name i think. A turret upgrade and (perhaps) engine upgrade is the most that will happen during the 2020s (unless sit looks like a conflict with China or perhaps Russia is likely).
@@gusgone4527 I can see an autoloader being considered necessary for a modern tank, but I would have thought that to implement such a system in a tank chassis designed for a human loader would not be possible just with a turret upgrade. The russian tanks for example have that huge round ammo drum in the hull as part of the autoloader system, I can't imagine that the current CH2 hull could support one.
Those Vickers export tanks eventually came up against T-72s when the Iraqis invaded Kuwait in 1990. They managed to hold their own for a fair few hours despite only being elements of a single brigade against elements of two Iraqi Republican Guard Divisions. Really interesting video, thanks!
Well its export vs export lmao
@@MRXi0 Battle of the "monkey models."
mhh not quite right.
When you are talking about the battle of the Bridges in Kuwait
There was the 35th kuwaiti armored brigade, but of its two Chieftain bataillons less than 50% were operational at mobilisation. both together could only muster a single understrength Chieftain bataillon. (36 vehicles)
They were supported by a mech company with some add ons from other companies and a severely understrength artillery company.
The irakis moved in only ELEMENTS of 2 mech and armored divisions without recon.
The irakis lost about 30 armored vehicles (this includes BMP and MBT) before they retreated.
That is hardly a victory to brag about.
Considering that the Kuwaitis lost 136 of 143 Chieftains and a total of 250 MBT´s PLUS about 850 IFV´s and APC´s in the whole invasion, while the irakis barely lost any T72´s. (about 120 armored vehicles in total. again BMP´s and MBT´s are counted together)
Similar figures arise during the Iran-Irak War from 1980-88.
Iran lost 600 of its 894 Chieftains and Irak lost barely any T72 and som T62
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Looks like the Kuwaitis were caught with their pants down then.
@@sandgrownun66 or chieftain is just a bad tank.
i mean there are examples from the reforger exercises, where chieftains from the frontline brigades of the British Army on the Rhine (british NATO contribution to european defense during the cold war) just broke down on the roadmarch from the railhead to the rallypoints.
the BAOR had also an estimated 35-40% mechanical failure rate on chieftains under peace conditions.
This for me was an excellent presentation, interesting informative and educational, and I liked the interview with the crews validated the opinions. The presenter was especially good, nice tone, nice pace, not rushed and authoritive. Well Done
Most interested in the survivability issues. Really boost crew moral. God bless to the crews past and present.
This guy is so knowledgeable about tanks its not even funny.love this channel
From across the pond here, we share the pride yous have in the chally 2...very impressive proper brawler you have. Undoubtedly proven, all powerful limited only by their operations our big battle wagons truely are.
i'm so glad i only live 20 mins away from this amazing place. it's one of the best War museums in all of Europe.
Aw thats lucky
I live on the other end of the bloody country!
I joined the Junior Leaders Regt in 1966 for boys service - 18 months of Tank Museum visits whenever I felt like crossing the road! Now I live in TX and see it every 10 years or so. Still riveting!
@@roganmuldoon3357 I was a Jnr ldr RAC too 1976 - 1978 was glad to join the adults in BAOR the area around Bovington was lovely. Some of the people not so welcoming to troops stationed there.
Just booked up for Tiger day in Sept.2021. Hopefully all will be ok.
The quality of you explanations is the best in the entire RUclips
Excellent video, very engaging and well paced. The Curator certainly knows his facts and puts it very well to keep the interest. Thank you.
Tack!
I enjoyed this extended talk on what is rapidly becoming a favourite tank. I must say, the urban camouflage is the best I’ve seen yet (although I prefer the O.D./camo).
thanks for this very comprehensive and interesting video, one of the best that you have produced. Especially the interview of the crew , which I have very much appreciated, because it renders the video more lively. I would really enjoy an extension of this concept to other tanks!
How fascinating, thank you all for covering this tank!
Very well researched, written and presented. Makes us proud.
Up until about 1990 we had in Germany 3 armoured Divisions, these were the 1st, 3rd and 4th (which made up 1 BR Corps or BAOR). The 2nd Div was an Infantry Div with the HQ based in York. After the 1990 defence review, that is when we drew down to 2 then 1 ARMDDIV in Germany.
Airborne threats from helicopters concerns were really overblown. 🤬
First of all, what a great presentation this tank chat has been!
Secondly, if 3 part ammunition and rifled cannon concept are retained, Challenger 2 has a great avenue to be up-gunned. Be it 140mm or 6" cannon, there will be no need for a new turret and auto-loader.
Brilliant comments
What an informative & well produced video thanks. Great to see that the Challenger 2 will once again serve in real combat & has the best armour to help protect those brave Ukrainian warriors who are keeping Putin at bay over on the eastern flank of Europe.
The armor is pretty bad tho, even the front has huge weakspots, T-80U from the 80s has better protection everywhere.
The protection of Challenger 2 is a joke, even a HESH round destroys it. A simple artillery shell is enough to blow them into pieces.
Lol
The first mission of challenger 2 in Ukraine end so badly for the chally it get destroyed and burned better than leo 2a6
More full length please. This was very interesting, and such well made!
When the Swedish CV90 was developed, because of cost they had to chose between gun stabilization or a thermal sight.
A Thermal sight was deemed more important (night vision don't work during cloudy winter days in northern Sweden).
However as the production went on stabilization was brought back in after the Gulf War had demonstrated it's usefulness.
CV90's under production got a stabilization system and the next batch got a better stabilization system, this continued until the CV90A with three axis stabilization and then the previous vehicles where all brought up to CV90A standard, it's stabilization is still limited.
The CV90B was the next version which had major modifications, now the stabilization system isn't tacked on but built in from the start, the suspension is also different and more suited to a stabilized gun and the gun itself has an electric firing pin so the computer can fire the gun at exactly the right time.
This is a fully stabilized modern system.
In this respect the UK and Sweden where similar that they had limited resources that needed to give the most bang for the buck.
In fact the whole CV90 project meant the Centurion tank could not be replaced in the 1980's, it was deemed more important to mechanize the arctic brigades which was the original mission profile of the CV90's.
Basically all brigades in the northern half of Sweden was geared to fighting in roadless terrain in deep snow they used a lot of articulated tracked vehicles since wheeled vehicles had failed to do the job in a 1950's winter exercise. Otherwise they where infantry brigades that got slightly better equipment than other other infantry brigades.
The CV90 was supposed to mechanize one of the battalions of each brigade and give it more punch against the Soviet hordes of the Murmansk and Leningrad military districts coming through Finland.
Hey David thanks so much, esp. the interviews with the crew members and their considerations of the roles they play. Well done.
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I think confronted with that I’d very quickly “understand the issues” too ! LMAO
David Willey is a good host,as he has clarity,relevance & knowledge.
A Haynes Manual !!! All I need now is to find a low mileage Challenger 2 in the classified ads.
Interesting video as always. Love to see a video on all the Vickers or other British export tanks mentioned here
_Scooter98_ there is a video for the vickers 6 ton
Me too. The in-depth but obscure stuff is cool to me
And the MBT-80.
I know prototypes are not historically important, but as an engineer, the stuff that didn't succeed is more interresting. Because they tend to either be a failure, which helps us in learning from those mistakes. Else they were often very advanced, but expensive, so got cut by those in charge in the budget, in which case we can see where the cutting edge was.
As a young safari guide , l was driving through Kenya's Northern Frontier district , and came across a broken down Vickers main Battle Tank. It was a bit surreal .
I didn't mind that this video was a reupload! :-)
Excellent documentary!
Thank you David and everyone who was involved in making this fantastic video. I learned a lot! I hope you are able to re-open your doors soon.
Thank you Tank Museum.
Birmingham armor mechanic here. Can confirm it is made from consecutive layers of the same premium steel used to make huusk knives. These layers are then encased in a container made of a unique CCM (tungsten/depleted uranium cermit with muon nanotube fibres interspersed throughout).
The new 140mm rifled barrel has an advanced apfsds round with an increased rod length of 200mm (full apfsds length now 350mm). This is the longest apfsds round ever used by the british commonwealth. The new hesh round uses octocubane and a special blender to increase brisance of the overall charge.
How can ruskies compete? Im scared for them.
Super presentation & concise descriptions by the crew 👍
Keep up the awesome content. I love documentaries like this.
Another brilliant, informative and well produced video.
I will never forget my first main armament shot on a chieftain. :-) it was a HESH, nearly 40 years ago.
A pack swap on a Challenger 2 is an amazing thing to watch. Maybe for a future video? I am sure REME would be happy to oblige.
An hour of Tank Chat?!? Yes please.
It must have been a solid lump in the porridge to see an export tank outgunning the current service units. Its always amazing the network of the arms industry and the ways in which it keeps running forward to the future.
MBT: Mainly Brewing Tea
Edit: And now we have the Challenger 3!
We had IFCS on Chieftain and to be honest it was like bloody star wars......awesome bit of kit and accurate as hell!
until you lost your ellipse 😁
Brilliant vid - interesting, informative and well presented. Many thanks!
Worked on a MOD site in Dorset in "95 where they were developing the C2 , remember one time they were using old centurions for target practice , good vid . :)
Worked there myself in 94/95 building the sheds for tanks,use to go the tank museum for my dinnar as the cook was a geordie and he give huge potions..
@@leetlbt - Yeah , we used to go there for dinner also , our contract was to maintain the small gauge track for the moving targets on the range - our digs were in weymouth , good days :)
@ 03:01 Lol Saw a tank(00FD85) I served on back in 1985-86 in Tidworth , slowest ruddy one in the Squadron back then lmao ,, but we had good darn times on the ol bus .. back in 85 whilst on the ranges at Castlemartin we had a "flashback" in the turret , I was gunner at the time , we had finished firing Apds and started on our Hesh shooting ,cant remember how many we had fired ,all I can remember is that I fired and saw a flash as I was looking through my sight observing the trace ,,realizing that that shouldn't of happened I called out "stop,stop ,stop" Commander went hapeshit but when he came down saw the Operator was still smouldering ( lol, Eybrows and beret, my left rear of head was still smouldering plus me Beret on rear left and then realized he had felt a warm sensation on his legs ( lmao ) ..We then got permission to withdraw to rear of range where I and the Operator started removing the Obturator rings to inspect and see what happened ,, after two hours ( or so cant remember exactly hoe long it took ) of cleaning and inspecting the Obturators and breech block , we found that a piece of hessian from the bag charge for Hesh had burnt through three of the four rings on both Obturators , tobe exact it was three and a half rings ( We were so ga*damed lucky that day!! ) ,another time also 85 whilst on a night exercise ( at that time Driver was opened up for night driving , was alot easier and safer back then for the crew for night driving), we found the only man-made hole that could fit a ruddy Chieftain if it drove in straight on, if the Driver hadn't of suddenly stopped and called out over the IC that something wasn't right just before we were about to drive into said hole then I certainly wouldn't be here today ,, those were the days lmao ,, heehee lmao ... So if you go visit the museum and 00FD85 is still outside at the main entrance then try and remember this story lol ,, last time I was there in 2006 meself and a couple of others from our ol Sqn had alaugh when we saw that tank ,, one of them served on that tank at that time ,,he was a darn good driver ( cheers Tlyks if you ever see this Bud !! ) FTW ..... At that time I served in the 5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards in C Sqn ,,,, Regards "Bucky " !!
I like tanks because of how they look. I like the colour of this one, and it looks wonderful front on
Random though, but they must have some serious concrete work under the Tank Museum to support the weight of these tanks. This tank, alone, weighs a hair over 140000 lbs. - absolutely mad. Curious what their foundations look like there.
this was brilliant!!! best yet.
This is excellent. Perfectly explained
Love these lectures from the Tank museum. Please do more. Will there be a new tank after Challenger2?
The Challenger II is currently undergoing an LEP (Life Extension Programme) to keep it fresh until 2040, so we have a little wait yet
Tonka toys got the contract
Challanger 3 was released 8 months ago
The Challenger 2 is a great tank, this video shows that tank design and development when done properly is an evolutionary process and a big job. Design always evolve from previous design.
Anyone else checking back on this video to see if it’s trending since the UK announced the donation of Challenger 2 to Ukraine!
Came here for that exact reason. Though no1 ever saw any if these in the SMO zone.
Those will be wrecked by artillery before they reach the front line. Tank on tank battles is extremely rare.
Thank you RUclips for recommending me this at 4 am on a work night
A wonderful and outstanding piece of British kit. "Cheers yank, but we dont need your inferior one part ammo. we have a Rifled barrel, 3 part ammunition, bags of spaghetti on the floor and a brew making vessel. Oh and a world record for the longest tank on tank kill"... "thank you very much"........ "God save the Queen".
11/10! Exremely well done. Thank you for all your effort.
Excellent stuff, and thank you for not using the phrase "deep dive".
To the Tank Museum- just checked out your online shop and wow just wow, so much cool stuff, cant wait to treat myself!
I was in the Royal Marines force protection unit driving a WIMIK to shatt al Arab and the was a challenger 2 on the side of the road. It was so low a well dug in we didn’t see it till we where (I kid you not) bloody 80 yards away. Sneaky bugger sat there not moving it could have took us out a going 70mph down the road a mile away. Sneeky tankers . Glad it was a friendly
Splendid! That was so informative. In a way I am surprised that some of the information presented is not "sensitive".
We had 4 armored divisions, not 2. The hunter/killer was implemented on Chieftain. I would be engaging a target, my commander would pick up the next target. Once I’d killed the target, the commander pull a “switch” which brought the gun and my sight on to the next target.
You also missed that in the British Army a tank troop typically had 3 tanks, in a war configuration it would have 4 tanks.
The Bradley has a similar kill>CO acquire's new target feature. I'm surprised you practiced different than you would perform in real life.
@@seandelaney1700 The tactics used with 3 tanks are exactly the same than are used with 4.
contra rotation
Machined components for these at Vickers Scotswood .Chieftans, bridgelayers and ARV s at Elswick..Happy days.
@42:28 they’re quite good reliable vehicles, at times.” Wow, sounds... great.
That's called British understatement. You need to understand it to appreciate it.
They are around 25 years old remember.
Context is important.
Tracked vehicles are far more complex than wheeled vehicles, and MBT's especially so, so MBT's are never going to be as reliable as the average family car. In comparison to other tanks out there however, Challenger II's reliability is at least on a par with tanks like the Abrahms and Leopard 2, and far, far better than early Chieftans.
21:00 excellent explanation
Amazing, thank you. Please do one of these deep dives on the Chieftain. I'll bring the egg banjos.
I bags the cheese possessed!
This just popped up after a warthunder video and im glad i watched the whole thing. Great video
Congrats for being allowed to get in the bMuseum.
Well, there's the 'beast from the east', but here's the 'best from the west' :-)
Great vid! Greets from the Netherlands, T.
Excellent video about my favorite tank. Love it and I'm not even British but my mother was. Notice at 40.40 how short the crew are compared to David Willey.
Unless you’ve renounced it, under British and Australian law you see a disk national (British Citizen and Australian Citizen). You are eligible for a British passport.
Another great video, thank you !!!!
I spent a few weeks on camp in Bovington a few years ago....I swear to god every squaddie drives a volkswagen scirocco
Absolutely amazing talk.
Thank you for your excellent chats. I just became a member so I'm no longer freeloading on your channel. Fred Orman
Went on Tank day.... Best day out I've had in ages. If you can, just go !!!
As a Yank i LOVE the Abrams but the Challenger is GREAT also
Great series. Love the in depth info
Great presentation, very impressive.