How Greatsword actually Broke Brawlhalla
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2022
- Greatsword was pretty strong.
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Battle Boots looks like its going down the same path
It’s gonna get nerfed but I think the weapon fits nicely in the game
How is it broken?
@@TrueHeroAriel didn’t say it was broken just said it might get nerfed maybe one or 2 true combos might b taken away not too much of a big change
NEVER WILL IT REACHTHE GLORY OF THE GREATSWORD
@@TrueHeroAriel uh oh Typhy
I see myself at the end 😮, great video as always von❤
Nice, it’s cool to see you actually mentioned the fact that it was legal in autumns
yuhhhp
@@Vondakay btw, I found the thing I har mentioned in the other video, it’s in the 2020 EU singles Autumn Championship, minute 56:32 a guy named QS. was playing Jaeyun
I'm still confused how the GS meta was "boring" & "no fun" & "unplayable"
when the meta for like 2 seasons was literally axe+hammer of all things, how was that not "boring unplayable"
Yet another banger video. Certified vondakay classic
Preciate it Mingkey
I have been waiting on someone to make this video. If someone wasn't, I was gonna, but you seemed like the perfect dude in the community to make a video like this.
Thank you, your comments are always so kind I appreciate that
Ive recently started using Magyar occasionally. While I'm still not all that good with the hammer. I really enjoy using his great sword. I think his sigs are pretty dope looking. Another great video, keep up the great work.✌️
Thank you more to come always
@@Vondakay You're most welcome
Im happy asf that u released a new vid im close to finishing all ur vids
I’ve heard sometimes people binge watch all my videos. I try to upload every 4 days and the videos are between 8-14 mins. Thanks for watching!!!
I started playing brawhalla a few months after the greatsword meta, and still I knew a lot of it a few months into playing the game, it was just such a meta shattering thing that happened and you know what, I kinda liked that it did, there’s like a certain essence, like “what if the next weapon is like greatsword” which is a question we will all ways ponder after that.
I think it was definitely the most meta Shattering weapon to be released. Battle boots is super strong but not on the levels of release Greatsword I don’t think
Greatsword shall rise once more
THE REVOLUTION SHALL RISE
Love ur videos. It's rlly interesting
Thanks! I appreciate it. Wish I could've made this one a bit longer but Couldn't think of anything!
I need to see the luna vid. I didn't like him at first but I def starting to like as a competitor, he puts in the work fs. so do you mr. kay
I will promise !!!
i really think that the brawlhalla youtube community really needed a youtube channel like this. most brawlhalla youtubers would always make me super bored, its so great having a channel that is not just someone playing brawl while trying to make a proper sentence. but keep doing man, great videos
I use to get comments like this way back in the beginning of the new channel! I started the channel after some of the same realizations you are having. Thank you so much for watching and I hope they only get better for everyone and you.
this is very true, I was main cross for 1 year and could not get diamond there I decided to test the magyar right and amazingly I managed to get magyar diamond in 2 weeks and ended up turning main magyar (sorry for bad english im brasilian)
No worries I read it just fine.. Greatsword did wonders for some people
Mano, eu também sou main magyar como é seu estilo de jogor e qual dica você dar para mim que estou no diamante?
I really like Mako's kit for some reason, its so easy to read people, I think it is still pretty good (greatsword)
Minor correction at 2:10 when you explain advantage and disadvantage state: I think what you explained was plus and minus on attacks or frame advantage/disadvantage, advantage/disadvantage state is a bit different
true but he simplified it for the sake of the wider audience target, he doesn't need to get to the crooks of it and get geeky
I had used the literal most basic definition possible so people could understand yes
ngl it would be cool for you to cover cannon since it got a massive change way back and onyx was a demon on release it would be cool to see you make a vid about it
There is actually a cannon video I made in the past. Xull should be on the cover but I can always do better covering the weapons.
Gs has the most satisfying game gameplay I mained it for a good while ps* since you're still looking for a reason to do the blasters vid I'll ask for the history of spear since it's in the meta
ahhh you have become smarter with every passing day. However I think blasters is more entertaining... We are only missing our hook to mention it.
Greatsword didn’t just break brawlhalla.. it broke me 😔
I survived the madness I am sorry soldier
I really wish bmg would take the time to rework the weapon properly instead of giving it random intermittent buffs, the way the starters and bridgers work is not well balanced at all.
I think they do their bessst.... Maybe??? They probably do with the buffs but I think GS is in a good spot rn and I love the mechanics of the weapon
Well from the perspective of someone who doesn't play the weapon often, that would make sense. But I play gs all the time, and there's a huge problem with how overreliant the weapon is on a few select moves.
Slight opener and dlight bridger are busted, but dlight opener and slight bridger suck fat balls. There's a bunch of ways they could fix this, but it would take a huge redesign.
greatsword never broke brawlhalla, brawlhalla has always worked
Greatsword deserved it's first set of nerfs but outright killing the weapon is something bmg should've never done.
With all the nerfs they really killed Greatsword. Nowadays i hardly see anyone using it. Except for the occasional Arcadia here and there. Other than that pretty much no Jaeyuns, no Makos, and espicially NO MAGYARS
Nice video
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Leader? Merry Christmas to you too
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gs main here, like lvl 80 mako rn lol, missed the golden era of gs, it was like just free elo, even with the horrible nerf after magyar i still had fun using it, and after the buff with arcadia i could play rank again with gs, imo battle boots are going the same path, those are like gauntlets 2 but buffed, knowing bmg, next tourney with battle boots players will make bmg nerf them "slightly" and buffed again later on like usual
Level 80 on Mako is absolutely wild. Also I like that you used Golden Era of GS. I like Arcadia and Jaeyun for now.
LESSSGOOOOOP HARDY TOP GGGG
Damn I was just getting good at gs now I’m being told it’s unplayable and bad😞 great vid per usual tho
lmao, the weapon is just fine! it's just a very tiny shadow towards what it use to be.
Battle boots: Our battle shall be legendary!
I love Tai Lung.
This, uh, aged poorly 😅.
That's not to say this isn't an entertaining video, or that it was completely wrong. It's just that vondakay, at least at the time, may have not had the full information on what the deal with GS was. So as someone who has played the weapon since release, let me fill in some of the gaps for those who weren't around to see what an absolute terror it was.
First off, GS neutral. This weapon was UNPUNISHABLE. Like, take bow slight, then cut off half the recovery frames, but then give it the range of hammer slight. That was what GS slight was. Spamming this move was a viable strategy. One of my favorite things to do as Jaeyun was to knock them offstage and spam slight-nsig at the ledge. The gap was so small and the hitbixes so big that I don't think a single person ever got past it (which is why I reserved it for toxic players only). Oh yeah, Jaeyun sigs were even better back then as well. Sword ssig was literally shang spear ssig with teros force, while GS nsig was literally the best sig in the game. No, I am not exaggerating.
Then there was recovery. That thing had the force of a signature and a hitbox to match. Gs rec is already massive in it's current state, so it is pretty hard to believe it being bigger back in the day, but it was. It could literally kill in orange. And was impossible to punish. EU BCX was literally just both players spamming rec, with the exception of pavelski who actually learned the weapon and beat everyone else because of it.
Then there's the timing. For every new tech that is discovered, counterplay soon develops. But with GS only coming into the limelight just before BCX, there wasn't time to develop any of that, leanding to GS players getting away with things they shouldn't have. Heck, most players wouldn't even want to develop counterplay when they could just also play greatsword and be at a massive advantage. To be fair, there are some things that may have been more real than I thought, I can't exactly check it because I don't have a way to try that patch (but I would pay good money to...). But I will say many of the strings used back then are jumpable now, whether they were jumpable back then I don't know.
Really, the number one thing that changed for greatsword after BCX was that a HUGE amount of recovery frames were added on just about every attack, as well as multiple hitbox reductions and damage/force reductions to recovery especially. What was left was... Interesting, to say the least, but that's another story.
So why was the balance of GS so bad? To be honest, I don't think BMG themselves knew the potential this weapon had. It was new and exciting, and I think they expected a different playstyle with it as well. I distinctly remember them showing it off for the first time and mentioning that you could dash out of the stances for GS, it was talked about very little. It kind of went like "hey, look at these strings! Oh yeah, you could dash to cancel a stance, but look at these strings!". A very similar thing happened with scythe if what I've heard is to be believed. So I don't think it was intentional, just a disconnect between how they thought it would be played vs how it ended up being played.
Again, thanks to Vondakay for making this video, while there was lots of missing information I can't say anything he said was objectively wrong, and he made it entertaining.
One last thing for anyone still reading this massive wall of text, if you still aren't convinced of how unbelievably broken GS was, watch Hardy MJ vs Lil Capped at BCX 2020. Should really put into perspective the absolutely massive gap in power between GS and everything else.
Hey, at 4:32, you have favourited characters at the top of the roster? How do you do that? Is it a mod?
nope. you can select them in different ways. For desktop you press 1 while hovering the character.
@@Vondakay Awesome thanks!
Vond post a day keeps the doctors away
a day??? Post a day???? That would be cool If I was super human
this video should be titled how greatsword is scythe/lance greatest competitor
bruh predicted the sandstorm shenanigans at winters
I'm already a season ahead of you guys on the Brawlhalla show
@@Vondakay who's winning springs?
gs main here 😏(you have summoned me)
I actually summoned people who use the other weapon on GS characters but play GS as the back up sorry
I used greatsword since its release got me diamond 3 times i still love the weapon
Have you tried the new tutorial challenges?
Greatsword in its prime in brawl is like kazuya and steve in smash, terrible to play against but dope to watch
Yeah Greatsword is satisfying when they get the huge reads. Same with Kazuyas juggles into recovery
4:33 The first three characters have a star with them and are out of place. How can I do this? 😮
You can now favorite characters in the game! The way to however is different depending on your platform, I think it's left Ctrl for PC, but I know it's R3 (Press the right stick) for consoles
@@plvto1 I only play on PC. In the 2v2 menu I found an inscription that "1" adds to favorites and it works for me.
Gs meta was insanely broken
anyone else waiting for "How Battle Boots actually Broke Brawlhalla" or just me
Talking about them right now would be such a mess but give it 2 years
@@Vondakay tru tru
God I love greatsword
Same
Whats the background music for 3:00 ??
All music is in the description. I believe it’s “Secrets Beneath the Pages - Lunziestella”
@@Vondakay I meant 3:02 sorry, it's not in the description I don't think
uuu im not sure if greatsword was legal autumn i think it was starting with mammoth cup
It was legal potentially even before Autumns but no one made top 32 with it. Autumn I believe only one person played it.
i rather be vortexed somehow by an unarmed than a greatsword, thats how much i hate that thing when it got sweaty
Mannn getting hit by dair off stage from un armed is world ending. The recovery break sound haunts me.
Greatsword get buffed, i am hopeless ⚰️
It has been buffed recently so you may be in a good spot
with greatsword in 2020 you were either getting clipped or clipping someone
BHo
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Wait , Luna is better then sandstorm ? Since when ?
That's what I'm sayin
Yo vod I have secret greatsword tech that nobody ever uses
What is it 😳
gs needs really a rework:
you know, the weapon is way too fast. What i mean by that, is that a huge amount of players can't even dodge even if they can absolutely do it. I don't think that is good thing to let it go in brawlhalla
what i suggest is to slow it down. to carry gs too, it should be also more of stun to compensate the slow move.
meanwhile, i've wanted to add more of a spicy gameplay for grounded moves on gs. There is way too much useless string. It's sad to not be able to do these moves as often as i would and only playing the main string, i.e the unjumpable one.
without talking about aerial moves, if bmg add this rework to the game, i'm pretty sure that would make the gs fit into the game and being more of a fair weapon.
btw your videos still very good :)
WIKALE!!!! The magyar main has spoken!! Thank you glad you stick around
I like it the way it is
any wep with decent range just beats greatsword's ass for good
It's still too broken. It's like playing saxton hale alone.
the same is cannon and still it is. One dodge read and boom
That’s all it takes. Sometimes I just don’t dodge and wait for them to drop it.
Tip for you as a cannon main. Dodge up at every attack except sair. You have to look at the situation to counter sair because some players are good at catching players after sair miss.
killing on cannon with one dodge read is not as easy as it sounds
you need to be on a small stage and pretty much close to one of the edges. You also have to pray that they dont dodge up while setting up a read, because its literally impossible to get a dodge read thats more than 2 hits if your opponent dodges up. Then you also have to hit the dodge read at a somewhat exact damage range or your opponent can just jump out of sair > recovery. 90% of the time when you try the 0 to death you have to read your opponent yet again, because you werent close enough to the edge. And the last read isusually with a sig or sair, but its insanely inconsistent if your opponent just jumps high enough or knows how to avoid it. The 0 to death isnt even a 100% safe option either if you discard all of the issues I mentioned, because you can just wake up with a fast unarmed move like nair, dair, gc nlight, gc dlight and gc slight or any other very quick move like gaunts or sword gc nlight. sometimes your opponent can even randomly jump out.
Hardymj would like to battle
On the basketball court he’ll find me
:)
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why is hardymj banned?
He said some things on twitter
@@Vondakay Oh shit i remember
actually Vondakay has a separate video on the topic
He isn’t banned anymore, iirc
brawlhalla
Ball halla
Thoughts on hitler?
Pretty sure someone made a hitler Skin mod one time and posted it to Twitter with no other context other than saying it looked cool. Only time I’ve seen him mentioned with brawl…. As for me personally I think he was a bit mental.
Bro greatsword is really hard to use
Take some time with it. Use the tutorial and you’ll learn. The entry barrier to learn as well as the climb up is significantly more difficult compared to other weapons for sure. The main advantage of Greatsword is no one else knows how it works either in most Elos
@@Vondakay yeah bro, it is also hard to counter thats why im using it😁
Do not add this guy to your discord pls
*Dinosaur*
Nerf greatsword
Not a plat 😭
Working on it big G
funnily enough, the greatsword nerfs that happened in 2021 weren't actually that bad. sandstorm even said that after the initial nerfs he still considered it the best weapon. it was more so what happened to other weapons that made it fall from it's throne.
Wonder how it will turn out in the new patch. Probably just fine. I think the weapon is really strong as of this moment.
@@Vondakay the weapon has always been strong imo. but we shall see how these buff affect lebron’s legacy.
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hardymj propaganda video 🙏
Greatsword needs buffs neow
Greatsword is trash rn it needs ada
Ada needs buffs
@@Vondakay Obviously she is the worst in the game and she has blasters which makes her even more worse
greatsword should not be nerfed but completeley removed from the game. its a shit design and dosn´t suit the game
I think the design is original and nice to see new things added but it comes off as very out of place at first