it wont be, people just don't know math. It will have close to the same capacity as Leviathan. Its not about trains or seats, its about riders per hour. Leviathan takes 3 minutes from start to finish when you consider being stuck in the brake run. Alpen Fury takes just over 1 minute. You can run 3x the trains in the same time through the system. You take away a lifthill that takes more than a minute to crest and being stuck in the brake run with a 3rd train you can run many many more trains per hour. All that matters is that dispatch is fast. Hopefully no seatbelts and things should move quick.
7:39 I really hope it's no lockers. The parkfinally got rid of the ones at Guardian. We don't need more. Yukon/Guardian's new bin system is great. Happy to have that, if that's what the park does.
I think the lockers are more because of the loose article policiy that this one will have to adopt unless they put nets over all the paths which will just suck.
I feel a way to work the capacity which would be a headache for sure especially the long line. Offer free lockers for loose articles? But do it like velocicoaster have ppl place their things in locker right before the staircase to the station. This way guests can have their phones for photos and phone things lol. Then u hopefully eliminate the need for netting at photo op areas. As a former op at wonderland their biggest issue is guests taking their sweet time with their loading and unloading. If u look at (it's been a minute since I've operated at wonderland) backlot stunt coaster the op starts ur ride with "quickly take ur seats and pull ur restraints as the doors are now closing!"
I agree with this. Also, not sure if they have room for it, but having some kind of preshow room in the queue like the Harry Potter rides would also help.
Hopefully, there are now a few rides across both sides of the Six Flags/Cedar chain in the last couple years have implemented double sided lockers. off top of my head Steel Vengeance, El Tore, Dr Diabolical. I have been saying that this needs to happen to many rides across the chains greatly improving dispatch times and customer satisfaction chain wide.
For the most part, I agree with these points. The two train thing as well as the “no airtime” critique. You actually touched on a point I was about to make in the comments at the end of the video. After you mentioned Leviathan’s RPH, it only strengthened my point about the bins. I really hope we don’t get the traditional bins for this ride because I’ve noticed that the reasons dispatches are so slow is because guests take time to put away their loose articles which also makes me hope the trains are good. As for the airtime thing, I’ve actually seen that more people are quite happy with it not having much airtime but for the people who are complaining about there not being airtime: as someone who loves it, I have to respectfully ask. Why do you want MORE when you already have two big rides in the park that give more than enough airtime?? Not everyone likes airtime that much. Like Brendon said, an inversion based coaster was what the park was lacking. We have quite enough airtime at the park in comparison lol.
I agree on all fronts! Also, regarding the inversions bit - how is that even a concern 😂 I agree completely that after all of our B&M airtime machines, this is exactly what we need!
I don't think the capacity numbers will be as large an issue as people are worried about. That is unless they're down to one train. Which would be awful. AlpenFury is pretty much exactly what CW needed. The coaster adds so much to the skyline of the park. It'll be amazing. Then next I hope they rip out Time Warp and Flight Deck to build a new style coaster that would mirror the placement of Levithan. The front gate would look so epic with the three coasters all meeting near there.
The inversion argument is just wrong as I’ve heard people say it does five of the same inversions in a row on the return run and that’s just wrong, the only repeat is the two back to back corkscrews and they are both profiled very differently anyways. The capacity argument is also pretty silly because I’ve only seen it compared to our B and M coasters but they are the best capacity machines in the industry so of course they’re better but I’m personally glad we’re not getting a fourth. Also alpenfury will be surrounded by 5 other coasters, all with worse capacity, it might actually provide some relief for rides like fly, thunder run, guardian, the bat and vortex
My biggest complaint is lack of theming. All the teasing with the whole Dragon Vs. Yeti thing in the trailers, and an incredible backstory for the ride, yet it seems to be totally absent from the ride itself. I wasn't expecting Expedition Everest or anything here, but I wish there was SOMETHING inside the mountain other than just a tunnel. Even the cue/load station being outdoors instead of using any pre-existing areas and pathways in the mountain seems like it could have had better theming. The first portion of the old Walkway was indoors, I realize the outdoor portion can't be used anymore but I was pretty confident the old entrance was going to be incorporated and we'd get some decent thematic stuff.
Alpine Fury looks like my new favorite coaster. All the right moves from Raptor and Steel Vengeance rolled into one -- hope it's as whippy as the animation!
Feels like everyone is just parroting the exact same opinion about this coaster. Just a bunch of ambulance chasers to me. But pleasantly surprised at how much positive attention CW is getting over this new addition. That skyline while driving passed the park on 400 is gonna be out of this world
4:02 If you are referring to TT2 as one of the new coasters that don't use seatbelts anymore, someone pointed out that one of the trains had seatbelts right before the announcement that TT2 won't be reopening this year.
I know that many enthusiasts have been complaining about stacking at the park this season. Adding a 3rd train to AlpenFury could dramatically increase the chances of the coaster stacking. More trains is not always better. I do agree with the idea of having a 3rd train for maintenance reasons though.
I fully agree that the ride should have a spare train if they’re planning to run two trains operation. But I agree more with ElToroRyan that they should have added an unload station like on Millenium Force to add another block zone to have a three train operation. This would especially help since the trains are hard to get in and out of.
For those complaining about this coaster being low to the ground, you have not checked out Maverick at Cedarpoint. This coaster is badass, and if Alpen Fury is anything like Maverick, it will be wild.
I disagree about the inversions not being repetitive. After the turnaround, there's a roll, and then another roll...and then another roll, followed by another roll. Then an actual airtime hill that hopefully might provide some much needed powerful ejector...and then another roll. The rolls are planned out in a unique way, but we're afraid they'll all feel the same. I think a better counter is to point out how everyone loves repetitive airtime hills. The inversions are repetitive after the turnaround, but that won't be a problem because they'll probably be airtime packed and fun still. Repetition isn't a bad thing if the repetition is fun!
Theres alot of butthurt KD fans not to mention the unwarranted hate CW gets from Americans sorry for being harsh but Im trying to be honest by the way Great analysis I agree whole heartedly
Do you think that having a launch in the mountain with a tight tunnel will have a negative impact on inspection/maintenance for the 2nd launch? Will it be harder for maintenance to check it if it goes down? Will there be a staff door to reach the segment? One more question, will there be any lighting or effects on the 2nd launch besides the fire effect on the top of the mountain?
6:23 - you left out how many riders will puke in your calculations. I saw 2 people puke on Yukon (which stacks all 3 trains) and 1 puke on Behemoth (again stacks) just this week. If people cant handle B&M it scares me what results for Alpen may look like
Don't lie to us or yourself. There is no way in hell this gets RPH of 1000. For it to have a chance, it would need 3 trains and a separate unload station (like CW existing Premier launch coaster). There is no reason it shouldn't have had the capacity for 3 trains. Besides cost cutting. It still has a very good chance of being Premier's best coaster.
I think the people that says that the inversions are repetitive only watched the pov. The rolls are done differently enough that they should feel different. Honestly, wouldn’t even be angry if they add a jojo roll at the start and end it with four heartline rolls at the end like those Intamin 10 inversion coasters.
I think the layout looks awesome, I was surprised!! Aside from the capacity issue I think the train design could be an issue and it would be great to see something soon to give some reassurance. Skyrocket at Kennywood is a great ride by premier but the trains are really uncomfortable. The negative comments I've read seem to be mostly just jealousy. I do hope the ride turns out to be a real enthusiast pleaser and puts the park on the map just to shut up some of the nay sayers.
Another way to calculate ride capacity would be 60/(Minimum Load Time in decimal minutes)*(Train Capacity). The minimum load time is the longest time it takes to clear a block zone
The most important thing the park can do is streamline the operation. No lose articles whatsoever. This will help with load/unload times. Do we know where the transfer track will be, to store trains? Could they store trains inside the mountain? I'm trying to visualize where they would put a building to accommodate 2 trains, without it looking over crowded. I do wish this was a bit longer. I like the layout, the inversions, the theming. CW will definitely need to have a top team of crew members running this attraction. Even keep a supervisor on site.
I'll be the first to say this. I bet the lineup for Alpen fury will be tunneled under the mountain. And the entrance to the line will be through the big wooden door on the Northeast side of the mountain, behind the waterfall. Right now this door has the Alpen fury logo on it. The theming through the line will tell the story as you embark into the mountain. How cool would that be??
This coaster is going to be a top top tier coaster for sure. No one should be doubting anything about it right now. Only thing of concern is wonderland has horrible operations EVERYWHERE in the park for everything. And its only grtting MUCH worse yesr over year.
Appreciate you making this video but really not necessary. People will complain about anything. Complaining about too many inversions, repetitive elements, lack of air time and without even riding it...are you kidding me man? All I know for sure is that it passes the eye test...it looks impressive. Still can't believe how they're building this ride in places you wouldn't think could fit one. And CW isn't stupid...im pretty sure they've thought about capacity and all that sht. The fact that another major coaster is being added will already help with capacity and distribute the load between the other major rides
This ride time is very similar to Full Throttle and the same trains, and it's theoretical capacity is 800. I honestly think the realistic capacity of Alpenfury will be closer to 720 when you account for operations and guests
This ride is likely going to have a more narrow fanbase. i know many coaster fans who can't handle inversions or launch coasters. They may also limit shorter riders due to train style. If Premier is really that smooth, perhaps they could re-track or rebuild the trains for Backlot. That ride hasn't aged well.
U guys are worrying too much about the new Coaster ....! Im sure Maintenance has everything under control ...! There be more than 2 trains for sure probably totally 5 trains all back up just i. Case of break downs
Honestly I think that some people are just mad that this did not go to king’s domain so they are complaining about every little thing they see. Also I checked the park calendar and wonderland is open into novermber this year not for winterfest, do you know why. It only says it’s on the website though.
It’s cause alpenfury got the idea of launching into and out of a mountain from volcano, which was an iconic coaster there, and removing it was devastating for some ppl. As someone that goes to KD often I don’t mind alpenfury nor rapterra additions, I personally think KD needs to more their coaster investments on B&M coasters that ppl will love rather than something extreme that mainly coaster enthusiasts would love
@@isaiahkehoe4295 yes they don’t need anymore intense coasters for a while i305 or project 305 is to intense for people I get that this is similar to volcano but people need to understand that this is a better fit for wonderland and rapttera is a better fit for kings dominion.
Don't care about capacity I'm just happy we get a new world class coaster. I'm just concerned about the repetitive inversions (its true cmon it a bit too much) and possible boring launch. We'll have to see
The return trip is literally three of the same exact inversions. Plus I love how this dude only does his actual research on premier when his home park getting one😭😭😭 everyone knows that premier is hella smooth besides u bruh, or at least till now so that u can try to make this coaster seem like it’s a 10/10 addition for the park
@@AmusementInsiders u can almost count maverick horseshoe roll as one element bruh. Plus those three inversions are literally the entire return trip back to the station. Great first half but lackluster second half, Canadas wonderland once again underperforms
Forgive my GP perspective, but can you point out the 9 inversions in a video? Others have mentioned, and I’ve watched it over and over and can only see 8.
I don’t get the hate for this , can’t everyone just be excited that parks are building new coasters again after the last few years of tough times through Covid/ poor results etc.
@@flsxhszn2827 Doubtful. CW has no other extreme coaster running during Winterfest right now. It'll be agressive on your face when its zero or below plus the temperatures won't do any favours for the ride's durability.
Don't understand why people don't like seatbelts on coasters. It gives the gp peace of mind. Without them a lot of people wouldn't ride them. Enthusiasts only seem to knock them, probably because there spoiled when it comes to rides and them Parkes.
I think the lack of airtime concern is valid. I do wish there was another airtime hill or two with EJECTOR air, something our other airtime coasters do NOT have. I think I'll love this ride but I also feel I would enjoy it more with more airtime. I'd rather have 3 well rounded coasters rather than 3 specialized coasters for airtime, inversions, and speed for example. It makes for a better and more varied experience. Most of the consensus top coasters in the world have a variety of elements, not just a specific gimmic.
He thinks there might be upside down ejector which isn't the traditional airtime most people refer to and he's not even sure about it as it's hard to confirm compared to traditional airtime. Until we ride it we won't know but there isn't a lot of obvious ejector airtime, even if you'd like to believe different based off of one person's guess. Ever heard of confirmation bias? In the end I hope he's right but don't be so sure just because you want to believe it. All we've seen is a render afterall
Can't wait for the Alrighty intro when news gets out that Cedar Fair bought Marineland. Allegedly, yes they bought it all. And unfortunately the animals are still there.
it just looks so repetitive. like jesus christ man it’s just the same rolling inversions over and over and over and over. im not worried about it being bad cause its gonna be a good ride but this park NEEDS something elite and well this ain’t that
@@briano9397i’m just wondering why wonderland went with this when they have major holes in their line up. they need: - a world class elite coaster - ejector airtime - a good woodie - a good invert this ride fills none of those major holes which is why so many people think this park is a joke. it’s like they’d rather go for gimmicks rather than build quality rides that they actually need
@@zachzekisthe ride definitely fills a major hole you forgot to add an actual launch coaster and it’s even better that it’s a launch coaster with a lot of inversions cause they lack a lot of inversions
This is a good point. The growth of pay per ride fast lane was mentioned at the investor call last week as a strategy to bring in more money. "Guest spending on extra-charge products during the period was up 1%, driven in large part by increased Fast Lane sales, which benefited from the broad rollout of our new single ride Fast Lane product.."
@CaptureKing247 have you used fast lane? Operations does place a priority for* those with fast lane. It comes down to $ and CW is in business to make $
@@billybob33366 Have you visited parks outside of Wonderland? I understand Wonderland wants to make money, but not at the expense of making fast lane customers unhappy. Did you know Cedar Point had to put a restriction on TT2 for Fast Lane because they knew both lines would be too long? So I don't believe Wonderland purposely doesn't care about capacity because they only want to sell more fast lane. Maybe Cedar Fair will adopt Flash Pass virtual cue appointment system
936 on Maverick thanks ELtororyan
The capacity seems to be the main concern.
it wont be, people just don't know math. It will have close to the same capacity as Leviathan. Its not about trains or seats, its about riders per hour. Leviathan takes 3 minutes from start to finish when you consider being stuck in the brake run. Alpen Fury takes just over 1 minute. You can run 3x the trains in the same time through the system. You take away a lifthill that takes more than a minute to crest and being stuck in the brake run with a 3rd train you can run many many more trains per hour. All that matters is that dispatch is fast. Hopefully no seatbelts and things should move quick.
@@robmausserAdd lockers and metal detectors and then we are talking
It's going to be a sad day if you ever start a video with anything other than Alrighty
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My kids just call him alrighty at this point
We just met him.. and my son walked away and immediately said "ALLLLRIGHTYYYYY!" 😂
The capacity is a huge issue, but I don’t mind the inversions.
7:39 I really hope it's no lockers. The parkfinally got rid of the ones at Guardian. We don't need more. Yukon/Guardian's new bin system is great. Happy to have that, if that's what the park does.
I think the lockers are more because of the loose article policiy that this one will have to adopt unless they put nets over all the paths which will just suck.
@unseeninja If it's mini lockers like on Twisted Timbers or Steel Vengeance, I'd be just fine with that. Those are great (and, importantly, free).
The ride looks bada$$ hands down.
I feel a way to work the capacity which would be a headache for sure especially the long line. Offer free lockers for loose articles? But do it like velocicoaster have ppl place their things in locker right before the staircase to the station. This way guests can have their phones for photos and phone things lol. Then u hopefully eliminate the need for netting at photo op areas.
As a former op at wonderland their biggest issue is guests taking their sweet time with their loading and unloading. If u look at (it's been a minute since I've operated at wonderland) backlot stunt coaster the op starts ur ride with "quickly take ur seats and pull ur restraints as the doors are now closing!"
I agree with this. Also, not sure if they have room for it, but having some kind of preshow room in the queue like the Harry Potter rides would also help.
@JasmineDreams knowing wonderland that maybe asking too much however they did say most expensive addition so u never know lol
Hopefully, there are now a few rides across both sides of the Six Flags/Cedar chain in the last couple years have implemented double sided lockers. off top of my head Steel Vengeance, El Tore, Dr Diabolical. I have been saying that this needs to happen to many rides across the chains greatly improving dispatch times and customer satisfaction chain wide.
@troyvsc all things considered I'd take the yukon cubbies all day if lockers aren't done haha
@@petershieldsofficial Yep anything better than cubbies across the station creating a congestion.
For the most part, I agree with these points. The two train thing as well as the “no airtime” critique. You actually touched on a point I was about to make in the comments at the end of the video. After you mentioned Leviathan’s RPH, it only strengthened my point about the bins. I really hope we don’t get the traditional bins for this ride because I’ve noticed that the reasons dispatches are so slow is because guests take time to put away their loose articles which also makes me hope the trains are good.
As for the airtime thing, I’ve actually seen that more people are quite happy with it not having much airtime but for the people who are complaining about there not being airtime: as someone who loves it, I have to respectfully ask. Why do you want MORE when you already have two big rides in the park that give more than enough airtime?? Not everyone likes airtime that much. Like Brendon said, an inversion based coaster was what the park was lacking. We have quite enough airtime at the park in comparison lol.
Definitely missed the inversion focused ride, but we do however need something with some good ejector airtime
@@SugarFreeLatte I can get by that tbh.
I agree on all fronts! Also, regarding the inversions bit - how is that even a concern 😂 I agree completely that after all of our B&M airtime machines, this is exactly what we need!
I don't think the capacity numbers will be as large an issue as people are worried about. That is unless they're down to one train. Which would be awful. AlpenFury is pretty much exactly what CW needed. The coaster adds so much to the skyline of the park. It'll be amazing.
Then next I hope they rip out Time Warp and Flight Deck to build a new style coaster that would mirror the placement of Levithan. The front gate would look so epic with the three coasters all meeting near there.
I hope they paint the mountain because I personally think it looks like concrete. What colors are they using the ones in the trailer or the animation?
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The inversion argument is just wrong as I’ve heard people say it does five of the same inversions in a row on the return run and that’s just wrong, the only repeat is the two back to back corkscrews and they are both profiled very differently anyways. The capacity argument is also pretty silly because I’ve only seen it compared to our B and M coasters but they are the best capacity machines in the industry so of course they’re better but I’m personally glad we’re not getting a fourth. Also alpenfury will be surrounded by 5 other coasters, all with worse capacity, it might actually provide some relief for rides like fly, thunder run, guardian, the bat and vortex
My biggest complaint is lack of theming. All the teasing with the whole Dragon Vs. Yeti thing in the trailers, and an incredible backstory for the ride, yet it seems to be totally absent from the ride itself. I wasn't expecting Expedition Everest or anything here, but I wish there was SOMETHING inside the mountain other than just a tunnel. Even the cue/load station being outdoors instead of using any pre-existing areas and pathways in the mountain seems like it could have had better theming. The first portion of the old Walkway was indoors, I realize the outdoor portion can't be used anymore but I was pretty confident the old entrance was going to be incorporated and we'd get some decent thematic stuff.
Alpine Fury looks like my new favorite coaster. All the right moves from Raptor and Steel Vengeance rolled into one -- hope it's as whippy as the animation!
Feels like everyone is just parroting the exact same opinion about this coaster. Just a bunch of ambulance chasers to me. But pleasantly surprised at how much positive attention CW is getting over this new addition. That skyline while driving passed the park on 400 is gonna be out of this world
YT generation. Not an original thot in their heads.
4:02 If you are referring to TT2 as one of the new coasters that don't use seatbelts anymore, someone pointed out that one of the trains had seatbelts right before the announcement that TT2 won't be reopening this year.
I know that many enthusiasts have been complaining about stacking at the park this season. Adding a 3rd train to AlpenFury could dramatically increase the chances of the coaster stacking. More trains is not always better.
I do agree with the idea of having a 3rd train for maintenance reasons though.
The capacity complaints have been so loud and numerous, I'd be shocked if Grace or anyone else with Wonderland hadn't given it a second thought.
I fully agree that the ride should have a spare train if they’re planning to run two trains operation. But I agree more with ElToroRyan that they should have added an unload station like on Millenium Force to add another block zone to have a three train operation. This would especially help since the trains are hard to get in and out of.
For those complaining about this coaster being low to the ground, you have not checked out Maverick at Cedarpoint. This coaster is badass, and if Alpen Fury is anything like Maverick, it will be wild.
I disagree about the inversions not being repetitive. After the turnaround, there's a roll, and then another roll...and then another roll, followed by another roll. Then an actual airtime hill that hopefully might provide some much needed powerful ejector...and then another roll. The rolls are planned out in a unique way, but we're afraid they'll all feel the same. I think a better counter is to point out how everyone loves repetitive airtime hills. The inversions are repetitive after the turnaround, but that won't be a problem because they'll probably be airtime packed and fun still. Repetition isn't a bad thing if the repetition is fun!
I am so excited for this new coaster and I agree that it is just what the park needed! Thanks for all of your great content, and analysis!
Theres alot of butthurt KD fans not to mention the unwarranted hate CW gets from Americans sorry for being harsh but Im trying to be honest by the way Great analysis I agree whole heartedly
Do you think that having a launch in the mountain with a tight tunnel will have a negative impact on inspection/maintenance for the 2nd launch? Will it be harder for maintenance to check it if it goes down? Will there be a staff door to reach the segment?
One more question, will there be any lighting or effects on the 2nd launch besides the fire effect on the top of the mountain?
6:23 - you left out how many riders will puke in your calculations. I saw 2 people puke on Yukon (which stacks all 3 trains) and 1 puke on Behemoth (again stacks) just this week. If people cant handle B&M it scares me what results for Alpen may look like
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Don't lie to us or yourself. There is no way in hell this gets RPH of 1000.
For it to have a chance, it would need 3 trains and a separate unload station (like CW existing Premier launch coaster).
There is no reason it shouldn't have had the capacity for 3 trains. Besides cost cutting.
It still has a very good chance of being Premier's best coaster.
I think the people that says that the inversions are repetitive only watched the pov. The rolls are done differently enough that they should feel different.
Honestly, wouldn’t even be angry if they add a jojo roll at the start and end it with four heartline rolls at the end like those Intamin 10 inversion coasters.
Great video! Thanks for going over the potential cons in detail with straight forward, reasonable thought. So far, the pros outweigh the cons I think.
Maverick also has four trains and unloads/loads two trains per time, although I hope this ride doesn't have nearly as much downtime as Maverick does.
I think the layout looks awesome, I was surprised!! Aside from the capacity issue I think the train design could be an issue and it would be great to see something soon to give some reassurance. Skyrocket at Kennywood is a great ride by premier but the trains are really uncomfortable. The negative comments I've read seem to be mostly just jealousy. I do hope the ride turns out to be a real enthusiast pleaser and puts the park on the map just to shut up some of the nay sayers.
3:17 don't need jomboy on this "oh..F......"😂😂😂
So will this ride have shin guards?
Also Do you actually feel secure enough in a premier coaster like this type?
Canada's Wonderland must have made the executive decision that the massive line-up will make other areas of the park more enjoyable 😂
Another way to calculate ride capacity would be 60/(Minimum Load Time in decimal minutes)*(Train Capacity). The minimum load time is the longest time it takes to clear a block zone
When will you be doing an update for Canada's wonderland tonight or tomorrow
The most important thing the park can do is streamline the operation. No lose articles whatsoever. This will help with load/unload times.
Do we know where the transfer track will be, to store trains? Could they store trains inside the mountain? I'm trying to visualize where they would put a building to accommodate 2 trains, without it looking over crowded. I do wish this was a bit longer. I like the layout, the inversions, the theming. CW will definitely need to have a top team of crew members running this attraction. Even keep a supervisor on site.
I'll be the first to say this. I bet the lineup for Alpen fury will be tunneled under the mountain. And the entrance to the line will be through the big wooden door on the Northeast side of the mountain, behind the waterfall. Right now this door has the Alpen fury logo on it. The theming through the line will tell the story as you embark into the mountain. How cool would that be??
It has to be newer coaster enthusiasts that crap on Premier because Premier is a very underrated coaster manufacturer with great roller coasters.
This coaster is going to be a top top tier coaster for sure.
No one should be doubting anything about it right now.
Only thing of concern is wonderland has horrible operations EVERYWHERE in the park for everything. And its only grtting MUCH worse yesr over year.
Appreciate you making this video but really not necessary. People will complain about anything. Complaining about too many inversions, repetitive elements, lack of air time and without even riding it...are you kidding me man? All I know for sure is that it passes the eye test...it looks impressive. Still can't believe how they're building this ride in places you wouldn't think could fit one.
And CW isn't stupid...im pretty sure they've thought about capacity and all that sht. The fact that another major coaster is being added will already help with capacity and distribute the load between the other major rides
I'm too excited to dump on this ride 😮❤
This ride time is very similar to Full Throttle and the same trains, and it's theoretical capacity is 800. I honestly think the realistic capacity of Alpenfury will be closer to 720 when you account for operations and guests
I think it'll be one of the best coasters in the world
Curious how they are going to handle the fast pass line with limited capacity
They will probably make it fast pass premium only
Too many inversions is a fault because so many people will get sick and won’t even take the chance to ride it in the first place
This ride is likely going to have a more narrow fanbase. i know many coaster fans who can't handle inversions or launch coasters. They may also limit shorter riders due to train style. If Premier is really that smooth, perhaps they could re-track or rebuild the trains for Backlot. That ride hasn't aged well.
If there is a locker and metal detector system, some people will decide not to ride if they have to stand in line without their phone for 2 - 3 hours
For capacity this definitely needs lockers amd metal detectors. Also I feel Fastlane merds to ome use per day like Top Thrill 2
No lift hill makes the third train less necessary. Lose a lot of time on a chain.
They JUST installed the bin train in Guardian this year. My bet is they would go that route.
Wait... Why isn't time warp in the background of the trailer? PLEASE DON'T REMOVE MY BELOVED!
Does that mean Alpine Fury will have lap bars only? Looks total badass. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I find it difficult to believe that such a busy park wouldn’t run 3 trains (especially considering the limited capacity of 18 each)
when he said guest habits he means(in my words): People are stupid ha
there is NO WAY this will make more than 1000 people/hour. Guests take forever to get on board.
U guys are worrying too much about the new Coaster ....! Im sure Maintenance has everything under control ...! There be more than 2 trains for sure probably totally 5 trains all back up just i. Case of break downs
These trains suck, Thats it, everything is perfect
I hope they put a limit on fast lane (e.g. 1 or 2 rides per day), at least for the first year
Probably only available to fast lane plus which is limited
Honestly I think that some people are just mad that this did not go to king’s domain so they are complaining about every little thing they see. Also I checked the park calendar and wonderland is open into novermber this year not for winterfest, do you know why. It only says it’s on the website though.
if i was a kings dominion fan i wouldn’t care tbh. they have 305 and twisted timbers which are better than anything we have. including this
@@zachzekis yeah I would not care either I don’t know why they care so much
It’s cause alpenfury got the idea of launching into and out of a mountain from volcano, which was an iconic coaster there, and removing it was devastating for some ppl. As someone that goes to KD often I don’t mind alpenfury nor rapterra additions, I personally think KD needs to more their coaster investments on B&M coasters that ppl will love rather than something extreme that mainly coaster enthusiasts would love
@@isaiahkehoe4295 yes they don’t need anymore intense coasters for a while i305 or project 305 is to intense for people I get that this is similar to volcano but people need to understand that this is a better fit for wonderland and rapttera is a better fit for kings dominion.
@@isaiahkehoe4295 no doubt. a coaster like alpenfury at kd would make zero sense because it would be overshadowed
I hate the name but like the layout. I wish it was a little higher up though.
Yeah, I wish they gave it more airtime hills, but the layout adds variety to the park. The height ain't bad.
Don't care about capacity I'm just happy we get a new world class coaster. I'm just concerned about the repetitive inversions (its true cmon it a bit too much) and possible boring launch. We'll have to see
For me I’m just upset the colours won’t be how it is in the trailer for the ride. That, and premieres support structures being ugly lol
The return trip is literally three of the same exact inversions. Plus I love how this dude only does his actual research on premier when his home park getting one😭😭😭 everyone knows that premier is hella smooth besides u bruh, or at least till now so that u can try to make this coaster seem like it’s a 10/10 addition for the park
You speak like a butthurt KD fangirl😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!
@@Zrj19 3 of the same inversions in a 9 inversion coaster oh no! Everyone loves Maverick even though it does two of the same inversions in lesser
Cry more you Crybaby!!!
@@AmusementInsiders u can almost count maverick horseshoe roll as one element bruh. Plus those three inversions are literally the entire return trip back to the station. Great first half but lackluster second half, Canadas wonderland once again underperforms
any idea what the height requirement will be?
@@benbennett1727 I’m going to guess between 48-52
@@AmusementInsiders Yea, that's my guess too. Hoping near the lower end so I can take my daughter. When is that information typically released?
Forgive my GP perspective, but can you point out the 9 inversions in a video? Others have mentioned, and I’ve watched it over and over and can only see 8.
Stop fucking complaining and stop being blind the 1st inversion is considered 2 inversions!!!
The first inversion is actually 2 inversions on this coaster!!!
I don’t get the hate for this , can’t everyone just be excited that parks are building new coasters again after the last few years of tough times through Covid/ poor results etc.
Wait Vortex is already red do you think it's the other dragon? Those trains have been boring and unpainted for ages!!
Do u think this ride will run during winterfest
It opens in may
@@hockeyislife7686 for next year my man
@@flsxhszn2827 Doubtful. CW has no other extreme coaster running during Winterfest right now. It'll be agressive on your face when its zero or below plus the temperatures won't do any favours for the ride's durability.
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Don't understand why people don't like seatbelts on coasters. It gives the gp peace of mind. Without them a lot of people wouldn't ride them. Enthusiasts only seem to knock them, probably because there spoiled when it comes to rides and them Parkes.
It cause seatbelts are annoying and they slow down the ride boarding!!
900 ppl /hr is terrible
I think the lack of airtime concern is valid. I do wish there was another airtime hill or two with EJECTOR air, something our other airtime coasters do NOT have. I think I'll love this ride but I also feel I would enjoy it more with more airtime. I'd rather have 3 well rounded coasters rather than 3 specialized coasters for airtime, inversions, and speed for example. It makes for a better and more varied experience. Most of the consensus top coasters in the world have a variety of elements, not just a specific gimmic.
This coaster has heavy ejector air watch el Toro Ryan explaining
@@briano9397he literally NEVER said that in the video……
You want airtime shut up stop complaining and ride behemoth or leviathan. This coaster is for inversion lovers not airtime lovers!!!
@@zachzekis yes he does... 4:23 into Toros alpenfury capacity analysis video.
He thinks there might be upside down ejector which isn't the traditional airtime most people refer to and he's not even sure about it as it's hard to confirm compared to traditional airtime. Until we ride it we won't know but there isn't a lot of obvious ejector airtime, even if you'd like to believe different based off of one person's guess. Ever heard of confirmation bias? In the end I hope he's right but don't be so sure just because you want to believe it. All we've seen is a render afterall
I doubt they'll have it opened by the opening of next year.
Can't wait for the Alrighty intro when news gets out that Cedar Fair bought Marineland. Allegedly, yes they bought it all. And unfortunately the animals are still there.
Where did you get this from?
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i wanted ejector airtime also!
Too bad crybaby now shut up!!!
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it just looks so repetitive. like jesus christ man it’s just the same rolling inversions over and over and over and over. im not worried about it being bad cause its gonna be a good ride but this park NEEDS something elite and well this ain’t that
3 brand new inversions never seen before ever..
John Keller : "It's too repetitive🥴🥴"
@@briano9397 two of them are literally inversions that we’ve seen before just renamed 💀
@@briano9397i’m just wondering why wonderland went with this when they have major holes in their line up. they need:
- a world class elite coaster
- ejector airtime
- a good woodie
- a good invert
this ride fills none of those major holes which is why so many people think this park is a joke. it’s like they’d rather go for gimmicks rather than build quality rides that they actually need
@@zachzekisthe ride definitely fills a major hole you forgot to add an actual launch coaster and it’s even better that it’s a launch coaster with a lot of inversions cause they lack a lot of inversions
@@David51295 nah
Low capacity = exclusive ride. CW is pushing fast lane. If you want to ride it, wait... otherwise buy fast pass 🫡
This is a good point. The growth of pay per ride fast lane was mentioned at the investor call last week as a strategy to bring in more money.
"Guest spending on extra-charge products during the period was up 1%, driven in large part by increased Fast Lane sales, which benefited from the broad rollout of our new single ride Fast Lane product.."
@skyline17 thank you for your added value 👍!
With 18 seats per train, even Fast Lane will be a very long line. It's probably going to be a one time use Fast lane only
@CaptureKing247 have you used fast lane? Operations does place a priority for* those with fast lane. It comes down to $ and CW is in business to make $
@@billybob33366 Have you visited parks outside of Wonderland? I understand Wonderland wants to make money, but not at the expense of making fast lane customers unhappy. Did you know Cedar Point had to put a restriction on TT2 for Fast Lane because they knew both lines would be too long? So I don't believe Wonderland purposely doesn't care about capacity because they only want to sell more fast lane. Maybe Cedar Fair will adopt Flash Pass virtual cue appointment system