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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- So I needed a new storage solution. After some thought, I decided to build the NAS that LTT built in Jonsbo's N1 case. I made some changes though to increase data safety and performance further. In this video, I go into detail about using error correcting (ECC) memory with AMD Ryzen APUs and 10 Gbit/s networking in this setup. Come along and see how it went :)
The original LTT build: • This blows away the co...
Parts list
Case: Jonsbo N1
Motherboard: AOG Strix B550-I
CPU: AMD Ryzen Pro 5650G
RAM: 2x Muskin 16GB 3200-22 Proline ECC
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GM SFX
OS HDD: Crucial MX500 250GB (Can easily be way smaller)
Cache SSD: Crucial P3 500GB
HDDs: Seagate Ironwolf 4TB
NIC: 10Gtek Intel X540-T1
HBA: MZHOU 2SATA M.2 to USB Adapter, B Key M.2
0:00 Intro
1:06 Why a NAS?
2:25 Redundancy
3:21 Remote Access
4:03 The Hardware
6:23 Ryzen and ECC
8:50 Other Components
10:16 Software and TrueNAS Scale
11:17 My Configuration
12:14 Data Integrity Measures
12:53 Some Other Considerations
14:40 Outro
#NAS #Jonsbo #LTT 
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Anyone who could make a rookie slow detailed build guide
If there’s a lot of demand I could take it apart and put it back together. Let’s see how many upvotes your comment gets :)
@@FlorianBodlee totally just gave myself one 😉
@@FlorianBodlee Demand?
Love it! Nice build and great explanation! This motivated me to build my own server as well
very helpful and considerate video! will help me build my next server, especially the infos about ECC
Danke! This is a fantastic addition to the info Linus original posted, your changes (upgrades) and additions are so well thought out. I love the idea of using an m.2 for the HBA, freeing up the PCIe slot for networking, as until you get into $$$$ ASRock Rack parts, you don't get 10Gbe on many ITX boards thats for sure.
Happy to hear you enjoyed the video and welcome to the channel David! 🥳
Great Video i already ordered all my stuff for the server and made some changes. thank you for validating that i made the right choices!!
Happy to hear! Enjoy the machine and let me know how the build went :)
Question: the mini ITX AsRock n100 (Alder Lake) requires a external PSU. In this case, is the SFX PSU still required for the SATA CARD in this case to work? Thanks
I did a build in the same case:
CPU:5700g + Noctua L12S
Mobo: ASRock Rack x570d2i-2t
- 2 integrated 10gbe ports
- 4x sodimm slots
- BMC for mgmt
Storage: 2x18tb, 1x8tb enterprise drives
- BTRFS raid 1 (22tb of usable space)
- BTRFS allows a lot of the same features as zfs but is easier to upgrade since it can be done piece by piece
- BTRFS raid 1 is done at the block level so mismatched drive capacity is no problem
OS: Fedora IOT
- Easy backups with ostree
- Immutable filesystem (which has saved me a lot of headache)
Protip: remove the front metal plate for increased airflow and quieter operation.
Excellent tutorial - thank you.
Thank you! :)
Do you have recommendations for the motherboard? The AOG Strix B550-I is not in stock anywere.
I just added magnetic dust filters to the sides of the case with some magnetic strips to hold it in place. Makes a huge difference. I also went with unraid for it's ease of use and added a JMB585 controller for additional sata ports. Happy with it so far :)
Hi Nathan :) thanks for the tip! Which dust filters did you buy? I'll absolutely try that 👌
@@FlorianBodlee any 280mm x 140mm magnetic dust filters will work, got mine from amazon
Just ordered, I'll keep you posted. Thanks!!
@@NathanFernandes you just stick them inside? No issues with sliding case it ?
So I finally got to try this and interestingly enough: my case isn’t magnetic. I don’t know if you have a different colour maybe? Or a different revision? But my magnetic filters definitely didn’t adhere to the case. I just removed the magnetic strips though and taped it to the insight. Clearance was just fine :) Thanks for the tip!
Great video! I am thinking of doing something similar to host and run my Plex server. One question I have is for the back M.2 drive, how much clearance is there in between the motherboard and the backplane/power supply? How many millimeters do you have for possibly having a heatsink installed on the drive? I know the back of the motherboard has very little airflow so If it is possible to use an SSD with a heatsink that would help with temps on those hot drives. Looking to install a Samsung 990 Pro w/ heatsink if clearance is possible.
Hi Marc :) happy to hear you enjoyed the video! You won't be able to fit a heatsink in there. The SSD is almost touching the case. I was first thinking about using longer motherboard standoffs but then the IO shield won't line up so I don't think you'll be able to fit a heatsink. Apologies for the bad news 😶
What is the power draw when the system is idle? I really want to build this, but I'm concerned about power efficiency at low loads.
Hey Caleb :) the system uses 35 watts with the disks spun down and 45 watts with the disks idling. When using a relatively big cache SSD, most of the load should go to that so your disks can stay spun down. Hope that helps! ☺️
Thanks for in-depth coverage! I would definitely appreciate to know more about HDD temps for sure. Some guys from Reddit reported quite high temps with the square plate installed on the front panel, and much better temps without it. Really curious, not many owners of this case atm.
Hey Pavel :) my HDDs are at around 36 degrees and go up to around 42 degrees under high load. Front panel is installed but i flipped the case fan around. Hope this helps :)
Oh, that sounds cool then. Thanks for sharing! Do you mean you’ve made the fan exhaust instead of intake, right?
Yes exactly :)
@@FlorianBodlee Would running a i7-12700k, with an L9x65 Cooler & the CPU on Eco Mode (90w) be viable in this case if I were not only to make the fan exhaust, but swap the primary fan at the front with a more powerful noctua fan? I have the case, the processor and a motherboard along with the heatsink...and don't really want to invest a bunch of extra money to get different parts if I can use what I currently have. I got the processor/board for free, and purchased the N1 some time ago.
Thanks for any possible reply and sorry for the long message!
To be honest, I don’t know. Thermals are definitely the limiting factor in this case. My 5650G + stock cooler idles at around 32 degrees with absolutely no load and around 40 with pihole running. Under load with the stock cooler it hits 80 degrees very quickly…
It for sure depends on what you’re planning to do, I’d say. That config as a NAS with some light VM related stuff and the 12700k, you’ll probably be ok. Anything more, I doubt you’d be very happy with this setup.
Let me know if you end up giving it a shot! :)
Nice build and great production quality of the video. Thanks for the Ryzen & ECC info. I'm looking forward to build similar NAS. Could you add detailed specs of the build to the description?
Happy you enjoyed it! Sure thing, I’ll add it to the description :)
Added :)
Could you go into more detail on the differences you had from switching to 2.5 to 10GBe LAN? I am planning on doing a similar build, but am probably going to use my PCIe slot for a HBA card
Of course! On the 2.5Gbit/s LAN, I was able to completely saturate the link with this setup (~300MB/s r/w). On the 10Gbit/s LAN I achieve around 1GB/s under ideal circumstances while not saturating the link. So on the 2.5Gbit/s LAN, the networking is the bottleneck, on the 10Gbit/s it isn’t.
@@FlorianBodlee I have a 24 port Gb Switch... I'm assuming that I would need to buy a new switch that has a 10Gb port correct?
You *can* use the server with your existing switch but you will be heavily bottlenecked. You‘d achieve around 100 MB/s in either direction on Gigabit Ethernet. If you want to achieve the full throughput then yes, you need to change your switch. Ubiquity has some good switches with 10 Gbit/s ports :)
Nice build and great work explaining everything in detail. I have a few questions about the back mounted Samsung 980 M.2 NVME cache drive. Did you ever figure out why it was reporting such high temps even at system idle? Does the controller on that drive just run hot? Would the 980 Pro run cooler? Is it an airflow problem with it being mounted under the motherboard? Is there any room under the motherboard to mount that drive with a heat sink? Would you recommend another drive that might run cooler in that configuration?
Hey there :) happy you enjoyed the video! The airflow isn’t the issue, the drive doesn’t even get very hot from what I can tell. There’s a lot of info around forums saying that this is a bug on Samsung’s side and the drive will randomly report exactly 84 degrees out of nowhere. I switched to a Crucial SSD and didn’t have issues since then and it never exceeds 65ish degrees. So just pick another drive and you should be ok. Stay away from the 980s (even pro). Haven’t tested all variants myself but from what I saw online I think there’s a solid chance that they all have this problem.
@@FlorianBodlee Thanks for the info. I'll be updating my parts list. lol I see that Jonsbo is coming out with an updated small form factor NAS case (the Jonsbo N2) sometime early next year. I might wait to see how the reviews on that new case turn out before purchasing the N1.
Hi. Nice build and helpful video, thx! Let me ask you these questions regarding hw choice:
- did you consider using a Asrock motherboards like the Asrock X570D4I-2T, X570 Gaming or B550 motherboard instead of the ROG Strix B550-I? And why did you decided to not go with such alternatives (besides price regarding x570)
- would you choose the same hw nowadays 1 year later? if not what would you change?
- is it still a fact that one should not go with amd5 sockel and according cpus when wanting to run TrueNas OS?
Hey there :) happy you liked the video!
- I didn’t consider that, no. I used the B550-I because I was certain that it would work with my CPU and ECC RAM and I didn’t see anything wrong with it, no deeper reasoning.
- I would probably go with a newer CPU today and I would change the M.2 to SATA HBA for one with at least 1 more port. I added a second SSD as a mirror for the boot pool for increased redundancy. Right now I have it connected via USB but will probably move it inside the case once I get a chance to switch the HBA :)
- I personally don’t see any reason not to go AM5. Why do you think it wouldn’t be advisable? Back in the day I didn’t due to price and mainboard availability but if that’s not a factor for you, go for it! It even brings the upside that you mostly don’t need to worry about ECC because DDR5 comes with comparable capabilities by default :)
Hope that was helpful!
In the Jonsbo N1 case, it maybe not be enough cooling for your hard drives. Also with RAID-Z1 while you be replacing a bad disk another might fail due to the high tall when rebuilding, so RAID-Z2 would be better?
That is all up to you, I would suggest. Raid-z1 provides less redundancy than raid-z2 but it also uses less drives so allows more usable space. I suppose it really depends on what you are using the NAS for.
I connected the case fan to the fan header on the motherboard, yet the fan seems to be running at full speed all the time and quite noisy. In BIOS, I even went into the Smart Fan 1 Mode and increase the "Fan off temperature limit" from 16 to 30, but to no avail. The fan is still working at 100% speed all the time and quite noisy.
Hey, please make sure you used the fan header and not the pump header accidentally :)
Nice build!
I also built a new server after seeing LLT video.
I used an 1800x that I had laying around, may swap it out later. I went with 64gb of memory as I run a lot of VMs on it.
Awesome! 64 GB is definitely a good idea if you run many VMs. Did you use ECC? I mostly rely on Docker so it's not too memory heavy and 32 GB are fine for my use :) Enjoy your system!
@@FlorianBodlee Sorry I missed your reply! Yes I went with some Nemix Unbuffered. I have since changed the case over to the Jonsbo N2 I liked the N1 but didn't like the over all airflow and having to remove the cover swap drives.
Awesome! That N2 looks very intriguing, I have to say; totally feel you on that :D
Which MB and gpu did you use with it? I have a 1800x with me as well which I can definitely put to some use.
Hey :) I used a Asus ROG Strix B550-I motherboard and use the integrated graphics of the Ryzen 5650G.
Thanks a lot for the excellent video!
Can you please give more details of the HBA you used?
Thank you very much.
Hey there :) it’s just a random HBA I got from Amazon, nothing special. The exact name is listed in the video description :) Do you have specific other questions regarding the HBA?
Nice! How much electricity does your NAS use in idle (with and without the HDDs)? Thank you!
Hey there :) on idle with the disks spun down it uses around 30 watts :) With all disks idling around 50 watts.
Great video and explanation! Would it theoretically be possible to run proxmox on the machine and setup a vm with trueNAS scale? I want to run a few more virtual machines. Ort rather separate into two dedicated machines
Absolutely! You may lose a bit of performance but it’d probably be fine! You can totally just run your VMs on top of TrueNAS Scale though! It has a qemu hypervisor built in :)
Very interesting! I just finished building my version of the NAS but it does have a number of differences from the version built by LTT. While it does use the same case, the motherboard I ended up with was the Gigabyte A520 I AC which provides much of what the Asus board does except the second M.2 slot which I substituted with a PCI adapter for the extra SATA slots needed (I had a couple of Ziyituod cards knocking around from an aborted project, each with 4 slots each so I get a small amount of expansion space should I need it). The PSU that you used, which LTT also used, proved to be almost completely unavailable when I looked so I swapped in a Thermaltake Toughpower 850W, again a bit overdone but again it gives a bit of wiggle room in the future.
I suppose I can understand your need for ECC memory but it wasn't really something I considered essential for my build, and as for the drives I used 5 x Toshiba N300 8TB running in RAID-z with a Transcend M.2 SSD 800S giving 32GB of cache space. The only thing I had a problem with on the hardware (apart from a failed drive which I quickly replaced) was that the cable management was a bit of a pig! It didn't look so tight when Linus did it! It all went in, however, though one other note is that the fittings that drives use to fit into the body can snag on any nearby cabling on the motherboard side of the case.
As for the software, I totally agree. I went for TrueNAS Scale as I found that TrueNAS Core didn't provide a very good virtualisation system (I tend to use openSUSE as my Linux of choice at the moment and Core hated it to the point that I couldn't install it at all where Scale let it go in without a squeak!) With this, I can eventually retire my old server once all the data is transferred over! The only thing I need to consider now is a backup solution for the data - I need to consider what needs backing up and how I'm going to do it. Decisions, decisions!
Awesome! Enjoy your build and welcome to the channel :)
Perfect, I think I'm building this the exact same way! I was kinda struggling to find an MB in ITX format with ECC support. Not sure how I missed this one. How did you spot it? Maybe I was looking for intel and there are fewer options.
Also do you think ryzen is superior to intel for this particular use case (integrated graphics, temperatures, virtual machines, ITX format).
- And last but not least, how much electricity does it draw when idling?
- Did you run any tests to make sure ECC is really working? I've read some contradicting things about Asus not properly supporting it and such?
- What do you think about asus 550i vs Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX AM4 ?
does the Gigabyte MB you mention support ECC?
@@sergiorti Yeah, I abandoned the idea of building a NAS with AMd though, because idle power consumption is way too high, intel is the way to go here, chipsets: 246, w480, w580, w680 etc
I‘m just seeing I didn‘t respond to you, apologies! My NAS measures at around 25 to 35 watts from the wall with the disks spun down and around 45 watts with the disks spun up and idling.
Hi, where did you buy it? i can find it at apiexpress but the shipping is more than the cost for the case for me. So a dealer in europe would help.
From Caseking in Germany :)
Newegg has the case for $140 now.
That sounds like a great price! 👌
are these "hickups" with amd p and c-states solved? i read about it and so i cant decide if amd is a reliable basis for a power-efficient 24/7-system.
Hey there :) My system has been running for weeks on end 24/7 and I didn‘t have any issues whatsoever. It‘s super stable for me :) Hope that helps!
@@FlorianBodlee its not (only) about stability, its about power-management and stand-by modes. seemed there was a problem with linux drivers. did you measured your consumption while idle'ing? btw i think i ll go with the n2, i like the front slots.
Yeah I did. It uses around 35 watts with the disks spun down and around 45 with the disks idling. The N2 looks like a great choice! I‘d go for it as well if I‘d build this server again today :)
Nice build, Florian. I would suggest picking up another Crucial MX SSD and running a mirrored boot drive. It's a relatively cheap upgrade, and adds redundancy. Take a look into a JMB585.
Thanks a lot! Yes, I really wanna do that but I’ll have to switch out the HBA because I don’t have any SATA or M.2 ports left in the case. I’ll definitely take a look at your suggestion! Welcome to the channel :)
I am curious if you tested the ECC capability as the CPU is listed without this feature.
Hey there :) TrueNAS shows the RAM as ECC. Linux also reports it as ECC RAM. Do you have any specific test you would like me to run to see if ECC is indeed working as expected?
The best way to be sure is to inject some small memory corruption and check whether correction is working. From what I see online, there is a lot of misleading information about AMD processors and their ECC memory support. A distinction between the systems boots with ECC DIMMs and ECC DIMMs are actually correcting errors can only be done via testing. VG
Nice video. Did you buy right-angle SATA cables separately or do they come with the case?
Hey Brandon :) thank you! 2 came with the motherboard and I bought the remaining ones separately, if I remember correctly. No SATA cables come with the case.
@@FlorianBodlee Thank you sir.
Great vid. One thing putting me off zfs is expanding the pool is not at all straightforward. How do you plan to add more storage?
Thanks, appreciate the kind words! :)
Expanding means replacing all disks with bigger disks. I.e. I‘d be replacing all my 4 TB drives with e.g. 8 TB drives one by one, letting the pool resilver after each disk. Once all are replaced, the pool should automatically expand to the new available capacity. This is far from ideal. If you‘re planning to expand storage regularly you should absolutely go for a different filesystem or go overkill right away :)
@@FlorianBodlee okay I'm gonna go with snapraid and mergerfs. I don't think ECC is necessary for my use case
I am building my own server based on the LTT build as well. I was undecided between installing proxmox or TrueNAS scale. Decided to go with proxmox, but it seems they don't support the Intel i225 NIC straight out of the box and it requires some kernel juggling or manual installs. That got me so frustrated now, I'm thinking to just go with TrueNAS scale after all. Seems like you didn't have to jump through hoops to get it up and running...
Hey there :) yeah, the TrueNAS Scale setup was a complete breeze. The only time I touched the kernel was in an attempt to fix that overheating Samsung drive, so skip that one 😅 other than that, I mean it’s Linux.
Then again, Proxmox is based on Debian from what I can tell, so I’m not entirely sure you’ll get better hardware support. I also ended up going straight for the TrueNAS Scale Bluefin beta because Anglefish has an older kernel version and didn’t fully support my Ryzen 5650G (no temperature readings)… so yeah I’m not sure you’d get a completely smooth experience on TrueNAS either. Their support team is pretty amazing though so maybe it’s worth a shot☺️
@@FlorianBodlee although both Proxmox and TrueNAS Scale are based on debian, TrueNAS Scale seems to be implemented much better. It worked on the first try, not troubleshooting and manual stuff needed :)
(only small thing I need to find in the settings now is how to get the fan to not permanently run at 100%. But I literally just logged in for the first time 2 minutes ago)
Amazing! Happy to hear and enjoy your NAS :)
Hello Florian! Your video was extremely helpful for me to build and setup my own NAS. Just one quick question, would you mind to share with us some useful links or info for setting up remote access via VPN ? thank you in advance!
danke dir für das video :)
Sehr gerne, danke für‘s Reinschauen :)
Congrats on the video.
It is almost impossible to source the ASUS ROG Strix B550-i Any idea of another motherboard that would work in the build?
Well, the main issue is finding information on ECC compatibility. There are plenty of AM4 mini ITX motherboards with enough M.2 slots and SATA ports. And networking doesn‘t really matter in the end as I‘d highly recommend adding a 10Gbit/s card anyway. But finding out whether the alternatives support ECC properly is gonna be the tricky bit and here, I‘m afraid, I can‘t really be helpful as I wouldn‘t want to recommend anything I haven‘t personally tested.
Oh also, thanks for the kind words! Appreciated :)
I see LTT video using 2 port sata III, did you have to do the same?
Hey there Jay :) I’m not sure I understand the question. I connected 4 or the drives straight to the motherboard and 2 more to the HBA, all using SATA 6G. Then I have another M.2 SSD on the motherboard. Does that answer your question? :)
@@FlorianBodlee yes it does. I was wondering how you and LTT were able to connect all these drives, because mobo only has 4 sata ports.
@Florian Bodlee I think the reason LTT didn't use ECC RAM is because he was trying to keep the cost below $699. And his build came to $689 with Non-ECC RAM.
That’s a fair point! I still don’t think it’s worth skipping on ECC with a dedicated storage server 🤷🏻♂️☺️
@@FlorianBodlee Fully agreed. I think it's an absolute must and not worth the saving.
The 84C error you were getting with the Samsung SSD is a kernel bug, I had the same thing on UNRAID
Yeah I tried adding the various kernel parameters that float around on the internet but nothing solved it for me 🤷🏻♂️
I to have a N1 as my NAS, running TrueNAS and funnily enough I have the same temperature warnings. Something I've done is to remove the front plate to improve airflow.
If you refer to the warnings from the SSD and it’s a Samsung drive, they’re almost for sure not real, so no need to worry about the airflow. I can’t guarantee it but I checked mine right when I had a warning and it was barely warm to the touch…
Any thermal notes? I heard the N1 runs the drives hot?
Working perfectly! I switched the stock AMD stock cooler for a Noctua one and it’s dead silent since then and the drives are sitting at around 35 degrees :)
Where do you get reasonably priced hardware in the EU?
Hey there Harira :)
I got my hardware from several different shops. In Germany, I went with Alternate, Arlt, Caseking, and Amazon for what I couldn’t find anywhere else.
Hope that helps :)
@@FlorianBodlee Ah I see. Just a mix and match, I was wondering if we built a server in the NL... (asking here because the HDD's are probably the thing which may end up costing a lot..)
But I see, thanks :)
Can you share the exact model of memory please
Sure! On my invoice it states “D4 16GB 3200-22 Proline ECC”. The product number seems to be “MPL4E320NF16G18” according to the seller. Is that enough for you to track it down?
I just ordered the parts to build one, but I went with the b660 strix and a 13400 with iGPU. 16GB DDR5 and 2 12TB Ironwolf drives for now.
Very nice! Enjoy your NAS Juan! 🥳
@@FlorianBodlee thanks, I will have fun building it. Can't wait. Cheers.
Absolutely 100% go for a CPU with integrated graphics if you build one of these. This was my first PC build and I don’t know what I would have done had I not been able to simply plug in an HDMI to troubleshoot.
Nice work! Where did you order the case from?
Thank you! I got it from Caseking in Germany. :)
@@FlorianBodlee Thank you for getting back to me, much appreciated. I see Caseking is expected to have them back in stock so I'm probably going to order one too :)
I just ordered all the hardware needed. Even using server MB, CPU and ECC RAM, it's still cheaper than buying a pre-built NAS from other brands.
Awesome!! Which motherboard did you pick?
I’m going unraid for btrfs - with 5 disks, losing one to parity, i can still recover any single disk on a secondary machine…. I don’t believe zfs gives that flexibility if i lose a disk or physical machine, I don’t need the original host to recover files.
Happy to be corrected.
That’s a perfectly valid choice! However, if you lose a disk or even the machine and one disk, you can connect the 4 leftover disks to a new host and import the ZFS pool. There’s no dependency on the original host whatsoever, as far as I know. It shouldn’t be more effort than a couple of clicks to have access to your data again :)
You can also see that in a couple of LTT videos, where they move entire pools to new machines or even do data recovery on one of their servers.
The N2 case is out now. Did you see it? It is nice.
I did, yeah! I think it looks great but I wont switch :)
How much does this compare to an pre-built?
Hey there Dave :) In what sense? Can you please make your question a bit more narrow? It’s difficult to answer so broadly.
Thanks for your video. I'm following your lead on my build!. A few questions... Q1: You mentioned using a different 500Gb SSD980 with another; what would you replace it with today? Q2: Where did you get your Ryzen 5 Pro 5650G, China, or which seller? Q3: Can you give us your provider for the RAM and maybe the part #? Q4: Can't find whatever this is...MZHOU 2SATA M.2 to USB Adapter, B Key M.2. Maybe an easier question, what would you change now that you've been using it for a while? I plan to put 6 Seagate IronWolf Pro 12TB into this enclosure. Inevitably, some of these DIY videos never give all of the info you need in case of unavailable parts, etc. thank you for any help you can give me.
Hey there Dwayne :) Happy to hear you found the video helpful!
Q1 -> I ended up going with a Corsair P3 SSD and didn‘t have problems anymore. Given that you‘ll be running significantly more storage than me, you may want to increase your SSD cache size a bit. Not necessary but depending on your access patterns it may potentially increase performance significantly and the price jump to a bigger SSD isn‘t super dramatic. In your case I‘d maybe gor for 1-2 TB.
Q2 -> I bought it from a local seller in Germany called „Arlt“. They sold it to me in a bundle with the motherboard only and aren‘t allowed to sell it individually.
Q3 -> „Muskin D4 16GB 3200-22 Proline ECC”. The product number seems to be “MPL4E320NF16G18”.
Q4 -> It‘s a so called HBA. It uses one of the M.2 slots on your motherboard and „converts“ it into SATA 6G ports. To run 5 drives in this chassis, you need at least a 2 port card.
What would I do differently -> I‘d buy the updated Jonsbo N2 case :)
Hope I was able to help and best of luck for your build! 🥳
@@FlorianBodlee Thank you for your reply!!!!! I will return my smaller Jonsbo, and get the N2 asap. Also, are there any alternatives you've do differently with the bigger case, and What if you couldn't get that MB combo, which looks like with be the situation? thank you.
Well, going for a different (bigger) case opens up many possibilities. You can use an ATX instead of an ITX motherboard, have more SATA ports, more PCIe slots, potentially redundant power supplies - the sky is the limit here really. Personally, I think in a „ambitious“ consumer application you really don‘t need more than the system I show off here. If you need GPU passthrough then having an additional PCIe slot may be nice and getting slightly better airflow also wouldn‘t hurt but neither are a must for the vast majority of people, I‘d estimate.
Florian, do you ha e a way to Tip you? If so I would like to tip you for your time to help me build this NAS. Consulting. $25/hour? Mostly to help me if d the right parts (that are available) and then once received maybe be available for questions.
@@FlorianBodlee I am a student working on a Computer Science and Engineering Degree with a concentration on Cyber Security, and I want to create a solution that allows for the following. 1. Virtual Machines, Containers to practice using other operating systems, e.g., Linux, 2. Host my videos, pictures, and music on Plex. 3. Backup for other computers and cell phones on the network, 4. Development environment, host test websites, GITHUB, AWS, etc. I'm spending about $15 a month for 2TB online. Did you see me question about tipping? What say you?
Apparently a lot of Samsung drives of various types in the 970 and 980 models are degrading very quickly and people have made samsung aware of this. However, they aren't acknowledging it and refuse to RMA drives. In one situation that I saw recently, a user tested the theory out on a new drive and showed a 10% degradation after writing only a few terabytes to the drive. Samsung analyzed it and said the drive was fine. The drive works but that kind of decrease is severe and indicative of cost cutting behind the scenes.
Hey there, yes I heard about the issue. Apparently, there’s a firmware update that supposedly stops the fast degradation. However, it doesn’t reset the SMART values, so any damage done is done.
there is no space for an expansion card, yeah?
You get a single PCIe slot. I used mine for a 10Gbit/s network interface card. You can of course use something else instead :)
How are the thermals?
Acceptable in my opinion. I tuned the fan curve so the fans run on minimum RPM for as long as possible. The CPU idles around 32ish degrees with absolutely no load and around 40ish degrees with a light continuous load (pihole on kubernetes). It hits 80 degrees quite quickly when hitting it with a proper load but that doesn’t happen often in my use case. When running a VM and normal load there, I end up around 60 degrees continuously.
That being said, after swapping the Samsung SSD for a Crucial one, all drive temps are quite acceptable. HDDs around 36 to max 42 degrees, the m.2 SSD hits around 60 degrees max under high load.
In the end, it’s for sure not a silent system when under load but for my use case it’s good :)
@@FlorianBodlee I'm considering a similar build except I will add in a half hight PCIe card using bifurcation to add 4 x NVMe drive cache for TimeMachine, Frigate NVR and my Plex FTA DVR.
Do you get the impression that much air gets between the drives into the motherboard compartment?
Any thoughts of using a pico PSU to free up some space, improve airflow and reduce the case thermal load?
Hmm to be honest, I’m not sure that’d work out very well. 4x NVMe is a lot of performance and probably heat. The NIC I have in this build gets quite hot (not dangerously but still) and that’s just a 10G NIC. Not sure if I’d be comfortable swapping that with 4 NVMe drives.
Honestly though, wouldn’t the networking be the bottleneck in such a system anyway? With 4x NVMe, even if you stripe it 2 by 2, you’ll probably read and write well into the 10s of Gigabytes per second. No way a 10G NIC can saturate that and you’d not even have the PCIe slot for a network card, so you’d need a motherboard with onboard 10G, if I’m not missing something. Personally, I’m really quite happy with my 1x NVMe cache. Haven’t really found a workload yet that I can’t handle with this but granted, the heaviest I threw at it was 4 streams of 4K ProRes 422.
And regarding the PSU; mine doesn’t even turn on the fan and airflow from that side of the case to the front side of the motherboard is essentially non-existent anyway because the motherboard is blocking the way completely. So I don’t think you’d gain much by going smaller.
For a NAS, I think the thermals are ok. If you try running Cinebench, the CPU will get pretty hot since there is little airflow around the motherboard, but that is a bit of an unfair test. We use it as a media server and it's fine.
The NVME slots on the Asus ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING are:
M.2 B+M Key (I suppose this is it)
M.2 M Key
M.2 B Key
Thank you one more time.
Don't like the motherboard would have went with server grade and would have chosen ecc for 50 bucks more. Raid z 2 has two disk failure with 20% parity. Also speced out server grade hardware is 150 over ltt worth it.
Hey mate :) yeah definitely worth considering! Do you have one in mind that would fit in this case? Also how would the power draw compare? I’m definitely interested in what this would look like using dedicated server parts!
Hows the noise?
Very acceptable when idle, basically silent when spin down is enabled :)
Nice video, but the video feels a little robotish, it seems you are reading from something behind the camera
Hey Andres, thank you, appreciate you liked the video! This is indeed the first video I used a teleprompter in. Future ones should be more natural feeling with more practice :) Thank you for the feedback! 🙏
I built the same but got myself the 4650G cause the 5650G is way too expensive and is only 10%-15% faster.
And went for 64Gb ram for future proofing.
Perfectly valid choice! I had so much trouble finding *any* pro APU that I was happy once I got my hands on the 5650G and I’ve been very happy with it! :)
@@FlorianBodlee yeah on top of availability the price difference between the 5600G and the 5650G was 2x which is ridiculous for something that is in every conceivable way an identical CPU.
Though funny enough the last part missing for my build and hardest to come by, was not the ECC supporting CPU as I expected, but is currently the case 😂😭 …which am still waiting for, for more than a month.
Glad you are happy with your APU. Do you find it powerful enough for your needs?
Yeah I’m very happy with it! I’m running a few docker containers and a VM here and there and it’s been nothing but awesome 🥳 in terms of storage speed I’ve also been very happy with my use👌
@@FlorianBodlee Great!
@@FlorianBodleeow did you manage to use the GPU on TrueNas scale? I am having trouble getting it to work because the system blocks 1 gpu for its own use. 🫤 For passthrough that is. Seems impossible to do with 1 gpu.
a used HP or Dell enterprise system like R730 is still a better buy.
The 1GB of RAM for every 1TB of storage is unnecessary for ZFS unless you are doing Data deduplication. If your doing Data deduplication then you want 1 - 5GB of ram per 1 TB. This is a misinformation that's been going around for way too long. That's not to say the more ram the better typically.
Thanks for the context! I don’t use deduplication but the RAM is acting as cache and for the project sizes I work on it seems like my current setup with 32 GB works well. What rule of thumb for the amount of RAM would you recommend for non-dedup use cases?
@@FlorianBodlee really depends on use case. 16GB would probably be fine even for 100TB. Your limitations more likely to be network speeds or SMB limitations.
@@FlorianBodlee Actually that might be an interesting video going in to see how much a difference more or less the amount or ram has depending on users.
You have apu, but no av1 then 😂
Alternative if you want ECC for intel you can get some Intel W680 motherboard. But these boards I hard to get at all...
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