DO THE KICK PEDAL TEST to find out if your bass drum pedal is good - Then learn the proper set up

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @manosliapakisthestormrider8099
    @manosliapakisthestormrider8099 3 года назад +5

    So Many DRUMErs out there doesn't want to tall you drum tips , drum work outs and so Many important things... But you sir you are wasome i promise you i never seen better drum world and channel ty god bless you ❤️🙏🏻

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  3 года назад +2

      Manos! Thank you so much! Your kind words are very inspiring! I am glad you are enjoying the channel. I'll be uploading 2 more videos soon. Cheers!

    • @manosliapakisthestormrider8099
      @manosliapakisthestormrider8099 3 года назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming sir you are so good can you make a video with chops?

  • @waltgdrums1
    @waltgdrums1 Год назад +10

    Mostly solid info here. However, The high wiggle count does not apply to compression spring pedals like the Ludwig Speed King, Ghost or others. Those types of pedals force you to develop better control of dynamics with your foot rather than relying on expansion spring return and in turn can provide a more solid hit or light feathering as desired.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      I started off with The Ludwig Speed King pedal. Brings back many memories. After many years that pedal became harder and harder to play. It did not have that easy flow like it did in the beginning. Some of the spring pedals in the market today are amazing!

  • @ShakingTwoTrees2012
    @ShakingTwoTrees2012 3 года назад +4

    At 75% spring tension for both my pedals, I get 30+ wiggles with my 25-year-old DW 5000 pedal and 15+ wiggles on my 35-year-old Camco pedal. I already had each pedal set up at approximately 45 degree beater shaft angles, but had to lengthen each beater rod a bit to hit the 5" recommended length. Adjustments and feel change were minimal compared to my original set-up that evolved over 40 years of playing. As far as the bass drum front hoop height goes, I've always tried to keep the drum as flat as possible to minimize shell stress and theoretically maximize tone, but I agree that raising/lowering it significantly changes the feel of the set-up. Thanks for this detailed video as I've never come across anything quite so comprehensive and informative.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  3 года назад +1

      This was something I used to go over with all my beginner students so that they would be off to a good start footwise. Thanks for the detailed comments. Cheers!

  • @johncotter9356
    @johncotter9356 Месяц назад

    Wow. After many decades of drumming, I never gave the kick pedal much thought. ..mostly if it was working and if the chain (or strap) was in good condition. Never thought about adjusting this or that.. Currently I'm in a band situation where some more jazzy, big band tempos and styles are the thing - mostly I've played straightforward pop/chart or Blues/ RnR etc but now I'm questioning my ability to play more bouncy /faster bass drum patterns, hence checking -out some videos (rather than just buying an expensive new pedal) What a revelation.! One thing I never knew was lifting the front of the bass drum - I always thought that it being just a little off the floor (more or less level) was correct. The only thing I'd mention is that where the beater hits the skin is important - I've read it should (ideally) hit roughly centre of the drum head for best tone/ power, it's not covered here.

  • @chipe420
    @chipe420 Месяц назад

    Great info. I have a dw7000 double kick that is old and felt bad. Turns out that some part on the main pedal is introducing friction. The slave pedal can wiggle for a long time while the main pedal quickly slows down! I think it might be a dirty bearing. Time to fix or replace.

  • @TonysMusicChannel
    @TonysMusicChannel 3 года назад +4

    Great information! Not being a drummer, I haven't had the experiences of knowing what is considered a good pedal or not. So now I can test the pedal on our kit and see how it measures up 👍

  • @scottlowell493
    @scottlowell493 Месяц назад

    I can attest:
    Finding the sweet spot it vital and escapes a lot of drummers. You can really fight with your pedal if it lacks response or the effort is too high. It's a huge difference between badly adjusted and dialed in.

  • @macvoutie
    @macvoutie 3 года назад +3

    Sometimes replacing the spring or cleaning and oiling a pedal is all one needs to do to better the response without buying a new pedal.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  3 года назад

      Yes, for sure!

    • @krusher74
      @krusher74 Год назад +1

      @@WholeLottaDrumming Why did you leave that out of the video and keep telling people to just buy a new one then?

  • @flashfan1122
    @flashfan1122 Год назад

    Last tip of changing bass drum leg heights is a GAME changer! Been struggling eith settings for a long time and j think this might help

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      Ya, it's amazing what a difference adjusting the bass drum legs make. Sometimes that's all you have to do. Thanks for watching! Cheers!

  • @plumberski8854
    @plumberski8854 Год назад

    Excellent tips. Much better than other videos with your quantitative measures. An eye opener for me on the spring count. I removed the beater head last night as I wanted to add weight to it. Now I will try with your tips and see. Thanks.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  11 месяцев назад

      Hello. Thanks for watching. Yes please try these tips and let me know how it goes. Cheers!

  • @brucegill4218
    @brucegill4218 Год назад

    Thank you my friend is a whole lot of help I'm I'm a beginner drummer I started way late in my life like in my 50s I got a pedal with the hardware kit that I got it's not Yamaha but I really Yamaha was little expensive at the time so I SPL velocity pedal

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  11 месяцев назад +1

      Hello there. Sorry for the late reply. Been slowly transitioning into a new RUclips recording studio. More videos coming soon so please stay tuned! In regards to your comment, just stick to the tips mentioned on the video to maximize the potential of the pedal you have to work with.

  • @lobbyrobby
    @lobbyrobby 10 месяцев назад

    A couple months ago I bought my very first drum set. A Tama imperialstar. I think it's an awesome kit for a beginner. The drums are great but in order to keep it affordable they cheap out on the cymbals, throne and kick pedal. So far I've replaced the heads with Remo emperor's. I also decided to bite the bullet and buy a Tama speed cobra 910. I know it's way too much pedal for my skill set now but hopefully this pedal will last me for many many years to come. The pedal it came with isn't terrible but it's not great either. The hinge by the footboard has a lot of play in it and it's noisy. It didn't do very well on the test either. At about 75% tension it wobbled around 15 times.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  10 месяцев назад

      Thank you for your comment! Nothing wrong with having a killer pedal. It will help you develop your foot quicker. Cheers!

  • @steveportock2177
    @steveportock2177 Год назад

    I totally followed this, wow what a difference thanks!

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      I am so happy its made a difference! Thanks for watching! and enjoy your pedal! Cheers!

  • @JonnyRobinson
    @JonnyRobinson 8 месяцев назад +1

    Wow this video ramdomly popped up on my feed, very informative. Thank you dude!

  • @chardyworld5211
    @chardyworld5211 Год назад

    My wiggle count is very low on both hi and low tension I counted 5-6 wiggle count on both tension levels. I play double pedal (iron cobra Junior). Hd it for several years. Thank you for this info. I really never took into account about the wiggle test but I shall next time on my new pedals.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  11 месяцев назад

      Hello. Thanks for chiming in! I am glad the video was helpful. Cheers!

  • @samumutka9236
    @samumutka9236 Год назад +3

    I don't think it's a problem if your pedal uses allen key to change your pedal position. Tama iron cobra and speed cobra pedals both use allen key and they are among the best pedals in the business

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      True. There are good quality pedals that require allen keys. But it's challenging for some to have access to allen keys. Drum keys are easier to access. I have drum keys everywhere. My stick bag is one place for sure I have several. And when I have to make pedal adjustment, I can do it in seconds

    • @larrytate1657
      @larrytate1657 Год назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming def much more convenient.

  • @ІгунінДмитро
    @ІгунінДмитро Год назад

    The first point about spring tension.

  • @pixelpusher8986
    @pixelpusher8986 Год назад

    Glad you did this. Very helpful.

  • @ProfessorSwing
    @ProfessorSwing 3 года назад +1

    Excellent & very important video, but now am heartbroken!!!! My 3 favorite pedals Gretsch Floating Action, early original DW 900, & early Camco do not have a drum kry, easy adjust mebt for beater angle. What a hideous oversight! But they still feel sooooo good. Also, an old Pearl, but I can still use an alan wrench..

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  3 года назад +1

      As long as the wiggle counts are in those ranges, thats the main thing. Being able to adjust with drum keys is more of a feature that makes things easy to adjust.

    • @ProfessorSwing
      @ProfessorSwing 3 года назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming Wow, thanx for your reply! I feel better,ztjose drum companies should have asked you first!!!

  • @marc8vino
    @marc8vino Год назад

    Your bass drum spurs are really high for what I normally use or see. To each their own. I usually have the bass drum head closer to vertical. Depending on the width of the BD hoop the beater hits around vertical as well. This was a problem with the Pearl Demon drives and I could never get use to having the BD tilted so much. Vertical works well for DW MDD and 9000's as well as speed cobras. I use DW control beaters most of the time. The beaters make a huge difference. Thanks for your video.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      Yes, I like the spurs pretty much at the highest position. Just something I have gotten used you. Thanks for watching! Cheers!

  • @mikesmith1290
    @mikesmith1290 2 года назад

    That’s a great starting point for a default setting. I can actually play my shitty pearl 110’s pawn shop specials

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  2 года назад

      I'm glad the video has helped you get the best out of your pedal

  • @nightlite2013
    @nightlite2013 Год назад

    Thank you so much! Great explanation

  • @seanecmc
    @seanecmc Год назад

    More great information, thank you!

  • @gabrielmorin-beland1745
    @gabrielmorin-beland1745 Год назад

    Last ajustement that makes a lot of difference: Bass drum batter head tension.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      Yes, that is an excellent point! Very often overlooked. But must be cautious, that you don't tighten it too much, cause it could reduce that low bottom thump. It's trying to find that sweet spot where it is tight but still has that low bottom end

  • @jjfloyd618
    @jjfloyd618 Год назад

    Excellent information, well presented, subscribed 👍

  • @jax-sx9pk
    @jax-sx9pk 20 дней назад

    Hi! New drummer here! Thanks for the video, it is helpful! I am a short woman with small feet and it feels like I have to work too hard. In my first few months I would have to stop after 20 mins or so because my shin muscles would be cramping. It is better now, I can last about 2 hours per day. Still, I feel like something is off. Sometimes, my foot slips up the pedal and my toes touch the chain, and I know when it happens because the beater hits my shin, haha. I try to keep my toes farther back but then it is difficult to push the pedal and I feel like I put too much of my body weight into the kicks.I notice that the beaterhead chatters against the drum if I don't bury it. Is this normal? I am wondering if there are pedals made for drummers with smaller feet who aren't as strong as others.

  • @adityatyagi4009
    @adityatyagi4009 7 месяцев назад

    Very informative! Which pedals do you personally use? Thanks.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  5 месяцев назад +1

      Besides the one on the video, I also use the Yamaha FP9C. Great pedal! Thanks for watching!

  • @jcdrums2798
    @jcdrums2798 Год назад

    very good advices

  • @ulusulu
    @ulusulu 3 года назад

    Thankyou very much!

  • @mattsetoki2304
    @mattsetoki2304 7 месяцев назад

    Badass video!

    • @mattsetoki2304
      @mattsetoki2304 7 месяцев назад

      Going out to buy a yamaha pedal rn 😂

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  5 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Yamaha pedal will not disappoint. Cheers!

  • @redknightprez
    @redknightprez 3 года назад

    Great vid....thnx!

  • @PaulMarangoni
    @PaulMarangoni 2 месяца назад

    You forgot about footboard angle.

  • @xyanide1986
    @xyanide1986 2 года назад +2

    I like how you go into good default settings, but the wiggle number seems like an odd thing. Isn't that just an indicator of the wear on the bearings? I don't see how that makes a pedal bad to play on.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  2 года назад +2

      Thanks for the comment. In my experience the wiggle count is indicative of the overall smoothness of the pedal. And the energy the spring gives you. It's as if the pedal almost plays itself when the wiggle count is high. I worked in a drum store for almost 15 years and try many pedals and I can tell you with certainty that all pro pedals have high wiggle counts and are so easy to control. Where as the lower models, the spring mechanism is lower quality producing low wiggle counts which means that there is a bit more resistance to deal with when playing them. You have to work harder to make it do what you want it to do. But this video explains how to maximize any pedal by incorporating the default settings. A lower quality pedal can still be OK when you apply the default settings.

    • @xyanide1986
      @xyanide1986 2 года назад +1

      @@WholeLottaDrumming the video did help a lot. I got the tama iron cobra 200 entry model and I started bagging and bringing it from my house to band sessions. Much better.

  • @VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans
    @VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans 9 месяцев назад

    How can the discrepancy of tension/position between the slave pedal and main pedal in a double pedal be overcome? Mine always has a slight offset compared to the main pedal and no adjustment seems to balance them out where the tension and travel distance are equal across pedals. It seems the problem comes from the bend in the drive shaft but there doesn't seem to be a way around it.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks for chiming in. I don't use double bass drum pedal so I can't really give you any insight. But thank you for watching the video!

  • @ACLOCKWORKDRUMMER
    @ACLOCKWORKDRUMMER 2 года назад

    Unfortunately some of the best pedals deal with some Allen screws mixed in with drum key screws

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      You are correct. I find it an inconvenience when I play a backline kit where the pedal needs an Allen key to make adjustments. Most of us don't carry Allen keys or a tool box with us. It's not an excuse, I should always have one as part of my travel pack, but it is so much easier dealing with pedals where all you need is a drum key to adjust. Us drummers have drum keys everywhere.

  • @pierrefitch
    @pierrefitch Год назад

    What’s the best pedal for a eDrum kit alesis surge special edition

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      There is no best pedal. Just gotta find one that allows you to play comfortably. Like the video says, it's how you set it.

  • @steveross8326
    @steveross8326 8 месяцев назад

    It would help the tone of the drum if the beater cpontacted the had in the centre......jus' sayin'.........

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  8 месяцев назад

      It's tough to position the beater to strike the head exactly in the centre. With each size kick drum, the beater will be striking the head at different locations. But you are correct. The closer to the centre, the better.

  • @krusher74
    @krusher74 Год назад

    No mention of fitting new bearing etc? just but a whole new pedal!

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      Sorry, but not quite sure I understand the comment. Can you elaborate? I wanna understand so that I can give you a proper reply. And thanks for watching! Cheers!

    • @MrMurUK
      @MrMurUK 11 месяцев назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming I think the commentator was suggesting that new bearings could be fitted to an existing pedal rather than replacing the whole pedal.

    • @dadsmail
      @dadsmail 4 месяца назад

      +1 I bought a beat up fp6110a that did 10-15 wiggles. Replaced the metal bushing of the spring rocker hub with a same sized ball bearing. Instantly improved to 45 to 50 wiggles. I also have an fp9500 I bought new. 35 wiggles max

  • @manfredmarius5773
    @manfredmarius5773 Год назад

    My wiggle count is 5-6, I have an old Pearl Eliminator strap drive. Does changing the spring or spring assembly improve it? I mean, I’m not struggling while playing.. but will changing that spring make it easier?

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      It's worth trying. At least you now have a gauge. Current spring gives you 5-6 wiggles. Swap the spring and see if it increases the wiggle count. Make sure that the tension adjuster is set to 75%.

    • @larrytate1657
      @larrytate1657 Год назад

      Pearls have rly stronger springs than most others. I wouldn’t go 75 to 80 percent on pearls imo. Try only 50 percent on pearl. Seem some use less even w pearl.

  • @td-12kx53
    @td-12kx53 3 года назад

    Interesting!

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  3 года назад

      The pedal set up properly makes a huge difference, especially for this who are starting off.

  • @costasci
    @costasci Год назад

    I have a Sonor dp472 and it's now almost unplayable and i dont understand why... I've tried to lubricate it but it still give 5 Wiggle max ... Any thought ?

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      The wiggle count is a guide indicating how much of the pedal does the work for you. If you are able to play comfortably on a '5 wiggle pedal' then that's fine. But if you feel that it is hindering your bass drum playing then I would seriously consider trying another pedal with a high wiggle count and see if it is easier to play. You don't have to buy one at first. You can borrow one or rent one first.

  • @karllager2214
    @karllager2214 Год назад +1

    I change my spring tension often while practicing. You're not going to have your equipment or good equipment on gigs. Don't get too comfortable with a super precise set up, it won't always be available

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      I have 2 of the same pedals, set up identical. One for practicing and 1for gigging. This way when I am gigging, my pedal will feel the same as when I am practicing.

    • @karllager2214
      @karllager2214 Год назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming I dig.

  • @coricsbaterista30
    @coricsbaterista30 Год назад

    Any tips about direct drives? I recently have my Yamaha FP9D a month ago and this is my first time using direct drive pedals i've been using chain drive pedals eversince and im having a little struggle on direct drive.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      My first good pedal was a ludwig speed king in my teenage years. I haven't used a direct drive since then. So i don't have any tips unfortunately

    • @krusher74
      @krusher74 Год назад

      the drive must be straight and not twisted causing side loading on the bearings.

  • @lorislaruedrummer6739
    @lorislaruedrummer6739 Год назад +1

    Okay so hear me out, for the 1st point, just buy some oil and put it on every moving point
    If it's not enough, change the bearing, skate bearings fits most pedal, can be a game changer, and it's way cheaper than a new pedal
    Then
    The tension of the spring does NOT hold the energy, in fact, with great technique, you are able to play without springs

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      All good points. The video was meant to help those who may not be "Do it Yourselfers" and for those who do not have the time to learn how to play a pedal without springs. It's basically meant to provide a default setting. As mentioned in the video, I encouraged viewers to play around with the settings

  • @janzedwicksantos6015
    @janzedwicksantos6015 Год назад

    I have double pedal and my left pedal doesn't bounce. I do every thing on my pedal and still doesn't bounce. Just like the problem on my friends new pedal that he buy on online market.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      Have you tried adjusting the pedal the way I showed on the video?

    • @janzedwicksantos6015
      @janzedwicksantos6015 Год назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming yes. But youre video really help if I'm gonna used other pedal

  • @russellesimonetta9071
    @russellesimonetta9071 10 месяцев назад

    Uhh I started drumming in 1963. Six months later the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan. My first pedal was a Rogers Swervomatic. The best pedal I ever played! I could get trips out it!! I bought it in 1965! In the ninties some load suck stole it from a lounge in Vegas but left a high end pearl pedal in it,s place. So whoever it was wasn't really an asshole just a considerate load suck!!!

  • @walt2162
    @walt2162 2 месяца назад

    I guess less than 1 wiggle isn't too good😢

  • @hellodre
    @hellodre Год назад

    My wiggle count was 117!

  • @ampegloud
    @ampegloud Год назад +1

    If your videos are any good, you won't need to put in subscribe bring that button bell you don't need to do that if your videos are good, people will put in there bell ringers and subscription. Like I said, don't do that leave it alone lecture video speak for itself.

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      Thank you for your feedback! I just uploaded a new video yesterday on paradiddles and I thought about what you said while I was editing. I did not sprinkle subscription messages during the first quarter and half way points like I usually do. Only saved it for the end. Once again, thank you for your input! Cheers!

  • @I_ROT_WITHIN
    @I_ROT_WITHIN Год назад

    You don't need an expensive pedal if you're starting out

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад

      You are correct! You do not need an expensive pedal. The content in this video will help you go into a drum store and perform the wiggle tests on all the pedals on display and you can select the least expensive one with the highest wiggle counts. Cheers!

  • @Jack_Fuego
    @Jack_Fuego Год назад

    My pedals wiggle count was… 1 😐

    • @WholeLottaDrumming
      @WholeLottaDrumming  Год назад +1

      Oh oh! Was your wiggle count 1 after adjusting it to the default settings I mentioned on the video? If so, you may want to consider a new pedal. As mentioned on the video, you can go to a drum store and do the wiggle counts of all the pedals in display. You'll be surprised what a $100/150 pedal will do

    • @Jack_Fuego
      @Jack_Fuego Год назад

      @@WholeLottaDrumming New iron cobra went 40

    • @Haydenowjdbjaiwjdbhdjjbdjwiwjf
      @Haydenowjdbjaiwjdbhdjjbdjwiwjf 11 месяцев назад

      How much easier was it to play​@@Jack_Fuego

    • @Jack_Fuego
      @Jack_Fuego 11 месяцев назад

      @@Haydenowjdbjaiwjdbhdjjbdjwiwjf a lot easier lol, kind of greatful that I started w such a shitty pedal now 🤘

  • @Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate
    @Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate 8 месяцев назад

    ha my foot pedal is dog shlT