As an Attia fan, I’ve spent exactly zero dollars on his product recommendations. He always clearly discloses his conflicts and often speaks honestly about them. What I have gained is knowledge about trainin and diet. All for free. Now, it’s obvious that people do buy his endorsed products, but as long as he discloses the relationships, what’s the problem? He has never ever said that one of these products is required or necessary. Often he actually downplays them and specifically says they aren’t necessary.
The problems are legion: 1) medical professionals have to abide by professional ethics, lines can easily get crossed intentionally or unintentionally when tons of money are at stake. 2) there are countless cognitive biases infecting the influencer, and that’s just the sincere ones, not counting the snake oil. 3) honesty matters. Your acceptance and complacency are sad. It’s the crowding out of basic service and decency by the immoral logic of markets. See Michael Sandel’s “what money can’t buy” for more. 4) wealthier influencers can more easily grow and peddle their garbage compared to honest, decent ones not peddling garbage. The market always rewards the cheaters who are just adept at not getting caught or punished. 5) children grow up watching this trash, either but garbage products or become jaded cynics who don’t trust or believe anyone, because the whole country is run on lies, greed and deception.
@@RC-qf3mpYou’re just speaking in generalities here. Yes, all of those things CAN happen, but ARE they happening in the case of Dr. Attia? Honestly, these critiques all come across as sour grapes from people who are jealous that influencers are making a lot of money.
@@JoshMatthewsMorgan a non sequitur and ad hominem remark. Congratulations. And nothing of substance. Of course they are generalizations- true generalizations that accurately generalize in direct response to the issue at hand, namely, why this practice of influencers peddling garbage is so foul. Funny how you didn’t deny the truth of my claims. Easier to just insult people I suppose. And no, I’m from a generation that sees “influencers” as sideshows to reality. I’m quite content with my not in life and not having to peddle snake oil. No thanks.
@@RC-qf3mp You’ve given no examples or direct evidence that this is what’s happening in the case of Dr Attia. How can I “deny the truth of your claims” when you’ve not made a specific claim about Dr Attia? It’s true that those can be problems with influencers taking on sponsors. It’s not true of every single influencers who does that.
As a practicing physician in America there is a reason you have to report if you take so much as a bagel from a drug company. While it may seem ridiculous there's a lot of research on the psychology of decision making and conflicts of interest. I think a failure to understand the importance of conflicts of interest in decision making is one of the biggest threats to our democracy at present. For whatever reason sometimes people even view it as a mark of success and thus some kind of appeal to authority or something.
@@johnpienta4200 Oh come on. Most doctors are brainwashed big pharma shills and don’t even know it. Or want to admit it. When most doctors only prescribe pills, they’re not really creating health, they’re just creating lifelong customers.
I started listening to Andrew Huberman almost two years ago. So exciting at the beginning-the early sun, low lights at night, cold showers, and AG1. Huberman gives the impression he was a long time user of the product and they came to him with the offer to be a sponsor. Sounded so legit. I signed up for the monthly delivery knowing it was expensive but very alluring to this 76 year old grandmother. I felt part of a young and vibrant new clique. After six months “the thrill was gone” as one of my all time favorite songs goes. The article about Hubie capped it off. At my age if I’m going to spend two hours a week with a man I want him to live up to the image he has created around himself (troubled youth turned into thoughtful man). Oh well, to quote another favorite song, “ another one bites the dust”. Scott, thanks for your posts. I’m still excited to learn something new everyday-just not from Hubie and others like him.
Early sun exposure and low blue light at night are still great things to do. Just at some point these influencers run out of real things to talk about.
Not sure what it is you are disillusioned about? The “Huberman Article” should have caused concern if he was a married preacher espousing monogamy and a righteous lifestyle. He’s just a middle aged professor sharing his insights on neuroscience. His transformation story wasn’t one of morality, but of a directionless youth to academically driven success. It’s scary how an article of half truths, having nothing to do with the veracity of content a person is sharing, can tarnish the content itself.
@@sgcarney Worse on so many levels. Even the functional medicine practitioners are incentivized and create their own unregulated supplement lines to monetize their businesses. Big Food and Big Pharma control the airwaves and a significant portion of the media and the consumer ‘trusts’ the entities, corporations and medical figures they see and the content they produce. (IMHO).
And it had pretty direct effects. The opiod epidemic was largely fueled by outright lies perpetuated by the drug manufacturers, and by greasy shmoozing of doctors who were willing to peddle the products.
Dave Macleod, whose popular RUclips channel is mainly about rock climbing occasionally posts about diet and nutrition (he has some science chops here). Recently did a video about AG1 and drily commented that AG1 had offered him sponsorship, the inference being that RUclipsrs are being bought and paid for all over the place. Turned the financial assistance down, nice to see there's still folks with integrity.
As an epidemiologist in my 50s, I don’t see anything new. Drug and device companies have always paid academics to do studies and publish, then they send them to conferences and on expensive speaker tours. This corruption was institutionalized a long time ago, and you are correct, peer review can’t handle it. Love your video.
6 weeks into listening Attia podcasts, added zone2 to my exercise routine (strength+HIIT before), added more protein in my macro. Hasn’t costed me a penny yet, probably never will. It’s amazing how much you can learn at zero costs nowadays.
I’m now kind of obsessed with you and your podcast. Your reporting, humor, blunt truth, and ability to clarify notions that I have about so many “influencers” is top notch. You’re an amazing reporter (no t that my opinion matters) but thank you for being a voice in the world dedicated to sharing a side of a story most of us would never know otherwise. Thank you Scott. I’m now a fan.
I am following Attia's content regularly. Every time he mentioned Oura Ring in his podcast or other content, he always added, he is not independent because is working as a scientific advisor for the company. I do not always agree to everything what is Attia saying but I believe he is taking his disclosure and conflict of interest pretty seriously. I like many other Scott Carney's videos but this one is not the best one. I believe there is nothing wrong to get paid from external companies, if you are expert in some field, as long as you disclose it. Thera are few other things, for example the chart discussed on 16:15 - if you let Attia continue, he would explained that the sudden drop (a square chart) is impossible to reach, but his goal is to get as close as possible to that scenario. And so on....
@@sgcarneyThe contracts are telling about the industry as a whole. But focussing on Attia somewhat diluted your point. I've never found him to be pushing a product, I didn't even know he was associated with Oura. The only thing I hear him regularly promote is some venison protein sticks. Which I've never bought and probably never will.
I agree. But the important thing in this video is the understanding of the sums of money involved. Before I ever saw the video @sgcarney did on "Athletic Greens / AG1", I had concluded that the stuff was an overpriced multivitamin. And for me, the notion that this mix might somehow be "athletic" and/or some form of nutritional "green" (vegetable replacement?) seemed silly. It was clear to me that any health influencer who promotes the product is just doing so for the money. So they get a demerit for promoting an obviously overpriced multivitamin. Sadly, many of my favorite podcasters have taken part in this money grab. And it is disappointing.
@@spacejunkisforever6311 Really? Why is Attia different from Huberman? I follow both of them actually and they’re both supposed to have legitimate scientific background. I do have my own brain and don’t follow blindly. I also think AG1 is not worth it and it’s a big mistake for all these podcasts to associate with. Attia does however mentions his involvements with companies when he has investments in them. Haven’t heard about this particular product from him though
@@MoSec9huberman isn’t bad but two things: he borders on lala land stuff a little more than I care for - like sunlight stuff - red light therapy, even grounding he’s talked about. I get there is something to being exposed to morning sunlight for circadian rhythm stuff, he’s just a little nuts about it. Also the whole dating 5 women at the same time thing- whatever that madness what, to me puts him into the super shady category like the OP did.
@@MoSec9attia with the kevin spacey thing was pretty weird though too. And he can be really corny. But nothing really warranted this exposé video with him at the center of it.
Your advice as a medical doctor?! This kinda advice referring to a profession that nearly killed me brings back my rage. You all are not better.......way not better!
No…here’s what you do. Listen to the tons of great information on Huberman, Attia, etc and then use your brain when they endorse products, remembering that everyone is something. In other words, don’t discount a great message just because you don’t like the messenger.
@@mattstegall: That is a valid point, but I believe in disclosure. Of the many health videos I’ve seen, only a few mentioned their commercial connections, and those were all for exercise devices. Having a potential financial incentive can tempt people into favorably skewing their opinions. In my opinion as a doctor, influencers too often rhapsodize about things that financially benefit them whereas they ignore countless ways to foster better health, quite likely because there’s nothing in it for them. Ergo, disclosure matters, and in some areas and venues, it is mandated.
After read attias book, I’m now tracking macros adding way more protein, zone 2 training, strength training, joined a gym, improving my sleep. Basically laser focused workouts, nutrition. Haven’t spent any money other than the gym membership. If he didn’t have sponsors, I probably wouldn’t even know his name.
I worked in Higher Education . It started in the research labs of colleges which are ties to medical field and hospitals which ties to pharmaceutical companies etc .
Thanks for the honest perspective on top tier health influencers. Dr. Attia does include a list of disclosures on his website for companies he has invested in and/or advised, including Oura. He claims no affiliate marketing or compensation for endorsement. The above lawsuit seems to call this into question.
@@sgcarney @andrewbest5854 maybe its not clear enough for you but the disclosure states that he endorses companies that he is invested in and/or advises. I think you made the case for both although I only watched half the video. If its the amount of money that bothers you, then I encourage you to learn more about the influencer industry because others are making $10 to $20m for their endorsements albeit non-medical sectors. Imagine what the world's richest man is paying people to talk nice about him...
Atria is not a research scientist. I am a research methodologist. His conclusions have little or no merit. And he doesn’t know how much he misleads peopl
In the US, a blank check company is a SPAC. It's a bag of money that isn't attached to a real operating business yet, but intends to be eventually. In the Caymans, maybe it is some sort of tax avoidance offshoring thing, I don't know.
Caymans are a common formation venue for US listed SPACs. The primary benefit is tax related, although you're talking about a very small bill relative to the equity raise.
Most elderly people have problems getting up off the floor. As a child you spend a lot of time on the floor, adults do not. Doing yoga / stretching exercises on the floor can improve balance, mobility, flexibility and the ability to get up and down.. Just getting up and down to the floor in a controlled manner is difficult for many older adults. Play with your children on the floor. Bend over, get down and pull weeds in your garden. Play with a pet on the floor. The more effort you make to work on balance and flexibility will pay dividends as you age.
I never got this. I am a 240lb man and I can get up off the floor easily without using my hands. My wife even in her 20s wasn't as flexible or nimble and had trouble getting up even though she was optimal weight.
Could just lay a lot of tile, repair hardwood floors, lay paving stones, hand digging fence post holes, and just generally keep doing construction work. It really works for me, cured all my back ailments from doing dental work far too long. I could never enter a gym nor do yoga.
We all need to be wary of confirmation bias, and do our best to become informed and be critical when consuming all of the content that's out there. As much as I like Attia and many other "experts", I try to view them as aggregators of modern, leading edge thinking. I try to take various points in context, and glean useful ideas to better my life in all sorts of ways. I'm very thankful I live in a time where all of these educated people can share their thoughts to me for free. Nothing will ever be perfect, but it's pretty amazing this internet/RUclips gift we all have! Money does muddy the waters, but I've got no problem with brilliant people trying to get paid, as long as they shoot for integrity, and disclose conflicts of interest. We as consumers need to hone our critical thinking skills.
@JohnJr901 I 💯 agree with your comment. This host needs to be put in his place for this ruse. His trying to rile the (non-thinking) masses against an upstanding M.D. who has acted with integrity (my opinion - of course - but an educated one)...is Shameful😮 Frankly, if I were a podcast host I wouldn't want the type of subs this host is garnering from this crappy, sub-standard content. But then I wouldn't be cranking out lying, substandard crap like this, either😊
Oura is not a medical device, it is not FDA cleared. It is a consumer device like Apple Watch and other biometric wearables. Consumers are responsible for understanding the difference.
@@quantuminfinity4260 and it's still a complete joke. Even with a chest strap the use is minimal. Besides who can interpret an EKG curve correct? Most docs even can't do that. You can use it to document if you have problems but it gives very little insight into your heart function
This type of relationship is not only in the medical influencer sphere. Any time any YT channel promotes an item or service, remember it is Buyer Be Aware! We can easily be emotionally swayed to purchase the product or service especially if we like the person or persons promoting the item but in the end we all are responsible for doing our own due diligence.
Fascinating measured piece. Over the last decade or so it has become clear to many of us, that the standard pharmaceutical approaches to the ravages of chronic disease and aging are ineffective or even counter productive. What we are glimpsing here is the emergence of a new social media based pharmaceutical/device/doctor market, playing to ideas of optimization, "expert" management and demonstrations of social hierarchy through body display. It is so hard to escape the matrix... doesn't matter what color the pill is!
No, you've just been influenced by the charlatans whose message is primarily "Everything your doctor told you is wrong." They're ten-a-penny and all of them are grifters.
So true! This dynamic sadly also applies to academia. The hallowed halls of learning & research institutions, such as Stanford and Harvard, have been irreparably sullied by the exchange of direct compensation for endorsement in this same way. Who can you really trust?
The Huberman saga has left me feeling betrayed and disillusioned. I invested so much trust and admiration in someone who turned out to be so inauthentic and corrupt. It's a hard lesson to learn, but I'm determined to be more discerning and critical in the future. Thankyou Scott for doing a deep dive on this and all the other scientific influencers. This revelation has opened my eyes to the importance of critical thinking and scrutiny, and I've realized that even the most influential voices can be tainted by external interests. Since then, I've made a conscious decision to only follow scientists who aren't sponsored by external interests. Although they may be scarce, I believe that transparent and independent scientists will become more prominent, and I look forward to seeing increased transparency in the scientific community
He misled and stood up people in his life. His character integrity is not intact, hence trust is down. For some people of course him having several females believing they are exclusive with him at the same is proof of concept for his health & fitness information, probably many seek out this info to get laid.
@@jennifermeier3873 So you don't see a false equivalence in someones personal affairs and their work? Best not listen to most music then. I found his AG1 sponsorship the most disappointing thing I could give af what or who he has sex with if the information holds water its worth listening and learning from
@@jennifermeier3873 I don't think you have full information. The lady that accused him is convinced fraudster. Rest of the "females" from the article were anonymous so they could be faked. From my perspective the article was a hit peace for clicks, nothing concrete.
It’s so refreshing to hear the influencers, that so many people follow unquestioningly, being called out on conflicts of interest. So many of them do great work, but it becomes very dubious when we follow the money trail. And unfortunate that so few of them have real integrity. But I guess that’s what goes with the territory of ego and fame.
The problem I have with this video is actually identifying instances where there's a conflict of interest. It's not enough to say it's a huge issue without highlighting when it's happening. And with Attia he's very open about having an interest in the company on the rare occasions he mentions one.
My rule, the more sponsors they bark about, the less I listen to them. I mean they need to make a living I suppose. But the people truly working to help others and educate do not look for massive personal gain. It is a big red flag.
Not for nothing, but my grandma passed at 98 after 3 days of unconsciousmess, probably a stroke, but that's it. She was vibrant and healthy until then, so it was kinda like dropping off a cliff for her. I'm fascinated to hear about the money, and glad to know that Atilla seems decent. I'm hoping his advice will help me be like my grandma.
Thanks Scott. We need a lot more of these types of videos to at least balance out all the bought science influencers that seem to be coming out in droves. It baffles me how people live and die by the words these science influencers and bio hackers spew. I’ve seen it cause anxiety in people trying to follow protocols with unwavering intent. Get up, Roka sunglasses while staring at the sun, run to the ice bath and burn brown fat, run to get your buttered coffee followed by your AG1… now lift weights but not 15 minutes before lunch it has to be 20. Did you feel your type 2 muscle fibers explode? If not put your Oura ring on your right hand.
Great content and valid critiques. One thing I wonder about is the "all or nothing" approach which I hear in this video and from other journalists. It's found in this paraphrased version of your statement: if he's influenced in this one instance, how can we trust him in any instance? I don't think we shouldn't ever completely trust single individuals because bias is unavoidable. Instead of looking for the perfect source of information, one should be gathering from many sources. One can of course exclude sources which one deems too biased, and I suppose it's implied that Peter Attia (and other influencers in this space) are too biased.
oh for heavens sake can we stop comparing actually calling out questionable behavior to a witch hunt? it's perfectly legitimate to hold people who have power and influence accountable. this is how you do it.
@@lisedale6767 I agree. We should hold people accountable. This video is not a "witch hunt" and is a good critique of Attia. I only disagree with the sentiment "if I can't trust you on this item then I can't trust you on any item".
You have one more step to total enlightenment: understanding that all industries, not just science, and including politics are compromised and the related information. Source: History and human patterns
Only through this video, did I learn they were sponsored. It is indeed a conflict of interest. They should mention this in their presentations. They should be able to provide rational logic behind their support of products/services.
I have subscribed to Attia’s podcast for years and have listened repetitively to his opening statements stating how he has no conflict of interest in the products he promotes! I cannot thank you enough for bringing this lawsuit to our awareness. I lost respect for Attia a few months ago when he dissed Dave Feldman’s cholesterol research project during Attia’s interview with him. Now I can for sure never give anything Attia purports any credence.
For real. Who tf had time to pick through fruit and veggies at a market to find the ones that look the roughest and has the hardest life, and have the most benefits. Dumb
@@orirune3079 he is profitting on supplements like NMN and resveratrol, while at the same time conducting research on the exact supplements. It is a huge conflict of interest and funny enough his trials shows positive results while others get very different results. He also did some more shady stuff. There is a youtuber who have called him out a lot by the name of Dr Brad Stanfield if you are interested.
The whole AG-1 thing is just crazy. Just shows there are far too many people in this world that have more money than sense. I enjoy a lot of Huberman's podcasts (guest series) and he always talks about the fact a healthy diet is made up of whole foods and minimally processed foods, but then within the same podcast it cuts to an ad for AG-1 where he states that although he tries to consume enough vegetables, he often drinks AG-1 once OR TWICE per day to ensure he's getting enough "nutrients" - utterly ridiculous. If you eat a balanced diet across vegetables, meat, fruit, nuts etc. and supplement any specific area that you might be lacking due to any number of factors, you do not need to be consuming 1-2 green powder shakes per day costing you over £100 per month. As Dave Macleod says, if you need AG-1 you should look to improve your diet. If you're already on a good diet, you don't need AG-1 and instead could spend a fraction of the cost on any supplement that you may still require.
He clearly mentions that he has a relationship to oura and does some advising with them as well when he discusses this brand on his pod.He discloses relationships and lack of relationship to almost any product he recommends or discusses. This is common in medicine, and ingrained in anyone who works in medicine as being important and necessary.
On Peter Attia's website it lists the companies he invests in (Disclosures Page), the companies he advises and the companies he was previously connected with including Oura. What all of these influencers should also do is cite the studies they glean their information from including Huberman. That said I still follow both but research their claims. Peter as you said has publicly reversed course on some of his claims which is very admirable. This is the first video of yours I have listened to and will listen to more. Thanks.
Attias show notes are amazing, and have all the references. But you have to be a member! So have to pay. For me it's worth it as I get so many references to my inbox
Great video. Glad I clicked on it. Something of interest since you mentioned Oura and Whoop. My wife and I had our credit card compromised when we noticed 5 purchases of 3 Oura and 2 Whoop subscriptions. Which we didn’t think much about - we were concerned about the $4000 on our cards and getting that dealt with. The shady part is why would someone steal a credit card for five subscriptions to a wearable? You can’t do anything w that. Imagine their subscription line to investors are one line and their credit card clawbacks are another. Anyway that’s all I think about when I hear about wearables like Oura and Whoop.
The key for me is to realize that for people who are money hoarders, there is never enough. And many are willing to cut corners and overlook things they think no one else will find out about to rake in a little more. You could say maybe that is human nature in general. But not everyone has the opportunity to make ethical lapses to satisfy that hoarder itch. So watch out for the ones who have that opportunity. And take care of your health the best way you can so you have no need to go into the US healthcare system, or rather spend as little time in it as possible.
I really enjoyed the analysis and agree with your perspective. AG1 specifically seems like the most bogus of all the endorsements. I do think that Huberman and Attia both have a lot of positive things to offer, but there are clear red flags ajd conflicts of interest, and that's a shame.
His credibility has been brought in to question several times, the way he completely tossed aside the scientific consensus on processed red meat, leaving out his investment in a jerky company.
@@maud7946 I guess I should Google it, but I wanna know what they think. Processed red meat is. Stuff like jerky is not processed. That’s cured. When I think of processed meat, I think of chicken McNuggets and hotdogs and deli meats. So I’m trying to figure out what they mean by processed red meat.
I’ve worn an ŌURA ring since it was launched and I love it. Super useful for sleep tracking. I’ve persuaded many friends to get them. Attia discloses his relationships very clearly. I don’t agree with the implications of this video.
Same, Oura is a great product and I've had a great experience with both the product and the company. The focus here is weird, I mean every Kardashian promotes products for money, its just the way the world works. Health influencers are still influencers, its up to consumers to understand paid promotion and Peter Attia discloses his financial interests very clearly. No wrongdoing here
But that’s the thing, his associations with these companies is compromising his independence he’s supposed to have as a doctor when treating patients. It’s no different than if the doctor got paid to plug a certain drug and persuade patients to get it.
Well done, Scott, clear and cogent, thank you. But Ho Hum. Attia always discloses his relationships and roles with respect to products. The rest is up to consumers to conduct their own independent evaluations.
This was really insightful. I fell for the AG1 scam a for a few months. The good thing about Attia is that he interviews experts who don’t have RUclips channels. I think many of those interviews are high quality. But this does change my view of him a bit. Good looking out.
My read of this: From Attia's actions over the years, I think it is becoming obvious that money and autonomy Attia's primary motivator (aka F- you money), and the science and helping people come second. And all power to him - I love money and autonomy as much of the next guy. The thing that I find difficult, is that when it comes to healthcare, I just feel that doctors should put the interests of their patients' first, and then the money will flow automatically. In terms of Autonomy, In May Attia posted some instagram pics buddied up to Kevin Spacey. It's cool to support your friend, but it's a strange post given Spacey's public perception. Anyway, I think Rai misjudged Attia. He thought that Attia only cared about money and reputation. Rai thinks his arrangement with Attia is a bit shady, so feels he can renege on their deal. He doesn't think Attia will air out the questionable agreement. But again, here, Attia shows that it's not the money, it's not the reputation, it's the F- You money that he craves.
Peter Attia discloses all his potential conflicts of interest, and almost in every podcast he reminds the listeners to check the list of companies he collaborates with, or own shares of. Also, as far as I know he doesn’t practice intermittent fasting anymore because he is concerned that the loss of lean mass later in life could outweigh the benefit of intermittent fasting. Not because the science on that is shady.
Sadly all of this skepticism about money corruption is true of most academic research too - can’t rely only on nih funding so much that is published is backed by industry sponsorship
I've been listening to several attia podcasts related to training and what I can say is I never had the impression of being sold anything, and I'm always vary and aware of conflict of interest. I rather define him as very "nerdy" on training, cutting a hair in 8 equal parts. Everybody is out there trying to make some money. As far as I'm aware of that, I'm good
To be clear, Attia change on IF was _his_ model of it, which was never recommended for the general public. The science is clear on not eating past a certain time but no longer than 17 hours of fasting, giving the best metabolic outcomes without significant muscle loss. He was doing *3-day, water-only* fasts once a month and 7-day, water-only a quarter. To put it simply, that's a lot. He was losing a lot of muscle mass. Science-backed IF talks about what triggers autophagy, not just increasing the duration of fasting as much as possible. Attia admits, the science wasn't saying 7-day, water-only fasts, 4 times a year should be a thing. However, if we're talking about people who are metabolically sick, IF has long-term benefits that address diabetes and getting people off the meds that have long-term deleterious effects.
This was really well researched and presented. 20 years ago, many doctors went wild with trips and gifts and cash from pharmaceitucal companies in exchange for prescribing the newest drugs. That clearly was a conflict of interest. Dr. Oz recommended a new supplement every week and was even brought before the senate subcommittee on consumer protection a decade ago. He was not prescribing pills, but he was strongly recommending them. So this is something that should be considered. An influencer is an influencer and their job is to entertain people and sell products. A doctor being paid to be a spokesperson for a medical product seems to be in the same conflict of interest as you mentioned. He does openly disclose that he is on a board or has a relationship with these companies, though, so I would say if the products are not harmful and are potentially helpful, it really isn't a problem even if he makes millions of dollars from the sponsorships. His influence is worth that to companies. And he is putting his name and reputation on the line when he agrees to endorse them, so the monetary compensation is necessary. Why would he do something for free? Or just not ever mention any products ever, but what if some products are actually really helpful to people? Then, why wouldn't he want more people to know about them?
@HappinessinYourLife Very well stated, and clarifies in a nuanced way that there seems to be a lot of... (jealous? - sour grapes?) hullabaloo over nothing here. Many jumping on this bandwagon that the host is actually using as clickbait to increase his subscribership & grow his channel...which is really the ONLY valid issue here, (as pertaining to someone trying to pull one over on us for their own gain).
Some points are super valid, especially when it comes to the credibility of some of the players in this space. The one part that I fail to understand coming from people who have a background and talk about science is having the expectation for science evidence of the result of hypothetic innovation. Science is by definition focused on the past - documenting the objective truth of things that already happened. The tech startups and names such Attia and the like are operating mostly in the innovation/aspiration side of the spectrum, otherwise would lose the economic advantage.
Thanks for this video. I find these guys to be pretty transparent about what they're doing, but realize that many people don't get it. To me Attia (and Huberman) acknowledge openly that they don't know what they're talking about, but that they're talking about it anyway. Huberman is experienced in the study and teaching of ophthalmology and neurobiology, and like you or me likes to discuss other topics based on reading about them. Attia is experienced in "Corporate Risk Consulting" and in amateur automobile racing in what one of my physician friends calls "The Dentist's League." His observations on those two fields might be worth hearing.
Unfortunately, we don't do a good job of teaching critical thinking to the average student and so it really is a problem when Attia and Huberman convince people they are knowledgeable by throwing up a lot mechnastic language and technical jargon. They make a statement and it's missed completely that it's really a claim that isn't proven.
How do you come to the conclusion both Attia and Huberman are making sure to make clear they have no clue about the topics they talk about? Is there anyone out there who listens to either and isnt regularly reminded that Attia is an MD and Huberman a PhD neuroscientist, and it's made sure everyone is aware?
@@maxmeier532 I think the appearance that they might not know what they were talking about would only be apparant to people who have a similar level of training and education in science or medicine (or scientific criticism). I think they (i.e., Attia & Huberman etc.) signal, based on presenting the issues they are trained in, that they are not experts. But the way they discuss this in presentation and signal their limits of knowledge is only apparent to other people who have expertise (or who have tried to develop it). These people have a better understanding than the average viewer of how easy it is to go astray and what it takes to interpret research and keep up with developing knowledge. So I'm guessing that BluegillGreg probably has some background in bio-med academics, which would make it easier to detect potential grift. That doesn't mean it's easy for other people to see.
I stand with Peter Attia! This info was interesting and I appreciate the insight. I’m not going to sit around and wait for “studies” or “science” to catch up.
"Science", not to be confused with YT influencers, is why you didn't die of polio or some other disease while you were still a baby and are sitting here NOT waiting for "studies" and "science" to catch up. You can now go ahead and experiment for yourself, aka, "f*ck around and find out".
While I certainly agree that there are conflicts of interest among the influencer crowd that are certainly disturbing, I would also point out that the vast majority of Attia and Huberman’s advice benefits no sponsors. Getting regular exercise, getting some sun, or eating a diet high in unprocessed food can be accomplished without their sponsors. Also, is it wrong for a scientifically inclined person to invest their money in businesses that support their existing mission? In short, while calling out these conflicts of interest is important, I’d argue that your piece casts a rather large pall over all their advice, with your choice of tone and wording implying that their advice is all in their own financial self-interest when that is hardly the case. Both influencers talk at length about zero cost protocols and have been generally clear about their sponsorship agreements.
Duh, they rope you in with basic good advice that your parents should have given you. Then once you trust them you buy what they are schilling. It’s the long game. Watch the Sting and you’ll understand.
Money would not be offered to these influencers if it did not result in increased sales. Sponsorships do affect what/how information is being offered. Pointing this out is really important. Attia may be good at not overplaying his hand, but it's very appropriate to call him out all the same. You can of course continue to follow him.
@@Notzen238 make NO mistake....Attia & Huberman are ALL about money PERIOD...Always trying to groom the most wealthy of clients to pay for "services" to support their agendas and stock options.
@@chrisg8995 I've listened to hundreds of hours of attia and huberman combined - (I stopped with huberman because ultimately he was just too long-winded), never had any temptation to buy anything they were selling. I think most modern people with media literacy understand that content creators have to make money and simply mentally filter out the ads. Obviously they wouldn't place ads if they didn't work. But the sausage has to get made somehow, not my problem if someone decides to pay $1/day for a placebo multivitamin powder.
Imagine a world where knowledge is freely shared, eliminating the hierarchical and financially burdensome education system (universities). Research could be conducted and accessed by anyone eager to contribute, regardless of their economic status. This vision might seem unrealistic, but it challenges the status quo. Unfortunately, this radical idea faces opposition. There are attempts to discredit and silence professors who share their knowledge openly. This frustration is palpable. Attia, Huberman,Sinclair, and Peterson deserve a bit more respect for there generosity.
Right? Who needs public education and universities when they can see whatever they want on the internet and take it as true. Let them do their own experiments and find out.
Just as rock musicians might get money for endorsing or playing a particular guitar, or set of guitar strings, it's inevitable that influencers will take money for talking about specific products or playing certain video games. Hah, Paul McCartney in 1965 was gifted a free bass by Rickenbacker. I'm sure Rickenbacker made it's money back on that investment, lol. And Paul's bass tone on records improved noticeably. A pure win-win. I now own five basses, but I never bought a Ricky (or a Hofner. for that matter). I still make my own decisions, as we all do. Oura rings are a certain type of tracker. There are other trackers. I checked them out, before deciding not to buy any. Getting a good night's sleep is about the choices you make the day before. So focus on making the right choices (get plenty of exercise, eat the right food and not too late, and take a sauna or hot bath before bed),
Good story! Definitely an important issue that goes far beyond this law suit. One small quibble: it is not correct to say that Peter’s lifestyle advice cannot be supported with evidence unless you do a longterm study where ever subject eventually dies. All you need to do is have a control group with participants with ages across the age spectrum and a group following Peter’s advice across the age spectrum. Then you just need to verify based on some objective markers whether the Peter advice group members are healthier, etc. than their same age corresponding control counterpart. If they have lower incidence of cancer, diabetes, cholesterol, etc. it can be inferred that as a group they will tend to live longer (because of less of the fatal old age disease) and if they also exhibit greater strength and physical fitness at all ages than the quality of their lives will be better. You do not need to do a 30 year study. You just need participants across a 30 year age range.
If Attia was truly intellectually flexible, he wouldn't be selling bogus supplement. The health sciences community have consistently agreed that most people don't need most supplements.
Peter recently mentioned in his podcast that he is not using Oura anymore. I wonder if this lawsuit is the cause - i.e. his prior usage and promotion of this product was driven by money in the first place rather than his belief in the quality of the product.
This video was very well done. About time for someone to lift the veil on Attia and Huberman. The latter is especially great at presenting complete rubbish in a way that it FEELS like a scientific gospel.
I've stopped watching and unsubscripted to many on these "medical" influencers EXCEPT for Dr Rohin Francis on Medlife Crisis. I haven't been a fan of Huberman for a long time, even pre-scandal.
Huberman imo has the same problem someone like Neil de Grasse has. At some point their ego and money hunger got so big that they started branching out into topics they have zero competence and it shows. With de Grasse much worse. But Huberman to me always gave of a very strong narcissistic manipulator personality . He pushes his credentials to a point it's a lie. Never trust someone like that
@@philhunt168 Yes. Dr. Carvalho on Nutrition Made Simple is definitely one of my favorites. He doesn't take sponsorships and he doesn't have a supplement to hawk.
@@joe1071 yep interesting enough a lot of these channels develop into single minded supplement rip offs with at best questionable use. Dr. Berg, Huberman...etc. I will look into your recommendation. Huberman sure gives some good advice but to me gives of a very strange vibe of insecurity were he often seems to have the need to show of talking about simple stuff like it's string theory.
Sadly, not so shocking anymore, especially about Peter Attia. He was talking about how disgusting he felt towards an emergency room patient who was Obese and in need to amputate hif feet due to Diabetes which was developed due to Insurance Companies around the world not treating Obesity as a Desease (and rather not paying anything to cover weight loss and dietician counseling to those who are 10-30% Overweight)... The young surgeon in Peter Attia as he revealed himself on TED Talks made sceptical people remaining sceptical about him genuinely trying to help people, as opposed to raking Billions from Wealthy Patients who can afford a Concierge Doctor (with conflicts of interest)... Any of the "celebrity" doctors or "famous" researchers and scientists should be viewed with sceptical lenses until their research is done and proven to be the Medical Standards of care...
You didn't mention Dr. Attia's disclosure page. He mentions this often in his podcasts. You have made a pretty important omission here, don't you think?
Thank you for the nuanced view. I see Attia as one of the if not the most rigorous healthfluencer. But he's human and humans are not perfect, especially if there aren't any laws against these practices. I was surprised to hear that Attia has a deal with Oura because I don't remember him mentioning it. It's not like Huberman and AG1, but maybe because it's so subtle it seems more credible. I hope he's using the money to pay high quality employees to do better research and not to buy race cars.
These bro casters are all so predictable… start off sharing honest research, go on JR show, increase viewership as a result, then drop the “honest “ part of the research for the $$$
Attia's company with Taubes that was backed by the billionaire was sketchy and interesting. They spent a lot of money to run a study to prove Taubes' theory on carbs being bad for you was right. The data showed the opposite, and they all barely mentioned the results. The company was shut down with quiet fanfare. Also, I always viewed with a raised eye and skepticism that "Dr." Attia never completed his medical residency, instead choosing to leave early and start work as a consultant with McKinsey. Perhaps an early indication of his eye towards the $$?
That's simply a lie. The research on a metabolic advantage for ketogenic diets confirmed an increase in base metabolic rate and has been further confirmed by Dr. David Ludwig's Lab. Even Kevin Hall, a principle detracter of the claim, has reviewed the data and confirmed the effect, with the only controversy being the intensity of the effect (as low as 75 to as much as 250 calories per day increased metabolic rate).
you mention a great point, there is actually a statistical approach for this point, I forgot how it works, but basically there are ways to visualise studies in a field that were never published indicating there is data that is held back that showed a negative outcome that the initiators didnt want to be public knowledge.
Thank you so much for bringing out accountability-these influencers got super-status in that they seem truthful and honest. You helped me to be more vigilant against them
I've listened to most of Attia's podcasts, I've never been tempted to buy anything he discussed, and he disclosed his relationships with companies he works with. So I don't personally have any concern. I think he invests or partners with companies he believes in, not just for the payout. It makes sense to me that if a company he partnered with him didn't fulfill their obligations to him, that he would no longer associate with their product.
Peter Attia takes great care to disclose conflicts of interest. Oura stood to gain considerably through an association with him, just as you do making this video. It’s nothing more than cutting down the tallest poppy.
not sure how to solve for money clouding or interfering with objectivity, but I agree it's likely a problem. particularly when it falls under the banner of science. thx for shedding some light on the issue.
A very informative video… IMHO: Capitalism permeates in every aspect of life and society, and there isn’t any surprise that online influencers are “influenced” by money. Any honest, factual opposite views and voices can provide informative and balanced perspectives on the motives and practices of these influencers. For Peter Attia, his podcasts and interviews are quite in-depth and has value to general audiences. His exercise regiments are very helpful to general population. His proposal of “Medicine 3.0”, however, is dubious. And his medical practice is concierge medicine that serves the niche of population who are rich and can afford it.
What people don’t realize is that the majority of health researchers are in one way or another compensated by drug or device companies. Look at any study published and you will see the conflict of interest. It is a sad state of affairs but the norm in the scientific space. So this video is in no way surprising
Yeah, the reality is that research projects costs money: equipment, rentals of space (sometimes), and staff. The money has got to come from somewhere. You can appy for grants but they are very competetive and you need to keep researching to produce publications (which you are not paid to produce) in order to remain relevant. Most scientists at most academic institutions need more money than just their salary to cover research. Another option that some scientists pursue to cover the costs of research is to start a foundation and solicit donations from people who believe in the cause (this is what Dr. Pepperberg did with her parrot research because she had no secure academic position for years). But yeah, it should not be surprising that scientists accept funding from companies to do research. They need money to do their work. The companies have money.
I very much agree. This does bring up questions about science itself over the past 100 years though. Go find science not funded, influenced or even suppressed by big agendas and power people.
While I recognise the general point being made my issue is with the obvious and direct references to Peter Attia. I've watched a lot of his stuff and I've read his book. I very rarely feel like he's pushing a product on anyone. Quite a few times he's mentioned this venison protein stick but that's just his source of protein. He recognises basically any source of protein is fine. People listen to Attia for the medical advice which is presumably based on the advice he gives his patients who are paying him a fortune. He has the facility to do huge amounts of research on epidemiology in order to offer the best preventative advice. And obviously he'll tailor this to his patients based on their own situation. He can't do those tests on his audience so has to offer generalised advice. And it's all completely logical and backed with science. And as I said, it's not connected to the products he's associated with. I think you could have picked better examples by starting with Attia's lawsuit and expanding to others.
Great job. Helpful and insightful take. I’m in the same boat. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but we’re in a new landscape with murky boundaries. Thank you for your work!!
Peter Attia also supports eating processed meat (he loves selling his deer jerky) and refused to believe the WHO and their recommendations based on hundreds of studies that processed meat causes cancer. That said, I do LOVE using the same heart rate monitor as him (Morpheus) that allows me to determine my heart rate zones. So… not throwing the baby out with the bath water but I wouldn’t follow his nutritional advice… thanks for a great video super interesting! I didn’t know there was this much money going around for Peter!
"Who is on their R&D team" nah not internet stars, just people who need to pretend like they love their job and that the product is the best thing ever even if they see problems with it, and odds are, they're Ukrainians, because that's the go-to outsourcing country for advanced engineering and science. If they were Finns, you couldn't just fire them or expect them to think a certain way.
He used a tracker, there are several different brands he could of used. It was part of the research so some device had to be used. The fact he, and by he what is meant is his organization, is compensated by that brand is irrelevant. Unless you are positing the results were skewed to make that a favourable brand? Even in that were true, the results would be effected only in so far as the differences between the one used and its competitors, it does not 'influence' what they are trying to accomplish within the research. Attia has never said he is doing this from the goodness of his heart, nearly always comes out and tells people if there is sponsorship, and/or is being endorse. He never hides he earns a living from this. He is not a Hero or deserves of a tribe a la Rogan, but he along with many others, have produced good material for people to contemplate. His book is excellent. Hopefully you are not trying to suggest Attia is operating on the same level as Huberman or Friedman, or Gundry or Pallidino? (edit: removed emotional assumption about Scott).
@@craigslist6988 written before full version, new comment above. However sponsorship and endorsement of which nearly everyone does in most online and social media circles, and loss of integrity is a big gap to bridge. Especially when it comes to a piece of tech. I think the chaff from the wheat so to speak is when the alt wellness world puts a scare into people, create conspiracy around big pharma, and or use cherry picked and/or poor studies, to convince people to buy alternative products. You may argue sleep trackers, trackers, etc. and other such devices to chart metrics and baselines and improvements are bogus, and that is fair. To me as long as they don't negate the work needed but document what is already there, I see no issue. He is certainly not trying to to tell people not having an oura will effect your sleep, he is saying it can give you insight. that is a big difference. If he gets paid for that and believes it is the best so be it.
Independence cannot be compromised without a concomitant reduction in credibility. For example Eric Trump has a conflict or bias which disqualifies him from sitting on Donald’s jury.
you obviously dont understand reasons why randomised double blind studies with no conflict of interest of the scientists are superior to non randomised open label studies where the scientist has stock options in the test object. You disqualify yourself. Stay out of this and save yourself from writing nonsense ad nauseam.
Valid point, but in a nutshell the ring, the green drink and so on are not medicine, but wearable devices and supplements. Plus, all the people mentioned in the video have a self-disclosure page listing products and companies affiliated with them, they draw the audience's attention to this in each video. I believe this should have been mentioned in the investigation. Otherwise it looks like an attempt to gain followers at someone else's expense.
I completely agree with your comment - I recognized this host's attempt to slay Dr. Attias' reputation in order to gain subs & grow this gossip-mongering host's channel. You called it right! I downvoted 👎this video days ago. I'm hoping that others here who see thru this farse - to the Truth of the matter - will do the same. A big Thumbs Down 👎 to this video😊
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As an Attia fan, I’ve spent exactly zero dollars on his product recommendations. He always clearly discloses his conflicts and often speaks honestly about them.
What I have gained is knowledge about trainin and diet. All for free.
Now, it’s obvious that people do buy his endorsed products, but as long as he discloses the relationships, what’s the problem? He has never ever said that one of these products is required or necessary. Often he actually downplays them and specifically says they aren’t necessary.
100% Agree.
The problems are legion:
1) medical professionals have to abide by professional ethics, lines can easily get crossed intentionally or unintentionally when tons of money are at stake.
2) there are countless cognitive biases infecting the influencer, and that’s just the sincere ones, not counting the snake oil.
3) honesty matters. Your acceptance and complacency are sad. It’s the crowding out of basic service and decency by the immoral logic of markets. See Michael Sandel’s “what money can’t buy” for more.
4) wealthier influencers can more easily grow and peddle their garbage compared to honest, decent ones not peddling garbage. The market always rewards the cheaters who are just adept at not getting caught or punished.
5) children grow up watching this trash, either but garbage products or become jaded cynics who don’t trust or believe anyone, because the whole country is run on lies, greed and deception.
@@RC-qf3mpYou’re just speaking in generalities here. Yes, all of those things CAN happen, but ARE they happening in the case of Dr. Attia? Honestly, these critiques all come across as sour grapes from people who are jealous that influencers are making a lot of money.
@@JoshMatthewsMorgan a non sequitur and ad hominem remark. Congratulations. And nothing of substance. Of course they are generalizations- true generalizations that accurately generalize in direct response to the issue at hand, namely, why this practice of influencers peddling garbage is so foul. Funny how you didn’t deny the truth of my claims. Easier to just insult people I suppose. And no, I’m from a generation that sees “influencers” as sideshows to reality. I’m quite content with my not in life and not having to peddle snake oil. No thanks.
@@RC-qf3mp You’ve given no examples or direct evidence that this is what’s happening in the case of Dr Attia. How can I “deny the truth of your claims” when you’ve not made a specific claim about Dr Attia? It’s true that those can be problems with influencers taking on sponsors. It’s not true of every single influencers who does that.
As a practicing physician in America there is a reason you have to report if you take so much as a bagel from a drug company. While it may seem ridiculous there's a lot of research on the psychology of decision making and conflicts of interest.
I think a failure to understand the importance of conflicts of interest in decision making is one of the biggest threats to our democracy at present. For whatever reason sometimes people even view it as a mark of success and thus some kind of appeal to authority or something.
Thank you for practicing empathy towards consumers in the USA
“As a practicing physician…”
…thanks for clarifying the obvious
How do I find out all the compensation my PCP has received from drug companies?
@@MatthewElvey openpaymentsdata cms gov
@@johnpienta4200 Oh come on. Most doctors are brainwashed big pharma shills and don’t even know it. Or want to admit it. When most doctors only prescribe pills, they’re not really creating health, they’re just creating lifelong customers.
I started listening to Andrew Huberman almost two years ago. So exciting at the beginning-the early sun, low lights at night, cold showers, and AG1. Huberman gives the impression he was a long time user of the product and they came to him with the offer to be a sponsor. Sounded so legit. I signed up for the monthly delivery knowing it was expensive but very alluring to this 76 year old grandmother. I felt part of a young and vibrant new clique. After six months “the thrill was gone” as one of my all time favorite songs goes. The article about Hubie capped it off. At my age if I’m going to spend two hours a week with a man I want him to live up to the image he has created around himself (troubled youth turned into thoughtful man). Oh well, to quote another favorite song, “ another one bites the dust”. Scott, thanks for your posts. I’m still excited to learn something new everyday-just not from Hubie and others like him.
Early sun exposure and low blue light at night are still great things to do. Just at some point these influencers run out of real things to talk about.
Consider drinking milk kefir instead.
@@wm6549 sponsored by the dairy industry. so many of these influencers are paid by the dairy and meat industry
Not sure what it is you are disillusioned about?
The “Huberman Article” should have caused concern if he was a married preacher espousing monogamy and a righteous lifestyle. He’s just a middle aged professor sharing his insights on neuroscience.
His transformation story wasn’t one of morality, but of a directionless youth to academically driven success.
It’s scary how an article of half truths, having nothing to do with the veracity of content a person is sharing, can tarnish the content itself.
AG1 is nice. Just massively overpriced. If I made $600k a year, it would be worth it for convenience.
I worked in the MedEd world for 20+ years and the incentivized deals and perks to your physicians and caretakers and trusted sources is mind boggling.
Is it trending better or worse in your mind?
@@sgcarney Worse on so many levels. Even the functional medicine practitioners are incentivized and create their own unregulated supplement lines to monetize their businesses. Big Food and Big Pharma control the airwaves and a significant portion of the media and the consumer ‘trusts’ the entities, corporations and medical figures they see and the content they produce. (IMHO).
And it had pretty direct effects. The opiod epidemic was largely fueled by outright lies perpetuated by the drug manufacturers, and by greasy shmoozing of doctors who were willing to peddle the products.
@@sgcarneytried to respond but it may have been deleted by YT.
@@sgcarney You've seen how the certain injections have been pushed recently - right? I'd say that's a clear sign things aren't getting better.
Dave Macleod, whose popular RUclips channel is mainly about rock climbing occasionally posts about diet and nutrition (he has some science chops here). Recently did a video about AG1 and drily commented that AG1 had offered him sponsorship, the inference being that RUclipsrs are being bought and paid for all over the place. Turned the financial assistance down, nice to see there's still folks with integrity.
As an epidemiologist in my 50s, I don’t see anything new. Drug and device companies have always paid academics to do studies and publish, then they send them to conferences and on expensive speaker tours. This corruption was institutionalized a long time ago, and you are correct, peer review can’t handle it. Love your video.
Yeah. It’s just a more recent incarnation of a long-standing grift.
6 weeks into listening Attia podcasts, added zone2 to my exercise routine (strength+HIIT before), added more protein in my macro. Hasn’t costed me a penny yet, probably never will. It’s amazing how much you can learn at zero costs nowadays.
I’m now kind of obsessed with you and your podcast. Your reporting, humor, blunt truth, and ability to clarify notions that I have about so many “influencers” is top notch. You’re an amazing reporter (no t that my opinion matters) but thank you for being a voice in the world dedicated to sharing a side of a story most of us would never know otherwise. Thank you Scott. I’m now a fan.
I so appreciate it. Thanks for coming to the channel.
I am following Attia's content regularly. Every time he mentioned Oura Ring in his podcast or other content, he always added, he is not independent because is working as a scientific advisor for the company. I do not always agree to everything what is Attia saying but I believe he is taking his disclosure and conflict of interest pretty seriously. I like many other Scott Carney's videos but this one is not the best one. I believe there is nothing wrong to get paid from external companies, if you are expert in some field, as long as you disclose it. Thera are few other things, for example the chart discussed on 16:15 - if you let Attia continue, he would explained that the sudden drop (a square chart) is impossible to reach, but his goal is to get as close as possible to that scenario. And so on....
I still think Attia is the best of the lot. That said, the contracts were very telling about the industry as a whole.
@@sgcarneyThe contracts are telling about the industry as a whole. But focussing on Attia somewhat diluted your point. I've never found him to be pushing a product, I didn't even know he was associated with Oura. The only thing I hear him regularly promote is some venison protein sticks. Which I've never bought and probably never will.
I agree. But the important thing in this video is the understanding of the sums of money involved.
Before I ever saw the video @sgcarney did on "Athletic Greens / AG1", I had concluded that the stuff was an overpriced multivitamin. And for me, the notion that this mix might somehow be "athletic" and/or some form of nutritional "green" (vegetable replacement?) seemed silly. It was clear to me that any health influencer who promotes the product is just doing so for the money. So they get a demerit for promoting an obviously overpriced multivitamin. Sadly, many of my favorite podcasters have taken part in this money grab. And it is disappointing.
@@FlatToRentUK He's not focussing on Attia without a reason, Attia filed a lawsuit.
@@maxmeier532Yeah, because Oura didn't pay him. But Attia does very little in terms of promoting products.
Attia, Huberman, and Sinclair are all super shady. And yes, AG1 is a total scam.
Don’t put Attia in the same category as Huberman and especially Sinclair. Not even close.
@@spacejunkisforever6311 Really? Why is Attia different from Huberman? I follow both of them actually and they’re both supposed to have legitimate scientific background. I do have my own brain and don’t follow blindly. I also think AG1 is not worth it and it’s a big mistake for all these podcasts to associate with. Attia does however mentions his involvements with companies when he has investments in them. Haven’t heard about this particular product from him though
@@MoSec9huberman isn’t bad but two things: he borders on lala land stuff a little more than I care for - like sunlight stuff - red light therapy, even grounding he’s talked about. I get there is something to being exposed to morning sunlight for circadian rhythm stuff, he’s just a little nuts about it. Also the whole dating 5 women at the same time thing- whatever that madness what, to me puts him into the super shady category like the OP did.
@@MoSec9attia with the kevin spacey thing was pretty weird though too. And he can be really corny. But nothing really warranted this exposé video with him at the center of it.
@@spacejunkisforever6311 Sun is only the reason we all exist, no big deal
Scott Carney should win a Pulitzer Prize for this and his other brilliant videos. My advice as a medical doctor: listen to him, not the shills.
Your advice as a medical doctor?! This kinda advice referring to a profession that nearly killed me brings back my rage. You all are not better.......way not better!
No…here’s what you do. Listen to the tons of great information on Huberman, Attia, etc and then use your brain when they endorse products, remembering that everyone is something. In other words, don’t discount a great message just because you don’t like the messenger.
@@mattstegall: That is a valid point, but I believe in disclosure. Of the many health videos I’ve seen, only a few mentioned their commercial connections, and those were all for exercise devices. Having a potential financial incentive can tempt people into favorably skewing their opinions.
In my opinion as a doctor, influencers too often rhapsodize about things that financially benefit them whereas they ignore countless ways to foster better health, quite likely because there’s nothing in it for them. Ergo, disclosure matters, and in some areas and venues, it is mandated.
Listen to the end of any of his podcast episodes. It’s all disclosed
After read attias book, I’m now tracking macros adding way more protein, zone 2 training, strength training, joined a gym, improving my sleep. Basically laser focused workouts, nutrition. Haven’t spent any money other than the gym membership. If he didn’t have sponsors, I probably wouldn’t even know his name.
@@sandramartin9784 he doesn’t have sponsor and you still know his name😁
I worked in Higher Education . It started in the research labs of colleges which are ties to medical field and hospitals which ties to pharmaceutical companies etc .
Thanks for the honest perspective on top tier health influencers. Dr. Attia does include a list of disclosures on his website for companies he has invested in and/or advised, including Oura. He claims no affiliate marketing or compensation for endorsement. The above lawsuit seems to call this into question.
It does, doesn’t it?
@@sgcarney @andrewbest5854 maybe its not clear enough for you but the disclosure states that he endorses companies that he is invested in and/or advises. I think you made the case for both although I only watched half the video. If its the amount of money that bothers you, then I encourage you to learn more about the influencer industry because others are making $10 to $20m for their endorsements albeit non-medical sectors. Imagine what the world's richest man is paying people to talk nice about him...
@@andrewbest5854 It is unreasonable to assume Dr Attia advises companies for free…
Atria is not a research scientist. I am a research methodologist. His conclusions have little or no merit. And he doesn’t know how much he misleads peopl
In the US, a blank check company is a SPAC. It's a bag of money that isn't attached to a real operating business yet, but intends to be eventually. In the Caymans, maybe it is some sort of tax avoidance offshoring thing, I don't know.
Caymans are a common formation venue for US listed SPACs. The primary benefit is tax related, although you're talking about a very small bill relative to the equity raise.
Most elderly people have problems getting up off the floor. As a child you spend a lot of time on the floor, adults do not.
Doing yoga / stretching exercises on the floor can improve balance, mobility, flexibility and the ability to get up and down..
Just getting up and down to the floor in a controlled manner is difficult for many older adults.
Play with your children on the floor. Bend over, get down and pull weeds in your garden. Play with a pet on the floor.
The more effort you make to work on balance and flexibility will pay dividends as you age.
I never got this. I am a 240lb man and I can get up off the floor easily without using my hands. My wife even in her 20s wasn't as flexible or nimble and had trouble getting up even though she was optimal weight.
Could just lay a lot of tile, repair hardwood floors, lay paving stones, hand digging fence post holes, and just generally keep doing construction work. It really works for me, cured all my back ailments from doing dental work far too long. I could never enter a gym nor do yoga.
We all need to be wary of confirmation bias, and do our best to become informed and be critical when consuming all of the content that's out there. As much as I like Attia and many other "experts", I try to view them as aggregators of modern, leading edge thinking. I try to take various points in context, and glean useful ideas to better my life in all sorts of ways. I'm very thankful I live in a time where all of these educated people can share their thoughts to me for free. Nothing will ever be perfect, but it's pretty amazing this internet/RUclips gift we all have!
Money does muddy the waters, but I've got no problem with brilliant people trying to get paid, as long as they shoot for integrity, and disclose conflicts of interest. We as consumers need to hone our critical thinking skills.
@JohnJr901
I 💯 agree with your comment.
This host needs to be put in his place for this ruse. His trying to rile the (non-thinking) masses against an upstanding M.D. who has acted with integrity (my opinion - of course - but an educated one)...is Shameful😮
Frankly, if I were a podcast host I wouldn't want the type of subs this host is garnering from this crappy, sub-standard content.
But then I wouldn't be cranking out lying, substandard crap like this, either😊
Oura is not a medical device, it is not FDA cleared. It is a consumer device like Apple Watch and other biometric wearables. Consumers are responsible for understanding the difference.
Exactly.
Entirely unimpressed by the FDA. And by influencers lol. No difference between them.
I'd be worried if it would be fda cleared lol
@@lowdowndan Apple Watches EKG functionality is FDA cleared.
@@quantuminfinity4260 and it's still a complete joke. Even with a chest strap the use is minimal. Besides who can interpret an EKG curve correct? Most docs even can't do that. You can use it to document if you have problems but it gives very little insight into your heart function
AG1 seems to be in trouble along with its many participants similar to this video. Allegedly a scam...
100%
Thank you for putting a spotlight on these medical influencers. Very much appreciated - your work, Sir!
Have a great day. 😊
Thank you!
Scott,
Thank you for your work.
The amount of rubbish pumped on social media is enormous.
This type of relationship is not only in the medical influencer sphere. Any time any YT channel promotes an item or service, remember it is Buyer Be Aware! We can easily be emotionally swayed to purchase the product or service especially if we like the person or persons promoting the item but in the end we all are responsible for doing our own due diligence.
I see this as very different. Make-up influencers and the like aren't trading on the credibility that comes with a M.D. or Phd.
@@patriciasanchezwebb Yes. Credibility in covid and opioid epidemic. Have you heard about replication crisis?
Fascinating measured piece. Over the last decade or so it has become clear to many of us, that the standard pharmaceutical approaches to the ravages of chronic disease and aging are ineffective or even counter productive. What we are glimpsing here is the emergence of a new social media based pharmaceutical/device/doctor market, playing to ideas of optimization, "expert" management and demonstrations of social hierarchy through body display. It is so hard to escape the matrix... doesn't matter what color the pill is!
No, you've just been influenced by the charlatans whose message is primarily "Everything your doctor told you is wrong."
They're ten-a-penny and all of them are grifters.
So true! This dynamic sadly also applies to academia. The hallowed halls of learning & research institutions, such as Stanford and Harvard, have been irreparably sullied by the exchange of direct compensation for endorsement in this same way. Who can you really trust?
@@Meckiffe1976 incredibly well-said!
The Huberman saga has left me feeling betrayed and disillusioned. I invested so much trust and admiration in someone who turned out to be so inauthentic and corrupt. It's a hard lesson to learn, but I'm determined to be more discerning and critical in the future. Thankyou Scott for doing a deep dive on this and all the other scientific influencers.
This revelation has opened my eyes to the importance of critical thinking and scrutiny, and I've realized that even the most influential voices can be tainted by external interests. Since then, I've made a conscious decision to only follow scientists who aren't sponsored by external interests. Although they may be scarce, I believe that transparent and independent scientists will become more prominent, and I look forward to seeing increased transparency in the scientific community
What did he do that was so inauthentic and corrupt?
He misled and stood up people in his life. His character integrity is not intact, hence trust is down. For some people of course him having several females believing they are exclusive with him at the same is proof of concept for his health & fitness information, probably many seek out this info to get laid.
@@jennifermeier3873 So you don't see a false equivalence in someones personal affairs and their work? Best not listen to most music then. I found his AG1 sponsorship the most disappointing thing I could give af what or who he has sex with if the information holds water its worth listening and learning from
@@jennifermeier3873 I don't think you have full information. The lady that accused him is convinced fraudster. Rest of the "females" from the article were anonymous so they could be faked. From my perspective the article was a hit peace for clicks, nothing concrete.
@@jennifermeier3873That he's bad at relationships (assuming that article was accurate) has no bearing on the quality of his scientific advice.
It’s so refreshing to hear the influencers, that so many people follow unquestioningly, being called out on conflicts of interest. So many of them do great work, but it becomes very dubious when we follow the money trail. And unfortunate that so few of them have real integrity. But I guess that’s what goes with the territory of ego and fame.
The problem I have with this video is actually identifying instances where there's a conflict of interest. It's not enough to say it's a huge issue without highlighting when it's happening. And with Attia he's very open about having an interest in the company on the rare occasions he mentions one.
My rule, the more sponsors they bark about, the less I listen to them.
I mean they need to make a living I suppose. But the people truly working to help others and educate do not look for massive personal gain.
It is a big red flag.
Not for nothing, but my grandma passed at 98 after 3 days of unconsciousmess, probably a stroke, but that's it. She was vibrant and healthy until then, so it was kinda like dropping off a cliff for her. I'm fascinated to hear about the money, and glad to know that Atilla seems decent. I'm hoping his advice will help me be like my grandma.
Thanks Scott. We need a lot more of these types of videos to at least balance out all the bought science influencers that seem to be coming out in droves. It baffles me how people live and die by the words these science influencers and bio hackers spew. I’ve seen it cause anxiety in people trying to follow protocols with unwavering intent. Get up, Roka sunglasses while staring at the sun, run to the ice bath and burn brown fat, run to get your buttered coffee followed by your AG1… now lift weights but not 15 minutes before lunch it has to be 20. Did you feel your type 2 muscle fibers explode? If not put your Oura ring on your right hand.
Right lol! These people are basically monetizing OCD.
Thanks!
THank you!
Great content and valid critiques.
One thing I wonder about is the "all or nothing" approach which I hear in this video and from other journalists. It's found in this paraphrased version of your statement: if he's influenced in this one instance, how can we trust him in any instance?
I don't think we shouldn't ever completely trust single individuals because bias is unavoidable. Instead of looking for the perfect source of information, one should be gathering from many sources.
One can of course exclude sources which one deems too biased, and I suppose it's implied that Peter Attia (and other influencers in this space) are too biased.
oh for heavens sake can we stop comparing actually calling out questionable behavior to a witch hunt? it's perfectly legitimate to hold people who have power and influence accountable. this is how you do it.
@@lisedale6767 I agree. We should hold people accountable. This video is not a "witch hunt" and is a good critique of Attia.
I only disagree with the sentiment "if I can't trust you on this item then I can't trust you on any item".
You have one more step to total enlightenment: understanding that all industries, not just science, and including politics are compromised and the related information. Source: History and human patterns
Only through this video, did I learn they were sponsored. It is indeed a conflict of interest. They should mention this in their presentations. They should be able to provide rational logic behind their support of products/services.
I have subscribed to Attia’s podcast for years and have listened repetitively to his opening statements stating how he has no conflict of interest in the products he promotes! I cannot thank you enough for bringing this lawsuit to our awareness. I lost respect for Attia a few months ago when he dissed Dave Feldman’s cholesterol research project during Attia’s interview with him. Now I can for sure never give anything Attia purports any credence.
Ha, you should do David Sinclair- influencer science guy that is a complete mess.
That guy is THE WORST.
@@spacejunkisforever6311 yep. You know he IS so BAD that he was able to play even (two?) big pharma companies like a fiddle
What's bad about him? I read his book a few years ago but that's the extent of my knowledge.
For real. Who tf had time to pick through fruit and veggies at a market to find the ones that look the roughest and has the hardest life, and have the most benefits. Dumb
@@orirune3079 he is profitting on supplements like NMN and resveratrol, while at the same time conducting research on the exact supplements. It is a huge conflict of interest and funny enough his trials shows positive results while others get very different results. He also did some more shady stuff. There is a youtuber who have called him out a lot by the name of Dr Brad Stanfield if you are interested.
The whole AG-1 thing is just crazy. Just shows there are far too many people in this world that have more money than sense. I enjoy a lot of Huberman's podcasts (guest series) and he always talks about the fact a healthy diet is made up of whole foods and minimally processed foods, but then within the same podcast it cuts to an ad for AG-1 where he states that although he tries to consume enough vegetables, he often drinks AG-1 once OR TWICE per day to ensure he's getting enough "nutrients" - utterly ridiculous. If you eat a balanced diet across vegetables, meat, fruit, nuts etc. and supplement any specific area that you might be lacking due to any number of factors, you do not need to be consuming 1-2 green powder shakes per day costing you over £100 per month.
As Dave Macleod says, if you need AG-1 you should look to improve your diet. If you're already on a good diet, you don't need AG-1 and instead could spend a fraction of the cost on any supplement that you may still require.
He clearly mentions that he has a relationship to oura and does some advising with them as well when he discusses this brand on his pod.He discloses relationships and lack of relationship to almost any product he recommends or discusses. This is common in medicine, and ingrained in anyone who works in medicine as being important and necessary.
He does disclose it. But disclosing something doesn’t make it go away.
@@sgcarney
...'doesn't make it go away'
that's an absolute non sequitur.
What the heck is your point there?
@@barbarafairbanks4578bias is his point. Perhaps your bias is preventing you from seeing the bigger picture.
@@barbarafairbanks4578 If you say, I do something bad, doesn't mean that it's not bad. I guess.
On Peter Attia's website it lists the companies he invests in (Disclosures Page), the companies he advises and the companies he was previously connected with including Oura. What all of these influencers should also do is cite the studies they glean their information from including Huberman. That said I still follow both but research their claims. Peter as you said has publicly reversed course on some of his claims which is very admirable. This is the first video of yours I have listened to and will listen to more. Thanks.
Attias show notes are amazing, and have all the references. But you have to be a member! So have to pay. For me it's worth it as I get so many references to my inbox
No trust to Attia anymore. It is all business packed into nice words and presentations.
Great video. Glad I clicked on it. Something of interest since you mentioned Oura and Whoop. My wife and I had our credit card compromised when we noticed 5 purchases of 3 Oura and 2 Whoop subscriptions. Which we didn’t think much about - we were concerned about the $4000 on our cards and getting that dealt with. The shady part is why would someone steal a credit card for five subscriptions to a wearable? You can’t do anything w that. Imagine their subscription line to investors are one line and their credit card clawbacks are another. Anyway that’s all I think about when I hear about wearables like Oura and Whoop.
Thank you Scott for bring this to our attention! Much appreciated!
You and your channel are proof positive that we need full supplement industry regulations and independent lab verification of what is in the bottles.
The key for me is to realize that for people who are money hoarders, there is never enough. And many are willing to cut corners and overlook things they think no one else will find out about to rake in a little more. You could say maybe that is human nature in general. But not everyone has the opportunity to make ethical lapses to satisfy that hoarder itch. So watch out for the ones who have that opportunity. And take care of your health the best way you can so you have no need to go into the US healthcare system, or rather spend as little time in it as possible.
I really enjoyed the analysis and agree with your perspective. AG1 specifically seems like the most bogus of all the endorsements. I do think that Huberman and Attia both have a lot of positive things to offer, but there are clear red flags ajd conflicts of interest, and that's a shame.
His credibility has been brought in to question several times, the way he completely tossed aside the scientific consensus on processed red meat, leaving out his investment in a jerky company.
processed red meat?
What did he say about processed red meat, precisely?
Neu5gc
lol please
@@maud7946
I guess I should Google it, but I wanna know what they think. Processed red meat is. Stuff like jerky is not processed. That’s cured. When I think of processed meat, I think of chicken McNuggets and hotdogs and deli meats. So I’m trying to figure out what they mean by processed red meat.
I’ve worn an ŌURA ring since it was launched and I love it. Super useful for sleep tracking. I’ve persuaded many friends to get them. Attia discloses his relationships very clearly. I don’t agree with the implications of this video.
Same, Oura is a great product and I've had a great experience with both the product and the company. The focus here is weird, I mean every Kardashian promotes products for money, its just the way the world works. Health influencers are still influencers, its up to consumers to understand paid promotion and Peter Attia discloses his financial interests very clearly. No wrongdoing here
I agree with you. He clearly discloses the relationship. I've gotten good value from the Oura ring and it's a nice product.
But that’s the thing, his associations with these companies is compromising his independence he’s supposed to have as a doctor when treating patients. It’s no different than if the doctor got paid to plug a certain drug and persuade patients to get it.
Well done, Scott, clear and cogent, thank you. But Ho Hum. Attia always discloses his relationships and roles with respect to products. The rest is up to consumers to conduct their own independent evaluations.
This was really insightful. I fell for the AG1 scam a for a few months. The good thing about Attia is that he interviews experts who don’t have RUclips channels. I think many of those interviews are high quality. But this does change my view of him a bit. Good looking out.
My read of this:
From Attia's actions over the years, I think it is becoming obvious that money and autonomy Attia's primary motivator (aka F- you money), and the science and helping people come second.
And all power to him - I love money and autonomy as much of the next guy. The thing that I find difficult, is that when it comes to healthcare, I just feel that doctors should put the interests of their patients' first, and then the money will flow automatically.
In terms of Autonomy, In May Attia posted some instagram pics buddied up to Kevin Spacey. It's cool to support your friend, but it's a strange post given Spacey's public perception.
Anyway, I think Rai misjudged Attia. He thought that Attia only cared about money and reputation. Rai thinks his arrangement with Attia is a bit shady, so feels he can renege on their deal. He doesn't think Attia will air out the questionable agreement. But again, here, Attia shows that it's not the money, it's not the reputation, it's the F- You money that he craves.
Peter Attia discloses all his potential conflicts of interest, and almost in every podcast he reminds the listeners to check the list of companies he collaborates with, or own shares of.
Also, as far as I know he doesn’t practice intermittent fasting anymore because he is concerned that the loss of lean mass later in life could outweigh the benefit of intermittent fasting. Not because the science on that is shady.
WELL DONE. I am now a huge fan and subscriber, excellent investigative work! Honest reporting like this is so hard to come by, excellent. ❤
Welcome aboard!
Sadly all of this skepticism about money corruption is true of most academic research too - can’t rely only on nih funding so much that is published is backed by industry sponsorship
I've been listening to several attia podcasts related to training and what I can say is I never had the impression of being sold anything, and I'm always vary and aware of conflict of interest. I rather define him as very "nerdy" on training, cutting a hair in 8 equal parts. Everybody is out there trying to make some money. As far as I'm aware of that, I'm good
This was a really great vid. Thanks for putting this out there man.
To be clear, Attia change on IF was _his_ model of it, which was never recommended for the general public. The science is clear on not eating past a certain time but no longer than 17 hours of fasting, giving the best metabolic outcomes without significant muscle loss. He was doing *3-day, water-only* fasts once a month and 7-day, water-only a quarter. To put it simply, that's a lot. He was losing a lot of muscle mass. Science-backed IF talks about what triggers autophagy, not just increasing the duration of fasting as much as possible. Attia admits, the science wasn't saying 7-day, water-only fasts, 4 times a year should be a thing.
However, if we're talking about people who are metabolically sick, IF has long-term benefits that address diabetes and getting people off the meds that have long-term deleterious effects.
If Peter Attia has been promoting Oura, openly or secretly, of course he demands money for his services.
This was really well researched and presented. 20 years ago, many doctors went wild with trips and gifts and cash from pharmaceitucal companies in exchange for prescribing the newest drugs. That clearly was a conflict of interest. Dr. Oz recommended a new supplement every week and was even brought before the senate subcommittee on consumer protection a decade ago. He was not prescribing pills, but he was strongly recommending them. So this is something that should be considered. An influencer is an influencer and their job is to entertain people and sell products. A doctor being paid to be a spokesperson for a medical product seems to be in the same conflict of interest as you mentioned. He does openly disclose that he is on a board or has a relationship with these companies, though, so I would say if the products are not harmful and are potentially helpful, it really isn't a problem even if he makes millions of dollars from the sponsorships. His influence is worth that to companies. And he is putting his name and reputation on the line when he agrees to endorse them, so the monetary compensation is necessary. Why would he do something for free? Or just not ever mention any products ever, but what if some products are actually really helpful to people? Then, why wouldn't he want more people to know about them?
@HappinessinYourLife
Very well stated, and clarifies in a nuanced way that there seems to be a lot of...
(jealous? - sour grapes?)
hullabaloo over nothing here.
Many jumping on this bandwagon that the host is actually using as clickbait to increase his subscribership & grow his channel...which is really the ONLY valid issue here, (as pertaining to someone trying to pull one over on us for their own gain).
Some points are super valid, especially when it comes to the credibility of some of the players in this space. The one part that I fail to understand coming from people who have a background and talk about science is having the expectation for science evidence of the result of hypothetic innovation. Science is by definition focused on the past - documenting the objective truth of things that already happened. The tech startups and names such Attia and the like are operating mostly in the innovation/aspiration side of the spectrum, otherwise would lose the economic advantage.
Oura is not a medical company. It's a wearable device company.
Thanks for this video. I find these guys to be pretty transparent about what they're doing, but realize that many people don't get it. To me Attia (and Huberman) acknowledge openly that they don't know what they're talking about, but that they're talking about it anyway. Huberman is experienced in the study and teaching of ophthalmology and neurobiology, and like you or me likes to discuss other topics based on reading about them. Attia is experienced in "Corporate Risk Consulting" and in amateur automobile racing in what one of my physician friends calls "The Dentist's League." His observations on those two fields might be worth hearing.
Unfortunately, we don't do a good job of teaching critical thinking to the average student and so it really is a problem when Attia and Huberman convince people they are knowledgeable by throwing up a lot mechnastic language and technical jargon. They make a statement and it's missed completely that it's really a claim that isn't proven.
How do you come to the conclusion both Attia and Huberman are making sure to make clear they have no clue about the topics they talk about? Is there anyone out there who listens to either and isnt regularly reminded that Attia is an MD and Huberman a PhD neuroscientist, and it's made sure everyone is aware?
@@maxmeier532 I think the appearance that they might not know what they were talking about would only be apparant to people who have a similar level of training and education in science or medicine (or scientific criticism). I think they (i.e., Attia & Huberman etc.) signal, based on presenting the issues they are trained in, that they are not experts. But the way they discuss this in presentation and signal their limits of knowledge is only apparent to other people who have expertise (or who have tried to develop it). These people have a better understanding than the average viewer of how easy it is to go astray and what it takes to interpret research and keep up with developing knowledge. So I'm guessing that BluegillGreg probably has some background in bio-med academics, which would make it easier to detect potential grift. That doesn't mean it's easy for other people to see.
“not knowing what you’re talking about” and “being an unobvious paid shill” are different. The first is ignorance, the second is shenanigans.
Hey now. Dentist here. Whatyoutalkinbout, Willis?
I stand with Peter Attia! This info was interesting and I appreciate the insight. I’m not going to sit around and wait for “studies” or “science” to catch up.
"Science", not to be confused with YT influencers, is why you didn't die of polio or some other disease while you were still a baby and are sitting here NOT waiting for "studies" and "science" to catch up. You can now go ahead and experiment for yourself, aka, "f*ck around and find out".
While I certainly agree that there are conflicts of interest among the influencer crowd that are certainly disturbing, I would also point out that the vast majority of Attia and Huberman’s advice benefits no sponsors. Getting regular exercise, getting some sun, or eating a diet high in unprocessed food can be accomplished without their sponsors. Also, is it wrong for a scientifically inclined person to invest their money in businesses that support their existing mission? In short, while calling out these conflicts of interest is important, I’d argue that your piece casts a rather large pall over all their advice, with your choice of tone and wording implying that their advice is all in their own financial self-interest when that is hardly the case. Both influencers talk at length about zero cost protocols and have been generally clear about their sponsorship agreements.
well... you don't need a 10,000 hours of podcast to tell you exactly that...
Duh, they rope you in with basic good advice that your parents should have given you. Then once you trust them you buy what they are schilling. It’s the long game. Watch the Sting and you’ll understand.
Money would not be offered to these influencers if it did not result in increased sales. Sponsorships do affect what/how information is being offered. Pointing this out is really important. Attia may be good at not overplaying his hand, but it's very appropriate to call him out all the same. You can of course continue to follow him.
@@Notzen238 make NO mistake....Attia & Huberman are ALL about money PERIOD...Always trying to groom the most wealthy of clients to pay for "services" to support their agendas and stock options.
@@chrisg8995 I've listened to hundreds of hours of attia and huberman combined - (I stopped with huberman because ultimately he was just too long-winded), never had any temptation to buy anything they were selling. I think most modern people with media literacy understand that content creators have to make money and simply mentally filter out the ads. Obviously they wouldn't place ads if they didn't work. But the sausage has to get made somehow, not my problem if someone decides to pay $1/day for a placebo multivitamin powder.
Imagine a world where knowledge is freely shared, eliminating the hierarchical and financially burdensome education system (universities). Research could be conducted and accessed by anyone eager to contribute, regardless of their economic status. This vision might seem unrealistic, but it challenges the status quo. Unfortunately, this radical idea faces opposition. There are attempts to discredit and silence professors who share their knowledge openly. This frustration is palpable. Attia, Huberman,Sinclair, and Peterson deserve a bit more respect for there generosity.
Imagine a world when science was not influenced by … influencers.
Right? Who needs public education and universities when they can see whatever they want on the internet and take it as true. Let them do their own experiments and find out.
Scott you are a great journalist and a great story teller. Thank you also for the subjects you chose.
Just as rock musicians might get money for endorsing or playing a particular guitar, or set of guitar strings, it's inevitable that influencers will take money for talking about specific products or playing certain video games. Hah, Paul McCartney in 1965 was gifted a free bass by Rickenbacker. I'm sure Rickenbacker made it's money back on that investment, lol. And Paul's bass tone on records improved noticeably. A pure win-win. I now own five basses, but I never bought a Ricky (or a Hofner. for that matter). I still make my own decisions, as we all do.
Oura rings are a certain type of tracker. There are other trackers. I checked them out, before deciding not to buy any. Getting a good night's sleep is about the choices you make the day before. So focus on making the right choices (get plenty of exercise, eat the right food and not too late, and take a sauna or hot bath before bed),
Need more videos likes this, full transparency.
Good story! Definitely an important issue that goes far beyond this law suit. One small quibble: it is not correct to say that Peter’s lifestyle advice cannot be supported with evidence unless you do a longterm study where ever subject eventually dies. All you need to do is have a control group with participants with ages across the age spectrum and a group following Peter’s advice across the age spectrum. Then you just need to verify based on some objective markers whether the Peter advice group members are healthier, etc. than their same age corresponding control counterpart. If they have lower incidence of cancer, diabetes, cholesterol, etc. it can be inferred that as a group they will tend to live longer (because of less of the fatal old age disease) and if they also exhibit greater strength and physical fitness at all ages than the quality of their lives will be better. You do not need to do a 30 year study. You just need participants across a 30 year age range.
Fair point.
Thanks!
Thank you!!
Yall I am confused. I don't see how its crazy that these guys get money from sponsors. Its a normal business practice just don't fall for ads.
did you miss the part about compromising the research
@@twilit without money there is no research
@@MicahLunt Is research is compromised then it isn't really research.
@@trail.blazer if you wanna look at compromised research there are so many people and institutions actually doing it.
And how much research is actually independent?
I like Dr's encouraging health trackers
Thank you for the independent intel. 🏊🏋🏼♂️🦊
If Attia was truly intellectually flexible, he wouldn't be selling bogus supplement. The health sciences community have consistently agreed that most people don't need most supplements.
Peter recently mentioned in his podcast that he is not using Oura anymore. I wonder if this lawsuit is the cause - i.e. his prior usage and promotion of this product was driven by money in the first place rather than his belief in the quality of the product.
I bet the lawsuit is the cause.
This video was very well done. About time for someone to lift the veil on Attia and Huberman. The latter is especially great at presenting complete rubbish in a way that it FEELS like a scientific gospel.
I've stopped watching and unsubscripted to many on these "medical" influencers EXCEPT for Dr Rohin Francis on Medlife Crisis. I haven't been a fan of Huberman for a long time, even pre-scandal.
Huberman imo has the same problem someone like Neil de Grasse has. At some point their ego and money hunger got so big that they started branching out into topics they have zero competence and it shows. With de Grasse much worse. But Huberman to me always gave of a very strong narcissistic manipulator personality . He pushes his credentials to a point it's a lie. Never trust someone like that
Came here to say pretty much this, and nutrition made simple.
@@philhunt168 Yes. Dr. Carvalho on Nutrition Made Simple is definitely one of my favorites. He doesn't take sponsorships and he doesn't have a supplement to hawk.
Nutrition made simple is the GOAT
@@joe1071 yep interesting enough a lot of these channels develop into single minded supplement rip offs with at best questionable use. Dr. Berg, Huberman...etc. I will look into your recommendation.
Huberman sure gives some good advice but to me gives of a very strange vibe of insecurity were he often seems to have the need to show of talking about simple stuff like it's string theory.
Peter attia has been pretty sneaky in the past, but this has definitely taken it to another level
I'm new to your channel. Excellent report. Subscribed!
Sadly, not so shocking anymore, especially about Peter Attia. He was talking about how disgusting he felt towards an emergency room patient who was Obese and in need to amputate hif feet due to Diabetes which was developed due to Insurance Companies around the world not treating Obesity as a Desease (and rather not paying anything to cover weight loss and dietician counseling to those who are 10-30% Overweight)... The young surgeon in Peter Attia as he revealed himself on TED Talks made sceptical people remaining sceptical about him genuinely trying to help people, as opposed to raking Billions from Wealthy Patients who can afford a Concierge Doctor (with conflicts of interest)... Any of the "celebrity" doctors or "famous" researchers and scientists should be viewed with sceptical lenses until their research is done and proven to be the Medical Standards of care...
You didn't mention Dr. Attia's disclosure page. He mentions this often in his podcasts. You have made a pretty important omission here, don't you think?
Scott, thank you for bringing up to light this corruption that shouldn’t exist in a scientific community.
Kind regards Cecilia Tregear
"Watch here as I square my income curve across my life".
Thank you for the nuanced view. I see Attia as one of the if not the most rigorous healthfluencer. But he's human and humans are not perfect, especially if there aren't any laws against these practices.
I was surprised to hear that Attia has a deal with Oura because I don't remember him mentioning it. It's not like Huberman and AG1, but maybe because it's so subtle it seems more credible. I hope he's using the money to pay high quality employees to do better research and not to buy race cars.
These bro casters are all so predictable… start off sharing honest research, go on JR show, increase viewership as a result, then drop the “honest “ part of the research for the $$$
Its all about the money the honesty and integrity disappears once money is involved.
Thanks for the very informative video Scott! I just subscribed to your channel on the strength of your analysis and explanation in this video.
Welcome aboard!
Attia's company with Taubes that was backed by the billionaire was sketchy and interesting. They spent a lot of money to run a study to prove Taubes' theory on carbs being bad for you was right. The data showed the opposite, and they all barely mentioned the results. The company was shut down with quiet fanfare. Also, I always viewed with a raised eye and skepticism that "Dr." Attia never completed his medical residency, instead choosing to leave early and start work as a consultant with McKinsey. Perhaps an early indication of his eye towards the $$?
I agree. The detour as a consultant was very strange for a top doctor.
That's simply a lie. The research on a metabolic advantage for ketogenic diets confirmed an increase in base metabolic rate and has been further confirmed by Dr. David Ludwig's Lab. Even Kevin Hall, a principle detracter of the claim, has reviewed the data and confirmed the effect, with the only controversy being the intensity of the effect (as low as 75 to as much as 250 calories per day increased metabolic rate).
you mention a great point, there is actually a statistical approach for this point, I forgot how it works, but basically there are ways to visualise studies in a field that were never published indicating there is data that is held back that showed a negative outcome that the initiators didnt want to be public knowledge.
Thank you so much for bringing out accountability-these influencers got super-status in that they seem truthful and honest. You helped me to be more vigilant against them
I've listened to most of Attia's podcasts, I've never been tempted to buy anything he discussed, and he disclosed his relationships with companies he works with. So I don't personally have any concern. I think he invests or partners with companies he believes in, not just for the payout. It makes sense to me that if a company he partnered with him didn't fulfill their obligations to him, that he would no longer associate with their product.
Peter Attia takes great care to disclose conflicts of interest. Oura stood to gain considerably through an association with him, just as you do making this video. It’s nothing more than cutting down the tallest poppy.
not sure how to solve for money clouding or interfering with objectivity, but I agree it's likely a problem. particularly when it falls under the banner of science.
thx for shedding some light on the issue.
Thanks for watching. Let me know if you ever puzzle out how to do it. It's a tough nut to crack.
A very informative video… IMHO:
Capitalism permeates in every aspect of life and society, and there isn’t any surprise that online influencers are “influenced” by money.
Any honest, factual opposite views and voices can provide informative and balanced perspectives on the motives and practices of these influencers.
For Peter Attia, his podcasts and interviews are quite in-depth and has value to general audiences. His exercise regiments are very helpful to general population. His proposal of “Medicine 3.0”, however, is dubious. And his medical practice is concierge medicine that serves the niche of population who are rich and can afford it.
What people don’t realize is that the majority of health researchers are in one way or another compensated by drug or device companies. Look at any study published and you will see the conflict of interest. It is a sad state of affairs but the norm in the scientific space. So this video is in no way surprising
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Yeah, the reality is that research projects costs money: equipment, rentals of space (sometimes), and staff. The money has got to come from somewhere. You can appy for grants but they are very competetive and you need to keep researching to produce publications (which you are not paid to produce) in order to remain relevant. Most scientists at most academic institutions need more money than just their salary to cover research.
Another option that some scientists pursue to cover the costs of research is to start a foundation and solicit donations from people who believe in the cause (this is what Dr. Pepperberg did with her parrot research because she had no secure academic position for years).
But yeah, it should not be surprising that scientists accept funding from companies to do research. They need money to do their work. The companies have money.
I very much agree. This does bring up questions about science itself over the past 100 years though. Go find science not funded, influenced or even suppressed by big agendas and power people.
Scott always brings great news. Thanks for sharing.
Always!
While I recognise the general point being made my issue is with the obvious and direct references to Peter Attia. I've watched a lot of his stuff and I've read his book. I very rarely feel like he's pushing a product on anyone. Quite a few times he's mentioned this venison protein stick but that's just his source of protein. He recognises basically any source of protein is fine.
People listen to Attia for the medical advice which is presumably based on the advice he gives his patients who are paying him a fortune. He has the facility to do huge amounts of research on epidemiology in order to offer the best preventative advice. And obviously he'll tailor this to his patients based on their own situation. He can't do those tests on his audience so has to offer generalised advice. And it's all completely logical and backed with science. And as I said, it's not connected to the products he's associated with.
I think you could have picked better examples by starting with Attia's lawsuit and expanding to others.
One video at a time.
keep up this kind of investigative work. we need more of this
Thank you for the thought-provoking video! Follow the money
…and see where it goes.
Great job. Helpful and insightful take. I’m in the same boat. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but we’re in a new landscape with murky boundaries.
Thank you for your work!!
Glad it was helpful!
Love the investigative journalism❤
Peter Attia also supports eating processed meat (he loves selling his deer jerky) and refused to believe the WHO and their recommendations based on hundreds of studies that processed meat causes cancer. That said, I do LOVE using the same heart rate monitor as him (Morpheus) that allows me to determine my heart rate zones. So… not throwing the baby out with the bath water but I wouldn’t follow his nutritional advice… thanks for a great video super interesting! I didn’t know there was this much money going around for Peter!
"Who is on their R&D team" nah not internet stars, just people who need to pretend like they love their job and that the product is the best thing ever even if they see problems with it, and odds are, they're Ukrainians, because that's the go-to outsourcing country for advanced engineering and science. If they were Finns, you couldn't just fire them or expect them to think a certain way.
He used a tracker, there are several different brands he could of used. It was part of the research so some device had to be used. The fact he, and by he what is meant is his organization, is compensated by that brand is irrelevant. Unless you are positing the results were skewed to make that a favourable brand? Even in that were true, the results would be effected only in so far as the differences between the one used and its competitors, it does not 'influence' what they are trying to accomplish within the research. Attia has never said he is doing this from the goodness of his heart, nearly always comes out and tells people if there is sponsorship, and/or is being endorse. He never hides he earns a living from this. He is not a Hero or deserves of a tribe a la Rogan, but he along with many others, have produced good material for people to contemplate. His book is excellent. Hopefully you are not trying to suggest Attia is operating on the same level as Huberman or Friedman, or Gundry or Pallidino? (edit: removed emotional assumption about Scott).
You should probably bother yourself enough to watch the first five minutes before shilling bro
@@craigslist6988 written before full version, new comment above. However sponsorship and endorsement of which nearly everyone does in most online and social media circles, and loss of integrity is a big gap to bridge. Especially when it comes to a piece of tech. I think the chaff from the wheat so to speak is when the alt wellness world puts a scare into people, create conspiracy around big pharma, and or use cherry picked and/or poor studies, to convince people to buy alternative products. You may argue sleep trackers, trackers, etc. and other such devices to chart metrics and baselines and improvements are bogus, and that is fair. To me as long as they don't negate the work needed but document what is already there, I see no issue. He is certainly not trying to to tell people not having an oura will effect your sleep, he is saying it can give you insight. that is a big difference. If he gets paid for that and believes it is the best so be it.
Independence cannot be compromised without a concomitant reduction in credibility. For example Eric Trump has a conflict or bias which disqualifies him from sitting on Donald’s jury.
you obviously dont understand reasons why randomised double blind studies with no conflict of interest of the scientists are superior to non randomised open label studies where the scientist has stock options in the test object. You disqualify yourself. Stay out of this and save yourself from writing nonsense ad nauseam.
Valid point, but in a nutshell the ring, the green drink and so on are not medicine, but wearable devices and supplements.
Plus, all the people mentioned in the video have a self-disclosure page listing products and companies affiliated with them, they draw the audience's attention to this in each video. I believe this should have been mentioned in the investigation. Otherwise it looks like an attempt to gain followers at someone else's expense.
I completely agree with your comment -
I recognized this host's attempt to slay Dr. Attias' reputation in order to gain subs & grow this gossip-mongering host's channel.
You called it right!
I downvoted 👎this video days ago. I'm hoping that others here who see thru this farse - to the Truth of the matter - will do the same.
A big Thumbs Down 👎 to this video😊