hello i am a new subscriber and i have been watching your videos i think you r doing gret job i hope i have the abrites like you do but in my country there r just chinese copy
Tim, I noticed a few thing and wondered or you would be having special reasons for doing things this way. you did not do Configuration, mileage adjustment and Key ID's Last time I did this I also took the key ID's and did not need to program the key again? Can't recall I did configuration and would be wise not to fill that one in?
You are correct... I have done the same... one I had real issues with, for some reason when I put in the key data, it didn't like it and wouldn't see the key when put in the antenna.. put the other keys in and they worked fine... After putting the other keys in, I used the key programming and did the just add another key and add to immo data.. It wrote the same data I was trying to input, but this time it worked... and, this video was 3 years ago, we have actually progressed a little in that time...
Tim , question, this one is easy, how about the VDO version (1K Golf V) - if no key is present you cannot read the immo data on the replacement cluster to change it (cannot enter boot mode message). Opening the cluster also presents itself a real challenge (to get to the eeprom)?
@@timtracy9442 thnx for answering, This was Micronas, 2004/2005 Golf 5. Reading new dash to replace immo data no go since it says 'no working key' . Opened it (split back from front) and read eeprom with VVDI Prog, put it in service mode, flashed old data back and then read the data by OBD... and was able to change to data from car / adapt it to car immo.
Hi Tim there is any chance to read the eeprom to a cluster and select the immo data from there and put it in another one for example from minidot to a maxidot without the need of the fvdi tool
It is not possible / it does not make sense to do it. The code of the eeprom which manages a maxidot with a full display (e.g. 1K0 920 874) is different from that which manages a minidot with a half display (e.g. 1K0 920 864). In other words, their dumps are not interchangeable.
Hi Tim! After I unsuccessfully tried to learn new key trough "key learning" I've got a massage is "Immobilizer adjustment failure" and blinking yellow sign ( key-car) in a dash. Car is still running but I can't erase this message with VCDS and abrities. Letta 06, MK5. How to deal with this trouble?
is this a new body style jetta, or a 2005 jetta that was reistered in 2006??? 2005.5 is the transition date... Did you pre program a key and make it a dealer key? If not, that is the first thing to do... also, does the ECU and the cluster have the same VIN?
Hi! Yes, it's a new body, manufactured date is 06,06. Instrument cluster parts number started from 1K0, rest of number I'll read in my shop, I don't have tools at my home. No, I'm not started to make a dealer key, my steps: key learning - standard mode - make one more key. I didn't connect programmer to main module, why I've got this error. Abrities tried to program but can't found programmer and return in main menu. I think why I've got error message. Anyway, how to cope this error? Replace instrument cluster?
A lot of times I read vag ecu, like Benzin seimens or Bosch, and it tills me to wait for security access, while keep ignition on. Any input on this situation?. Sometimes I wait one hour and can't get access via obd....
I have only had it access the ECU a few times in the car when it is either a new/used ECU in the car, or when you are trying to access the ECU for CS during key programming with AKL.. Most VAG cars after 2005.5 have a seperate gateway, when it sees that you are trying to read data from the ECU and you don't have a working key, or that the ECU is from a different vehicle, it limits communication.. Best bet is to pull ECU and read on the bench... I hate it when the program says, waiting for security access.. I give up and try a different method then...
Hey Tim, I purchased an SVCI Abrites Commander 2019 tool which should be coming in the mail shortly. I plan to clone the cluster on my 2009 MK5 Jetta Midline Dashboard to a 2009 VW GTI Highline Dashboard. Do you have any updated videos on what you mentioned you've progressed on?
You do realize that what you bought is a chinese clone of an expensive tool??? Not trying to be a dick, but you get what you pay for... I would read data from the original, then try and write to the new/used cluster.. just remember, the 06-08 clusters are micronas, whereas the 2009 clusters are going to be NEC.. if you don't have a working key for the new/used cluster, you are going to either eprom, or get an NEC cluster cable to be able to get it into service mode.... take a look at this vid, it is more of what you are going to encounter... ruclips.net/video/oAK_z9hQiqg/видео.html good luck...
@@timtracy9442 I've been trying to find someone in the USA to do the work but haven't had any luck. Only retrofitters are people in the UK and they wont help with the current import fees to mail stuff back and forth. I'd be more willing to ship my clusters to someone like you to do it with the proper tools.
@@jaredneedell7006 have you compared the clusters?? the Micronas has a big plug on the back, and the NEC has a small blue plug... Both are easy to remove, pull the bottom trim, unscrew the 20 mm torx, and pull.. the 2008 should be hard to pull, but will pop out of the plug and you will be able to pull it out.. 2009 should have a blue plug on the back that you will have to undo before you pull the cluster all the way out... Can I ask why you are changing out the cluster??
@@timtracy9442 They are both big plugs, my 2009 has a black plug. I think start in 2010 the jettas have that blue plug you are referring to. I'm hoping in the future if I can get this cluster swap to work I'd try with a white MFD cluster which I know has those blue plugs. I'm changing out the cluster since my current is a mid-line (half screen with no customization) to a GTI which is a full high line cluster that will show fuel, radio, nav, etc.
Hi Tim, I've got problems with a 2009 eos with micronas immo came into garage as none runner ,immo activated message on display. I read the file of 24c32 and It shows 2 keys programmed to immo which came with car.when I look at key learning all the box are no,seems to be a problem with adaption.Even tried used clocks with this immo but same problem. Any help would be appreciated Thanks Alan.
Have you looked at the ECU??? If the immo in the cluster doesn't get data back from ECU, it will act just like keys are not programmed... Also, after 2005.5 all these cars have a seperate gateway, is it OK? Without a scan showing what each module is doing, it's hard to do much except throw out ideas... I have had 3 cras in the last month with what the garage thought were immo problems that turned out to be mice chewing on wires... Good luck...
Thanks for getting back to me Tim,Engine ecu seems ok getting data back just shows key signal fault.I found that water had got into the gateway controller connector, Looks like this has caused the problem.It seems to be a immo data issue, I swopped the data into another set clocks and got the same problem even on the bench setup.Could I send you the immo file and scan to look at. Thanks Alan.
Sure, not sure if I can fix anything... When you look at the cluster, does it have the same vin, CS, pin, and MAC as the ECU??? As long as those are the same, it should start... Did the gateway get replaced? and was it coded correctly?? What is the immo status of the cluster??? I have had a couple after dinking around with them, I had to leave the key on overnight.... tim@tracylockandkey.com
Thanks Tim,finally sorted it the gateway scewed up the configuration data ,replaced it with data from used clocks and adapted keys.The new gateway is on order,just cleaned up the corroded terminals for now. Thanks for your help Alan.
Boss I need your help I have 2007 A38P and I think I have brick my cluster with a china Xtool I messed with the eeprom in cluster adjustment section now i think I lost the eeprom the cluster isn’t turning on I need some advice please …
@@marc-alexandreauger4730 what year audi A3? they made them for a lot of years and they have NEC and Micronas clusters in them.. a part number is great, if you have a part number interchange book..
When AVDI reads the cluster, it shows you the power class... Or if you don't have a cluster to read from, read ECU with AVDI, it will give you CS, MAC, and PIN, and power class...
@@timtracy9442 the version VW started using from about mid 2007. Was slightly different and more secure than Immo4. What was the year of this cluster you did?
@@seh97 this was out of a 2006 or 2007... and please realize, this video was made many moons ago.. back then we didn't have all the bells and whistles in the software... This was a micronas cluster, and basically we still do them the same.. now I read the data from the cluster and do a snippet (screenshot) then save it and then put the new/used cluster in the car and manually change the immo data.. And if you are wondering why I do it manually, it is because there are fifty million clusters out there that have the same part number, but different internals... VW put out the clusters for bid, lowest bid made a batch, then they bid again... I have read and saved the data and then just wrote that dat to a new/used cluster, and then the cluster is dark.... It is much easier to change the data manually and the reboot the cluster.. it hasn't failed me yet...
And where can i find the power class on engine ecu if i can't read on cluster ?
hello i am a new subscriber and i have been watching your videos i think you r doing gret job i hope i have the abrites like you do but in my country there r just chinese copy
Are you using Avdi ?
Tim, I noticed a few thing and wondered or you would be having special reasons for doing things this way. you did not do Configuration, mileage adjustment and Key ID's
Last time I did this I also took the key ID's and did not need to program the key again? Can't recall I did configuration and would be wise not to fill that one in?
You are correct... I have done the same... one I had real issues with, for some reason when I put in the key data, it didn't like it and wouldn't see the key when put in the antenna.. put the other keys in and they worked fine... After putting the other keys in, I used the key programming and did the just add another key and add to immo data.. It wrote the same data I was trying to input, but this time it worked... and, this video was 3 years ago, we have actually progressed a little in that time...
Tim , question, this one is easy, how about the VDO version (1K Golf V) - if no key is present you cannot read the immo data on the replacement cluster to change it (cannot enter boot mode message). Opening the cluster also presents itself a real challenge (to get to the eeprom)?
Have you watched my NEC cluster video??? That explains how we do those...
@@timtracy9442 thnx for answering, This was Micronas, 2004/2005 Golf 5. Reading new dash to replace immo data no go since it says 'no working key' . Opened it (split back from front) and read eeprom with VVDI Prog, put it in service mode, flashed old data back and then read the data by OBD... and was able to change to data from car / adapt it to car immo.
Hi Tim there is any chance to read the eeprom to a cluster and select the immo data from there and put it in another one for example from minidot to a maxidot without the need of the fvdi tool
It is not possible / it does not make sense to do it. The code of the eeprom which manages a maxidot with a full display (e.g. 1K0 920 874) is different from that which manages a minidot with a half display (e.g. 1K0 920 864). In other words, their dumps are not interchangeable.
Hello. this method does not work for Visteon golf 5
Doesn't read power class?
Hi Tim! After I unsuccessfully tried to learn new key trough "key learning" I've got a massage is "Immobilizer adjustment failure" and blinking yellow sign ( key-car) in a dash. Car is still running but I can't erase this message with VCDS and abrities. Letta 06, MK5. How to deal with this trouble?
is this a new body style jetta, or a 2005 jetta that was reistered in 2006??? 2005.5 is the transition date... Did you pre program a key and make it a dealer key? If not, that is the first thing to do... also, does the ECU and the cluster have the same VIN?
Hi! Yes, it's a new body, manufactured date is 06,06. Instrument cluster parts number started from 1K0, rest of number I'll read in my shop, I don't have tools at my home.
No, I'm not started to make a dealer key, my steps: key learning - standard mode - make one more key.
I didn't connect programmer to main module, why I've got this error.
Abrities tried to program but can't found programmer and return in main menu.
I think why I've got error message.
Anyway, how to cope this error?
Replace instrument cluster?
A lot of times I read vag ecu, like Benzin seimens or Bosch, and it tills me to wait for security access, while keep ignition on. Any input on this situation?. Sometimes I wait one hour and can't get access via obd....
I have only had it access the ECU a few times in the car when it is either a new/used ECU in the car, or when you are trying to access the ECU for CS during key programming with AKL.. Most VAG cars after 2005.5 have a seperate gateway, when it sees that you are trying to read data from the ECU and you don't have a working key, or that the ECU is from a different vehicle, it limits communication.. Best bet is to pull ECU and read on the bench... I hate it when the program says, waiting for security access.. I give up and try a different method then...
@@timtracy9442 thanks
Hey Tim, I purchased an SVCI Abrites Commander 2019 tool which should be coming in the mail shortly. I plan to clone the cluster on my 2009 MK5 Jetta Midline Dashboard to a 2009 VW GTI Highline Dashboard. Do you have any updated videos on what you mentioned you've progressed on?
You do realize that what you bought is a chinese clone of an expensive tool??? Not trying to be a dick, but you get what you pay for... I would read data from the original, then try and write to the new/used cluster.. just remember, the 06-08 clusters are micronas, whereas the 2009 clusters are going to be NEC.. if you don't have a working key for the new/used cluster, you are going to either eprom, or get an NEC cluster cable to be able to get it into service mode.... take a look at this vid, it is more of what you are going to encounter... ruclips.net/video/oAK_z9hQiqg/видео.html good luck...
@@timtracy9442 I've been trying to find someone in the USA to do the work but haven't had any luck. Only retrofitters are people in the UK and they wont help with the current import fees to mail stuff back and forth. I'd be more willing to ship my clusters to someone like you to do it with the proper tools.
My car is a 2009 so i have a working key, the donor cluster is from a 2008 GTI.
@@jaredneedell7006 have you compared the clusters?? the Micronas has a big plug on the back, and the NEC has a small blue plug... Both are easy to remove, pull the bottom trim, unscrew the 20 mm torx, and pull.. the 2008 should be hard to pull, but will pop out of the plug and you will be able to pull it out.. 2009 should have a blue plug on the back that you will have to undo before you pull the cluster all the way out... Can I ask why you are changing out the cluster??
@@timtracy9442 They are both big plugs, my 2009 has a black plug. I think start in 2010 the jettas have that blue plug you are referring to. I'm hoping in the future if I can get this cluster swap to work I'd try with a white MFD cluster which I know has those blue plugs. I'm changing out the cluster since my current is a mid-line (half screen with no customization) to a GTI which is a full high line cluster that will show fuel, radio, nav, etc.
Were can i find the pwr can please someone replay to me because im not understanding were can i find it
are you looking for power, or password??
Hi Tim,
I've got problems with a 2009 eos with micronas immo came into garage as none runner ,immo activated message on display. I read the file of 24c32 and It shows 2 keys programmed to immo which came with car.when I look at key learning all the box are no,seems to be a problem with adaption.Even tried used clocks with this immo but same problem.
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks Alan.
Have you looked at the ECU??? If the immo in the cluster doesn't get data back from ECU, it will act just like keys are not programmed... Also, after 2005.5 all these cars have a seperate gateway, is it OK? Without a scan showing what each module is doing, it's hard to do much except throw out ideas... I have had 3 cras in the last month with what the garage thought were immo problems that turned out to be mice chewing on wires... Good luck...
Thanks for getting back to me Tim,Engine ecu seems ok getting data back just shows key signal fault.I found that water had got into the gateway controller connector, Looks like this has caused the problem.It seems to be a immo data issue, I swopped the data into another set clocks and got the same problem even on the bench setup.Could I send you the immo file and scan to look at.
Thanks Alan.
Sure, not sure if I can fix anything... When you look at the cluster, does it have the same vin, CS, pin, and MAC as the ECU??? As long as those are the same, it should start... Did the gateway get replaced? and was it coded correctly?? What is the immo status of the cluster??? I have had a couple after dinking around with them, I had to leave the key on overnight.... tim@tracylockandkey.com
Thanks Tim,finally sorted it the gateway scewed up the configuration data ,replaced it with data from used clocks and adapted keys.The new gateway is on order,just cleaned up the corroded terminals for now.
Thanks for your help
Alan.
IMMO off on ECU. Will be started with screw driver
hello a query as the board emulator is called very good your video thank you
Hello.Is it original abrites ????
Yes, it is the original AVDI...
Boss I need your help I have 2007 A38P and I think I have brick my cluster with a china Xtool I messed with the eeprom in cluster adjustment section now i think I lost the eeprom the cluster isn’t turning on I need some advice please …
A38P, which cluster is that? out of which car? and next question is what were you trying to do??
@@timtracy9442 Audi A3 8p 24C32 encrypted dashboard pn:8P0920900R
oh no
@@marc-alexandreauger4730 what year audi A3? they made them for a lot of years and they have NEC and Micronas clusters in them.. a part number is great, if you have a part number interchange book..
sorry, just saw the 2007 A3...... does it have a large plug or a smaller blue plug?
where do you get the power class from ?
When AVDI reads the cluster, it shows you the power class... Or if you don't have a cluster to read from, read ECU with AVDI, it will give you CS, MAC, and PIN, and power class...
@@timtracy9442 hi Tim my ecu keeps searching power class? Any other way to check
@@skhalil9182 what car are you trying this on??
Can this tool do Immo4C?
what is immo 4c?
@@timtracy9442 the version VW started using from about mid 2007. Was slightly different and more secure than Immo4. What was the year of this cluster you did?
Or does it not matter which Immo version, this tool can do all Golf Micronas?
@@seh97 this was out of a 2006 or 2007... and please realize, this video was made many moons ago.. back then we didn't have all the bells and whistles in the software... This was a micronas cluster, and basically we still do them the same.. now I read the data from the cluster and do a snippet (screenshot) then save it and then put the new/used cluster in the car and manually change the immo data.. And if you are wondering why I do it manually, it is because there are fifty million clusters out there that have the same part number, but different internals... VW put out the clusters for bid, lowest bid made a batch, then they bid again... I have read and saved the data and then just wrote that dat to a new/used cluster, and then the cluster is dark.... It is much easier to change the data manually and the reboot the cluster.. it hasn't failed me yet...
@@timtracy9442 Thank you for the detailed reply and great videos. I've found them very helpful!