That was super interesting to see that efficiency difference between the PC and the Mac. I know many don't see any value in efficiency but with energy prices generally only increasing over time, I think they are good to take into account. If you hardly push the systems to their limits then the difference is probably negligible, about 250euro over a 5 year time period. If you push them for half the time that difference jumps up to 550 euro over a 5 year time period. If the energy prices go up, so will the value of that efficiency. I don't remember seeing that comparison anywhere else so it is great to have some numbers to compare things with and make an informed decision.
In high energy cost areas in the continental US, power is ~0.20 per kWh which means each additional watt of continuous load is ~$1.75 per year (including other costs like taxes, distribution, etc). In the winters this lowers heating and in the summers costs additional in A/C. Each HDD in a SAN can cost $20/year. Power efficiency matters a lot, especially in servers where it is unlikely that it is ever fully idle and thus the CPU can never really go to full sleep.
@@henryzhang7873 Totally agree. In Europe the price for electricity is much higher. I calculated that the difference in idle is 0.033kwh, I'm running my computer at least 10h a day, for at least 300 days a year. So 10*0.033*300=99kwh In many countries in Europe you pay 0.5 euro per kWh but more is also possible. So that is 50 euro a year. Over a 5 year period that equals 250 euro. But that is idling. The difference in watts almost quadruples under full load. I use my computer quite heavily but I estimated that mine would be under full load half the time so: 5*0.113*300=169.5kwh so per year that would be 169.5*0.5euro=84.75 If the other 5hrs a day are idling I would add 25 euro a year. So 84.75+25= 109.7/year electricity cost. In 5 years that would be 548.75 euro. If I would keep this Mac as long as my current MacPro (which I never needed to upgrade really) I would have to calculate the savings over 9 years which would be 987.75 euro. That makes it a pretty good deal all together. *energy prices will only continue to go up over the coming years as well
@@pilotboi69 Totally, friends of mine are selfsufficient as they generate power from solar and the river next to their house. They can't run too many appliances at the same time, especially during the winter. Additionally, my office is in an old building and the electrics are pretty bad. If I'm running just a few too many machines the breaker goes. I would never be able to have an intel/nvidia combo in there, it would trip the breaker every single time.
Isn't the big advantage of Mac that you get a tailored OS to the specific hardware? If you were dual booting maybe? The power consumption is compelling for a laptop perhaps? I imagine a comparable PC laptop performance for Linux is still cheaper.
@@steveseeger An OS tailored to the hardware is nice, but tailored to your needs is also important. If at some point in time Linux on M1/M2 is as stable as on any other hardware and supports all the hardware, people who need Linux will use it. People who want to use MacOS (how it is named today?) won't switch to Linux. But people who want to use Linux don't want to change MacOS until it works kind of like Linux. Because of a different use case, they will consider this platform with Linux, not with MacOS. The hardware is good, but I keep my distance from the Apple ecosystem.
The power consumption comparison is interesting because one PC is half the price. If you were to idle the Ryzen pc 24/7 and not even turn on the the Mac Studio, at average KWH cost in the US you’d have to wait 25 years for it to hit the same cost as the Studio.
But the Carbon footprint isn't going to look good. I"m hoping the trend to more efficient power supply and lower idle becomes a popular trend across all computing platforms.
@@barbietripping When the energy costs start to ramp up and countries increase taxes on energy so people use less you will see way more value. Just hope AMD and Intel take notice.
@@barbietripping the price difference if you toss the 6700xt in, which was included in his power draw test, would be a $500 difference in price and would be looking at 12.5 years instead.
@@hmurchison8123 is the carbon footprint on non upgradable hardware that physically cannot be fixed without throwing the the whole board out at an Apple store going to look good?
The M1 machines are impressive, and I've been really happy with my M1 Air (albeit I still have a powerful desktop pc); the graphical power of their chips in particular for video/photo work is remarkable for such low energy chips vs the power hog my desktop RTX card is! Linux could be an interesting experience once the quirks are ironed out. That being said, I am getting pretty fed up with Apple's 'greenwashing' of their products and stupid design quirks though. It's disappointing they claim to be environmentally conscious in their supply chain, and with gestures like using paper packing, then go out of their way to design their machines to be difficult to repair/maintain, and I strongly suspect that 'expandable' storage in the Mac Studio isn't just a standard NVMe/m2 implementation, but linked to a proprietary chip model or standard. It just irritates me because despite all R&D costs they no doubt plough into these, there's still clear decisions made to compromise the product for profitability rather than just make it as good as possible. Sorry for the rant!
@Jake Siener That plug is a standard C5 power cord, that you can buy on amazon for 6$, not proprietary at all. I’m all for bashing apple but don’t make things up.
This is why I vote with my wallet. Never mind that I refuse to pay the apple tax. Apple's "engineering practices" and recent anti-repair efforts are enough to keep me away from any of their products. And no, I am not sold by their recent PR stunt to make people think that they are pro-repair. I cannot fathom how they can claim to be some jesus meets gandhi, leading the way in "green," we love recycling type of company. Just admit that your sole purpose is to obsolete last years product as quickly as possible and sell a new one this year, this is not a secret.
even worse, they market their paper packaging as environmentally friendly while it's 100% made out of new paper, the stuff that is actually still pretty harmful, because it's probably contains a lot of tropical wood because the wood marked is extremely intransparent and even without it still contribute to a lot of environmental damage.
The thing is, in the main, apple machines, whilst they can and do go wrong, in my own personal experience of using them for over thirty six/seven years I can literally count on one hand how many times they’ve needed repairing. I just use my Mac (for work) and keep it for years, then at some point 6 or 8 years down the road I exchange it for a higher spec model. My PC gaming buddies however are always tinkering and upgrading, cards, motherboards, cases etc etc. on balance I am not sure how much greener one is over another. But I’d say at least in my case and the companies I’ve worked with over the years, on balance using the Mac workflow has at least to me seemed a little more friendly environmentally speaking. Though it’s probably pretty close really. As far as repair goes again in general, and again in my own experience which admittedly is not all that expansive, it would seem to me that the average Mac user is really not about repairing, tuning, tweaking and upgrading. Part of the whole fun of PC ownership is tinkering and absolutely my PC buddies know waaaaay more than I do about computers. I know my way around a Mac and it’s systems and I can chuck in some memory (well, when we could do that, I admit that is frustrating that you cannot do that so much with the newer machines so you have to pay Apple prices which are often 4-5x the cost of equivalent third part), though again with the average Apple user you tend to just not over think such things and order from the apple store what you need. I understand that you should really have a choice as an end user and Apple are short sighted in taking that option off the table. I just think that they know their market and are trying to deliver quick, efficient machines that work out the box with little effort. If you are a PC head then you are probably not going to buy into that, and that is absolutely fine. I’ll stick with my Mac just because it’s just a tool to use and I just use it with little fuss, when I turn it off or on standby at the end of a days work, I forget about it. If I want to game I chuck my Xbox on and use that. I do miss the old days of turning up to lan Quake 3 competitions when everyone brought out their beige monster pc rigs and I just ran my original (titanium) MacBook Pro….
The M1 Max is great for editing video on the couch and in bed. The ultra is crazy powerful but I doubt you'll gain more time back over the M1 Max as you can't necessarily edit faster but you'll render faster, and the price savings with the Max I don't think you overspent. My edits take more time than the rendering so not worth the money for me.
So true! I always say the same thing about Office PCs. I used to always recommend a Core i5 over Core i7/i9 for office applications. Paying all that extra cash for anything more did not enable a user to type faster!
Depends on your work situation. I have a large number of files for which editing is minimal, and rendering multiple files simultaneously is a productivity bottleneck.
@@JeffGeerlingWith gas prices like this I guarantee my dad would be making room under the covers for that chonker. At 6.2W that’s a whole 1/2 cent of heat per night!
Put all of your headless servers ( Rpis, clusters, boxes ) in a black cabinet on wheels with a UPS. Call it the COMPUTERINATOR ( flashy scifi lights necesarry )
I've never really have been a big fan of apple mainly for their high price and polices but I've got too admit their editing software and quality in the devices & packaging is outstanding.
The best of the videos: the bloopers. You are a real person. A really SMART person, but still human like the rest of us. Keep up the great content, I drop what I am doing when I see a new video. When can we start buying autographed old gear from you???
Regarding idle power - it's actually not the CPU consuming that power, it's everything else. Mainly the mainboard (chipset, etc), RAM (a couple watts) and HDDs if you have them. The CPU will go waaay down in power consumption when truly idling. Power under load - just imagine if you'd measured against an Intel i9. (If you consider that an whataboutism... fair enough.)
True, when the PC is 'off', the thing is still pulling 1-2W (the Studio shows as 0.0W on the Kill-A-Watt). But the AMD CPUs are also not as good at idle power consumption as the latest Intel chips (especially lower end).
@@JeffGeerling i would say it's the opposite, ryzen 5000 are remarkably effective at low power compared to intel 12th gen - intel chips just scale very well when given enough power to draw
I’m super excited to see Asahi performance. I’ve heard Asahi has been faster for some when it comes to certain tasks (all while rendering everything on the CPU!!), so maybe you could push the kernel compiling even further!
I would love to see some benchmarks on the Linux distro built for M1 silicon. Most of my workflows are built on Linux containers/VMs and seeing how the Apple silicon stacks up to X86 instructions would be very interesting...
@@Gyooopp Hi Andy. Hope I find you well today. I dont really watch TV anymore and pretty well just watch stuff I'm interested in to learn about. Jeff has made a lot of good content for me personally. I figure I'd support his efforts. Jeff has also been going through some tough times with some medical conditions. I see you have your own channel. I wish you success in developing your channel. I'm sure you have probably experienced the hard work that can go into developing a brand☺
Nice! Silent and efficient! I'm certainly curious to see what the m1 mini is like running Linux. I would also have liked to see the Idle and under load number for the Mini using the same load and the same test equipment that you used for the Ryzen and Studio.
The SSD is in one slot (and there seems to be a second slot as well), but it's a proprietary system. The swappable part is just the memory - and that's dongled to the device. If you put it in another Mac Studio, it won't work. (I read that elsewhere, there are videos on RUclips, too.)
If the firmware can be updated the actual SSD memory could be upgraded, most likely (just like on the existing Mac Pro). I'm hopeful Apple will offer upgrades-the decision to keep the memory in an expansion slot required time and money to do... they'd have to be able to change it out somehow.
I'd bet the ports were basically a response to supply chain issues more than Apple wanting to offer upgrades. Socketed ram and SSDs mean you can keep churning out main boards and lower spec versions even if there is another dram shortage. Also if they are planning on keeping this design around for a few years, this allows an easy mid generation refresh to higher ram and SSD capacities without re-tooling.
I feel like the M1 generation of Mac machines would work as amazing servers, they consume very little power, even under load and they have a pretty damn reasonable amount of horsepower compared to Raspberry Pi's and other consumer ARM systems. Only unfortunate thing being that there's very little room for upgrades or expansions.
Indeed, I find it very hard to say it as Apple's walled garden business models really make me want to hate everything they do, but these M1 chips do seem to really hit a great sweet spot of performance and efficiency - far better for a large variety of users that don't really need the super computer number cruncher than the AMD/Intel competition, and for once don't seem quite so stupendously overpriced for the hardware insides capabilities. But really they need to put out a workstation/server version so you can choose to expand the IO/Storage etc to actually have the damn thing meet your needs.
cost is a bummer, i dont think u need much power to host even a small office server, for bigger commercial usage, dedicated modules are certainly better
@@foldionepapyrus3441 And of course I'd love to see proper Linux support if they ever do release a workstation/server M1 Mac. Not sure if they ever would, but a man can certainly dream. :)
@@thesilverydragon It would certainly be basically useless to me without proper Linux support, still not everyone cares or hates the 'Apple experience'....
@@thesilverydragon I would jump on that - only reason I didn't get a mac mini was the lack of linux support. Using a 1000$ gpu less 5600G (those 1.5tb nvme ssds, and 32Gb of fast ram wasn't cheap)
I'd be very interested in a look at Asahi Linux, as long as people watching understand it's not finished and certain things are still actively being worked on -- GPU support is missing, some hardware/peripherals won't work, etc etc! Still, it'd be really neat to see Linux properly coded up for the Apple M1 family of machines!
My videos often involve playing 6 videos on timeline simultaneously (for reference, the video on my homepage) Is M1 Max powerful enough to playback such timelines without frame drops? THANKS in advance
I think you hit the nail on the head. The M1 is amazing hardware wise. As for performance, it's only good for the things that are actually optimized for it. Which is basically creative productivity work. As for everything else, either it won't perform as good, or in worst case, it won't support it at all - like gaming, which is a joke on Mac.
Exactly, good summary. Though the base M1 is great for general (non-gaming or casual gaming only) computing, makes for a great laptop or simple family desktop like the iMac or M1 mini.
the "gaming is a joke on mac" is so overplayed and outdated. nowdays, basically anything will play games. People even got games to run on Chromebooks. Whether its steam streaming, xbox xcloud, nvidia thing, whatever, you can game on pretty much anything now. Not to mention more games have native mac versions than native linux versions, but people wont shut up about that :P
When you said that you wouldn't put it past Apple to weld the thing shut if they could get away with it (I agree), I immediately wondered that if you feel like that about the company (so do I), why give them your money? The best way we can deal with companies is to vote with our wallets.
I hate Apple - I really do, but damn their hardware performs so well in terms of efficiency. There's simply no product in the x86/x64 market, that could deliver such performance AND efficiency. That's why I just might get a M1 Studio or MacBook.
@@davidrgilson and also - all this efficiency, but still creates useless e-waste that could be avoided a lot, and you pay through the roof anyway, which devoids you of any 'savings' you made with efficiency
I'd take an Asus g14 over the M1 Mac my work gave me, but it's a long way in front of the Dell I had previously. Honestly though never going to buy one, purely down to the business practices.
"Selling my Mac Mini" and also "Shopping for a rack that holds both". Hmm, "what the wife was told when buying new stuff" vs "what's really going down".
Problem is the ryzen PC can be upgraded and it will probably outlast the studio. Main complaint about apple products in general is their anti consumer e-waste policies.
upgradable yes ...outliving is debatable. I'm running Monterey on 4 macs bought off of eBay from 2014 and 2015. Macs last a long time while retaining the ability to run the current OS.
@@hmurchison8123 Those Macs just use Intel processors. You could easily run a non-Mac with the same processor. You also have a plethora of OS options as well as desktop environments.
@@hmurchison8123 You comparing the only macbooks that don't die to modern macbooks only show that you literally do not have an idea how horribly unreliable macbooks from 2016 and onward are. Also don't kid yourself, apple dropped newest OS for your 2014 models "because fuck you". You trying to defend apple is pathethic, especially considering the shady shit apple is trying to pull with these studio macs and the studio panels.
@@hmurchison8123 My 2012 macbook pro can not be upgraded to the latest macos, my 2012 windows laptop can be upgraded to windows 11. So no macs do not outlive windows PCs, that is a myth. And this is coming from someone that has a 2020 Macbook Pro, it will last a while but not as long as a windows PC since Apple treats it like smartphone updates.
Software wise Microsoft supports their hardware longer than Apple. Hardware wise, intel Macs and PC are basically have similar internals. Apple's new hardware is still unproven since the M1 is just first gen. Theoretically, if the SSD of m1 hardware can somehow be replaced, it should last a very long time because it runs much cooler than Intel chips. I had a few Windows gaming laptops and one desktop die on me because of heat.
If only apple was not apple, and would allow other ARM users access to the M1 Ultra technology, like say the Raspberry Pi foundation? A Pi 5 with an Ultra SoC? You know it makes sense!
Although I don't expect miracles from Asahi at this point .. I'd really like to see how it runs on M1 Mini.. If AMD doesn't get their shit together I'll be running Linux on M1 machines at some point..
There is something I really like about this guy's videos, but can't really put a pin on it. Sorry, Jeff. I usually try to give useable feedback on YT, but don't have much to offer here.
I'm really glad someone is leading the charge on ARM based computing. It makes so much more sense going forward, but there's a lot of legacy code that can be painful to implement across architectures. It'll be a long time before I trade my gaming X86_64 based gaming PC for an ARM system, but I could be convinced to invest in an ARM laptop for a portable workstation.
What a beast of a computer! I'd love to see some Asahi Linux in action, I heard about it shortly after Marcan had a hand in stuffing Linux on the Nintendo Switch which I use a lot, and been following the project for a long time now. I've never even used a Mac, well, besides a bit of clicking around on a public Mac at a cafe. And scratching my head over the mouse. But anyways, yeah, Asahi. Sounds awesome, you have my thumbs up.
Great vid! Completely on the fence on getting one of these and you have pushed me closer to the edge of picking one up! Ahaha I would love to see an install of Asahi Linux when you have a chance too
You know something, I watched dozens of Mac m1 pro, max and ultra reviews. But you are the one who got me interested while I'm watching, because you are talking about using the machine not like wow I'm having this machine see my benchmarks
Great video, thank you for the information presented in a fun way. Wonder if you can help me make a decision. I am a full-time audio/video producer and currently use an iMac Pro (3 years old). I am upgrading my studio and I am having trouble deciding whether to pull the trigger on the new Mac Studio with the M1 Ma. I have an i7, 64 gigs of ram, and a 1 TB of storage in my Pro. Do you think I would get considerably better performance with the M1 max version than what I currently have. I use Premiere Pro as my primary video software and Ableton Live and Audition for Audio Production. Or…the big question…should I look for a PC like the HP Z series? Thoughts?
Asahi Linux on the Mac Studio really seems interesting. It's not officially supported by the Asahi Linux installer but it's worth a shot and tinkering around. Maybe you can also contribute to Asahi.
Ooo yes test out the M1 Linux distro!! I was thinking “man that low power draw and high core count would make for a great virtualization machine” Would love to see if you can do VMs or containers with Asahi. Bonus points if you could do GPU pass through or somehow do hw accelerated H.264 encoding (ie, plex)
So far GPU on Asahi isn't supported, probably will take a bit more time to reverse-engineer. But even without it, the rest of the hardware could be compelling for certain Linux use cases.
I am actually surprized at the performance smilarities between the 5600X and the M1 Max, i was expecting it to be more like a 5900X I cant wait to see the efficiency PCs will be able to bring us when they get on the same node that Apple is currently using. The "65w" versions of the X processors arent all that much slower than the "100w" X processors, but they do use less power for similar performance. The 50% performance per watt increase from going to TSMC 7nm to TSMC 5nm would be interesting, and hey, we'll finally be able to compare ARM and X86/AMD64 Apples to Apples(pun intended). I was actually pretty dissapointed with my personal M1 Mac Mini when compared to my work's Lenovo L15 with 4750u. Well, at least when i put it to work at the main use case i bought it for(transcoding MPEG2 videos to H265 using the CPU only(GPU transcodes make the files larger, or lower quality, or both). In the tests i measured both machines from the wall, transcoding the same episode of my mom's favorite show(days of our lives) They were both about the same performance, with the Lenovo taking 1 hour 4 minutes, and the Mac Mini taking 1 hour 9 minutes, which i've seem more variation run to run on the same machine, so they're identical in my book. What dissapointed me was the power numbers. Now, remember, the Apple M1 is using a highly efficient design with all the parts really close together to reduce the energy neede to move data around. The architecture is supposedly more efficient than X86. and its on a "50% more efficient" node. AND it was just a desktop, there was no screen or keyboard and trackpad to power, even the fans were barely audible because the cooling solution can easily handle 45w, compared to the laptop that sounded like a jet engine. Despite all the advantrages, the freaking laptop was more efficient. I couldnt believe it so i re-ran the tests again the next day after asking to take the laptop home(instead of just one test over my lunch) But no, the same power meter measuring both devices showed that the Mac Mini on average used ~33Wh from the wall for each transcode, while the laptop only used ~28Wh. I need to try it again soon, maybe with TDARR to get a larger automated sample size. And before you ask, yes, this was after FFMPEG and Handbrake released M1 native versions. What i've found is that my 3950x is best for transcoding, because i can clock it to 2.8Ghz while i'm not using it, and with 3 transcodes running at the same time, the whole system uses only about 70w more than idle, but is equivelant to about 5-6x faster than the Mac Mini (where 5 Mac Minis would use almost double the power)
I WILL be watching for the Asahi linux review VERY, VERY, VERY closely, as I do not like OSX, but I do want to use their hardware, the ARM architecture VERY much interests me for this.
Would be really nice to see Linux running on the Mac, but I really wanna see little pi boi finally using some GPU so I can finally use my 3090ti with my pi (jk, I don’t have a 3090ti, scalpers bought it all :,) )
Why did you pay for the built in 4TB when you have (I think) 2 different NAS's in your rack?? I realize that SSDs are faster but it's a huge price premium. I am considering a base studio/1TB model and just putting a local thunderbolt or USB-C drive for my local video editing.
I've decided over the years that editing everything on one local volume is worth the one-time price Apple charges. I have everything local backed up to a NAS over a 2.5G network. Someday if I can upgrade everything to 10G, and I can get a NAS that can transfer at 500 MB/sec all day (the current NASes I'm using don't have the horsepower), I could edit over the network more easily. As it is, running local is just easier. I could do an external Thunderbolt volume, but those are similarly expensive, and would add more equipment in my rack.
@@JeffGeerling I've looked at the OWC ministack, as it has the same footprint. Wondering if more such devices will be marketed now that Apple has released the Studio
@@JeffGeerling An NVMe stick and USB adapter are relatively cheap and could be taped onto the top of the computer. I don't know what the practical performance difference would be but I can't imagine it would be too significant for video editing. If you keep all your video files on the external drive it's still all on one local volume.
RAM is the biggest one for me. Developing and working with Kubernetes takes up so many more resources than working with a single container. I know there are plenty of options when it comes to mocking services but sometimes you really need the real thing, especially when working with a real world application. I am very tempted by the 64GB upgrade in one of these Mac Studio though.
I'd be interested in your old M1 Mac Mini once you decide to sell it. The new ones are pretty reasonably priced anyway, so a well-cared for used model might be a good deal... (it'd replace my Core i3 based Intel Mini from a few years ago)
for years intel had no competition. it did get away with just marginal upgrades and yet made huge profits. i am not into apple ecosystem but i love how apple is setting bar for perf/watt.
In Australia where our electricity is absurdly expensive, power efficiency still doesn't mean a lot. While the Mac Studio is amazing, it still costs $3100 AUD. For that price I could buy a 5800X+3080 system, which wouldn't be as limited in regards to OS and gaming. I just can't justify buying e-waste that can't be upgraded or fixed myself, since the nearest Apple store is literally hundreds of kilometers away.
pretty amazing considering this is their first series of chips. Intel and AMD have been at it for decades. I hear they are working on the M2 and fusing 4 chips together.
I can see the Mac Studio being a real dust trap, especially where I live. To access the fans for cleaning, you pretty much have to completely disassemble the unit, which is not for the faint of heart. Other than that, it appears to be a well designed and thought out unit.
That soft power cord was pioneered way back in the NeXT days. All the NeXT machines had soft power cords too. So did the original Blue and White G3 from 25 years ago.
The Blue & White (Yosemite) had a translucent power cord that would end up getting a little 'sticky' feeling after 5-10 years of use. It was a bit different and didn't have a fabric wrapping around it like this Studio cord has. Still, I loved that model G3 since it was the first computer I ever bought brand new. I remember unboxing it and marveling at how easy it was to pop down the side panel.
I'd be very interested in both Asahi and the Pi GPU project, so whatever comes out first I'll be happy with it 😀
Asahi is out
same! you can't go wrong with any of those
That was super interesting to see that efficiency difference between the PC and the Mac. I know many don't see any value in efficiency but with energy prices generally only increasing over time, I think they are good to take into account. If you hardly push the systems to their limits then the difference is probably negligible, about 250euro over a 5 year time period. If you push them for half the time that difference jumps up to 550 euro over a 5 year time period. If the energy prices go up, so will the value of that efficiency. I don't remember seeing that comparison anywhere else so it is great to have some numbers to compare things with and make an informed decision.
the low power consumption is also very good for off grid solar/battery usage (van/bus life etc)
In high energy cost areas in the continental US, power is ~0.20 per kWh which means each additional watt of continuous load is ~$1.75 per year (including other costs like taxes, distribution, etc). In the winters this lowers heating and in the summers costs additional in A/C. Each HDD in a SAN can cost $20/year. Power efficiency matters a lot, especially in servers where it is unlikely that it is ever fully idle and thus the CPU can never really go to full sleep.
@@henryzhang7873 Totally agree. In Europe the price for electricity is much higher.
I calculated that the difference in idle is 0.033kwh, I'm running my computer at least 10h a day, for at least 300 days a year. So 10*0.033*300=99kwh In many countries in Europe you pay 0.5 euro per kWh but more is also possible. So that is 50 euro a year. Over a 5 year period that equals 250 euro. But that is idling. The difference in watts almost quadruples under full load. I use my computer quite heavily but I estimated that mine would be under full load half the time so:
5*0.113*300=169.5kwh so per year that would be 169.5*0.5euro=84.75
If the other 5hrs a day are idling I would add 25 euro a year. So 84.75+25= 109.7/year electricity cost.
In 5 years that would be 548.75 euro. If I would keep this Mac as long as my current MacPro (which I never needed to upgrade really) I would have to calculate the savings over 9 years which would be 987.75 euro. That makes it a pretty good deal all together.
*energy prices will only continue to go up over the coming years as well
@@pilotboi69 Totally, friends of mine are selfsufficient as they generate power from solar and the river next to their house. They can't run too many appliances at the same time, especially during the winter.
Additionally, my office is in an old building and the electrics are pretty bad. If I'm running just a few too many machines the breaker goes. I would never be able to have an intel/nvidia combo in there, it would trip the breaker every single time.
@@henryzhang7873 I think for servers the apple silicon would be perfect. No heat, great performance, and a lower electric bill
I would absolutely love to see Linux on the M1, both in terms of performance and compatibility
It's called Asahi, in alpha testing now
Oh yeah.... linux on m1
Would be interesting for apples to apples comparison in performance to his PC with both running Linux.
Isn't the big advantage of Mac that you get a tailored OS to the specific hardware? If you were dual booting maybe? The power consumption is compelling for a laptop perhaps? I imagine a comparable PC laptop performance for Linux is still cheaper.
@@steveseeger An OS tailored to the hardware is nice, but tailored to your needs is also important. If at some point in time Linux on M1/M2 is as stable as on any other hardware and supports all the hardware, people who need Linux will use it. People who want to use MacOS (how it is named today?) won't switch to Linux. But people who want to use Linux don't want to change MacOS until it works kind of like Linux. Because of a different use case, they will consider this platform with Linux, not with MacOS. The hardware is good, but I keep my distance from the Apple ecosystem.
The power consumption comparison is interesting because one PC is half the price. If you were to idle the Ryzen pc 24/7 and not even turn on the the Mac Studio, at average KWH cost in the US you’d have to wait 25 years for it to hit the same cost as the Studio.
That was without the graphics card though. Considering the m1 gpu value built in, i think the studio has the upper hand
But the Carbon footprint isn't going to look good. I"m hoping the trend to more efficient power supply and lower idle becomes a popular trend across all computing platforms.
@@barbietripping When the energy costs start to ramp up and countries increase taxes on energy so people use less you will see way more value. Just hope AMD and Intel take notice.
@@barbietripping the price difference if you toss the 6700xt in, which was included in his power draw test, would be a $500 difference in price and would be looking at 12.5 years instead.
@@hmurchison8123 is the carbon footprint on non upgradable hardware that physically cannot be fixed without throwing the the whole board out at an Apple store going to look good?
The M1 machines are impressive, and I've been really happy with my M1 Air (albeit I still have a powerful desktop pc); the graphical power of their chips in particular for video/photo work is remarkable for such low energy chips vs the power hog my desktop RTX card is! Linux could be an interesting experience once the quirks are ironed out.
That being said, I am getting pretty fed up with Apple's 'greenwashing' of their products and stupid design quirks though. It's disappointing they claim to be environmentally conscious in their supply chain, and with gestures like using paper packing, then go out of their way to design their machines to be difficult to repair/maintain, and I strongly suspect that 'expandable' storage in the Mac Studio isn't just a standard NVMe/m2 implementation, but linked to a proprietary chip model or standard. It just irritates me because despite all R&D costs they no doubt plough into these, there's still clear decisions made to compromise the product for profitability rather than just make it as good as possible. Sorry for the rant!
@Jake Siener That plug is a standard C5 power cord, that you can buy on amazon for 6$, not proprietary at all. I’m all for bashing apple but don’t make things up.
This is why I vote with my wallet. Never mind that I refuse to pay the apple tax. Apple's "engineering practices" and recent anti-repair efforts are enough to keep me away from any of their products. And no, I am not sold by their recent PR stunt to make people think that they are pro-repair. I cannot fathom how they can claim to be some jesus meets gandhi, leading the way in "green," we love recycling type of company. Just admit that your sole purpose is to obsolete last years product as quickly as possible and sell a new one this year, this is not a secret.
The SSD if I remember correctly is actually just the NAND-Chip and the actuall controller is integrated into the M1 SoC
even worse, they market their paper packaging as environmentally friendly while it's 100% made out of new paper, the stuff that is actually still pretty harmful, because it's probably contains a lot of tropical wood because the wood marked is extremely intransparent and even without it still contribute to a lot of environmental damage.
The thing is, in the main, apple machines, whilst they can and do go wrong, in my own personal experience of using them for over thirty six/seven years I can literally count on one hand how many times they’ve needed repairing. I just use my Mac (for work) and keep it for years, then at some point 6 or 8 years down the road I exchange it for a higher spec model. My PC gaming buddies however are always tinkering and upgrading, cards, motherboards, cases etc etc. on balance I am not sure how much greener one is over another. But I’d say at least in my case and the companies I’ve worked with over the years, on balance using the Mac workflow has at least to me seemed a little more friendly environmentally speaking. Though it’s probably pretty close really.
As far as repair goes again in general, and again in my own experience which admittedly is not all that expansive, it would seem to me that the average Mac user is really not about repairing, tuning, tweaking and upgrading. Part of the whole fun of PC ownership is tinkering and absolutely my PC buddies know waaaaay more than I do about computers. I know my way around a Mac and it’s systems and I can chuck in some memory (well, when we could do that, I admit that is frustrating that you cannot do that so much with the newer machines so you have to pay Apple prices which are often 4-5x the cost of equivalent third part), though again with the average Apple user you tend to just not over think such things and order from the apple store what you need.
I understand that you should really have a choice as an end user and Apple are short sighted in taking that option off the table. I just think that they know their market and are trying to deliver quick, efficient machines that work out the box with little effort. If you are a PC head then you are probably not going to buy into that, and that is absolutely fine.
I’ll stick with my Mac just because it’s just a tool to use and I just use it with little fuss, when I turn it off or on standby at the end of a days work, I forget about it. If I want to game I chuck my Xbox on and use that.
I do miss the old days of turning up to lan Quake 3 competitions when everyone brought out their beige monster pc rigs and I just ran my original (titanium) MacBook Pro….
My vote to see Asahi running in the Studio ASAP :)
The alpha build of Asahi isn't supported on the studio
@@jbritain ahhh, true! I forgot…
I love how the SD card reader is an exciting point. And of course, the price is "a bit" more down to earth :)
Apple's found a way to make people excited about old keyboard design and ancient IO ports :D
Thank you for the Watt test! you are the first one that I've seen test it on this machine, and I'm amazed at how low it is.
The M1 Max is great for editing video on the couch and in bed. The ultra is crazy powerful but I doubt you'll gain more time back over the M1 Max as you can't necessarily edit faster but you'll render faster, and the price savings with the Max I don't think you overspent. My edits take more time than the rendering so not worth the money for me.
Well I don't know if I'll be taking the Mac Studio to bed with me...
So true! I always say the same thing about Office PCs. I used to always recommend a Core i5 over Core i7/i9 for office applications. Paying all that extra cash for anything more did not enable a user to type faster!
Depends on your work situation. I have a large number of files for which editing is minimal, and rendering multiple files simultaneously is a productivity bottleneck.
@@JeffGeerling I guess you liked the more kinky one better! :D
@@JeffGeerlingWith gas prices like this I guarantee my dad would be making room under the covers for that chonker. At 6.2W that’s a whole 1/2 cent of heat per night!
Put all of your headless servers ( Rpis, clusters, boxes ) in a black cabinet on wheels with a UPS. Call it the COMPUTERINATOR ( flashy scifi lights necesarry )
You subscribe to 45Drives' naming conventions, I see :D
Nice graphs, Jeff. Glad you picked one of these up. Always interested in your takes and commentary on these things.
I've never really have been a big fan of apple mainly for their high price and polices but I've got too admit their editing software and quality in the devices & packaging is outstanding.
The best of the videos: the bloopers. You are a real person. A really SMART person, but still human like the rest of us. Keep up the great content, I drop what I am doing when I see a new video. When can we start buying autographed old gear from you???
Now we expect 6x the videos per week
Haha, that's just not possible!
Regarding idle power - it's actually not the CPU consuming that power, it's everything else.
Mainly the mainboard (chipset, etc), RAM (a couple watts) and HDDs if you have them. The CPU will go waaay down in power consumption when truly idling.
Power under load - just imagine if you'd measured against an Intel i9. (If you consider that an whataboutism... fair enough.)
True, when the PC is 'off', the thing is still pulling 1-2W (the Studio shows as 0.0W on the Kill-A-Watt). But the AMD CPUs are also not as good at idle power consumption as the latest Intel chips (especially lower end).
@@JeffGeerling i would say it's the opposite, ryzen 5000 are remarkably effective at low power compared to intel 12th gen - intel chips just scale very well when given enough power to draw
@@aravindpallippara1577 But the question was whether AMD or Intel chips pull more power at idle. Not how well they deal with a given power budget.
I'm glad to see the power cable is removable!
I’m super excited to see Asahi performance. I’ve heard Asahi has been faster for some when it comes to certain tasks (all while rendering everything on the CPU!!), so maybe you could push the kernel compiling even further!
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Jeff always has the coolest toys.
And the kinkiest power cables.
6:27 we want all the videos, Jeff. All of them! 😂
I would love to see some benchmarks on the Linux distro built for M1 silicon. Most of my workflows are built on Linux containers/VMs and seeing how the Apple silicon stacks up to X86 instructions would be very interesting...
Hugo runs twice as fast on Asahi Linux vs MacOS, google it, reddit thread.
Thank you Jeff for all the amazing content!
How can you just waste 50$
@@Gyooopp Hi Andy. Hope I find you well today. I dont really watch TV anymore and pretty well just watch stuff I'm interested in to learn about. Jeff has made a lot of good content for me personally. I figure I'd support his efforts. Jeff has also been going through some tough times with some medical conditions. I see you have your own channel. I wish you success in developing your channel. I'm sure you have probably experienced the hard work that can go into developing a brand☺
@@robcover3139 but the money should go to broke like me, i should also get chance and if one day i become rich I'll help other too
Can't wait to see the pi running a GPU! I've been looking forward to playing Minecraft Pi Edition at 60 fps 😎
I am really excited for the new pi gpu video.... as a matter of fact, that video series is why i found you channel.
Nice! Silent and efficient! I'm certainly curious to see what the m1 mini is like running Linux. I would also have liked to see the Idle and under load number for the Mini using the same load and the same test equipment that you used for the Ryzen and Studio.
YES! Same here I wanted to see the power consumption figures for the mini too. The mini was looking quite nice and I bet its still fast at compiling.
I really want to see that Asahi video
The SSD is in one slot (and there seems to be a second slot as well), but it's a proprietary system. The swappable part is just the memory - and that's dongled to the device. If you put it in another Mac Studio, it won't work.
(I read that elsewhere, there are videos on RUclips, too.)
If the firmware can be updated the actual SSD memory could be upgraded, most likely (just like on the existing Mac Pro). I'm hopeful Apple will offer upgrades-the decision to keep the memory in an expansion slot required time and money to do... they'd have to be able to change it out somehow.
I'd bet the ports were basically a response to supply chain issues more than Apple wanting to offer upgrades. Socketed ram and SSDs mean you can keep churning out main boards and lower spec versions even if there is another dram shortage. Also if they are planning on keeping this design around for a few years, this allows an easy mid generation refresh to higher ram and SSD capacities without re-tooling.
I feel like the M1 generation of Mac machines would work as amazing servers, they consume very little power, even under load and they have a pretty damn reasonable amount of horsepower compared to Raspberry Pi's and other consumer ARM systems. Only unfortunate thing being that there's very little room for upgrades or expansions.
Indeed, I find it very hard to say it as Apple's walled garden business models really make me want to hate everything they do, but these M1 chips do seem to really hit a great sweet spot of performance and efficiency - far better for a large variety of users that don't really need the super computer number cruncher than the AMD/Intel competition, and for once don't seem quite so stupendously overpriced for the hardware insides capabilities. But really they need to put out a workstation/server version so you can choose to expand the IO/Storage etc to actually have the damn thing meet your needs.
cost is a bummer, i dont think u need much power to host even a small office server, for bigger commercial usage, dedicated modules are certainly better
@@foldionepapyrus3441 And of course I'd love to see proper Linux support if they ever do release a workstation/server M1 Mac. Not sure if they ever would, but a man can certainly dream. :)
@@thesilverydragon It would certainly be basically useless to me without proper Linux support, still not everyone cares or hates the 'Apple experience'....
@@thesilverydragon I would jump on that - only reason I didn't get a mac mini was the lack of linux support.
Using a 1000$ gpu less 5600G (those 1.5tb nvme ssds, and 32Gb of fast ram wasn't cheap)
Asahi goes brrr!
I'm definitely interested in both - the Linux on MY and Pi GPU. Totally looking forward to your videos.
what do you run on them? Logic Pro?
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I'd be very interested in a look at Asahi Linux, as long as people watching understand it's not finished and certain things are still actively being worked on -- GPU support is missing, some hardware/peripherals won't work, etc etc! Still, it'd be really neat to see Linux properly coded up for the Apple M1 family of machines!
I'd be very interested in Asahi
My videos often involve playing 6 videos on timeline simultaneously (for reference, the video on my homepage) Is M1 Max powerful enough to playback such timelines without frame drops? THANKS in advance
I think you hit the nail on the head. The M1 is amazing hardware wise. As for performance, it's only good for the things that are actually optimized for it. Which is basically creative productivity work. As for everything else, either it won't perform as good, or in worst case, it won't support it at all - like gaming, which is a joke on Mac.
Exactly, good summary.
Though the base M1 is great for general (non-gaming or casual gaming only) computing, makes for a great laptop or simple family desktop like the iMac or M1 mini.
the "gaming is a joke on mac" is so overplayed and outdated. nowdays, basically anything will play games. People even got games to run on Chromebooks. Whether its steam streaming, xbox xcloud, nvidia thing, whatever, you can game on pretty much anything now. Not to mention more games have native mac versions than native linux versions, but people wont shut up about that :P
That's what I noticed which I am fine cuz I only bought it to edit videos and produce music
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Another Thing that the Apple Machine is great at is planned obsolescence... Yeah it's nice and performs great but that stuff is a No-Go for me.
You got my vote for Asahi Linux!
When you said that you wouldn't put it past Apple to weld the thing shut if they could get away with it (I agree), I immediately wondered that if you feel like that about the company (so do I), why give them your money? The best way we can deal with companies is to vote with our wallets.
I hate Apple - I really do, but damn their hardware performs so well in terms of efficiency. There's simply no product in the x86/x64 market, that could deliver such performance AND efficiency.
That's why I just might get a M1 Studio or MacBook.
@@igordasunddas3377 Fair enough, kind of sounds like marrying a horrible person just because you're sexually attracted to them. No thanks.
@@davidrgilson and also - all this efficiency, but still creates useless e-waste that could be avoided a lot, and you pay through the roof anyway, which devoids you of any 'savings' you made with efficiency
@@lolish1234 the efficiency is the one thing that made me look twice, being completely honest
I'd take an Asus g14 over the M1 Mac my work gave me, but it's a long way in front of the Dell I had previously.
Honestly though never going to buy one, purely down to the business practices.
Another great video Jeff. Looking forward to the Asahi Linux on Apple silicon video!
The review I was looking for
Great video Jeff! So excited to see all the stuff you do with the Rack-Studio
Lets go with the asahi first excited to see how that works
"Selling my Mac Mini" and also "Shopping for a rack that holds both". Hmm, "what the wife was told when buying new stuff" vs "what's really going down".
Asahi on m1 is my preference. Raspberry pi with graphics card is interesting but nothing i would likely need.
Problem is the ryzen PC can be upgraded and it will probably outlast the studio. Main complaint about apple products in general is their anti consumer e-waste policies.
upgradable yes ...outliving is debatable. I'm running Monterey on 4 macs bought off of eBay from 2014 and 2015. Macs last a long time while retaining the ability to run the current OS.
@@hmurchison8123 Those Macs just use Intel processors. You could easily run a non-Mac with the same processor. You also have a plethora of OS options as well as desktop environments.
@@hmurchison8123 You comparing the only macbooks that don't die to modern macbooks only show that you literally do not have an idea how horribly unreliable macbooks from 2016 and onward are.
Also don't kid yourself, apple dropped newest OS for your 2014 models "because fuck you".
You trying to defend apple is pathethic, especially considering the shady shit apple is trying to pull with these studio macs and the studio panels.
@@hmurchison8123 My 2012 macbook pro can not be upgraded to the latest macos, my 2012 windows laptop can be upgraded to windows 11. So no macs do not outlive windows PCs, that is a myth. And this is coming from someone that has a 2020 Macbook Pro, it will last a while but not as long as a windows PC since Apple treats it like smartphone updates.
Software wise Microsoft supports their hardware longer than Apple.
Hardware wise, intel Macs and PC are basically have similar internals.
Apple's new hardware is still unproven since the M1 is just first gen. Theoretically, if the SSD of m1 hardware can somehow be replaced, it should last a very long time because it runs much cooler than Intel chips. I had a few Windows gaming laptops and one desktop die on me because of heat.
If only apple was not apple, and would allow other ARM users access to the M1 Ultra technology, like say the Raspberry Pi foundation? A Pi 5 with an Ultra SoC? You know it makes sense!
No. The pi was designed to be cheap, the R&D for M1 is the opposite
Although I don't expect miracles from Asahi at this point .. I'd really like to see how it runs on M1 Mini.. If AMD doesn't get their shit together I'll be running Linux on M1 machines at some point..
AMD had their Seattle ARM chip but totally dropped the ball on it 😂😟 was excited for it too.
I've read that Apple uses rubber rather than plastic for its cables. It's more expensive, but it prevents most kinks from forming.
Asahi all the way!!! GPU on the Pi is old news 😉
+1 vote Asahi test on M1 mini
There is something I really like about this guy's videos, but can't really put a pin on it.
Sorry, Jeff. I usually try to give useable feedback on YT, but don't have much to offer here.
Great job Jeff.
I'm really glad someone is leading the charge on ARM based computing. It makes so much more sense going forward, but there's a lot of legacy code that can be painful to implement across architectures. It'll be a long time before I trade my gaming X86_64 based gaming PC for an ARM system, but I could be convinced to invest in an ARM laptop for a portable workstation.
Please cover Asahi Linux next! A smooth Linux experience would make these models way more attractive to many Linux users. Thanks.
What a beast of a computer!
I'd love to see some Asahi Linux in action, I heard about it shortly after Marcan had a hand in stuffing Linux on the Nintendo Switch which I use a lot, and been following the project for a long time now. I've never even used a Mac, well, besides a bit of clicking around on a public Mac at a cafe. And scratching my head over the mouse. But anyways, yeah, Asahi. Sounds awesome, you have my thumbs up.
Asahi project would be cool
Great vid! Completely on the fence on getting one of these and you have pushed me closer to the edge of picking one up! Ahaha I would love to see an install of Asahi Linux when you have a chance too
Asahi plz!
You know something, I watched dozens of Mac m1 pro, max and ultra reviews. But you are the one who got me interested while I'm watching, because you are talking about using the machine not like wow I'm having this machine see my benchmarks
Do both. Can't wait.
Wow! I also moved from a M1 Mini to the Studio Max. The difference is amazing.
M1 linux video very exited to see that
Great video, thank you for the information presented in a fun way. Wonder if you can help me make a decision. I am a full-time audio/video producer and currently use an iMac Pro (3 years old). I am upgrading my studio and I am having trouble deciding whether to pull the trigger on the new Mac Studio with the M1 Ma. I have an i7, 64 gigs of ram, and a 1 TB of storage in my Pro. Do you think I would get considerably better performance with the M1 max version than what I currently have. I use Premiere Pro as my primary video software and Ableton Live and Audition for Audio Production. Or…the big question…should I look for a PC like the HP Z series? Thoughts?
Definitely please do the Asahi Linux test. AND HAVE SOME ASAHI WHILE DOING IT! It’s the best beer!
Can these Macs be a good choice for power-efficient but powerful virtualization servers?
Asahi Linux on the Mac Studio really seems interesting. It's not officially supported by the Asahi Linux installer but it's worth a shot and tinkering around. Maybe you can also contribute to Asahi.
I'm slightly more interested in Asahi than the Pi GPU
Keep in mind that "Asahi Linux" still in alpha stage, and there is no GPU acceleration support yet.
Yep! It'll be fun to see what is and isn't possible.
Asahi first man
From what ive read, compiling linux on Asahi should be 2x faster than on MacOs.
Please test Asahi Linux first! Can't wait for that video 🥳
Love it! Keep it up! You deserve this success 👍👍
Let’s not forget the difference in form factor between those machines. It’s insane how much power the Studio has for its size and power usage
Ooo yes test out the M1 Linux distro!!
I was thinking “man that low power draw and high core count would make for a great virtualization machine”
Would love to see if you can do VMs or containers with Asahi.
Bonus points if you could do GPU pass through or somehow do hw accelerated H.264 encoding (ie, plex)
So far GPU on Asahi isn't supported, probably will take a bit more time to reverse-engineer. But even without it, the rest of the hardware could be compelling for certain Linux use cases.
Please do your compiler benchmark on Asahi linux *immediately*. It may beat the PC.
I am actually surprized at the performance smilarities between the 5600X and the M1 Max, i was expecting it to be more like a 5900X
I cant wait to see the efficiency PCs will be able to bring us when they get on the same node that Apple is currently using. The "65w" versions of the X processors arent all that much slower than the "100w" X processors, but they do use less power for similar performance. The 50% performance per watt increase from going to TSMC 7nm to TSMC 5nm would be interesting, and hey, we'll finally be able to compare ARM and X86/AMD64 Apples to Apples(pun intended).
I was actually pretty dissapointed with my personal M1 Mac Mini when compared to my work's Lenovo L15 with 4750u. Well, at least when i put it to work at the main use case i bought it for(transcoding MPEG2 videos to H265 using the CPU only(GPU transcodes make the files larger, or lower quality, or both). In the tests i measured both machines from the wall, transcoding the same episode of my mom's favorite show(days of our lives) They were both about the same performance, with the Lenovo taking 1 hour 4 minutes, and the Mac Mini taking 1 hour 9 minutes, which i've seem more variation run to run on the same machine, so they're identical in my book.
What dissapointed me was the power numbers. Now, remember, the Apple M1 is using a highly efficient design with all the parts really close together to reduce the energy neede to move data around. The architecture is supposedly more efficient than X86. and its on a "50% more efficient" node. AND it was just a desktop, there was no screen or keyboard and trackpad to power, even the fans were barely audible because the cooling solution can easily handle 45w, compared to the laptop that sounded like a jet engine.
Despite all the advantrages, the freaking laptop was more efficient. I couldnt believe it so i re-ran the tests again the next day after asking to take the laptop home(instead of just one test over my lunch) But no, the same power meter measuring both devices showed that the Mac Mini on average used ~33Wh from the wall for each transcode, while the laptop only used ~28Wh.
I need to try it again soon, maybe with TDARR to get a larger automated sample size. And before you ask, yes, this was after FFMPEG and Handbrake released M1 native versions.
What i've found is that my 3950x is best for transcoding, because i can clock it to 2.8Ghz while i'm not using it, and with 3 transcodes running at the same time, the whole system uses only about 70w more than idle, but is equivelant to about 5-6x faster than the Mac Mini (where 5 Mac Minis would use almost double the power)
Wow, impressive numbers
Great video as always 👍😀
Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us 👍😀
GREAT VID BRO!
Anyone installing Linux on Mac is a certified madman.
Good video 👍Jeff
Do this ASAHI thing - I would watch that for sure.
Can't wait to hear more about Pi GPUs next!
Interesting Video, I would like to see the M1 Linux test first. Is dual boot also an option?
Yes, you can boot multiple Linux OSes (and still macOS) using Asahi's UEFI bootloader setup.
@@JeffGeerling Nice, that means I can give the M1 mac(book) a try.
I WILL be watching for the Asahi linux review VERY, VERY, VERY closely, as I do not like OSX, but I do want to use their hardware, the ARM architecture VERY much interests me for this.
Would be really nice to see Linux running on the Mac, but I really wanna see little pi boi finally using some GPU so I can finally use my 3090ti with my pi (jk, I don’t have a 3090ti, scalpers bought it all :,) )
Haha, I barely got to touch a 1080 (non-Ti) for a short time last year. No way you can go grab a 3090!
Great! The bloopers are at the front!
Just a great video.
Why did you pay for the built in 4TB when you have (I think) 2 different NAS's in your rack?? I realize that SSDs are faster but it's a huge price premium. I am considering a base studio/1TB model and just putting a local thunderbolt or USB-C drive for my local video editing.
I've decided over the years that editing everything on one local volume is worth the one-time price Apple charges.
I have everything local backed up to a NAS over a 2.5G network. Someday if I can upgrade everything to 10G, and I can get a NAS that can transfer at 500 MB/sec all day (the current NASes I'm using don't have the horsepower), I could edit over the network more easily.
As it is, running local is just easier. I could do an external Thunderbolt volume, but those are similarly expensive, and would add more equipment in my rack.
@@JeffGeerling I've looked at the OWC ministack, as it has the same footprint. Wondering if more such devices will be marketed now that Apple has released the Studio
@@JeffGeerling An NVMe stick and USB adapter are relatively cheap and could be taped onto the top of the computer. I don't know what the practical performance difference would be but I can't imagine it would be too significant for video editing. If you keep all your video files on the external drive it's still all on one local volume.
Hey Jeff, would love to see what you can do with that Mac Linux project!
I’m glad the power cable doesn’t have weird smell and powdery texture
RAM is the biggest one for me. Developing and working with Kubernetes takes up so many more resources than working with a single container. I know there are plenty of options when it comes to mocking services but sometimes you really need the real thing, especially when working with a real world application. I am very tempted by the 64GB upgrade in one of these Mac Studio though.
You missed the good old days of hour+ long compiles on 486 chips. :)
Heh, the Pi 4 takes about 1 hour to compile Linux!
ASAHI FTW!!!! Please test LXC and KVM on top of Asahi. Pimox anyone?
And maybe some foreign architecture emulation if possible.
Huh, the power cable is removable! That's craaaazy!
I'd be interested in your old M1 Mac Mini once you decide to sell it. The new ones are pretty reasonably priced anyway, so a well-cared for used model might be a good deal... (it'd replace my Core i3 based Intel Mini from a few years ago)
Of course Asahi Linux 🤩 great video as always btw.
for years intel had no competition. it did get away with just marginal upgrades and yet made huge profits. i am not into apple ecosystem but i love how apple is setting bar for perf/watt.
Great video ! I would definitely like to watch both the videos on Linux Asahi and the AMD GPU on a Pi. Keep up the good work 🙂!
Thanks for sharing
In Australia where our electricity is absurdly expensive, power efficiency still doesn't mean a lot. While the Mac Studio is amazing, it still costs $3100 AUD. For that price I could buy a 5800X+3080 system, which wouldn't be as limited in regards to OS and gaming. I just can't justify buying e-waste that can't be upgraded or fixed myself, since the nearest Apple store is literally hundreds of kilometers away.
pretty amazing considering this is their first series of chips. Intel and AMD have been at it for decades. I hear they are working on the M2 and fusing 4 chips together.
Eventually fusing chips together isn't exciting anymore
It‘s not their first series of chips. They had enough years with the iPad Pro to make better chips every time.
I can see the Mac Studio being a real dust trap, especially where I live. To access the fans for cleaning, you pretty much have to completely disassemble the unit, which is not for the faint of heart. Other than that, it appears to be a well designed and thought out unit.
That soft power cord was pioneered way back in the NeXT days. All the NeXT machines had soft power cords too. So did the original Blue and White G3 from 25 years ago.
The Blue & White (Yosemite) had a translucent power cord that would end up getting a little 'sticky' feeling after 5-10 years of use. It was a bit different and didn't have a fabric wrapping around it like this Studio cord has.
Still, I loved that model G3 since it was the first computer I ever bought brand new. I remember unboxing it and marveling at how easy it was to pop down the side panel.