Who will be the next Tory leader?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The Conservative party is in the process of choosing a new leader. There are four remaining candidates in the race: Kemi Badenoch, Tom Tugendhat, James Cleverly and Robert Jenrick. Each of them join The Spectator’s political editor Katy Balls to set out their vision for the party, for opposition, and the future.
They discuss foreign policy, assisted dying, and give their assessment on why they lost the general election. Who do they think did the best job, from Cameron to Sunak? What’s the most and least conservative policy of the last ten years? And what’s the naughtiest thing they’ve ever done?
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Cleverly said: "the public stopped listening to us". Actually, the Conservative Party stopped listening to the public. Cleverly is part of the problem.
Indeed, everything James says is Cleverly said.
How did they stop listening? What in particular did they not listen to you about? I am genuinely interested to know.
Tom got very dark at the end 😂
Tom: “I invaded a country once” hahahah
only reform
VOTE REFORM
Kemi Badenoch is the only impressive candidate. So the Tories will probably elect one of the other three
too bloody true
IMO if they choose her they may get back in. If not, they'll be like the old Liberal party eclipsed by Reform and FPTP will make Ed Davey the new Leader of the Opposition
If she makes it to the final two I think she will win as the party members like her.
She talks a good game but talk is cheap she is not the solution
@@typicalsomeone5073 Who is? IMO best chance we've got
Kemi is the only interesting candidate and she's probably still a bit young.
@@John-kj7tv She's in her mid-forties
@@samuelturner1668 Looks good for her age.
Also an anchorbaby
she's like 60
Nonsense, she is older than Cameron was when he was elected leader. And she has held multiple senior Secretary of State positions in government. She more than qualified and easily ‘old’ enough. Which is a ridiculous metric anyway. We need younger talented people in govt anyway.
There isn't one left worthy of my vote. A former member of the Tories never again.
Maybe Reform in future but keeping my powder dry.
Who cares?
Beat me to it! That was the only reason I clicked on this.
My exact first thought!
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Ditto. Who gives AF
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Kemi is a tough and clever lady. She would make mincemeat of Starmer.
Maybe but I do not trust her regarding immigration
urgh I can't imagine stamer bolognaise
She would just try to shout him down in the Commons. That's not good debate.
@@macfaichen2658agreed
But she has a bizarre (and deeply suspect) attachment to the ECHR and other Blair-ite “social” policies.
Could we please have questions and more importantly clear answers on what the British people are most concerned about… immigration, the boats and deportations… plus the promotion of British values and culture..! PLEASE
No. No racism thank you.
I have heard however that Bulgaria is very heavily underpopulated. You could always emigrate out there as you are probably an immigrant in the past anyway.
I don't care - the Tories are finished as a political force. They aren't going to actually solve the real problems that this country faces - indeed, they caused a lot of them.
It's like the Nurenbourg trials. 'We lost the trust of the German people.' You should have confessed earlier and all resigned.
Two of their "top" people did effectively resign- but it was far too late by then...
As for the Tories, imagine 7-8 years of what Starmer and co. have just tried to get away with...
Who cares? Are they still relevant? Compare what they are reflecting on now with how they reflected back in 97 etc then tell me what they really learnt.
That’s is it? Gawd, the country’s sunk.
I live in Malaysia. I am a Muslim. I am an atheist. I depend entirely on anonymity. I try not to be rude in what I say. If you insist on banning me because you don't like what I say, then OK, but for goodness sake, don't dox me. To make me fully identified means I can not say true things about Islam and its negative effects upon my life and the life of my family. Perhaps that is desired by Tom Tugenhat as Islam is the religion that must not be criticised in the UK. Tom Tugenhat doesn't get that free speech is the bedrock upon which all other freedoms are built. It is the most precious freedom, he doesn't seem to care for it.
@@williamvorkosigan5151 how does removing anonymity curtail free speech? What credibility is there in speech that has no identified author?
@@surpriserakins9067 When the removal of anonymity can lead to murder or incarceration? Are you for real? Did you not read what he just wrote?
@@jatrius you haven't answered any of my questions. There is no probative value in anonymous speech.
@@surpriserakins9067 There is no value in death if that's what it takes to appease your ethical approach. Your 'argument' is the same as that of Freisler or Vyshinsky and is of equal worth as their conception of justice and truth.
@@jatrius I disagree. You can choose not to speak if you think death will be the consequence. There was a world before social media and many have died for their principles.
Robert spoke well
Kemi is the only one who cares about freedom of speech
All deceptive bluster. The Tories talked a tough game, several times over, proceeded to go back on everything. Why trust them now?
The more important question is whether there will even be a Tory party after the next election and who will be leading it because I would make a very large bet it will be none of the above
Jenrick is the best candidate.
None of these candidates will be PM. Especially Badenoch & Jenrick. Best hope for the Tories is to skip a generation, as they did with Cameron. Choosing a poor performer from a poor government won't work.
James Cleverly told Spectator that his roots are in Braintree.
James' IQ must be 200
Was Tom Tugendhat in the army? He never mentioned it. A bit like Sadik Khan never mentioning what his father did for a living.
A woman, then a man, then a woman, then a man, then a woman;
so it seems to be easy to bet
that the excellent, trans like foreign woman will be the next tory leader.
Will be great for Reform UK.
I want Tom or James to win because I want the Conservative party eradicated. (Though James' belated skepticism of lockdown is noted... he fully supported it at the time, of course.) Tom's apparent support for an end to online anonymity is highly disturbing.
It's getting tiring seeing James "India is the future" Cleverly pretend he didn't support the Tories record immigration and that he wouldn't juice it up even higher. Shame none of these "Conservatives" think the UK should be the future.
The Torys and Liebour are done
Why is James Cleverly even a member of the Conservative Party?
How about stopping the ruddy boats, Are any of you listening? Thought not.
Does not mater really 😢
Who will be the new Labour leader when this robot is pushed.
Like comment if you prefer Reform to Conservatives
Patriotic Chancers over Self serving Traitors?
Of course.
Does mummy know you’re on her phone again looking for likes.
they all have as much character as a sock dare I say….
Not a Brit to be seen
Kemi would struggle to win a majority, too inflammatory for floating voters and too inauthentic for Reform voters
...and thank goodness for that!
God help us
Like comment if you want Badenoch
I want her deported.
She (& like minded MPs) need to get together with Reform.
lol I like your polls
@@diogenesagogo Not right wing enough
Badenoch basically verbatim plagiarising Tony Blair
She knows that a women does not have a penis.
Sure like when she references conservative thinkers like sowell and scruton…. She is nothing like Blair
Silver bullet: The limitation of visas to only those who will benefit the country in a significant way and remove the incentives to come here for freeloaders.
It's already too late, the damage is done and the consequences will play out over the forthcoming decades.
No chance. The Conservatives are the party of record immigration.
They all lied to get into power in the last government by pretending to be centre-left, and then governed far-left. It's what the modern Tory party does.
At least James Cleverly was being honest with what Tories truly think when he tweeted "India is the future". None of these people think the British or the UK are the future. It's just an economic zone to be ransacked with a defacto open borders. It's the Tory way.
Torres are toxic end of.
Reform OK
*UK
As you can't spell it would appear, you would be in fine company with most mouth foaming Reform voters.
If Kemi doesn’t win I’m returning my membership card.
Is she really the cream of the crop? God help us if she is!
I'll sill never vote for them again after allowing 4 million migrants in one parliament but Jenrick is head and shoulders above the rest. Actually sounds right wing.
Since he decided 12 months ago to be the right wing candidate in the coming leadership contest and had to totally reinvent himself as such.
Jenrick just looks and sounds like a cliched 'Tory Boy'. Badenoch is the only one who stands a chance appealing to the public outside of the party and tough enough to make mincemeat of Starmer.
He is the best candidate by a mile
Everyone is wrong, wrong, wrong, except Kemi...and therein lies the problem!
So it has to be Kemi. Jenrick and Tommy T both wet on Elon and what he has done for free conservative speech on X. The fact they seem unaware or uninterested tells me all I need to know about their political position. The Q from Katy about naughtiness was unoriginal and trivial. So no I won't be resubscribing to this magazine.
Kemi pls
I don't think the Tory candidates are any good, lack lustre, humdrum dead boring.
I hope at the next election the Tories and Labour are both spent cartridges.
They have been part of the them or us boring menu of politics and the blame is on the first past the post system and the electorate for not thinking outside the square.
Like comment if you want Cleverly
Very inappropriate to lightheartedly joke about going to war.
It's a difficult question. Not a black or white issue.
They’re all crap so not much between them
Kemi should be leader. Time for change
Everyone is wrong, wrong, wrong, except Kemi...and therein lies the problem.
Like comment if you want Jenrick
Who cares?
Not Olufemi. No way
Leaving the ECHR is an easy answer with one big problem, the Good Friday agreement. No countries are happy with the current migration framework of the ECHR. Reforming the ECHR would be very tricky, and take years, but it's the most likely route to success. Derogations in the end are a bit of a red herring.
The Oirish should beg to rejoin the UK, making the GFA irrelevant.
The ECHR and the Supreme Court (both Blair policies) are in direct opposition to the 1689 Bill of Rights, which guarantees the Sovereignty of Parliament, therefore the Sovereignty of the People. Both need to go.
First
Like comment if you want Tugendhat
lol