Top Gun pilot Capt Dale “Snort” Snodgrass story about pulling 9 10g to avoid SAM
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- Top Gun pilot Capt Dale “Snort” Snodgrass story about pulling 9 10g to avoid SAM missile during a war mission in the Gulf. The F14 was with two fuel tanks and six missile, an important load in terms of weight.
'Snort' is the man. He is one of the most gifted pilots ever and his airshow demos are a good proof. 550+ knots, wings swept back, 100 feet over the runway, quick right roll, followed by the nose whipping around 180 degree left in less than 5 seconds pulling 10 - 11G with huge vapes. He was really something else.
I agree I got to see him demo at Andrew's joint base airshow a few years ago
He was an extremely good pilot. I was in VF 142 and was his plane captain several times. Will say he flew well but overstressed and beat up every plane he got into
@@chrisseman5797 by Navy natops Standards or by Grumman/mechanical Standards?
@@starga-fr7qx Must be NATOPS since I have heard maintenance inspection guys saying it did not even pop a rivet at 9.5g and inspection was a formality. Although, 10+ G might be causing some stress on turn buckles etc.
@@2ZZGE100 Hoser Satrapa yanked 12 G on a new Block 90 and it was fine, nothing buckled engine maints ok, zero hydraulic leaks, the RIO wasn't his neck was busted..
confirmed by HawkSmith who was flying agressor in F5 and was bout to gun him when Hoser yanked and dissappeared in a cloud of vapes (over dry desert)
I watched one video where an F-14B pilot's screen showed 10.5 Gs and I was told that the F-14D could do 12 G's EASILY. The 14 was a BEAST.
If that's true that is extreme over-g for the airframe. The limit imposed by the Navy was 6.5 Gs. That wasn't an engineering limit, but the Navy imposed it for good reason. Never a good idea to purposely break the aircraft while flying it. I saw another former F-14 pilot asked about G limits for the Tomcat with regard specifically to Snodgrass's stories, and he pretty sternly said that yeah, Snodgrass had a reputation for doing it and damaging aircraft and that the Tomcat community didn't respect him for it. The rumour supposedly is that he over-G'd on his final flight and essentially destroyed the airframe. These were expensive jets! Really a needless waste of tens of millions of dollars for wreck one for no reason. I think Snort is a legend. But, sometimes even a legend can take it too far.
@@e.l.norton But don't you agree that not in this particular case? If you have a missile coming in fast, I'd argue that trying to nurse the plane out of the encounter has much better chances of getting the "airframe damage" than pulling "9 to 10 Gs" to escape the stick.
Same goes for the dogfights. One thing if you are playing with a Hornet because of a "bet at a bar", the other is if you see you are starting to lose a dogfight against the adversary hellbent on seeing you go down in flames and pieces (which by the way doesn't mean AT ALL you are getting out if it alive even if you eject properly).
@@e.l.norton ruclips.net/video/rQsLnmfeI1E/видео.html
Navy had a bunch of practical reasons to rate it lower than what it was designed to do. This matches up with Shoes Mullen saying not a rivet out of place and he thought it could do 9G routinely without any issues.
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@@CastroGary Of course overstessing an aircraft with high G Numbers is going to have effects on the airframe long term.
However having said this there's no doubt that Grumman overbuilt the Tomcat and the airframes were very strong.
I think the 6.5G limit had A LOT to do with the analog nature of the aircraft. The AWG 9 was big and heavy and i wouldn't be surprised if prolonged overstessing G turns would jam the radar antenna.
Other problem was that the wing sweeping mechanism could be jammed too, although this was rare. I have no doubt that US Navy was very conservative with the 6.5G limit.
When the F-14D was introduced most of the old analog avionics were replaced by digital systems, most F-14D's were new airframes too. I'm not sure but i think the G limits were raised to something like 7.5G.
I remember reading something from a former Grumman engineer that if the Super Tomcat 21 had been built, the stuff that they planned for it would make it the most manouverable US Fighter. Proper manouvering flaps and LERX's, as well other enhancements would massively improve the the turning capabilities. The F-14 already turns very tight, but with manouvering flaps and LERX'S it would be even better. It would have the new -129 or -132 GE engines which would make the F-14 T/W go well into the positive. Thrust vectoring nozzles were to be considered too. These would also make the F-14 the prime US Fighter in one circle turns.
@@e.l.norton I thought the 6.5G limit imposed by the navy was to avoid disconnect of munitions from their hardpoints?
RIP Snort. Thank you for all the great memories. You are a legend.
Here for the absolute legend this man was. America won’t be the same without him.
RIP
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@@grahamjordan1040 He passed away in his Marchetti crash. He forgot a small step in pre-flight and the lock ended up causing him to pitch up, stall and then crash. R.I.P Dale 'Snort' Snodgrass.
Captain Snodgrass is in heaven hanging out with Chuck Yeager and Dick Bong swapping flight stories.
Stevie Ray Vaughn & Eddie Halen, as well.
This legend just passed. Might be pilot error. The lesson: even the best can overlook simple things that can prove to be fatal… Rest In Peace.
Yes it was. A very minor error in pre-flight.
@Kyle Broussard You did not get it. He passed away in his Marchetti when he forgot to remove a lock in pre-flight. His plane pitched up stalled and came nose down. He is making a comment that he survived such crazy and dangerous scenarios including his over the edge of the envelope demos in the F-14 only to pass away due to a small error. R.I.P Dale 'Snort' Snodgrass
@Kyle Broussard Yeah, I had seen the ATC video. Also, seen the full investigation report. The summary of which I wrote above. He forgot to remove a lock that was near the rudder pedals.
No matter how good you are sticking to the discipline of going through your checklist is paramount.
@@90whatever Lessons learned. FACT
RIP to a- no THE tomcat legend
RIP Dale. When they talk about the "Right Stuff" and what America used to be, this what they are Talking About !!!
A barrel roll equals the right stuff if you are over a foreign nation.
Hello Dale is not American. Saludos
_"what_ _America_ _used_ _to_ _be"_
Ah yes, the good old days, of murdering children and other innocent civilians.
🤦♂️🤯🤮 When USA used to be war criminals and mass murders. You must be so delusional and proud! Burning babies by napalm.
@@beardymcbeardface69 Planned Parenthood has killed way more
It's hard to believe that he lives through all of this only to come to an end in the most unexpected way. Life is truly a ticking time bomb! When never know when our time is coming! My father died at home in bed next to my mom. How much safer one could be? Sadly, his heart just gave out through the night. So, nowhere is truly safe! Nowhere!
He died unfortunately recently due to a small error in pre-flight check. Forgot to remove a lock from his Marchetti (small prop plane) and the plane pitched up, stalled and then came straight down. He died upon crash. The irony is just unreal
I remember that night clearly. I was VF-33 power plants night shift supervisor. I was in maintenance control discussing the issue with the maintenance chief, Snort was pissed when he came down from the flight deck. "Get that damn plane fixed" he says. Then he went straight into the ready room. The only response that could be given at the time was yes sir! I believe we had to replace the main fuel control on that engine.
Just the main fuel control? any other damage from the over g?
No, there wouldn’t have been any damage from “over G”. Gruman designed the airframe to withstand 13g, so 9-10 was not going to bend, stress or break anything outside of ordinance pylons. The aircraft was fine.
@@scrappydude1 On the tomcat you had to write down the accelerometer readings after each flight. On the F-14A model these were located in the left main landing gear wheel well. I am pretty sure the location is the same on the D model. if the numbers changed by a certain amount you had to preform an over g inspection. So did they find anything during the inspection process that night? Someone out there knows. Maybe Randy Barnhill can talk to some of his airframe buddys and get us an answer on that. I was a jet mechanic on tomcats for over 15 years but i do recall it was a lengthy inspection involving NDI of certain compnoments and such forth.
Snorts unbelievable record! Much respect
Sawem practicing in F-14D NAS Oceana , id NEVER seen a Tomcat do 10 split S's in under 5 seconds! AMAZING! RIP Snort! A man for the times....
Seems like a fantastic guy. One of the best I’m sure. RIP Mr. Snodgrass.
I worked with his father, Ruben, I see where he gets his personality from.
Legend, an absolute legend! R.I.P Dale.
I remember watching him do a F-14 Demo at the now closed Willow Grove Nas Pa.
RIP Snort. I'd love to hear your RIO's description of evading a SAM-3...
Why?
@@maxsmith695 I imagine it to be something like, "do some of that fighter pilot s--t and get us outta here!"
In all seriousness because RIO's say interesting stuff.
@@dmutant2635 Every story he tells, he is barely escaping death. You can be a perfect pilot, but if the engine will not start and the plane will not stop sliding on the deck, none of that matters. Then again, Aaron Rodgers has thrown more miracle TD passes than anyone.
RiP. Big bird! God bless you and your family
Top Gun’s mentor and role model.
To a life well lived,
RIP Capt.
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Fair winds sir.
"No preflight needed, I'm too good"
Yep
I don’t think it was arrogance that took him down on his final flight. My gut says it was simple distraction,
Still, if it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone, including those who are eager to judge.
@@oldschoolmotorsickleso true..
I was lucky enough and it was a stone cold honor to have this man as my Department head when I was onboard Theodore Roosevelt... He is true blue and one of the last living war heros
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A National freaking treasure
One thing I haven't seen mentioned on youtube is the engine mounts being damaged by slamming the throttle forward with the GE engines. I can't remember the details any more but I believe they had to implement a limit on how quickly you could jam the throttle forward until they were able to build better engine mounts.
sounds like BS to me.
D model had digital engine management.
Who cares how fast they slam the throttle.. when you control the entire engine power curve via ECU
And the engine mounts are rated for the entire engine. If they somehow had an operating variable that could damage them , they would just upgrade them to match the requirement.
keep in mind this is a Carrier jet, the shocks when it slams on the deck and in the wire are probably WAY more higher impulse then anything the engine can produce.
This was true for the F-101 Voodoo with the J-57's and cold wx operations while using AB. This is why they did many winter T/O in MIL power.
@@stijnvandamme76 wrong. a models were different engine manfucate than b. a model had compressor staalls and change of throttle cuased it
RIP Snort.
Kind of ironic that his accident happens in a single engine, fixed wing aircraft. Life is unpredictable. Capable of flying the most advanced aircraft and he perishes in a small aircraft that he possibly overlooked something in his checklist. May God bless him and his family.
True. A simple little plane, and a simple little error. God bless him.
A lesson for all pilots that even the most experienced can overlook a little thing that is ultimately fatal.
As soon as he said “If you see one burner shoot first and ask questions later”. I did think of, what if someone looses an engine?
To be honest, it sounds like a tall sea story that should have started with "and this is no shit"
The type of man we depend on to defend our nation and way of life. God makes their souls in such a way as to be super quick, super smart, and super fun to listen to.
God makes men like Obama and Biden to lead the nation and keep it safe.
Not one adversary has attacked America since 1791.
@@maxsmith695 what happened to those 2 big buildings in New York city and the Pentagon? Was that an inside job ? The Israelis? Even so, enemies within are still enemies
@@hansmueller3029 - What do you say ?
R.I.P. God bless.
Sorry to hear of his passing.
Saw that “ glow coming out of the undercast” over N Vietnam. Watched 5 of them, but only one was guided. Which one?
RIP Skipper
I can hardly imagine what he could have done in an F-22...
Fair winds and following seas skipper.
3:50 when jester sais do the pilot stuff
What a great leader
Heh…did not know how this ended, but my first thought when he started talking about seeing and shooting at a single burner was, “Ok, probably a good idea……but what if a friendly loses an engine…?” 🤔😁 RIP, Snort.
Gold material maxsin72 !
Naval and Marine aviators the best there are. Rip Snort.
Where can I watch this entire presentation, anyone have the link? Thank you.
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RIP to the best. :(
Was he still on Percocet the morning he crashed?
Marco. polo.
Snort because he lived a life like cocaine without the drugs
The more I learn about this man the more I'm saddened by his tragic passing. God speed Warrior!
Legend
Yeager...Bassais....Bob Hoover.....Mr.Snodgrass....R.i.p. sir
Punch to the gut. RIP Snort. Blue skies.
Rest in the heaven set aside for pilots as ourselves. You will be missed.
Wow that's over a quarter ounce
Rip Sir.
Survived all of this to be killed by a Cessna. Damn.
As per Caitlyn Burchett of The Virginian Pilot on 7-11-2022, writing about the FAA report on this accident. "Contributing to the accident, the report said, was that Snodgrass failed to conduct an adequate preflight inspection and flight control check before takeoff."
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4:37 LMAO
The f14 was such a great plane wish they would have updated it with vector thrust and AESA radar like they planed but $$$ they went with the super hornet instead
Main problem was the aging airframe. They'd have to totally tear those things down and re build them from scratch, it would have genuinley been more expensive to do so than buy entierly new aircraft. Plus the F22 platform I'd say is a little better at just about anything the F14 could do.
The Cats had grown into hangar queens and required excessive maintenance in their final years. Carrier operations take their toll on the flying material.
@@wizzalien7796 f22 is usaf, they would have had to go with a new E model and retired the B and C to keep it flying so they just with with the super hornet
@@mikesmith-wk7vy you're entirely correct there. I suppose it took untill the f/a 18 block 3 and the f35C to truely surpass the F14 in terms of Air to Air capability.
Ask the maintainers how many extra hours they had to work cause Snort over G'd.... The air frame could take 13 g's but the hydraulic system couldn't.
RIP
RIP Dale
Him and Lung are the best of the best of the best. Lung was a kick the tires driver always loved him. Kojak was up and coming ai walked among giants
What's the wire coming from his head?
Been one engine flame out and one in afterburner ,now the enemy don't shoot at his plane hi ,hi hi( because of fratricide )
Tells a lot that after all that, he remembers his call and in this situation not lit one burner
Who makes that plane the Marchetti the he was flying ? Cessna? Boeing? Lockheed?
Sorry Captain, Mk-84s are 2000 lb. I think you meant Mk-83s.
MK81-250 pounds MK82-500 pounds, MK83-1000 pounds. MK84-2000 pounds. Dropped many of these. A6E carried 28 MK82’s
3:20 So DCS is accurate.
Absolutely tragic. As if covid years could not get worse. I hate the fact Snort's most personal moment - the knowledge of his own death, is broadcast via the internet. So wrong for an exceptional human who was in total control in any aircraft up to that point
Fair use= freedom.
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Only hope the F-22 & F-15 is at least a 15 G plane.
Not 15g airplanes. Not in reality. The airframe of the F-22 may be structurally a 15g airframe, but no human can deal with that. The F-15 isn’t up to it either. Grumman designed the F-14 with a 13g structural limit, and there’s really no reason to do more than this. 13g is way beyond what any pilot can handle.
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Thanks. Good to know the plane your flying will hold up before you don't.
Why don't modern manned fighters' autopilots have the capability to fly a few preprogrammed or random evasive maneuvers beyond the pilot's G-LOC point?
Having both aircraft's pilots incapacitated should work to the advantage of the pursued aircraft, since current manned aircraft aren't able to track and follow to perfection.
And, the ability to maneuver more violently when evading SAM's would also be a benefit.
The plane can't handle more G then the pilot can, somebody like Snort, who is trained and used to high G.. he will break the plane before he G locs.. he even mentions "i've overstressed a lot of planes in my career"
@@stijnvandamme76 Thanks for the response. I believe you are correct with regard to previous generation fighters, but I read this:
www.airforcemag.com/article/1091glock/
"...anti-G suit protection, combined with basic human tolerance, is sufficient for about six Gs of maneuvering-not high enough for the F-16. Additional protective measures must be used, and the AGSM can add the necessary tolerance margin needed to fly the F-16".
But even in previous generation fighters, surely the aircraft, using an autopilot computer, could fly closer to the edge for a longer time than a pilot could.
I'm just saying that, until we have pilotless fighters that can take over (if we ever even do), why wouldn't a more sophisticated autopilot be a tool that would enable a pursued pilot to black out both pilots, thus giving the pursued pilot an advantage, or avoid a SAM by allowing the aircraft to accurately fly closer to the aircraft's g capability (without seriously injuring the pilot in the process, of course).
On a related topic, I don't understand why fighter autopilots don't have a prominant "Take Me Home" button that, when pressed by a blinded pilot or a rear-seater if the pilot is incapacitated, simply rolls the aircraft upright, climbs to safe egress altitude, and returns "home" where a safe ejection can be accomplished over friendly territory and nearer to help, and where the ejection can be timed such that the aircraft can't possibly crash into a hospital, school, etc.
I can understand why older non- fly-by-wire fighters wouldn't have this, but why not on modern fighters?
I've asked this question in numerous places on the internet, but the only answer I get is that pilots rarely become incapacitated, which to me makes no sense, because, in these rare cases, the benefits would be huge, and the cost, space, and weight price should be minimal on a fly-by-wire fighter.
@@jerrysmith5782 ejections can be very bad for the pilot, sometimes causing permanent injuries, costing a lot of money and occasionally malfunctions. Just making an unmanned aircraft would probably be easier. Also, as the other guy said, that would overstress the aircraft as well as the pilot.
@@Formula1st Rear flight controls are being phased out, and probably most rear-seaters aren't qualified to land the plane, anyway, especially not onto a carrier. Therefore, if the pilot is incapacitated, even temporarily, an immediate ejection is often the crew's only option, so it's just a matter of when/where to eject, not IF to eject.
As far as stress: As I wrote, newer aircraft are stressed beyond the pilot's blackout threshold, and an autopilot could keep the aircraft on the edge much more accurately than the pilot, even if the pilot was somehow miraculously able to stay 100% functional at the limits of the aircraft for a sustained period.
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SAD FACE. SNORT IS GONE....DANG IT ....SUPER SAD FACE
And in his mind, after getting that burner relit, thinking to himself 'there but for the grace of God, go I' and keeping his mouth shut to his RIO.
You're in the stars now, Sir. RIP
Good god 😶
Dont think it was pilot error but maybe complacency and failed his pre flight checks
Both of which would constitute "pilot error", wouldn't they?
He didn't survive his latest ground strike..
he wont be over stressing aircraft anymore
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Don't forget your control checks before takeoff, Dale.
No kidding!
Stupid comment, perhaps do you know what is really happened? The answer is no, be respectful
@@maxsin1972 The answer is yes. The NTSB report was released and found his control lock was still attached. Had he done control checks he would have immediately discovered it.
No disrespect to this great pilot who tragically lost his life recently, but the “shoot first ask questions later” advice is interesting. Could his squadron have engaged other coalition aircraft by mistake? The French Mirage in Gulf War ‘91 had a single afterburner. We lost our British troops to mistakes made by Warthog pilots incorrectly identifying our tanks as Iraqi.
I don't buy that story really.. Sounds a bit like a nice story to add drama to the event.. But I doubt such a thing was really briefed.
and by my memory the Mirages didn't fly operationally due to IFF problems and risks getting confused with Iraqi Mirages.
They were in theater but not in combat ops.
Killed by complacency in a little G.A. airplane performing the most basic task.
Just a small lapse in judgement ,the slightest lack of respect gives credence to that old pilot saying "you're only as good as your last landing".
@Joel Rausch. We don’t yet know what caused his Marchetti to crash. It may have been a reversed trim tab control on the stick. Don’t blame it on pilot error until the investigation is complete.
@@oliverheaviside2539 pilot error
Possible, he was human after all. But doubtful. Something likely went wrong mechanically with the aircraft. The investigation will reveal the true cause soon enough.
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