@@AntiMasonic93 Ive finished reading comp with time left over while practicing. I learned that starting with the shortest passages and answering the shorter questions first makes it faster and easier.
Very very basic beginners stuff. Still 100% true so far. Best method for success, do hundreds of them! If you were in a sport you'd practice a lot and soon you'd get pretty good. Well this is no different. If you want to shine you gotta polish.
Its kinda funny how many ways I can apply these logic games to every day life.. Planning a party, running errands, paying bills... all sorts of shit. Being able to apply concepts to relative events can really help clarify things!
I know this is 6 years later, but this comment is very true! My philosophy professor said she and her husband used derivations for their wedding seating!
hi there! I just want to say a massive thank you for your videos- they truly are useful and serve as a wonderful guide! Sincerely appreciate your time and generosity in uploading them!
That's another way to do it but it accomplishes exactly the same result but with more pen strokes. Lines take less time and I haven't seen many students run into confusion with them. Keep it simple and consistent. If there's something about the lines that confuses you let me know, I'm happy to talk you through it.
@CadenRolland You're right, it is basic but a good understanding of the basics is very important as a foundation before you move on to more advanced concepts. With respect to repetition, it is definitely important but repetition without understanding and good techniques is much less effective. For the more advanced lessons try our full online LSAT course.
How on earth do you find the time to graph and diagram as well as answer all the questions in 35 minutes? What strategy do you use just to get through the questions if I may ask?
I'm still learning myself, but I've found that practicing how to diagram thoroughly and accurately is worth it time-wise. A good diagram with good notes means you can use it to answer the related 4-5 questions pretty quickly. If it takes me longer than 2 min to finish the initial diagram and feel good about it, I move on to an easier one and come back to it afterwards if I have time.
You learn a set of simple, efficient notations from an LSAT book and practice logic games over and over using those notations until you are quick at diagramming.
Note, this video only covers Sequencing (order, ranking, etc) games with additional hybrid addons such as matching or distribution. It doesn't cover process logic games or unconventional such are round table/spoke wheel logic games. While the concept of identifying entities and placeholders (sketch) is covered and is paramount to solving games in the allotted time. A fair introduction video.
I've been using another LSAT prep book that claimed to be the best out there and its only made made my brain hurt to try to remember all the rules, and I haven't even finished the section on linear, one-to-one relationship games! I feel like the book is trying to teach me advanced calculus, starting from how to add one plus one. If learning to do logic games takes me as long as it did to learn math, I should have started preparing years earlier. Do you know of simpler methods to solve these games, or do most methods require memorizing so many diagraming rules and set ups and inferences etc. If so then maybe I am just not cut out for the LSAT.
+V Penny Of course you're cut out for the LSAT.....if SOMEONE was able to get though the LSAT that you've even personally wondered "how on earth did HE/SHE get into and through law school?" (and remember, that very person had to take the LSAT too) then YOU just keep practicing and do the best that you can. Plus, if one book isn't working for you, find another book (or video) that does a better job breaking down the concept for YOU and keep practicing, even if you only complete 10 questions.
1999myfamily I have as well. So far the best advice that I can give you is: to write up flash cards and use them religiously Write the ones that you don’t understand over and over in a blank notebook until you commit the “law” to memory and you stop making that mistak, (this is called “Rote” memorization and it’s been scientifically proven to work) Lastly change your attitude about the test. If you want to rock it you have to approach it like a game and not like your life depends on it because the stress will psych you out. Instead, take it as a puzzle game and try to understand WHY you made the mistake. Those have been the most important things that have worked, and still are working, for me
Stevo-Fernando it's clearly not doing what the lsac wants it to do, since everyone uses this type of strategy rather than trying to use the analytical techniques they're trying to test. If they made them easier and increased the number of questions so it was both possible to do them in your head and advantageous.
They abolished it in name only! It's now call analytical reasoning! SMH!!! I'm taking it again for a higher score! I hate this test! I'm all ready in the legal field as a Paralegal and this test separates me from my ultimate goal...law school
I had one problem that had 3 groups, the first and third having 2 places, the second having three. I arranged my diagram as such: 1 2 3 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Blank lines, just like he said :D So he wasnt necessarily saying to put everything in a linear order, but rather to use lines as the places to mark your characters.
@@TrreeHuggers holy crap - 8 years ago!! Unbelievable. Honestly, I got fed up jumping through these bullshit hoops. I actually never ended up going to law school and instead ended up in a tech company working with some cutting edge stuff. It's remarkable to bring myself back to this era mentally and how much anxiety I had. To anyone who doesn't make it, don't worry, you will find your calling! This feels like life and death at the time but it's unreal how naive i was to think that. Now, lawyers consult us for assistance and I work across them at the table very often. Such a weird but positive turn of events :)
Steinger, Iscoe & Greene actually it is something you can use and memorizing it is totally possible as well as totally fine. Logic doesn’t just come out and bite you in the butt and it certainly isn’t something you’re born with, logic is a construct that we as humans use to rationalize an predict an outcome, at least in this case that is. So do not worry about law school....do well on the test first, and for gods sake don’t listen to people who say you’re going to have a bad time, there’s so many people in law school who are all in the same boat that in all honesty everyone is having a hard time. Lastly, teachers are there for a reason and will often help you because they want you to succeed, not flunk out.
i don't understand the source confusion. They are all place holders. A box place holder vs a line place holder only differs by lines. I suppose all lines might cause mistakes only if you mistake one row for another. I suppose using separate symbols like boxes for one row, lines for another is a pokayoke (accidental error prevention) tactic, but it's all really a big matrix, (or multiple rows of various slots). Right? I guess it's similar to using ABCD instead of 1234, because #1 might be 3rd.
@KittySnicker check out our video on Logic Games Score Improvement Drill, it might help with your games if you still need it. sorry about the late reply some how I missed these comments.
Hi Alpha Score, I'm not sure how to solve my problem but here's my issue. As a small business owner I have prided myself on being the guy in every group who thinks outside the box and finds solutions that no one else may have thought of; I tend to think about problems in very unorthodox ways. Having based my identity around thinking like this, I have real issues when it comes to thinking inside the box, specifically with a test like the LSAT, a test that only rewards thinking inside the box. How can I go about learning to think more inside the box?
You seem to be like my buddy. I'd suggest just keep watching these videos, keep taking practice tests, and stay focused on the task at hand. I wish I could give hou more, but this is working
This is a "too easy" game. I scored a 175, and it's funny how the logic is really about focus. 1 variable is almost the same as 3 variables. But like it is shown, focus shrinks as variables increase.
I get confused immediately when he went from 6 spaces to 5. How did the clown totals go from 1st - 6th to 1st - 5th???? That's why logic games are so confusing, there's no consistency.
Michael Jordan.. I know this is 5 years too late but there were six clowns but five different types of acts. Which means that one of the clowns either didn't perform or did one of the acts twice...
If you aren't already analytic/logical enough to mentally organize simple ideas into a coherent structure you may be able to memorize your way through the LSAT with a lot of practice but you're going to have a really hard time in law school!
great video but the LSAT creators logic behind the logic games is ridiculous ....no way do these games test "complex and structural relationships" that will occur in legal cases....its a puzzle game made to flex your brain muscles but you don't have any real skill here that you will be applying to real legal issues that involve complex laws and statues and etc they need to find a better way to test analytical reasoning
Wow that was horrible. Ten minutes for a guy to tell me to make lines and write entity names as abbreviations as opposed to discussing any rules or even game types. Terrible!
1:56 "We'll die right in", you said it buddy
The tone of his voice nails it
This guy managed to explain two weeks of another lsat course in 11 minutes, thank you!
Jokes on you, the hardest section of the test for me is all of them.
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Reading Comp is the hardest. There is no way to finish this section in 35 minutes.
@@AntiMasonic93 might sound lame, but as long as you say “there’s no way”, there won’t be a way. Change your mindset and there will
@@RedBloodAssassin I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me
@@AntiMasonic93 Ive finished reading comp with time left over while practicing. I learned that starting with the shortest passages and answering the shorter questions first makes it faster and easier.
"Egbert" was really the first "E" name to come to mind...?
😁
Mine would’ve been “Eugenia”
Beautiful name. 🙃
Very very basic beginners stuff. Still 100% true so far.
Best method for success, do hundreds of them! If you were in a sport you'd practice a lot and soon you'd get pretty good. Well this is no different. If you want to shine you gotta polish.
score?
Its kinda funny how many ways I can apply these logic games to every day life.. Planning a party, running errands, paying bills... all sorts of shit. Being able to apply concepts to relative events can really help clarify things!
I know this is 6 years later, but this comment is very true! My philosophy professor said she and her husband used derivations for their wedding seating!
hi there! I just want to say a massive thank you for your videos- they truly are useful and serve as a wonderful guide! Sincerely appreciate your time and generosity in uploading them!
This is very helpful to me because I am a visual thinker and if I can visualize it and record the criteria I can see what I need to do.
Him “your entities are persons, places and things”.
Me: “um, so they’re nouns?” 😂
That's another way to do it but it accomplishes exactly the same result but with more pen strokes. Lines take less time and I haven't seen many students run into confusion with them. Keep it simple and consistent. If there's something about the lines that confuses you let me know, I'm happy to talk you through it.
@CadenRolland You're right, it is basic but a good understanding of the basics is very important as a foundation before you move on to more advanced concepts.
With respect to repetition, it is definitely important but repetition without understanding and good techniques is much less effective.
For the more advanced lessons try our full online LSAT course.
How on earth do you find the time to graph and diagram as well as answer all the questions in 35 minutes? What strategy do you use just to get through the questions if I may ask?
I'm still learning myself, but I've found that practicing how to diagram thoroughly and accurately is worth it time-wise. A good diagram with good notes means you can use it to answer the related 4-5 questions pretty quickly. If it takes me longer than 2 min to finish the initial diagram and feel good about it, I move on to an easier one and come back to it afterwards if I have time.
You learn a set of simple, efficient notations from an LSAT book and practice logic games over and over using those notations until you are quick at diagramming.
@@teasp00ns awesome, you in law school currently after going at these this test?
Note, this video only covers Sequencing (order, ranking, etc) games with additional hybrid addons such as matching or distribution. It doesn't cover process logic games or unconventional such are round table/spoke wheel logic games. While the concept of identifying entities and placeholders (sketch) is covered and is paramount to solving games in the allotted time. A fair introduction video.
I've been using another LSAT prep book that claimed to be the best out there and its only made made my brain hurt to try to remember all the rules, and I haven't even finished the section on linear, one-to-one relationship games! I feel like the book is trying to teach me advanced calculus, starting from how to add one plus one. If learning to do logic games takes me as long as it did to learn math, I should have started preparing years earlier. Do you know of simpler methods to solve these games, or do most methods require memorizing so many diagraming rules and set ups and inferences etc. If so then maybe I am just not cut out for the LSAT.
+V Penny Of course you're cut out for the LSAT.....if SOMEONE was able to get though the LSAT that you've even personally wondered "how on earth did HE/SHE get into and through law school?" (and remember, that very person had to take the LSAT too) then YOU just keep practicing and do the best that you can. Plus, if one book isn't working for you, find another book (or video) that does a better job breaking down the concept for YOU and keep practicing, even if you only complete 10 questions.
V Penny I’m just now starting out and I’m studying for years on it so I can get a good score on the LSAT.
1999myfamily I have as well. So far the best advice that I can give you is:
to write up flash cards and use them religiously
Write the ones that you don’t understand over and over in a blank notebook until you commit the “law” to memory and you stop making that mistak, (this is called “Rote” memorization and it’s been scientifically proven to work)
Lastly change your attitude about the test. If you want to rock it you have to approach it like a game and not like your life depends on it because the stress will psych you out. Instead, take it as a puzzle game and try to understand WHY you made the mistake.
Those have been the most important things that have worked, and still are working, for me
i wish he would've ran us through a practice question =(. i was really looking forward to it .
These fucking questions are fucking me over...I am amazing at the analytical questions
This section of the exam should be abolished!
Stevo-Fernando it's clearly not doing what the lsac wants it to do, since everyone uses this type of strategy rather than trying to use the analytical techniques they're trying to test. If they made them easier and increased the number of questions so it was both possible to do them in your head and advantageous.
But, aren't you supposed to have a high IQ?
Ikr, i dont know why we need to know this junk
They abolished it in name only! It's now call analytical reasoning! SMH!!! I'm taking it again for a higher score! I hate this test! I'm all ready in the legal field as a Paralegal and this test separates me from my ultimate goal...law school
@@CrustofCreation 🤣 my mentor told me this test isn't going to make me a good lawyer! I have test anxiety and it's my speed
I had one problem that had 3 groups, the first and third having 2 places, the second having three. I arranged my diagram as such:
1 2 3
_ _ _
_ _ _
_
Blank lines, just like he said :D So he wasnt necessarily saying to put everything in a linear order, but rather to use lines as the places to mark your characters.
I love your approach and clarity, thanks. I'm writing the February 11th LSAT -- nervous as hell :)
lmaooo yoooo 8 years ago - how was law school?
Bethany Testerman 😂😂😂😂
@@TrreeHuggers holy crap - 8 years ago!! Unbelievable. Honestly, I got fed up jumping through these bullshit hoops.
I actually never ended up going to law school and instead ended up in a tech company working with some cutting edge stuff. It's remarkable to bring myself back to this era mentally and how much anxiety I had.
To anyone who doesn't make it, don't worry, you will find your calling! This feels like life and death at the time but it's unreal how naive i was to think that. Now, lawyers consult us for assistance and I work across them at the table very often. Such a weird but positive turn of events :)
@@TranceSFX did you get A bad school?
@@JimyOfficial Nah had a few good offers eventually, but by that time I was pretty irritated and said fuck this haha.
Logic isn't something you can memorize upon, but one can expect to have greater strides in answering these after applying these games.
Steinger, Iscoe & Greene actually it is something you can use and memorizing it is totally possible as well as totally fine. Logic doesn’t just come out and bite you in the butt and it certainly isn’t something you’re born with, logic is a construct that we as humans use to rationalize an predict an outcome, at least in this case that is.
So do not worry about law school....do well on the test first, and for gods sake don’t listen to people who say you’re going to have a bad time, there’s so many people in law school who are all in the same boat that in all honesty everyone is having a hard time.
Lastly, teachers are there for a reason and will often help you because they want you to succeed, not flunk out.
@iamchevyman5 Yes I am Canadian. Notice an accent? And before you ask, yes we take the exact same LSAT as the US.
Exactly. It is something that someone develops over time, it can't be learned overnight.
LOL cracking up about the comments about his appearance. Get in the zone guys!!
EXCELLENT advice...👍
HANGMAN...🤡
Thank you for the tips.
i don't understand the source confusion. They are all place holders. A box place holder vs a line place holder only differs by lines.
I suppose all lines might cause mistakes only if you mistake one row for another. I suppose using separate symbols like boxes for one row, lines for another is a pokayoke (accidental error prevention) tactic, but it's all really a big matrix, (or multiple rows of various slots). Right?
I guess it's similar to using ABCD instead of 1234, because #1 might be 3rd.
video starts at @3:39
Thanks buddy.
This was super helpful, thank you :)
@KittySnicker check out our video on Logic Games Score Improvement Drill, it might help with your games if you still need it.
sorry about the late reply some how I missed these comments.
are you Canadian?
The difference between the two nuances of numbers led some cultures to develop two sets of names for numbers.
Cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers.
Hi Alpha Score,
I'm not sure how to solve my problem but here's my issue. As a small business owner I have prided myself on being the guy in every group who thinks outside the box and finds solutions that no one else may have thought of; I tend to think about problems in very unorthodox ways. Having based my identity around thinking like this, I have real issues when it comes to thinking inside the box, specifically with a test like the LSAT, a test that only rewards thinking inside the box. How can I go about learning to think more inside the box?
You seem to be like my buddy. I'd suggest just keep watching these videos, keep taking practice tests, and stay focused on the task at hand. I wish I could give hou more, but this is working
Isn’t frequency is basically the rules ?
Great video! thank you :)
This is a "too easy" game. I scored a 175, and it's funny how the logic is really about focus. 1 variable is almost the same as 3 variables. But like it is shown, focus shrinks as variables increase.
Ferdinand. C. Fernanddi Sthilaire how did you study?
Damn! You must be at Yale or Harvard now
yeah right you got a 175, lmao..
@@kevinlogue1682 What did you score on the real or practice exams Kevin?
@@CrustofCreation he ain't sleeping with ya, little boah
thanks dude. this is great.
very helpful. thanks!
this is a great video
don't do two/three lines, do a box like little rooms on top of each other, much easier two lines gets confusing. Lines only for 1 line ones
you can lsat my logic game.
live love egbert
good stuff :)
“Egbert”
Anyone have the answers to the question he showed?
@IchWerdeSterben111 Why thank you!
I hate these games. I can never get through one game in the allotted 8 minutes and 45 seconds!
I couldn't agree more, hahaha.
I get confused immediately when he went from 6 spaces to 5. How did the clown totals go from 1st - 6th to 1st - 5th???? That's why logic games are so confusing, there's no consistency.
Michael Jordan.. I know this is 5 years too late but there were six clowns but five different types of acts. Which means that one of the clowns either didn't perform or did one of the acts twice...
@virdisundeep Sorry to be a distraction ;-)
4:57 Clown Fiesta.
Egbert > edward
If you aren't already analytic/logical enough to mentally organize simple ideas into a coherent structure you may be able to memorize your way through the LSAT with a lot of practice but you're going to have a really hard time in law school!
Im still lost:(
AdamCarl7 I’m guessing not
this is just a guy reading what a book would tell you
great video but the LSAT creators logic behind the logic games is ridiculous ....no way do these games test "complex and structural relationships" that will occur in legal cases....its a puzzle game made to flex your brain muscles but you don't have any real skill here that you will be applying to real legal issues that involve complex laws and statues and etc they need to find a better way to test analytical reasoning
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k that didnt work, the last line should be under the 2... but you get the idea lol
it bothers me he doesnt like stright into the camera
Tf lol 😂
Wow that was horrible. Ten minutes for a guy to tell me to make lines and write entity names as abbreviations as opposed to discussing any rules or even game types. Terrible!
The guy in the video is SO HOT... He is distracting me from learning the LSAT!!!
very poor systems analysis